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| 14:53.28 | herlo | I understand there is a Wing place up in Ogden / Layton area. Anyone ever been to a good wing place up there?? |
| 15:14.21 | macnewbold | w00t |
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| 20:14.51 | carmony | fungus: there was a problem with the "back panel" so the HDD wouldn't connect |
| 20:14.53 | carmony | its fixed now |
| 20:17.04 | fungus | backplane? you are on real hardware? not a vps? interesting. |
| 20:20.53 | carmony | yeah, this is a physical server |
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| 20:52.31 | carmony | herlo: you'd be proud, I just partitioned a new disk and mounted it all on my own |
| 20:53.35 | herlo | carmony: awesome |
| 20:53.50 | carmony | herlo: I had to look at my notes from when you first showed me |
| 20:53.54 | carmony | but it worked just fine :) |
| 20:53.59 | herlo | :) |
| 20:54.04 | herlo | glad you got it :) |
| 20:54.10 | mindjuju | ~beavis carmony mount |
| 20:54.11 | ibot | <beavis>carmony said mount</beavis> |
| 20:54.11 | TuxToaster | hehe |
| 20:54.44 | TuxToaster | I miss running physical boxes |
| 20:54.46 | herlo | mindjuju: ping |
| 20:54.55 | mindjuju | whut |
| 20:54.58 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:55.03 | herlo | oy |
| 20:55.09 | herlo | mindjuju: we have VOIP!! |
| 20:55.10 | TuxToaster | VMs are nice, but it's also just so nice knowing your app has full use of a good, beefy box. |
| 20:55.11 | carmony | lol |
| 20:55.18 | mindjuju | that's awesome! |
| 20:55.28 | herlo | mindjuju: I would like to have you test your connection today |
| 20:55.36 | herlo | interestededdededededed? |
| 20:55.55 | mindjuju | what was the name of the app for linux that i should use to use it |
| 20:56.04 | herlo | twinkle or ekiga |
| 20:56.06 | mindjuju | i'll grab my laptop from the car and install it supa quick |
| 20:56.15 | herlo | twinkle is KDE, Ekiga is GNOME |
| 20:56.20 | herlo | I use Twinkle myself... |
| 20:56.40 | mgeary | ~tmi herlo |
| 20:56.55 | mgeary | what you do in the privacy of your own home is no one's business, herlo |
| 20:57.05 | carmony | lol |
| 20:57.10 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 20:57.17 | TuxToaster | I miss the Twinkle client. |
| 20:57.41 | herlo | mgeary: haha |
| 20:57.51 | TuxToaster | I used it although I avoided KDE itself |
| 21:01.31 | fungus | I surely don't miss physical boxes at all. They are terrible, expensive, and difficult. |
| 21:02.04 | TuxToaster | true. |
| 21:02.20 | TuxToaster | but VMs can introduce their own issues at times. :-) |
| 21:02.42 | TuxToaster | helps if the person managing them knows what they are doing. |
| 21:04.14 | fungus | The very minor performance impact of VMs are grossly offset by the cost and administrative overhead savings. |
| 21:05.27 | fungus | Not only do I rarely ever visit my server room any more, but my flexibility has increased by leaps and bounds. |
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| 21:12.41 | DexterTheDragon | fungus is mostly just rabid |
| 21:13.55 | fungus | hehe, that too |
| 21:25.06 | TuxToaster | yeah the problem the last place I worked had was they didn't take things into consideration |
| 21:25.22 | TuxToaster | like putting a VM with a database server on a shared machine that had a lot of disk access |
| 21:26.13 | TuxToaster | then they had to scramble to come up with a solution for it when most of the applications were unavailable because of a bunch of hung queries |
| 21:31.55 | TuxToaster | heh. Had a contact tell one of our clients that it would be "difficult or even impossible" to automate the spreadsheet I was working on. |
| 21:36.56 | fungus | TuxToaster, agreed Storage is the next new frontier of IT |
| 21:37.27 | fungus | It's kind of painful, but some new technologies are really cool. |
| 21:38.06 | fungus | 10GE, ZFS, high performance NFS, Netapp, EMC, Cisco etc. |
| 21:39.50 | TuxToaster | yeah, it's amazing really. Wish I was more involved in it now. |
| 21:40.29 | TuxToaster | we had a few different solutions there, although my building unfortunately got hand-me-downs and leftovers whiile the main NOC got the rest of the good stuff. |
| 21:40.54 | fungus | ah, bummer. that happens a lot. |
| 21:41.07 | TuxToaster | such as a 700 series (?) NetApp filer that took up a full rack, but had frequently failing drives. |
| 21:42.02 | TuxToaster | the amazing part was that with the entire rack of drives, we could only get an effective 1.1 TB out of the thing, and it had to be split into chunks. |
| 21:42.17 | fungus | ouch |
| 21:42.36 | TuxToaster | yet we had a little networked NAS, no bigger than a desktop PC, that could do 3TB and supported RAID 10 |
| 21:42.52 | TuxToaster | it really made the NetApp look like a big toy. |
| 21:43.19 | fungus | There's a giant IBM system in my server room. 2 racks wide, about 100 disks. |
| 21:43.24 | fungus | sad part... only 3TB |
| 21:43.43 | TuxToaster | the best part was one morning when I went in to work, walked past the row of cabinets the NetApp was on, and stopped. ... |
| 21:43.48 | TuxToaster | I could hear a high pitched whine. |
| 21:44.03 | fungus | Now I have a Sun X4500 4U server that has 16TB usable. |
| 21:44.03 | TuxToaster | turned out one of the drives was making engravings on the platters. |
| 21:44.12 | fungus | ouch |
| 21:44.36 | TuxToaster | it's REALLY sad that I could hear that, given the fact that I only have partial hearing and the HVAC is not quiet. |
| 21:44.37 | TuxToaster | hehe |
| 21:44.56 | fungus | good thing it's a netapp though. with their RAID-DP you can afford to lose 2 drives per raid group. |
| 21:45.17 | TuxToaster | yup. It did have some cool stuff. |
| 21:45.26 | TuxToaster | for what I could figure out. |
| 21:45.47 | fungus | yeah, I really like Netapp. |
| 21:46.05 | TuxToaster | first time I had worked with one, and we had pretty limited info. I started working with ISCSI on it and mounting up shares for stuff. |
| 21:46.27 | TuxToaster | didn't trust it for anything of major importance due to the bad disks though, so it made a good place to dump log archives to. |
| 21:46.39 | fungus | good idea |
| 21:46.48 | TuxToaster | T |
| 21:47.07 | TuxToaster | we also had a rack we affectionately called Barney. Big purple beast with yellow LEDs. |
| 21:47.18 | fungus | lol, purple? |
| 21:47.20 | TuxToaster | tape rotation |
| 21:47.34 | TuxToaster | yeah. the rack was purple. |
| 21:47.36 | fungus | never seen a purple system in a server room. that's awesome. |
| 21:47.57 | fungus | well... the old Sun machines were bluish/purplish. |
| 21:48.01 | TuxToaster | I'll have to dig up a pic of it. |
| 21:48.33 | TuxToaster | yeah I had a couple of those. not sure who manufactured the dinosaur. hehe |
| 21:49.11 | fungus | fun |
| 21:49.16 | carmony | hrm |
| 21:49.22 | carmony | whats a good rsync command? |
| 21:49.28 | carmony | meaning what options |
| 21:49.28 | TuxToaster | rsync |
| 21:49.30 | carmony | lol |
| 21:49.32 | TuxToaster | doh' |
| 21:49.38 | fungus | rsync -av |
| 21:49.41 | jsmith | rsync -av --progress |
| 21:49.43 | fungus | rsync -aP |
| 21:49.47 | jsmith | rsync -av --progress --stats |
| 21:49.59 | fungus | rsync -av --delete |
| 21:50.37 | jsmith | rsync -av --delete --dry-run |
| 21:50.41 | fungus | rsync -axPH --link-dest ../karmic/ ... |
| 21:50.49 | fungus | hehe |
| 21:50.55 | DexterTheDragon | FINISH HIM |
| 21:51.01 | carmony | lol |
| 21:51.36 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 21:52.13 | TuxToaster | shutdown -h now |
| 21:52.16 | TuxToaster | :D |
| 21:52.16 | carmony | lol |
| 21:53.29 | fungus | :(){ :|:& };: |
| 21:54.47 | mgeary | DexterTheDragon: i'm trying to figure out if the new Karate Kid is going to be awesome or awful |
| 21:55.06 | mindjuju | that's not soemthing easily discernable |
| 21:55.09 | mgeary | i'm not much of a Jackie Chan fan |
| 21:55.16 | mgeary | but i loved the original KK |
| 21:55.33 | DexterTheDragon | probably awful |
| 21:56.01 | unum | having not watched many movies as a child, I end up being exposed to a lot of older movies as an adult and being reviled for not liking them |
| 21:56.19 | unum | why I don't think the new star war movies are that great, the old one's aren't either |
| 21:56.21 | mgeary | like Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure? |
| 21:56.21 | mindjuju | like which movies did you not like unum? |
| 21:56.26 | unum | s/why/while |
| 21:56.36 | fungus | lol, I've done that. |
| 21:56.42 | unum | I've never made it throught bill & ted's |
| 21:56.43 | fungus | The Lost Boys. |
| 21:56.53 | fungus | loved it as a child. hate it now. |
| 21:57.09 | mgeary | ah, i've been wanting to see The Lost Boys again, maybe that's a mistake |
| 21:57.40 | mgeary | or, like, The Howling. That terrified me as a kid |
| 21:57.47 | mgeary | wonder if it'd now be pure cheese |
| 21:57.49 | fungus | yeah, i would pass on lost boys now. |
| 21:58.05 | carmony | hrm |
| 21:58.12 | carmony | fungus: http://paste2.org/p/803293 |
| 21:58.25 | fungus | well... unless you like really crappy movies still :P |
| 21:58.53 | mgeary | oh come on. The Howling was a classic |
| 21:59.04 | fungus | carmony, sounds like an ssh session that never started, or died. |
| 21:59.22 | carmony | well I'm rsyncing from one dir to another dir |
| 21:59.52 | fungus | on the same machine? |
| 22:00.00 | carmony | yeah |
| 22:00.02 | carmony | hrm |
| 22:00.06 | carmony | I'm getting this now: |
| 22:00.17 | carmony | rsync: failed to set times on "/backups_drive/dating_dna/uploads/0/4981": Read-only file system (30) |
| 22:00.17 | carmony | 0/4981/photos/ |
| 22:00.43 | fungus | ok. read-only file system, means just that. it's read-only |
| 22:01.07 | fungus | fyi, it might be read-only due to errors |
| 22:01.13 | fungus | check `dmesg` |
| 22:01.56 | carmony | http://paste2.org/p/803298 |
| 22:01.59 | carmony | great.. :P |
| 22:02.21 | fungus | doh, that's bad. |
| 22:02.36 | fungus | see, that's why I hate physical machines. :) |
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| 22:02.53 | TuxToaster | that sucks |
| 22:02.58 | TuxToaster | fungus: LOL |
| 22:03.07 | TuxToaster | somewhere along the line is a physical machine or device. |
| 22:03.18 | fungus | carmony, probably a loose connection, bad drive, or bad backplane |
| 22:03.24 | carmony | bah |
| 22:03.32 | carmony | on a friday evening |
| 22:03.33 | carmony | awesome |
| 22:03.34 | carmony | #fail |
| 22:03.44 | TuxToaster | maybe your backplane slipped a disk? :P |
| 22:03.53 | fungus | lol |
| 22:04.15 | herlo | fungus: so here's a fun question for you |
| 22:04.19 | TuxToaster | carmony: what kind of disk is it? |
| 22:04.29 | carmony | I dunno :P |
| 22:04.31 | herlo | I've been digging through mailing list after mailing list and it should be simple |
| 22:04.32 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:04.42 | TuxToaster | herlo: it is. keep digging. |
| 22:04.49 | fungus | hehe |
| 22:04.54 | TuxToaster | sorry. I'm in a mood today, want to go home. |
| 22:04.55 | TuxToaster | hehe |
| 22:05.00 | herlo | fungus: When I it Ctrl+L on my personal laptop, no matter where I am, it clears the screen to the top, using emacs mode |
| 22:05.22 | fungus | oh hey, that's cool |
| 22:05.23 | herlo | fungus: but on one certain server, Ctrl+L only creates a newline for me |
| 22:05.28 | herlo | crap |
| 22:05.43 | fungus | nope. |
| 22:05.45 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:05.48 | herlo | I was hoping you could help me figure out what I was missing :( |
| 22:06.00 | TuxToaster | herlo: what app are you in? |
| 22:06.01 | mgeary | i'm a compulsive screen clearer |
| 22:06.11 | herlo | well Shift+PgUP scrolls back |
| 22:06.12 | mgeary | but i use CMD+K, to really flush it |
| 22:06.12 | herlo | TuxToaster: bash |
| 22:06.19 | mgeary | ..which i sometimes regret |
| 22:06.25 | herlo | mgeary: that's not helpful... |
| 22:06.36 | TuxToaster | herlo: it's going to depend on your terminal emulator though. |
| 22:06.41 | herlo | TuxToaster: you'd think |
| 22:06.50 | herlo | echo $TERM |
| 22:06.50 | herlo | xterm |
| 22:06.56 | herlo | that's what it is on this server |
| 22:07.03 | TuxToaster | if you're talking doing this directly on the console, then that one machine might be using a different tty |
| 22:07.12 | herlo | TuxToaster: on my local box: $ echo $TERM |
| 22:07.12 | herlo | xterm |
| 22:07.26 | herlo | TuxToaster: doesn't appear so... |
| 22:07.30 | herlo | both via ssh |
| 22:07.39 | TuxToaster | hmm |
| 22:07.41 | fungus | herlo, type Ctrl-V Ctrl-L to make sure the key combo is making it there |
| 22:07.42 | herlo | versions are similar too |
| 22:07.48 | herlo | fungus: kk |
| 22:08.03 | herlo | fungus: I see ^L as I expect |
| 22:08.04 | fungus | if it prints ^L, then it's fine |
| 22:08.10 | TuxToaster | herlo: so you're ssh' |
| 22:08.11 | herlo | yeah, but it's not |
| 22:08.13 | TuxToaster | err |
| 22:08.14 | fungus | ok, so it's your shell not interpreting it |
| 22:08.24 | herlo | right, which is what I'm trying to figure out |
| 22:08.37 | TuxToaster | so you're ssh'ed in from a local xterm window and only one server isn't doing it? |
| 22:08.42 | herlo | oh, my bash is WAY OLD |
| 22:08.45 | fungus | you have anything stray in a .inputrc or something like that. |
| 22:09.03 | TuxToaster | herlo: bash it |
| 22:09.13 | herlo | fungus: don't think I have a .inputrc, but let me check |
| 22:09.34 | herlo | fungus: nope don't have one |
| 22:10.09 | TuxToaster | herlo: /etc/inputrc ? |
| 22:10.50 | TuxToaster | if you're using emacs mode, it should have set -o emacs in there somewhere |
| 22:11.00 | TuxToaster | I think |
| 22:11.01 | fungus | emacs mode is the default |
| 22:11.18 | herlo | TuxToaster: $if mode=emacs |
| 22:11.23 | herlo | and yes I have emacs mode |
| 22:12.39 | herlo | the two are *exactly* the same on both boxen |
| 22:12.45 | TuxToaster | weird. |
| 22:12.45 | herlo | one works, the other doesn't... |
| 22:12.53 | TuxToaster | did you update your WAY OLD bash? :-) |
| 22:12.58 | herlo | this is inputrc I'm referring to... |
| 22:13.09 | herlo | I'm guessing it's some sort of lib missing or other |
| 22:13.29 | fungus | herlo, have you tried mapping that key yourself in your .inputrc |
| 22:13.47 | herlo | no, that was next, but I'm a bit lost |
| 22:13.53 | fungus | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1127994/to-bind-clear-to-l-in-bash |
| 22:14.07 | herlo | fungus: ahh, just what I was looking for |
| 22:14.12 | fungus | if it works, then it's just a bad default. |
| 22:14.20 | fungus | if it doesn't work, your bash is broken |
| 22:14.24 | fungus | me too |
| 22:14.56 | fungus | bash broken = i'm too lazy to dig any further. :) |
| 22:15.11 | TuxToaster | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1074878.html also has some info on it |
| 22:16.03 | herlo | I tried sourcing the .inputrc, no dice |
| 22:16.09 | herlo | how do you load it into the environment ?? |
| 22:16.27 | fungus | log out and back in |
| 22:16.31 | herlo | tried that |
| 22:16.31 | fungus | it's auto sourced |
| 22:16.37 | TuxToaster | that should do it... |
| 22:17.04 | herlo | hrm... |
| 22:17.04 | carmony | ok, ticket submitted |
| 22:17.16 | TuxToaster | herlo, just use whiteout when you need to clear your screen. |
| 22:17.21 | TuxToaster | it'd be easier. |
| 22:17.41 | herlo | TuxToaster: apparently |
| 22:17.53 | fungus | hehe |
| 22:18.09 | TuxToaster | herlo: what OS is the server? |
| 22:18.16 | herlo | Centos 5 |
| 22:18.25 | herlo | but I'm running the saem thing on another box, no problems |
| 22:19.05 | TuxToaster | yeah and it worked on mine as well. |
| 22:19.36 | herlo | strangeness ensuse |
| 22:19.36 | TuxToaster | do any of the other keystrokes work? |
| 22:19.37 | fungus | herlo, compare the /lib/terminfo/x/xterm on both machines. |
| 22:19.45 | herlo | s/use/ues/ |
| 22:19.55 | herlo | fungus: k |
| 22:20.13 | fungus | they are binary, so a diff should suffice |
| 22:20.22 | herlo | fungus: neither exist |
| 22:20.33 | fungus | /usr/share/terminfo ? |
| 22:20.50 | fungus | hmm, centos... termcap? |
| 22:20.52 | TuxToaster | yeah it's /usr/share/terminfo it looks like |
| 22:21.24 | herlo | yeah, but that's just a bunch of directories |
| 22:21.51 | fungus | right, find the xterm file |
| 22:22.16 | herlo | kk |
| 22:22.45 | herlo | ahh, I see |
| 22:23.33 | TuxToaster | grr. Why do clients email at the end of the day on Friday with "urgent" requests |
| 22:24.22 | herlo | lol |
| 22:24.34 | herlo | there's this thing that I do when that happens |
| 22:24.40 | herlo | and calls them back on monday |
| 22:25.12 | herlo | both xterm files are the same :( |
| 22:25.53 | cycokilr | sometimes it's because of the client/method with which you connect.. |
| 22:26.08 | cycokilr | in fact, most times.. |
| 22:26.18 | cycokilr | putty acts differently than ssh |
| 22:26.25 | cycokilr | stuff like that |
| 22:26.26 | herlo | cycokilr: in both cases, ssh via gnome-terminal |
| 22:26.49 | herlo | and it isn't just my client |
| 22:26.58 | herlo | other people who use this server have the same issue |
| 22:27.11 | cycokilr | well, then i guess it isn't the client.. |
| 22:27.31 | herlo | yeah... |
| 22:27.39 | herlo | sucks too, because that'd be an easy thing to blame :) |
| 22:28.05 | cycokilr | what does 'echo ^L' do on both? |
| 22:28.12 | cycokilr | same thing or different? |
| 22:28.21 | herlo | hrm, let me try |
| 22:28.46 | herlo | appears to be the same thing |
| 22:28.52 | herlo | just echos ^L |
| 22:29.16 | cycokilr | well, you have to do the ctrl-v then ctrl-l |
| 22:30.02 | herlo | nope |
| 22:30.05 | herlo | that doesn't work either |
| 22:30.19 | herlo | just prints ^L on the line |
| 22:30.21 | cycokilr | what do you mean doesn't work? i just asked what it does on them.. |
| 22:30.41 | herlo | cycokilr: you said I have to do that |
| 22:30.49 | cycokilr | if it's printing ^L then you're doing it wrong.. |
| 22:30.51 | herlo | so I did :) |
| 22:30.56 | herlo | oh really?? |
| 22:31.06 | cycokilr | yeah you should get a couple blank lines |
| 22:31.10 | cycokilr | or something similar |
| 22:31.55 | herlo | nope |
| 22:32.02 | herlo | and I am for sure doing right... |
| 22:32.27 | cycokilr | you must have some odd linux or something then.. |
| 22:35.11 | herlo | cycokilr: hrm, the only odd thing is that it's a Linode |
| 22:35.17 | herlo | CentOS 5.4 |
| 22:35.33 | herlo | pretty standard otherwise if you ask me |
| 22:35.34 | cycokilr | oh.. yeah redhat does do some odd stuff.. |
| 22:35.41 | herlo | cycokilr: I use it every day |
| 22:35.46 | herlo | and have never had this issue |
| 22:36.02 | herlo | the other box I am trying to compare to is also CentOS 5 |
| 22:36.07 | cycokilr | i stay away from redhat as much as i can man.. probably won't be much help for you.. |
| 22:36.13 | herlo | 5.3 iirc, but I've got other 5.4 boxen with on issues... |
| 22:36.37 | herlo | cycokilr: k, but I don't think it has anything to do with the distro |
| 22:36.37 | herlo | what do you use? |
| 22:36.48 | cycokilr | suse & some freebsd.. |
| 22:37.01 | cycokilr | i just don't like the way redhat does a lot of their stuff.. |
| 22:37.04 | herlo | wow |
| 22:37.11 | herlo | suse has the most complex configs in the world |
| 22:37.33 | herlo | YAST is trash, but I haven't seen it in a release so, maybe it's gotten better |
| 22:37.42 | cycokilr | they set the root pager to vi lite or whatever it's called.. and many other little things like that that seem odd to me.. |
| 22:37.42 | herlo | but I bet you use freebsd much more |
| 22:37.53 | herlo | pager is Less |
| 22:37.54 | cycokilr | sorry, editor, not pager.. |
| 22:38.00 | herlo | oh |
| 22:38.06 | herlo | I was going to say... :) |
| 22:38.13 | cycokilr | you don't like yast? |
| 22:38.16 | herlo | but it's all about preferences now, sn't it ? :) |
| 22:38.19 | herlo | no, it's crap |
| 22:38.21 | cycokilr | wait, console yast or gui yast? |
| 22:38.25 | herlo | either |
| 22:38.28 | cycokilr | or web yast? |
| 22:38.32 | herlo | either |
| 22:38.36 | cycokilr | web one is garbage.. but it's still beta mostly.. |
| 22:38.56 | herlo | yeah |
| 22:39.05 | cycokilr | the others are great for the guys around here that don't know much about linux.. |
| 22:39.07 | herlo | haven't played with it, but I hear it's gonna be nice |
| 22:39.09 | herlo | we'll see |
| 22:39.11 | cycokilr | keeps them from breaking too much.. |
| 22:39.21 | herlo | yeah, I hear ya |
| 22:40.36 | cycokilr | yeah i guess i really don't use yast much.. maybe to setup auto updates or something like that.. |
| 22:40.52 | cycokilr | but the normal stuff i just do manually.. |
| 22:42.36 | herlo | me too, with RH |
| 22:42.49 | herlo | anyway, it's like 4:45 on a Friday, I think I'm gonna beat the rush home :) |
| 22:43.40 | cycokilr | have a good weekend |
| 22:44.36 | herlo | you too |
| 22:47.52 | itimber | ya... I'm going to bolt too... see ya guys |
| 23:06.03 | carmony | ok, they replaced the drive... |
| 23:06.19 | carmony | oh, and I asked them to let me know when they would take the server offline to do it |
| 23:06.21 | carmony | and they didn't |
| 23:06.22 | carmony | grrr |
| 23:07.28 | fungus | lol, that's really annoying |
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| 23:11.31 | carmony | ok, repartitioning it... again... |
| 23:13.52 | carmony | and I always get scared when I do stuff like this :P |
| 23:13.58 | carmony | afraid I'll have a typo |
| 23:14.08 | carmony | and format my main partition or something |
| 23:14.22 | cycokilr | it's fun to resize volumes with fdisk when they have data on them.. |
| 23:14.29 | cycokilr | kinda scary, but it works.. |
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