IRC log for #uphpu on 20100414

00:11.59itimberlater guys
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02:09.22mindjujueggyknap, you around?
02:11.09eggyknapI am indeed.
02:11.19eggyknapque pasa? :)
02:11.34mindjujuso first, let me qualify my question with the phrase
02:11.38mindjujuit's not my fault
02:11.55mindjujui didn't plan this db, i inherited it
02:12.03mindjujuthat said here is the question
02:12.29eggyknapheh
02:12.36mindjujui've got a table where I have 3 different date fields, date_assigned, date_due, date_completed
02:12.46mindjujuand a ton more fields, but those three are important
02:13.04mindjujunow, i'm doing an activity report on our employees
02:13.23mindjujuso, I need to search all three of those fields for the date or date range i specify
02:13.59mindjujuthat so far looks like this
02:14.01mindjujuWHERE     (date_assigned BETWEEN '4/01/2010' AND '4/13/2010') OR                       (date_due BETWEEN '4/01/2010' AND '4/13/2010') OR                       (date_completed BETWEEN '4/01/2010' AND '4/13/2010')
02:14.59mindjujunow, to make things interesting, I need to be able to look up by a specified employee, so tack on another AND and put AND (emp = 10)
02:15.13mindjujunow, it can't be that simple you know that
02:15.18eggyknap:)
02:16.13mindjujuso, as this is a report, I need to pull back the specified status of the task, so tack on another AND as AND (task_status = 'completed'
02:16.17mindjujuand that's it
02:16.41mindjujuso my question, performance went out the window about 10 minutes ago, huh?
02:17.33eggyknapNot necessarily. I mean, depends on how it's indexed, and how your db's planner decides to do it, but it shouldn't be too awful.
02:17.42eggyknap...and if it is, you might be able to do fun tricks to make it faster.
02:18.09mindjujuso, the db planner (or lack there of) has gone, and left me in his stead
02:18.14mindjujuso i can do whatever i need
02:18.24mindjujui have full control of the db
02:18.32mindjujui eventually want to normalize this
02:18.38mindjujubut today is not the day for that battle
02:18.41eggyknap:)
02:19.06mindjujuso since it seems to be returning back the right results in under 5 seconds, should i be happy?
02:19.07eggyknapI'd just look at what your database is trying to do with that query, and see if that seems reasonable. e.g. EXPLAIN, or whatever your db of choice provides.
02:20.07eggyknapSure, unless you have good reason to decide you can't afford the 5 seconds.
02:20.22eggyknapBut it doesn't seem like a query that would take an inordinate amount of time/processing/IO/etc.
02:20.36mindjujunah, i'm just trying to squeeze for performance
02:20.37eggyknapEspecially becase, insofar as you've described, it's all in one table, so there's not join work to be done.
02:20.48mindjujuthought with the billions of ands, i must be doing something wrong
02:21.02eggyknapNah, normal.
02:21.07mindjujuk
02:21.19mindjujuthx!
02:21.23mindjuju~eggyknap++
02:57.45undertakingyoumindjuju and macnewbold: Yes it was a Larkin Cemetery that was vandalized and in the news. It is not the one that I manage though (thankfully).
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15:05.52ibotfoo is, like, bar
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15:10.39Utah_Dave~tunafart mindjuju
15:10.40ibotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
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15:41.56mgearyokay, this is killing me. I don't know how people can work with Windows servers
15:42.44mgearyi have ~40 gigs of stuff i need to move off a Windows server. FTP can't/won't stay connected that long; i'd really like to use rsync, but i've never dealt with cygwin before
15:42.58mgearycan someone here help me get that going?
15:52.48mindjujumgeary, i tried cygwin before and never was able to get it to fully work
15:53.22mindjujui do monthly back up a server that isn't on my local network and I do actually get it to go through FTP
15:53.30mindjujui'm using filezilla server and client
15:53.46mindjujufailrate is prolly 1 failure in 5 attempts
15:53.52mindjujubut I do have to break it up
15:54.03mindjujuinto roughly 20g segments
15:54.27mindjuju(it's actually closer to 45g) so it's 20g + 20g + 5g
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15:54.37mindjujutakes a full weekend
15:54.45mindjujubecause i'm not watching it constant
15:55.38mgearyyeah, it's super annoying
15:55.54mgearywith rsync, you can at least just re-run the command, and it will only transfer what hasn't been
15:55.58mindjujui don't remember what it was i was going for in WAMP that i needed cygwin, but it was because i couldn't get it to work that i finally bit the bullet and started to REALLY learn LAMP and then just made the server a LAMP stack
15:56.18mgearyso, anyone else here got cygwin+rsync running on a windows machine?
15:56.29mindjujumgeary, that would be awesome to have that kind of functionality
15:56.37mindjujui wonder if josephscott does?
15:57.09mindjujuheartsbane might have, iirc, he admins a couple boxes that are winders
15:57.14josephscottI don't have rsync running on any windows systems
15:57.27josephscottthere are windows apps that provide rsync features though
15:57.46mgearybut i need to rsync to a *nix box
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15:57.51mgearyso it needs to be true rsync
15:58.03mindjujumgeary, just an idea, can you bring up a linux box next to the winders machine, share the drive to the linux box and then rsync from the linux box?
15:58.03Heartsbanewhat?
15:58.15mgearymindjuju: no can do. it's a colo machine
15:58.21mindjujuheartsbane, mgeary is wondering about cygwin on winders
15:58.29mindjujui mentioned that you might be admining some winders boxes
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15:58.36mindjujuseems like you mentioned that once
15:58.43mindjujuso i thought you might have experience here
15:58.45Heartsbanenever done that on any of my windows servers, sounds painful
15:58.53mindjujuah
15:59.29mindjujuwell, mgeary, what OS is the winders box?
15:59.32mindjuju2k or 2k3?
15:59.36Heartsbaneputting a cygwin ssh server on a windows server sounds silly
16:00.18mgearyHeartsbane: i need to get 40gb of data off a Windows machine, and FTP is proving to be far too flaky
16:00.39Heartsbanewhy?
16:00.50mgearydrops connections, stalls, whatever
16:01.20mgearyi've tried winSCP, and it was working last night, but when i RDP'd in this morning, it appeared that the server had been rebooted
16:01.21mindjujufor what its worth, i seem to have less failure when ftp over vpn, at least if my memory is right
16:01.30mgearyso i want something resumable
16:05.48mgearyit's amazing how much you take for granted working on a *nix system
16:06.09mindjujuyes, taht's true, that's why i finally broke down and switched to LAMP
16:06.15mindjujui know you can't in this case
16:06.20mindjujui'm just saying thats why i did
16:06.33mgearywell
16:06.36mgearythat's kind of the point
16:06.48mgearywe've convinced a new client to let us migrate their webserver to LAMP
16:06.59mgearybut we've got to get the stuff off the current machine
16:07.29HeartsbaneDunno know what to say
16:08.33Utah_Davemgeary: try DeltaCopy
16:08.34Utah_Davehttp://www.aboutmyip.com/AboutMyXApp/DeltaCopy.jsp
16:08.39Utah_Daversync on windows.
16:08.42mgearylooked at that
16:08.45Utah_DaveI've used it with some success
16:08.50mgearybut is it true rsync?
16:09.13mgearyit talks about wanting the server installed on the receiving machine as well
16:09.45Utah_DaveYeah, it's rsync. I've used it to rsync to a linux server
16:10.48mgearycool
16:10.50mgearyi'll try that
16:20.05Utah_Davemgeary: the thing with deltacopy is that you have to have the rsync server daemon running on the destination server. You can't do it over ssh. I think.
16:20.20mgearyah
16:20.25mgearyi've never done that, heard of it, though
16:20.33mgearybut that may still be the simplest approach
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17:11.04brastohey guys, I'm trying to create a crontab that restarts apache http server every hour until I have time to troubleshoot what's causing it to slowly rise over several hours in disk IO until it reaches upwards of 12000 and then climbs cpu usage to 400 and crashes the server.
17:11.12brastohowever the crontab doesn't work
17:12.20brasto6 * * * * sudo /etc/init.d/httpd restart
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17:12.33brastothat as user brasto doesn't restart httpd
17:12.46brasto6 * * * * sudo service httpd restart
17:12.49brastoneither does that
17:12.57brastoand putting quotes around the command doesn't work
17:13.15brastoand setting a crontab as root doesn't work either
17:13.21brastoany suggestions?
17:14.09brastoit's not really a solution, it's ugly, to restart the server every hour, but I can't find the problem and don't have the time to look for it right now, and I'm tired of manually restarting it myself every few hours.
17:15.00herloput a script in /etc/cron.hourly instead
17:15.04herlobrasto: ^^
17:26.55_psychic_seems like I've heard Asterisk lingo back and forth in here - anyone up for a quick question?
17:29.03mindjujuthat's utah_dave, jared
17:29.10mindjujuuh, let's see who else
17:30.25_psychic_just wondering how hard it is to build plugins for it
17:30.40DexterTheDragonwe need a bot thing thats like ~whoknows asterisk, that then reutrns the names :)
17:30.52mindjujuthat would be cool
17:31.50herloDexterTheDragon: I could totally put that into utosbot :)
17:32.00DexterTheDragonthen get on it
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17:32.19herlo.hi
17:32.20utosbotherlo: Hello
17:32.38herloshe's here now, I'll see about writing a tool that can add what you know :)
17:33.25herlo.list
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17:33.37herlo.list praise
17:33.37utosbotherlo: add, change, get, praise, remove, search, and stats
17:33.46herlo.praise DexterTheDragon
17:33.46utosbotherlo: Error: There are no praises in my database for #UPHPU.
17:33.59herlo.help praise add
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17:34.08mindjujuherlo, you should do that in #botpark
17:34.08DexterTheDragon~spam herlo
17:34.09ibotACTION subscribes herlo to every possible mailing list he can find on the 'net AND arranges for herlo to get at least 50 snail mail spams a day
17:34.18herlomindjuju: hehe, I'm just having fun
17:34.25herloI have a channel for it already...
17:34.26mindjuju:)
17:34.41herlojust was going to add a priase :)
17:36.29mindjujulet's see, stuff known about DtD: great at debug, knows CakePHP, has apple, uses linux (distro=?), used to be called Chris by me, likes techno
17:36.40mindjuju:)
17:36.52mindjuju~DextertheDragon
17:37.13mindjuju~dtd
17:37.14ibotextra, extra, read all about it, dtd is Desktop Tower Defence - play it at http://www.handdrawngames.com/DesktopTD/Game.asp, or 'Document Type Definition'.  DexterTheDragon
17:37.40mindjujuwe'll need to come up with something snappy for the dexterthedragon factoid
17:38.11mindjujuand will have to get herlo to add some kind of mortal kombat function to his bot so it can duel with ibot on #fightclub
17:40.52herlolol
17:40.53herlosure
17:41.20herlo.nickometer mindjuju
17:41.20utosbotherlo: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "mindjuju" is 0.0%.
17:41.35brastoherlo, it's been a while since I've used /etc/cron.hourly .  IIRC, I put a file with any name in that folder and use the usual crontab format, right?  e.g.: make a file called /etc/cron.hourly/httpd and put in it: 6 * * * * service httpd restart
17:41.36brasto?
17:41.38mindjujustraight up yo, i keeps it real
17:42.14herlobrasto: no
17:42.45herlo/etc/cron.hourly directory executes anything in that (with executable perms) directory every hour
17:43.12herlothe file that manages cron.hourly, cron.daily, cron.weekly and cron.monthly, plus cron.d is /etc/crontab
17:43.19herlowhich already has the format for you...
17:43.35brastook, so I create a bash script in there?
17:44.08brastoI remember now the entries in /etc/crontab that run it.
17:45.07herlo<PROTECTED>
17:53.09Utah_Davebrasto: you might need the full path in there
17:53.17Utah_Dave/etc/init.d/httpd restart
17:54.03Utah_Dave_psychic_: I've never tried to build a plugin for asterisk. But there is a ton of stuff you can do without writing a plugin
17:54.17_psychic_well what I want is very much just like voicemail
17:54.32_psychic_basically you call in, maybe hear some custom message of some sort, and leave your own audio on the server
17:54.40_psychic_then I just need access to that audio so I can take it from there
17:54.52jsmith_psychic_: Well, there are lots of ways of doing that
17:55.07jsmith_psychic_: Mind taking the conversation over to #utaug and I'll show you how?
17:55.16brastoUtah_Dave: yea, I just discovered that by running run-parts manually after I put the bash file in /etc/cron.hourly and running it manually with run-parts <path-to-folder>
17:55.27_psychic_I would love to - I'm headed to lunch, though - can I take a raincheck and get back with you later this afternoon?
17:55.31_psychic_I appreciate that a lot
17:55.58_psychic_jsmith: ^
17:56.19brastohowever, the script /etc/init.d/httpd restart was a full path, so I'm not sure why that didn't work.  What do you think on that one Utah_Dave?
17:56.24_psychic_All I really need right now is the big picture - I'm working on a proposal, not actually implementing at this point
17:56.59jsmith_psychic_: Just ping me when you've got time
17:57.07_psychic_will do thanks
18:09.32mgearyhey Utah_Dave
18:10.05Utah_Daveyeah, mgeary?
18:10.17mgearyso, i'm trying to get this deltaCopy working. got a sec for a few questions?
18:10.59Utah_Davesure
18:11.12mgearyso, i've got the client up on the windows machine. i'm creating a new profile
18:11.35mgearyit wants a "virtual directory name", which it appears to want to pull from the remote machine, but it's not yet giving me an opportunity to enter auth credentials
18:11.44mgearywhat's going on there?
18:13.15Utah_DaveHmm. Let me install it on this machine and look at it. I haven't used it in a while
18:13.30mgeary~hate windows
18:13.31ibotHey mgeary, ,,|,
18:13.43mgearywhatever, ibot
18:14.17romanovichaha
18:14.18mindjujuwow, that's funny
18:14.24mindjujui wonder if it is just hate
18:14.30mindjuju~hate McDonalds
18:14.31ibotHey mindjuju, ,,|,
18:14.34mindjujuyeah
18:14.35mindjujufunny
18:17.07Utah_Daveok, mgeary. did you open up the DeltaCopy Client gui?
18:17.13mgearyyeah
18:17.27mgearyclicked on New Profile
18:17.32Utah_DaveOK
18:17.45Utah_DaveDid you create the account on the server side?
18:18.03mgearywell, the remote machine is just one of my many *nix machines
18:18.11mgearyi have an ssh login to it
18:18.24mgearydo i need to create something particular to rsync?
18:18.34Utah_Davemgeary: yeah, you do.
18:18.58Utah_DaveBasically you create a username /password and directory for each user
18:19.08Utah_Davewhich linux os are you running?
18:19.12mgearyit's a mac
18:19.26mgearythough i could use a CentOS machine if that's easier
18:19.37Utah_Davemac should probably work fine.
18:19.45Utah_DaveI think you need to edit rsyncd.conf
18:20.45mgearydoing that now
18:20.47mgearyhad to create it
18:21.21mgearylooking here: http://everythinglinux.org/rsync/
18:22.01mgearyhttp://dpaste.org/odbk/
18:22.11mgearywhat should i put on line 6?
18:22.43Utah_DaveWell, first you need to make sure the rsyncd daemon is running.
18:23.10Utah_Davehttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/rsync     Towards the bottom there is an explanation on how to check that on ubuntu
18:23.41mgearysince this is a one-off deal, i was hoping to just start it in daemon mode on the command line
18:23.47mgearynot have to bother with inetd
18:25.00Utah_Daveok
18:25.26mgearythough i've never done that before. it appears that you could just do rsync --daemon, but that doesn't appear to spawn a process
18:26.03Utah_Davehttp://a1979shakedown.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/set-up-an-rsync-server-in-ubuntu-for-file-syncing-between-machines/
18:26.10Utah_DaveThat has a good rundown of what to do
18:26.41mgearyokay, i'll check that. thanks
18:47.27romanovicanyone know of a simple tool to convert mssql to mysql?  (Just an .sql file, no migration involved)
18:48.01romanovicI prefer not to do it by hand
18:49.45mindjujumysql has a query browser you can feed in a .sql file
18:49.53mindjujuor if you use phpmyadmin, you can feed it in there
18:50.31romanoviceven if that sql was exported from mssql?
18:50.42mindjujuohhhhh
18:51.11mindjujupretty complex schema?
18:51.19romanovicmost of it looks generic enough that it would work, but not all
18:51.21romanovicno
18:52.56mindjujuthis has some interesting stuff on it
18:52.57mindjujuhttp://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/migrating-from-microsoft.html
18:53.06mindjujui'm down to about 3/4ths the screen
18:53.25mindjujuseems like they are using DTS to friendly up the .sql export and prep to pipe to mysql
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18:55.16mindjujudo you have access to the management studio or enterprise manager?
18:55.25romanovicmindjuju, thanks, this will probably work
18:55.29romanovicno
18:58.20mindjujudo you know which ms sql its from?
18:59.42romanovicnope.  Its not exported data, it is just a series of insert statements provided with a CMS module I am installing
19:00.07romanovicother modules include separate sql for mssql and mysql.  this one came only with mssql
19:00.37mindjujuoh gotcha
19:00.49mindjujuhmm, this might be a one off by hand then
19:00.51mindjuju:(
19:01.21romanovici'll fix it later... have to take off to job #2. Thanks for the help.
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19:47.27beandogAny git gurus around
19:48.03mindjujuah DtD, stderr are
19:48.12beandogDexterTheDragon, pingeh :D
19:48.14DexterTheDragonwhat up beandog
19:48.32beandogDexterTheDragon, whats a good simple way to host git repos remotely
19:48.40beandoggitosis?
19:48.40DexterTheDragonssh
19:48.48beandogssh?
19:48.49beandogwhut?
19:48.50DexterTheDragonI host my stuff just on ssh
19:48.54beandoghows that
19:49.07jsmithgit+ssh FTW!
19:49.15DexterTheDragonthen I can just do git clone ssh://example.com/path/to/project.git
19:49.36DexterTheDragonyou just have a bare repo sitting on the server
19:49.39beandogOh
19:49.43beandog~asplode my head
19:49.44ibotmy head head asplode, k thx
19:49.57beandogDexterTheDragon, how do you push stuff to it?
19:50.02DexterTheDragongit push
19:50.11beandogoh boy
19:50.21beandogokies, Ill go readin so mo.
19:50.32fungusand w/ ssh keys it's all fast and easy.
19:50.37DexterTheDragononce you've cloned it, then that URI is setup as the origin
19:50.41DexterTheDragonso and pushes would goto it
19:50.55DexterTheDragonbeandog: hang on let me get you some reading material
19:51.17beandogokay, thanks
19:51.18beandogI'm lost.
19:51.40DexterTheDragonhttp://progit.org/
19:52.28DexterTheDragonhttp://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~cduan/technical/git/
19:52.51DexterTheDragon^ that one delves into how the internals of git work. once you understand that its this really simplistic thing
19:53.10beandogOkay
19:53.11beandogthanks
19:53.17jsmithbeandog: Don't worry... we'll turn you into a git fan
19:53.36beandogeveryone raves about it, but I still can't wrap my head around some of the basics
19:53.37fungushttp://learn.github.com/
19:53.41beandogI'm coming from CVS and SVN
19:53.52beandogthanks guys
19:54.07beandogI'll buy you all Oreo shots
19:54.13DexterTheDragonw00t!
19:54.16jsmithbeandog: I came from SCCS, RCS, CVS, and SVN before learning git.
19:54.24beandogen flambe
19:54.35jsmithbeandog: It's a different way of thinking, but I think you'll like it once you understand it
19:54.40beandogI like RCS
19:54.46beandogjsmith, yah, exactly ...
19:54.49DexterTheDragonbeandog: if you come to uphpu tomorrow I can explain stuff to ya
19:54.50jsmithbeandog: Just don't try to map RCS and SVN into GIT
19:55.02beandogjsmith, what do you mean, like compare apples to apples?
19:55.08beandogDexterTheDragon, okies, awesome
19:55.09jsmithbeandog: RCS and CVS and SVN are very server-centric
19:55.20beandogjsmith, right
19:55.26DexterTheDragonand very revision centric
19:55.29jsmithbeandog: git is distributed... meaning every client has a *full* copy of their view of the universe
19:55.42jsmithbeandog: In SVN et al, branches are expensive
19:55.48jsmithbeandog: In git, branches are very cheap
19:56.45beandogOkay
19:56.53beandogI never worked with branches much, either
19:57.01beandogGenerally just commits, and that was it.
19:57.08beandogbrowse revision history
19:57.12beandogpretty simple stuff.
19:57.14DexterTheDragonyeah thats because its hard in svn
19:57.52jsmithExactly
19:58.03herlogit and hg make branches *easy* :)
19:58.20jsmithWith git, I'll often create a branch before fixing a particular issue, fix it in that branch, test it, and then merge that branch back
19:59.28beandogjsmith, oh, thats interesting ... I'd like to be able to do that
19:59.59herlobeandog: use git
20:00.03herloit's that simple
20:00.21beandogmy headache disagrees
20:00.25herlowhat's great is there is git-svn which can do that for you, then you can *look* like you are still using svn...
20:00.42beandogOh, Im not switching an existing repo, Im setting a new one up at work
20:01.45beandogokay
20:01.46beandoglotsa reading to do
20:01.52beandogwhee la la
20:02.39herlooh, check out gitosis, gitweb and gitolite
20:02.43herlobeandog: ^^ that'll help
20:02.50herloif you want a centralized remote repository, that is
20:03.00beandogYah gitosis totally lost me, Ill try the others tho
20:03.16herlooh, really?
20:03.21herloI can help you get gitosis up if you like
20:03.24beandogI just need a really simple commit and remote storage for now.
20:03.31herlowe run it here at bc and I've set it up a few times before
20:03.37herlothough I'd really like to setup gitolite
20:03.42beandogwell I think Im gonna use redmine for *now*
20:03.56herloredmine doesn't have anything special for it
20:04.02herloyou still have to setup the git repo
20:04.09herlobut that's not too hard, I suppose
20:04.11beandogyah
20:04.13beandogI think I can do that.
20:05.10herlo:)
20:05.13herlogit --bare init
20:05.19herlopretty simple if you ask me
20:05.24DexterTheDragonbeandog: like I said if you don't need any complex user control, and can use ssh, its the easiest
20:05.35beandogDexterTheDragon, yah thats what I think Im gonna try
20:19.45macnewboldit's the highlight of my social calendar each month
20:19.51PigeonClustermacnewbold, how sad
20:19.57PigeonClusterit's the only highlight
20:20.19PigeonClusterthere are other users groups on different days, to sustain you until uphpu
20:20.33PigeonClusterwhy don't you go to one of them?
20:20.56mindjuju'cuz uphpu is the best
20:21.34mindjuju~lart jsmith
20:21.34ibotexecutes killall -HUP jsmith
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20:25.24brastoUtah_Dave: check your fb chat :)
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21:10.32mindjuju~give beandog a vegemite sammich
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21:10.34mindjujuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNT7uZf7lew
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21:24.26mindjujuwhere is thebigdog?
21:24.50beandogmindjuju, I loves this song
21:24.51beandog:D
21:24.54beandog~mindjuju++
21:24.58mindjuju:)
21:25.44beandoguntil I watch the videos
21:28.39beandogdon't you hate it when you have 60 windows open, and you can't remember which one is blaring audio
21:28.54mindjujuor worse, you've got 2 or 3 that are
21:32.05mindjujudid beandog listen to heavy metal back in the 80s?
21:32.17beandogno
21:32.30mindjujuoh wait, you were a skater in the 80's, yes?
21:32.30beandogI'm never going to reveal what I listened to growing up.
21:32.47beandogmindjuju, no didnt really start skating til a few years ago
21:32.54fungusi'm thinking beandog was into goth/punk
21:33.09mindjujuno way
21:33.14fungusor maybe lame 80's pop
21:33.35mindjujubeandog was was a pastel polo wearing colar up kinda guy
21:33.38mindjujuwith loafers
21:33.43funguslol
21:33.44beandogmindjuju, oh *man*
21:33.48beandogyou are so off course.
21:34.58beandogpastel ... oy
21:35.02beandog~mindjuju--
21:35.07mindjujuwell, this we know, you once wore a yelow shirt with a red colar
21:35.12mindjujuhttp://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ieWcxChnYVtdHM:http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/5812f6204f3a0213164c80b96f522fb7.jpg
21:35.24beandogLOL
21:35.26mgeary~rlart
21:35.27ibotteaches eco that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right.
21:35.28beandogThose are He-Man pajamas
21:35.46beandogI'm probably 4 in that picture.
21:36.00mindjujuactually, if mgeary doesn't mind me saying, i could see him wearing pastel polo with the sweater tied around neck and loafers
21:36.02mindjujutotal prep
21:36.07mindjuju:)
21:36.27mgearynah, wasn't rich enough to be a preppie in HS
21:37.36beandogmindjuju was punk growing up, right?
21:37.48mgearyi was totally like Anthony Michael Hall in 16 Candles. Big nerd.
21:38.00beandogHe wasn't a nerd, he was cooool!
21:38.12mgearyyeah. i thought i was cooool, too
21:38.22beandog~mgeary++
21:38.39beandogI actually have an old high school photo online.
21:38.43mgeary:)
21:38.44mgearyohh
21:38.47beandogbut I fear reprisal if I showed it.
21:38.50mgearymy senior HS photo is so awful
21:38.56beandognot to mention public embarrasment.
21:39.02mgearyso really, truly, awfully bad
21:39.14beandogmgeary, link?
21:39.21mgearyit's not online, thankfully
21:39.28beandogwe can fix that
21:39.36mindjujui'm going to scan 2 pictures from HS and posint online, though i'll only show those who do likewise
21:39.38mgearygood luck with that
21:39.49beandogmindjuju, Ive only got one
21:39.58mindjuju1 is enough
21:40.09beandogdoes it have to be a picture of me?
21:40.55mindjujumust be high school and CAN'T be halloween
21:40.55mindjujuyes
21:40.56beandogI'm not sure I wanna play this game.
21:41.03beandogmaybe if fungus does it.
21:41.32mindjujufungus will, won't ya?
21:41.51fungusI don't know if I have any
21:42.51beandoglies
21:42.54beandoghe carries them in his wallet.
21:43.06fungusall my photos from back then haven't been digitized
21:43.26mindjujuyeah, i've got to scan some in tonight
21:43.47mgearynow why would you do that?
21:43.51mgearycan't you leave the past alone?
21:45.42mindjujuif no scanner, bring pics to meeting
21:45.46mindjujuk, i tell ya what
21:45.51mindjujui'm bringing my yearbook
21:45.59mindjujuto afterhours partay
21:46.46beandogI'll bring my portable full page scanner.
21:46.51beandogaka my cell phone w/camera
21:47.58mindjujuwe'd better be able to see REAL good
21:47.59mindjuju:)
21:48.02mindjujufungus?
21:48.26fungushehe, i guess.
21:48.38beandogI wonder if I have mine ..
21:49.12mindjujujosephscott, you got HS pics?
21:49.22mindjujuthough me imagines josephscott hasn't changed much from HS
21:50.10mindjujuDtD, you around?
21:50.22DexterTheDragonmaybe
21:50.31mindjujuyou bringing a pic?
21:50.54DexterTheDragonno
21:51.52mindjuju:(
21:52.09josephscotthmmm, I'm sure they are around some where
21:52.16josephscotthopefully not online any where:-)
21:52.41mindjuju:)
21:52.50josephscottI was about the same height and even thinner
21:53.14mindjujuthinner?  you're pretty thin now!
21:53.46josephscottI'm more than 40 pounds heavier than when I graduated HS in 91
21:54.11beandog91?
21:54.13beandogyoure old.
21:54.33beandog~ancient mindjuju
21:54.47DexterTheDragonhttp://twitter.com/librarycongress/status/12169442690
21:54.47beandogclass o 94
21:54.50jsmithGee... suddenly I feel a whole lot younger!
21:55.21mindjujuyeah, old enough to be your granpa
21:55.31josephscottyep, hard to believe I'll be 37 next month.
21:57.00herlo21
21:57.01fungusi'm about 30 pounds heavier than HS.
21:57.12herlojosephscott: you are OLD!
21:57.14mindjujufungus, that's even harder to believe
21:57.52fungushehe.  tis true
21:58.13josephscottherlo: yeah, but it was fun when last year someone mentioned that I was in my mid-20s.  I didn't have heart to correct him :-)
21:58.40herlohehe, I've not had that for a while.  I should lose some weight and see if it happens again.  Likely not though
21:58.56mindjujuwith my shaved head, i won't get that again
21:59.14mindjujumy hair is losing the battle :(
21:59.30beandogfungus, same here
21:59.37beandogI've gained about 25-40 pounds since HS
21:59.53mindjujupsh
22:00.06beandogPlease do not psh on my parade.
22:00.22mindjuju:)
22:00.40beandogI was always about 145 until the mish
22:00.47beandogthose crazy christian ladies wouldnt stop feeding me.
22:01.25josephscottI've recently passed the 200 mark, my HS self would have never believed that
22:01.35funguspot really brings out the munchies.
22:02.12mgearyold and skinny
22:02.27fungusthat, and puberty.  :P
22:02.40mindjujumgeary, you should come to after hours party
22:02.45mindjujuwoah
22:02.48mindjujuwait a minute
22:02.56mindjujumgeary when is your next bday?
22:03.03mgearyDec 28
22:03.19funguswoot, big party for mgeary this year!
22:03.20mgearyyep. big four-zero
22:03.22mindjujuwe've GOT to do a mgeary geek - over - the - hill - partay
22:04.40beandogwoo hoo
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22:18.31supernoviahowdy
22:19.44beandogsupernovia, you missed the high school reunion
22:19.54mindjujuyeah
22:20.05mindjujusupernovia, you're required to bring your HS yearbook tomorrow night
22:20.08supernoviaOh no!
22:20.20mindjuju:)
22:20.29supernoviahehe
22:20.42supernoviaThis instead of icecream flavors?
22:21.00mindjuju:)
22:21.00supernoviaor are you all going to write in there that I am 2 cool 2 be 4 gotten?
22:21.10mindjujurofl
22:21.24beandogheh
22:21.47beandogThis is finally my chance to get people to write in my yearbook!
22:22.09herlosupernovia: pics or it didn't happen :)
22:22.14supernoviaheheh I am going to have to see what nonsense people wrote in there
22:22.19supernoviaPics of me in HS?
22:22.24herloyup
22:22.26supernoviaI have  a pic of me when I was 21
22:22.38herlothat'll work, for now!
22:22.42herlo:)
22:23.12mindjujubut yearbook for tomorrow
22:23.14mindjujufo sho
22:23.23mindjujuor several pics
22:23.36herlooh, yeah, for sure
22:23.45mindjujuherlo, bringing yearbook?
22:23.52mindjujuk, then pics
22:24.00supernoviahttp://novapages.com/ideablog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/oldme.jpg
22:24.01herlomindjuju: I have no pics of me in HS
22:24.04mindjujuor i call jenn to see if she "knows" where they are
22:24.17herlosupernovia: yeah, that's not good enough.  I like it though :)
22:24.22supernoviaherlo did you have a sister named Jen?
22:24.23mindjujuawesome pic supernovia!
22:24.24herlomindjuju: go ahead, she doesn't
22:24.31herlosupernovia: no, Sara and Melissa
22:24.33mindjujui'm just kidding
22:24.37herlo:)
22:24.38supernovianot highschoolish enough?
22:24.43supernoviaah
22:24.44herlosupernovia: nope
22:25.25supernoviabeandog are you coming tomorrow too?  I will sign your yearbook .. lol
22:25.36beandogI dont know if I have mine
22:25.59supernoviahehe
22:26.04beandogDid anyone else go to summer school?
22:26.37mindjujui did
22:26.49supernoviaI did packets..
22:26.49supernoviaor do you mean you went year round because that's what your school did?
22:27.08beandogpackets?
22:27.26beandogman ... HS ... memory
22:27.29beandogmemories
22:27.39beandoggood times
22:27.42mindjujusupernovia was party animal?
22:27.42herlosupernovia: me too, graduated with a 1.0 gpa (out of 4.0)
22:27.43supernoviayeah you could do packets in lieu of taking a class
22:27.55supernoviaI was a band geek
22:27.56beandogI wonder if they have a website now
22:28.32beandogew, bugly
22:29.30supernoviaI wonder whose highschool has the ugliest webpage
22:29.55mgearymine
22:30.02mgearyhttp://www.timpview.provo.edu/
22:30.17beandoglol
22:30.18beandognice
22:30.20mgearyi can pretty much guarantee
22:30.24beandogmgeary wins
22:30.48beandoglol, this is awesomely bad.
22:31.23beandogsupernovia, slow internet, no cable?  you gotta go give them a smackdown
22:31.59supernoviaOh I think it's just that I'm in the wrong room
22:32.07supernoviamaybe..
22:32.10supernoviahumm
22:32.22supernoviaor maybe it's chrome :-/
22:32.41herlobeandog: are you sure? http://www.alta.k12.ia.us/
22:33.43beandogherlo, no way, at least yours has consistent font sizes and link colors.
22:33.58beandoghttp://www.alta.k12.ia.us/Local/78supply.htm
22:34.01beandogOn the other hand ...
22:34.04herlobeandog: that's not mine
22:34.10supernoviaMy highschool's site has a scrolling marquee!
22:34.11herlothat's in iowa
22:34.13mindjujuboy, i've got you guys's site spanked hardcore
22:34.15mindjujuhttp://edweb.tusd.k12.az.us/Catalina/
22:34.28mindjujuyou CAN'T beat the HTML Marquee tag
22:34.36beandogmarquee++
22:35.01supernoviahttp://www.alpine.k12.ut.us/
22:35.24beandogthats not bad
22:35.40mgearysupernovia: no fair, that's a district site, not a HS site
22:36.06supernoviaoops,
22:36.07supernoviawrong link I guess?
22:36.09supernoviahttp://www.alpine.k12.ut.us/phpApps/genericPage.php?pdid=1822
22:36.41mindjujuhmmm, that's got marquee also
22:36.49mgeary"Pride of the Cave" ??!
22:37.08mindjujuhmm, cloudy background versus bevel lettering
22:37.11mindjujuthat's a match
22:37.17mindjujuin horricity
22:37.21herlowow, high school sites suck!
22:37.35mindjujuyou know, i think mine takes it though
22:37.39mindjujuone 1 thing
22:37.52mindjujugif on the lower page has white background for round pic
22:37.59mindjuju:)
22:38.05mindjujuthat's so oldskool
22:38.46mindjujuthe only that beats that is that rotating gif that says email
22:39.54supernoviaheheh
22:39.54supernoviaafbands.org <- is where I was really schooled
22:39.57supernoviadid you guys see this?
22:39.58supernoviahttp://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell
22:40.30beandogI actually liked the old site
22:41.46supernoviaheheh I had a site that looked -alot- like that back in the day
22:41.46supernoviait had a starfield I'd drawn, and an animated gif sunshine character I'd created
22:41.46supernoviaand two missionaries walking, also an animated gif I'd made..
22:42.22supernoviait was my first website <3
22:42.52beandogyou could make animated gifs?
22:42.53beandogwoah
22:42.55beandogthat's awesome.
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22:47.42supernoviaYeah they were rad
22:47.55supernoviaand that missionary one was pretty hard to draw, too, I might add!
22:48.57supernoviaI also had a midi track playing in the background, and a countdown at the bottom with my number of visitors.  Those were the days.
22:59.14beandogoh, man
22:59.19beandogI remember those days fondly.
22:59.33beandogTrying to hack together CGI perl scripts.
22:59.53supernovialol
23:00.42beandogactually maybe I don't miss that.
23:03.27supernoviaI'm going to upload some of my old gifs for laughs
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23:25.38supernoviad00d. my pepper mariachi band rocks
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23:32.50supernoviacongrats on launching the webhooks thing josephscott :)
23:32.57josephscottthanks
23:34.38supernovialots of possibilities there :)
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