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| 00:15.09 | beandog | soft carrots are really creepy |
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| 00:29.56 | beandog | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/pandora.png |
| 00:30.01 | beandog | you guys seen xkcd.com today? |
| 00:30.03 | beandog | itsa awesome |
| 00:31.08 | mgeary | ~venn diagrams++ |
| 00:36.56 | beandog | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/bl0yq/ |
| 00:36.58 | beandog | cheat sheet |
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| 01:15.20 | cycokilr | nice.. sudo reboot is like a reload page |
| 01:15.38 | cycokilr | and of course sudo shutdown just goes blank |
| 01:15.44 | cycokilr | that's pretty slick |
| 01:57.51 | influx | go west |
| 01:57.56 | influx | go west go west go west |
| 01:58.08 | influx | go east go east go east go east go south |
| 02:07.49 | DexterTheDragon | you are eaten by a grue |
| 02:11.55 | influx | heh |
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| 14:28.28 | ninnypants | morning all |
| 14:34.34 | wps | morning |
| 14:49.56 | Utah_Dave | morning |
| 14:52.26 | jsmith | Morning! |
| 14:52.31 | jsmith | Happy Friday to you! |
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| 15:03.50 | ninnypants | anything interesting happening this weekend? |
| 15:09.31 | mgeary | mission reunion |
| 15:11.01 | jsmith | "Hey... I haven't seen you in fifteen years -- and I didn't like you that well back then!" |
| 15:12.41 | ninnypants | jsmith: that could get chilly |
| 15:13.17 | jsmith | ninnypants: Naw... it's spring here. It was in the 80s yesterda |
| 15:13.30 | jsmith | s/yesterda/yesterday/ |
| 15:13.40 | jsmith | It's already 65 out there right now |
| 15:13.50 | ninnypants | where are you? |
| 15:13.59 | ninnypants | down south? |
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| 15:15.39 | jsmith | I'm in Virginia |
| 15:15.52 | jsmith | Or, as mindjuju would tell you, I'm in God's country. |
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| 15:20.55 | thebigdog | top of the morning all |
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| 15:31.57 | thebigdog | a great way to start the morning |
| 15:39.07 | ninnypants | jsmith: ahh.. I thought it was still cold back east |
| 15:39.21 | ninnypants | morning thebigdog |
| 15:39.56 | jsmith | ninnypants: Nope... It's been absolutely beautiful for the past week. |
| 15:40.20 | jsmith | ninnypants: (we had rain last week, but I wasn't here... I was in Seattle and Alabama) |
| 15:47.04 | thebigdog | man it hailed at my place last night...about the size of huge peas |
| 15:47.17 | thebigdog | pretty cool...we went outside and ran around in it |
| 15:47.37 | DexterTheDragon | you mean in the lightning snow? |
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| 15:49.40 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 15:49.44 | thebigdog | it was crazy last night |
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| 16:27.39 | mindjuju | i'm hungry |
| 16:30.30 | thebigdog | mindjuju: dont be starting that now |
| 16:30.58 | mindjuju | couldn't you imagine though, nice juicy hamburger |
| 16:31.10 | mindjuju | crispy cold lettuce |
| 16:31.22 | mindjuju | crunchy fries |
| 16:31.31 | mindjuju | cold cold Sprite |
| 16:31.45 | mindjuju | oh you know, goodwood ribs |
| 16:31.54 | mindjuju | with tons of bbq sauce |
| 16:32.02 | mindjuju | garlic mash |
| 16:32.50 | thebigdog | i think i am going to get some moochies today |
| 16:32.54 | thebigdog | that sounds really good |
| 16:33.03 | mindjuju | moochies? |
| 16:33.08 | mindjuju | munchies? |
| 16:33.12 | mindjuju | smoochies? |
| 16:33.40 | herlo | mindjuju: moochies is awesome! |
| 16:33.53 | thebigdog | yes it is crazy good |
| 16:34.07 | thebigdog | with a ton of jalapeno sauce on it |
| 16:34.18 | mindjuju | http://www.moochiesmeatballs.com/ ? |
| 16:34.37 | thebigdog | yep that is the place |
| 16:35.48 | mindjuju | well, they have a rueben, they have my interest |
| 16:35.56 | mindjuju | http://www.moochiesmeatballs.com/menu.pdf |
| 16:37.10 | influx | http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/commun/images/linux-evil.png |
| 16:37.23 | thebigdog | mindjuju: the philly is amazing |
| 16:37.27 | thebigdog | and i really really mean that |
| 16:38.24 | thebigdog | herlo: sometimes i dont even know what a code festival is for |
| 16:38.56 | thebigdog | is it to get people to work on your project if you have one |
| 16:41.11 | influx | Going by just the URL, sounds like a giant basecamp. |
| 16:41.13 | influx | err |
| 16:41.52 | influx | like a once-a-year bayloft dea. |
| 16:41.53 | influx | deal |
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| 17:00.31 | herlo | thebigdog: sure |
| 17:00.42 | herlo | influx: betaloft? |
| 17:02.59 | influx | yes |
| 17:03.00 | influx | thank you |
| 17:03.07 | herlo | coolio |
| 17:03.09 | herlo | but not really |
| 17:03.33 | herlo | it's more of a project to invite anyone to come down, we're paying (we is XMission) for breakfast, lunch and dinner so you can hack |
| 17:04.28 | herlo | but we want you to come down and get involved. Maybe create your own project, work on something you think would benefit the world, or just come learn how to get involved in another project... |
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| 17:15.06 | macnewbold | man, i had to come read the food discussion, didn't i |
| 17:15.10 | macnewbold | and not even 11:30am yet |
| 17:21.57 | herlo | lol |
| 17:22.04 | herlo | macnewbold: sorry man |
| 17:23.43 | macnewbold | but hey |
| 17:23.50 | macnewbold | i've been thinking abuot the green pig lately... |
| 17:23.58 | macnewbold | need to go do a $5 lunch special methinks |
| 17:25.23 | thebigdog | i am heading to moochies in a about 20minutes |
| 17:25.28 | thebigdog | and it will be great eats |
| 17:25.57 | thebigdog | i will invite the office to go but i dont think many will come |
| 17:26.00 | macnewbold | FABULOUS FRIDAY......$5.00 LUNCH SPECIALS....4 CHEESE RAVIOLIS IN A PESTO CREAM SAUCE W/ GARLIC BREAD or GRILLED HAM & SWISS SANDWICH W/ KETTLE CHIPS.... |
| 17:26.19 | macnewbold | decisions decisions - they both sound so tasty |
| 17:26.36 | mindjuju | sunsparc, you around? |
| 17:27.44 | thebigdog | macnewbold: get both and take one back for latter |
| 17:27.49 | thebigdog | later |
| 17:30.47 | thebigdog | anyone here using eclipse as their php ide? |
| 17:30.48 | mindjuju | man, what i wouldn't give for a pen and tablet |
| 17:31.02 | mindjuju | ~lart thebigdog and eclipse |
| 17:31.02 | ibot | throws thebigdog and eclipse's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 17:31.18 | fungus | mindjuju, iPad, tomorrow. Finger + tablet. :) |
| 17:31.27 | fungus | even better |
| 17:35.13 | ninnypants | thebigdog: I tried it for a bit but didn't like it |
| 17:44.37 | SunSparc | mindjuju: I am now around |
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| 18:59.32 | mindjuju | hey sunsparc, wasn't there some place in AMFork that you said had good philly cheesesteak? |
| 19:07.19 | jsmith | thebigdog: Why? |
| 19:08.21 | thebigdog | moochies was in a state of remodeling and had too many people in line |
| 19:08.24 | mgeary | thebigdog just found out about the easter buny |
| 19:08.26 | thebigdog | i had to settle for some crown |
| 19:09.08 | thebigdog | mgeary thinks he is so funny...come to find out mgeary's has an easter bunny suit a la "Christmas Story" |
| 19:09.16 | mindjuju | crown burger? there must not have been a whopper king within 50 miles :( |
| 19:09.44 | mindjuju | whopper king is always the right choice, when it comes to getting a burger |
| 19:09.51 | influx | I'm trying to find the list of functions I can call on a mysqli result. |
| 19:10.07 | influx | I'm not sure I've been looking in the right area on php.net/mysqli |
| 19:10.41 | influx | Do any of yous know where I should check? |
| 19:12.59 | stderr | http://us.php.net/manual/en/class.mysqli-result.php |
| 19:18.37 | influx | so I can do something like $numRows = $result->num_rows(); when $result = $mysqli->query($query); |
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| 20:40.17 | PigeonCluster | mindjuju, you know, you're the only one who did an april fools joke on me that i fell for yesterday |
| 20:41.00 | mgeary | ~PigeonCluster |
| 20:41.24 | PigeonCluster | mgeary, eh .. what? |
| 20:42.34 | mgeary | ibot: PigeonCluster is a tasty treat made with molasses, coconut, gravel, and everyone's favorite flying rat |
| 20:42.35 | ibot | okay, mgeary |
| 20:42.42 | mgeary | ~PigeonCluster |
| 20:42.42 | ibot | i guess pigeoncluster is a tasty treat made with molasses, coconut, gravel, and everyone's favorite flying rat |
| 20:42.52 | PigeonCluster | wtf ...? |
| 20:46.00 | wps | ~wft |
| 20:46.01 | ibot | [wft] nothing |
| 20:47.06 | wps | ~mgeary |
| 20:47.07 | ibot | somebody said mgeary was Michael Geary, residing in Provo and working in Orem. a Flash Weenie. NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127, or a person who does not believe vinegar is a condiment |
| 20:49.02 | mgeary | here we go again with the vinegar deal |
| 20:49.09 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 20:49.47 | mgeary | heh. touche |
| 20:50.00 | mgeary | i just grow weary of the vinegar debate |
| 20:50.01 | influx | If memory or space is not an issue, is TINYTEXT better than VARCHAR? |
| 20:50.15 | mgeary | influx: are you storing numbers only? |
| 20:50.18 | mgeary | oh |
| 20:50.22 | mgeary | i read TINYINT, nevermind |
| 20:50.24 | influx | :) |
| 20:50.41 | mgeary | i'd say varchar is better |
| 20:50.46 | mgeary | i believe it's more adapted to indexes |
| 20:51.11 | mgeary | iirc you can only do fulltext indexes on *TEXT fields |
| 20:51.23 | influx | indexes? |
| 20:51.50 | mgeary | ...? |
| 20:51.53 | influx | All I've absorbed so far is that tinytext is faster than varchar because of it having a fixed length |
| 20:52.09 | mgeary | faster for what? |
| 20:52.10 | influx | I don't know what you mean by saying that varchar is more adapted to indexes. |
| 20:52.16 | influx | For retrieving the information. |
| 20:52.24 | mgeary | i dont know that you can put a conventional index on a TINYTEXT field |
| 20:52.30 | mgeary | you cannot on a regular TEXT field |
| 20:52.35 | mgeary | you can only do a fulltext index |
| 20:52.49 | mgeary | so if you want to search or sort on the field, you'd want to go with varchar |
| 20:54.10 | influx | Cool. Thanks. :] |
| 20:56.18 | mgeary | influx: checking up on that, it appears that at least in MySQL 5+, you CAN set a simple index on a text field, but you need to specify a prefix length, which allows you to specify how much of the field is indexed |
| 20:56.41 | mgeary | but i'd just use a varchar |
| 20:56.43 | mgeary | ~premature |
| 20:56.44 | ibot | ACTION "Premature Optimization is the root of all evil!" |
| 21:03.36 | influx | :] |
| 21:08.08 | influx | not sure what to make of this: I tried creating the table "users" with one of the columns "id" being INT and I received an error stating that the range "2147483647" was wider than the maximum allowed "255" |
| 21:08.24 | influx | I |
| 21:08.25 | mgeary | well |
| 21:08.31 | influx | I'm starting to think I should get some sleep when I get home. |
| 21:08.42 | mgeary | first of all, your id fields should always be unsigned INT fields. is this one? |
| 21:08.50 | influx | correct. |
| 21:09.03 | influx | That's what I chose. |
| 21:09.05 | mgeary | are you using a GUI to create the table/field? |
| 21:09.15 | influx | Yes. phpmyadmin |
| 21:09.34 | influx | brb |
| 21:09.37 | mgeary | weird. sounds like it's somehow getting a mixed signal about what to create |
| 21:09.43 | mgeary | try just issuing a create/alter table statement |
| 21:10.23 | jsmith | Amen, brother! |
| 21:10.41 | mgeary | i'd love to be more comfortable with postgres |
| 21:14.54 | influx | eggyknap: Thanks. Very helpful. |
| 21:17.08 | eggyknap | heh |
| 21:18.55 | influx | mgeary: Did you mean to issue an empty create/alter statement? |
| 21:21.52 | herlo | mindjuju: like my logo? Created it really quickly, but if someone can come up with a better version of a wrench, I'm all for it: http://wiki.utos.org/Event:hackUTOS_-_A_Code_Festival |
| 21:28.27 | influx | Oh. |
| 21:28.29 | influx | I'm silly. |
| 21:28.40 | influx | I was confusing setting the length of INT with display width. |
| 21:29.10 | influx | So I thought a length of 255 would set the number limit to 255 |
| 21:29.21 | influx | not how many characters are displayed. |
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| 21:53.25 | mgeary | influx: ah, yeah, i usually use int(10) |
| 21:54.18 | thebigdog | i use int(11) cause mine are bigger than mgeary's |
| 21:54.32 | thebigdog | his only go to 10 and mine go to 11 |
| 21:54.35 | influx | hehehe |
| 21:54.39 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 21:54.46 | influx | now 12, that's just silly |
| 21:55.39 | PoeticIntensity | But then I quit. hehe |
| 21:55.55 | PoeticIntensity | Wish I could convert this place to postrgres, too. |
| 21:56.01 | PoeticIntensity | too entrenched into MySQL. |
| 21:56.19 | influx | I have two tables, one users, and one userAccountType. in "users" I have columns "id," "email," and "password". In "userAccountType" I have columns "id," and "account_type" |
| 21:56.56 | influx | Should I add a column to table userAccountType named "user_id" or am I okay with how it is. |
| 21:56.59 | influx | ? |
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| 22:01.52 | orsonj | I think you are fine as is |
| 22:03.05 | influx | Cool. Then I'll just create an entry in both tables at the same time when a user is registered. |
| 22:04.54 | orsonj | I'd think you just setup the userAccountType table once, then just refer to it in the users table |
| 22:05.53 | influx | How? |
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| 22:07.23 | orsonj | or just do away with the userAccountType table. It seems a little redundant |
| 22:07.41 | orsonj | (unless I am misunderstanding you |
| 22:08.14 | influx | You aren't. |
| 22:09.00 | influx | I saw this kind of setup on a project I had worked on, and assumed the senior programmer knew better than me, so I emulated. |
| 22:10.04 | orsonj | It does allow you to display a list of all availabel account types if you have it in a separate table, so there is some merrit to it. |
| 22:10.40 | orsonj | s/bad spelling/good spelling/ |
| 22:10.42 | influx | :0 |
| 22:10.42 | influx | :) |
| 22:10.58 | thebigdog | influx you should have a FK to the userAccountType in your users table |
| 22:11.16 | thebigdog | and then have userAccountType populated at initial load of the db |
| 22:11.38 | thebigdog | influx fyi userAccountType can also be role type too |
| 22:13.19 | thebigdog | man i wish php support annotations/decorators |
| 22:18.01 | influx | arr. I don't think this system supports FK. |
| 22:18.06 | influx | it's MyISAM. |
| 22:18.37 | thebigdog | well the code can support it |
| 22:18.54 | orsonj | (you can do it manually) |
| 22:21.26 | influx | manually? |
| 22:23.59 | orsonj | you would have to maintain integrity of the key relationships yourself instead of the database |
| 22:24.25 | orsonj | (ie. if you deleted an account type, you would have to delete all users with that account type yourself) |
| 22:25.40 | orsonj | you can still have the foreign keys, but the database wouldn't know they were foreign keys. You can still do joins on them, etc. but the db doesn't treat them special. |
| 22:27.18 | influx | ah |
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| 22:37.19 | wps | I have a form with a file field |
| 22:37.32 | wps | it posts to a script that has this on the first line: |
| 22:37.37 | wps | print_r($_FILES);die; |
| 22:38.10 | wps | I submit the form and the browser spins and then stops with nothing |
| 22:38.20 | wps | I'm at a lost as to how to debug |
| 22:38.30 | stderr | ... remove the print_r() and die statements, those look like they were inserted for debugging |
| 22:39.05 | wps | I put them there, trying to figure out why it's not working |
| 22:39.10 | stderr | oh, you're wondering where the files are |
| 22:39.20 | stderr | you got multipart on the form? |
| 22:39.21 | wps | shouldn't $_FILES contain something (error or success)? |
| 22:39.29 | wps | yes |
| 22:39.34 | wps | it works with small files |
| 22:39.49 | wps | meaning, I upload a 700 k and the $_FILES array contains the file |
| 22:39.54 | wps | I upload 8 MB and get nothing |
| 22:40.12 | wps | shouldn't it at least have an error (over max size or something)? |
| 22:40.12 | stderr | php.ini upload file limit? |
| 22:40.25 | stderr | not if you're killing it right away with an exit |
| 22:40.45 | wps | but I die() after the print_r |
| 22:40.56 | wps | php.ini max upload size is 10 MB |
| 22:40.58 | stderr | http://www.php.net/manual/en/features.file-upload.common-pitfalls.php |
| 22:41.02 | wps | so I'm under |
| 22:41.12 | wps | but even if I was over, shouldn't there be an error that says such? |
| 22:41.36 | wps | thanks for the link |
| 22:41.40 | wps | perhaps it's a memory issue |
| 22:42.46 | wps | so if I can't even get the file onto the server to read it's filesize, how can I return an intelligent error to the user? |
| 22:43.19 | orsonj | try var_dump to see what it gives |
| 22:43.38 | wps | how would I do that, orsonj ? |
| 22:43.45 | wps | (I'm not familiar with var_dump) |
| 22:43.45 | orsonj | instead of print_r |
| 22:43.56 | wps | ahâ¦Â yeahâ¦Â I've seen that before |
| 22:44.02 | orsonj | It gives a bit more detail than print_r |
| 22:49.53 | wps | I changed it to var_dump |
| 22:49.58 | wps | submitted again |
| 22:50.06 | wps | the browser spun and spunâ¦Â and then the same thingâ¦Â nothing |
| 22:50.25 | wps | I wish that you could limit the size of file that they could select |
| 22:50.36 | wps | so that they couldn't even select and attempt to upload a file that was too large |
| 22:51.49 | orsonj | you might look at http://swfupload.org/ |
| 22:52.04 | wps | waitâ¦Â I think I have something in the log |
| 22:52.15 | orsonj | cool logs++ |
| 22:52.35 | orsonj | of course, that is for the front end, not the back end. |
| 22:54.30 | orsonj | might also check $_GET and $_POST to see if it got in there somehow |
| 22:55.11 | wps | memory exhausted |
| 22:55.46 | wps | ah! |
| 22:56.41 | wps | I am creating thumbnails on the fly and it's running out of memory trying to create a thumbnail of an 8 MB file |
| 22:57.01 | orsonj | makes sense |
| 22:57.17 | wps | I'm going to try changing the upload limit from 10M to 3 MB |
| 22:57.50 | wps | to see if it can create a thumbnail with a 3 MB file |
| 22:59.36 | orsonj | what is ini_get('memory_limit') |
| 23:00.07 | wps | 1.5 MB worked |
| 23:00.17 | wps | testing 4.5 MB (with 3 MB limit) |
| 23:01.08 | macnewbold | you might be able to simply bump up the memory limit if you want |
| 23:01.15 | macnewbold | but then it might get slow |
| 23:01.38 | wps | well, I don't see why anyone uploading a headshot of themselves needs a limit over 3 MB |
| 23:01.58 | wps | a-hah! I got an errorâ¦Â over-the-size-limit |
| 23:02.16 | wps | back when I was trying 10 MB, it must have been a memory thing |
| 23:02.49 | wps | so, the question is: |
| 23:03.17 | wps | if they try to upload a photo that is so large that the memory limit is reached and the script craps out, how do I return an intelligent error to the user? |
| 23:03.38 | wps | memory limit in php.ini is 32 MB |
| 23:06.39 | macnewbold | i'd just make sure that the memory limit and the file limit are far enough apart that you can't get the memory error for that given size |
| 23:06.52 | macnewbold | ie. mem limit = 4x file size limit |
| 23:07.57 | wps | but if the user tries to upload a 10 MB file and it doesn't work, they think that the website is broken (and not them) |
| 23:08.22 | wps | and then they get mad and call complaining how they can't upload their file and how the website is broken |
| 23:08.34 | wps | even though there are clear instructions that stake the minimum file requirements |
| 23:08.44 | wps | is there no way technologically/ |
| 23:08.51 | wps | s///?/ |
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