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| 02:29.33 | mindjuju | i just did a 70k csv record insert int SQL 7, i feel all dirty |
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| 02:30.37 | mindjuju | ~lart utah_dave |
| 02:30.37 | ibot | frags utah_dave with his BFG9000 |
| 02:32.01 | Utah_Dave | ~lart mindjuju |
| 02:32.01 | ibot | throws mindjuju's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 02:32.10 | Utah_Dave | Oh, that's just cold |
| 02:32.12 | optikal | Why do you feel dirty? |
| 02:32.14 | mindjuju | hey, i have a dog |
| 02:32.18 | Utah_Dave | See what you made me do, mindjuju? |
| 02:32.20 | mindjuju | call him onkey |
| 02:32.26 | mindjuju | oops, call him monkey |
| 02:32.34 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 02:32.46 | mindjuju | optikal, it's just a crappy dbase |
| 02:32.56 | mindjuju | i hated it back in 2000, i hates it now |
| 02:33.18 | optikal | As opposed to what, Oracle? |
| 02:33.55 | mindjuju | can't compare |
| 02:34.06 | mindjuju | is that what you're using these days? |
| 02:34.28 | optikal | I dont think it's "crappy"... perhaps not suitable to your needs, but MS SQL is a fairly robust and respected dbms |
| 02:34.44 | optikal | It's what we use at work. I wasn't keen on it when I started but I really have nothing bad to say about it. |
| 02:34.57 | optikal | I use Postgres for personal projects |
| 02:34.58 | mindjuju | i will give you that, it's much better in its later iteration |
| 02:35.30 | mindjuju | so, i'm running an ms 2k5 sql server in production for the web site |
| 02:35.46 | mindjuju | but this is for internal use dbase that is ms sql 7 |
| 02:36.02 | mindjuju | table is (i crap you not) prolly 50 cols with 80% of it null |
| 02:36.24 | optikal | hahah nice |
| 02:36.40 | mindjuju | are ya'll running 2k5 or 2k8? |
| 02:36.44 | optikal | Why the hell are you using SQL 7? Thats 12 years old or something... |
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| 02:36.57 | mindjuju | d00d, that's what i'm saying! |
| 02:37.08 | mindjuju | i can't even access it with ms sql server management studio |
| 02:37.11 | mindjuju | it refuses! |
| 02:37.16 | optikal | SQL 9 (2k5) |
| 02:37.19 | mindjuju | i had to find the install cd and put enterprise manager |
| 02:37.35 | mindjuju | ah, yeah i like 2k5, was thinking for a moment, you might be running 2k8 |
| 02:37.40 | mindjuju | i've heard good things |
| 02:38.26 | optikal | Would like to be but we're just getting onboard with Exchange 2010 |
| 02:39.05 | optikal | We're beginning to do some pretty crazy data warehousing within our 2k5 environment, it's slick |
| 02:39.24 | optikal | ETL, OLAP, OLTP, etc |
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| 02:44.47 | mindjuju | i'd lvoe to do data warehousing |
| 02:45.33 | optikal | Not me. They originally tasked me with it but we ended up hiring a big dog dba/engineer to do it |
| 02:48.52 | beandog | ~warehouse mindjuju |
| 02:49.00 | beandog | spatula city! |
| 02:50.02 | optikal | I'm leading our IT Administrator team right now... it's pretty decent but I miss doing web dev heh |
| 02:50.25 | mindjuju | @beandog - badgers? we don't need no stinking badgers! |
| 02:50.33 | mindjuju | @optikal - i'd love to head that way |
| 02:51.30 | beandog | oh man |
| 02:51.36 | beandog | uhf++ |
| 02:52.02 | mindjuju | havent' seen that in a while |
| 02:52.47 | Utah_Dave | Hey, I'm having problems with a 2.5 gig zipfile that was uploaded by a client. I'm thinking the zip file might be corrupted, but I might be doing something wrong |
| 02:52.55 | Utah_Dave | I'm on Centos. |
| 02:53.09 | beandog | "uploaded" by a "client" |
| 02:53.13 | Utah_Dave | all I have to do to unzip it in the current directory is: unzip myfile.zip |
| 02:53.14 | beandog | ;) |
| 02:53.15 | Utah_Dave | right? |
| 02:53.18 | mindjuju | i agree, utah dave has issues |
| 02:53.34 | beandog | ~pirate Utah_Dave |
| 02:53.35 | ibot | ACTION illegally downloads Utah_Dave and shares Utah_Dave with all his friends |
| 02:53.46 | Utah_Dave | ha ha. :) |
| 02:53.51 | Utah_Dave | ~lart beandog |
| 02:53.51 | ibot | strangles beandog with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 02:54.09 | mindjuju | sorry utah_Dave, i'm just barely learning how to tar and untar on linux, don't know about zips |
| 02:54.18 | beandog | Utah_Dave: unfoo |
| 02:54.20 | mindjuju | i mean, on winders i can do it just fine, on linux? |
| 02:54.30 | optikal | mindjuju: What are you doing right now? |
| 02:54.31 | Utah_Dave | This actually is a zipfile of images a client wants on the site. |
| 02:54.32 | beandog | http://obsoleet.org/code/unfoo/ |
| 02:54.53 | mindjuju | @optikal, cleaning my office (mandatory) and listening to ravetrax.com |
| 02:54.54 | mindjuju | u? |
| 02:55.28 | optikal | I actually meant for work, heh. |
| 02:56.08 | optikal | But presently I am at work, cloning some trade servers for developer testing on some new modules. |
| 02:57.31 | mindjuju | web dev + sys admin (internet facing servers) + dba + a little GD + multimedia engy (camera, lights, audio {setup|), capture, produce, stream |
| 02:57.40 | mindjuju | ...sigh... |
| 02:57.44 | mindjuju | life is busy |
| 02:57.56 | mindjuju | + ful time student |
| 02:58.21 | optikal | ugh |
| 02:58.30 | optikal | I hated be that guy at my previous company |
| 02:58.40 | mindjuju | yeah, but i've got hella job security |
| 02:58.54 | optikal | Spread so damn thin that you never have time to be proactive on things you really want or need to be |
| 02:59.06 | optikal | hehe yeah, this is true... I did too. |
| 02:59.14 | mindjuju | well, you've got a point though |
| 02:59.20 | mindjuju | it's hard to focus long on any 1 thing |
| 02:59.26 | optikal | Currently do too. Job security is a very nice thing. |
| 02:59.28 | mindjuju | i'm constantly spinning this or that |
| 03:00.28 | mindjuju | i'd lvoe to find a nice little sys admin job for an office |
| 03:00.36 | mindjuju | sit in the basement with all blikenlights |
| 03:00.53 | mindjuju | things slow down a pinch and could actually study a little... |
| 03:00.59 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, the zip file was corrupted |
| 03:01.16 | optikal | heh, not quite like that here... more like sit in our SOC with 10 42" monitors, 1 60", and 4 19" all displaying monitoring metrics |
| 03:01.27 | beandog | *sigh* |
| 03:01.32 | beandog | ~lart wordpress |
| 03:01.32 | ibot | frags wordpress with his BFG9000 |
| 03:01.32 | mindjuju | so utah_Dave, out of curiosity, how do you work with zips on linux, what command? |
| 03:01.46 | mindjuju | d00d, that monitor display sounds AWESOME! |
| 03:01.47 | beandog | unzip |
| 03:01.48 | Utah_Dave | unzip ./crappy_zip_file.zip |
| 03:01.57 | mindjuju | i'm actually running 4 21 inch monitors |
| 03:02.12 | mindjuju | and a command chair capt. kirk would be jealous of |
| 03:02.39 | optikal | Nice. My workstation is 2x30" infront, a 1x24" to my right, and a 15" laptop to my left |
| 03:02.52 | mindjuju | nice! |
| 03:02.54 | optikal | 2560x1600 on each of the 30s, I hate doing anything from home now heh |
| 03:03.31 | mindjuju | i was runnig 16x12 on the monitors, but they aren't all that |
| 03:03.37 | mindjuju | and was starting to get blurry |
| 03:03.40 | beandog | it's all that |
| 03:03.42 | mindjuju | so i had to step it back a little |
| 03:03.44 | beandog | baby |
| 03:04.08 | mindjuju | beandog, your a sys admin these days aren't you? |
| 03:04.10 | optikal | ahha, I do have some pics |
| 03:04.12 | optikal | http://failcore.com/SOC/ |
| 03:04.15 | beandog | mindjuju: sure |
| 03:04.17 | optikal | That was before we added 2 more 42" |
| 03:04.35 | mindjuju | oh man |
| 03:04.37 | beandog | optikal: needs more games |
| 03:04.47 | mindjuju | mine sux |
| 03:05.06 | optikal | beandog: haha, we have a Dish feed connected that I can flip onto any one, or all, of the monitors, as well as a HDMI input for bringing in the occasional console ;) |
| 03:05.09 | mindjuju | even my sony projector that plays visualizations at night while i code is crying for being le sux |
| 03:05.24 | optikal | whaa |
| 03:05.33 | optikal | You have a projector just to play visualizations while you sleep? |
| 03:05.43 | beandog | thats a little odd. |
| 03:05.47 | optikal | I'm missing the point here... |
| 03:05.50 | beandog | I wanna get one of those star projector thingies. |
| 03:05.56 | optikal | Do you... sleep with your eyes open!? |
| 03:06.03 | mindjuju | the projector is in my office |
| 03:06.12 | beandog | ~mindjuju |
| 03:06.12 | ibot | hmm... mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or the Prophet of Breakbeats, or sweat sexy hawtness, or a Texan, or wears his snuggie in the buff, or has a thing for hawt sitcom moms, or likes ponicals |
| 03:06.20 | mindjuju | it's directly connected to my computer that plays music |
| 03:06.26 | mindjuju | all it does is do visualizations |
| 03:06.39 | beandog | heh |
| 03:06.40 | beandog | ~beandog |
| 03:06.41 | ibot | well, beandog is the gentoo guru, or a wannabe racer. a skater. the enlightened one, or <3 Janeway, or a non-girl, or has a large intestine filled with mealworms |
| 03:06.41 | mindjuju | i mean, its a fully functional projector, i could have it do other things, |
| 03:07.02 | mindjuju | Crusher > Janeway |
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| 03:07.07 | mindjuju | on any day and twice on a Sunday |
| 03:07.18 | beandog | pfft. |
| 03:07.22 | beandog | ~check mindjuju's eyes |
| 03:07.23 | ibot | ACTION slams mindjuju's eyes into the glass nose first |
| 03:07.27 | beandog | LOL |
| 03:07.33 | beandog | ~bravo ibot |
| 03:07.36 | mindjuju | psh |
| 03:07.43 | optikal | brb afk |
| 03:07.46 | beandog | mindjuju: when you gonna come over |
| 03:07.51 | beandog | You *really* missed out |
| 03:07.59 | beandog | Neverending story was *awesome* on bluray |
| 03:08.56 | mindjuju | i need to get up there to watch a movie with corban |
| 03:09.06 | mindjuju | send tiff off to be with her friends |
| 03:09.19 | beandog | do it. |
| 03:09.57 | mindjuju | this weekend is his bday, but i think i could pull of next weekend |
| 03:10.10 | beandog | yah? |
| 03:10.11 | beandog | right on. |
| 03:12.24 | beandog | alrightie then |
| 03:12.29 | beandog | I'm going to venture out into the wild world of nature. |
| 03:12.38 | beandog | Maybe Ill pick up that dead bird off the sidewalk. |
| 03:12.48 | beandog | Rabies would be fun and exciting. |
| 03:13.02 | mindjuju | yeah, use no less than a garbage bag if you're going to do that |
| 03:13.12 | mindjuju | and don't be breathing in around that thing |
| 03:13.16 | mindjuju | it can be v dangerous |
| 03:13.23 | beandog | mindjuju: oh yah? I hadnt considered breathing. Hmm. |
| 03:13.26 | beandog | good call man. |
| 03:13.38 | beandog | Ive got a better idea. Ill dump it in my neighbor's yard. |
| 03:14.04 | mindjuju | http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/westnile/qa/wnv_birds.htm |
| 03:14.05 | beandog | They have a dog. Obviously they love animals. |
| 03:14.17 | mindjuju | that's for west nile, but i've heard birds can have other nasties |
| 03:15.04 | beandog | However, if you live in Salt Lake County, the Salt Lake County Health Department is conducting a research study and might have interest in testing your dead bird. You may contact them at (801) 534-4572. |
| 03:15.29 | beandog | If you find a dead bird in your yard use standard levels of precaution when handling it. Do not pick up a dead bird with your bare hands. Birds die from a variety of causes, and it is important to be cautious. If possible, wear rubber or latex gloves. If gloves are not available, invert a plastic bag over your hand, pick up the bird and un-invert the bag. Seal the bag with the bird inside, then place inside a second plastic bag. Seal the second pl |
| 03:15.29 | beandog | astic bag. If available, Ziploc-type bags work well. |
| 03:15.31 | beandog | Freak. |
| 03:15.36 | beandog | They are hardcore. |
| 03:15.49 | mindjuju | yup |
| 03:15.54 | beandog | I dont have *rubber* gloves |
| 03:15.58 | beandog | I do have the uh |
| 03:15.59 | mindjuju | i'd personally pick it up with a hazmat suit |
| 03:15.59 | beandog | wahtever kind. |
| 03:16.00 | mindjuju | :) |
| 03:16.13 | mindjuju | that reminds me of a funny story when i was RA |
| 03:16.17 | beandog | the thing is it is *right* on the sidewalk |
| 03:16.27 | beandog | its anyone guess how many people's dogs have licked that thing in the past 24 hours. |
| 03:18.22 | beandog | Why does it matter if the bag is inverted? |
| 03:18.24 | beandog | I dont get that part.. |
| 03:18.43 | mindjuju | i think they are saying put the mouth of the bag over the bird and scoop it in |
| 03:18.49 | mindjuju | don't pick up the bird and drop it in the bag |
| 03:18.52 | DexterTheDragon | like poop |
| 03:18.57 | mindjuju | like poop |
| 03:19.00 | beandog | uh |
| 03:19.01 | mindjuju | :) |
| 03:19.06 | beandog | I'm not practiced in poop picking ways. |
| 03:19.20 | beandog | thankfully. |
| 03:20.02 | beandog | ~summon DexterTheDragon |
| 03:20.03 | ibot | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing DexterTheDragon's coordinates |
| 03:20.22 | DexterTheDragon | who's apt? |
| 03:20.49 | influx | Run's apt |
| 03:21.34 | Utah_Dave | DexterTheDragon: way to jump into the conversation with, "like poop" |
| 03:21.40 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 03:21.53 | DexterTheDragon | thats what I'm here for |
| 03:22.10 | beandog | ~DexterTheDragon++ |
| 03:24.18 | mindjuju | d00d, this is going to be tasty |
| 03:24.51 | mindjuju | oh wait, it's a big of mustardly pretzles |
| 03:25.53 | beandog | ye olde big. |
| 03:26.13 | mindjuju | ? |
| 03:26.40 | beandog | ^^ |
| 03:26.44 | beandog | ~read mindjuju |
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| 03:29.41 | mindjuju | so beandog, being that you're from the south, and depending on what part of the south you're from, things play out different, i want to ask you a personal question |
| 03:29.51 | mindjuju | do you go dry rub or sauce on your bbq? |
| 03:30.07 | DexterTheDragon | man thats a private thing |
| 03:30.10 | beandog | uh |
| 03:30.20 | mindjuju | yup, it tis |
| 03:30.25 | beandog | I never did like sauce. |
| 03:30.31 | mindjuju | yup, dry rub |
| 03:30.42 | mindjuju | a little sauce is good for afterward i think |
| 03:30.43 | DexterTheDragon | depends on what your doing |
| 03:30.50 | beandog | mindjuju: you want some *real* bbq, go down to an asado in argentina |
| 03:30.52 | beandog | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 03:30.52 | mindjuju | but dry rub |
| 03:31.09 | mindjuju | any place around here that has it? |
| 03:31.42 | mindjuju | you know what would be really good right now |
| 03:31.47 | mindjuju | buffalo wings |
| 03:31.55 | mindjuju | with tons of sauce |
| 03:32.02 | beandog | meh |
| 03:32.08 | DexterTheDragon | i want that porterhouse steak |
| 03:32.15 | beandog | steak++ |
| 03:32.21 | mindjuju | yeah, true that |
| 03:32.27 | mindjuju | but i'm past the porterhouse dreaming now |
| 03:32.46 | beandog | Okay |
| 03:32.53 | beandog | Im going to make myself go outside. |
| 03:32.55 | beandog | air off. |
| 03:32.57 | beandog | lates. |
| 03:33.05 | DexterTheDragon | you go outside at strange times |
| 03:33.07 | mindjuju | cya |
| 03:38.25 | TuxToaster_ | mindjuju: you have my sympathy with the SQL 7 fun you're having |
| 03:38.30 | TuxToaster_ | (just read up in the chat) |
| 03:40.08 | TuxToaster_ | last place I worked used it for a long time, I was able to get them to migrate away from it luckily but yeah, it's not very pleasant to work with |
| 03:40.46 | mgeary | hey, any C coders around? |
| 03:54.05 | beandog | its cold out there. |
| 03:54.12 | beandog | Im gonna go play The Third Age |
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| 13:12.57 | cycokilr | i think i'm going to start using sybase's ASE exclusively.. |
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| 14:08.58 | TuxToaster | I never have used Sybase directly. |
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| 14:36.09 | ninnypants | morning all |
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| 16:17.05 | DexterTheDragon | carmony: ping |
| 16:17.14 | carmony | DexterTheDragon: pong! |
| 16:17.22 | DexterTheDragon | going to lunch today? |
| 16:17.57 | carmony | I was hoping to try to make it |
| 16:18.02 | carmony | but not positive yet |
| 16:18.03 | carmony | you/ |
| 16:18.13 | DexterTheDragon | yeah |
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| 16:19.49 | DexterTheDragon | carmony: know of anyone else who might be going? |
| 16:20.09 | carmony | other than the army of ruby developers? :P |
| 16:20.52 | DexterTheDragon | wouldn't exactly call 3 an army |
| 16:21.15 | carmony | haha, true :P |
| 16:21.21 | carmony | well, I'm inviitng my friend again |
| 16:28.27 | carmony | cro: you gonna be around for the geek lunch? :) |
| 16:29.23 | cro | carmony: I'm so sorry, I really want to come but my day is totally booked. |
| 16:29.32 | cro | not sure if I will even get lunch of any kind :-) |
| 16:29.34 | carmony | cro: np :) |
| 16:29.41 | carmony | ah, gotta love those days |
| 16:39.19 | stderr | rvm system |
| 16:40.05 | DexterTheDragon | using system ruby |
| 16:41.24 | stderr | yea, my default is 1.9.1 with a Rails 3 centric gemset but most of the work apps are in 1.8.7 |
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| 17:00.32 | thebigdog | almost lunch and I got a delicious donut to eat |
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| 17:09.26 | mgeary | man, i really love web scraping projects |
| 17:10.15 | ninnypants | mgeary: what do you have to do? |
| 17:10.36 | mgeary | i do all kinds of scraping things. i wasn't being sarcastic, it's really a lot of fun |
| 17:10.51 | mgeary | assuming you can use python. PHP isn't great for scraping projects. |
| 17:11.14 | ninnypants | I never minded srcaping things with php |
| 17:11.32 | ninnypants | and that was before I knew regex |
| 17:11.52 | mgeary | did you ever have to deal with stateful requests that required cookie support and xpath node parsing? |
| 17:12.02 | mgeary | 'cause that'd be a massive nightmare with php |
| 17:12.05 | ninnypants | nepe |
| 17:12.09 | ninnypants | nope |
| 17:13.42 | DexterTheDragon | I did statefule request scraping with php |
| 17:13.54 | mgeary | yeah, that'd be awful |
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| 17:14.22 | DexterTheDragon | I sitll have nightmares of the regex html parser |
| 17:14.38 | ninnypants | what exactly does it ental? |
| 17:14.56 | mgeary | what's beautiful about the python tools is that i almost never have to fall back to regex; lxml does almost everything i need |
| 17:16.12 | influx | Fire baaaaad. |
| 17:17.10 | ninnypants | influx: ? |
| 17:22.14 | carmony | yuck, I would want to web scrape in PHP :P |
| 17:22.20 | carmony | but I wouldn't want to scrape in general |
| 17:23.14 | mgeary | it's a surprising amount of fun |
| 17:23.53 | DexterTheDragon | I love scraping |
| 17:24.54 | mgeary | though you do develop a passionate hate for hand-crafted html |
| 17:31.15 | influx | ... |
| 17:31.38 | influx | poorly hand-crafted html is what you mean, I assume. |
| 17:31.58 | mgeary | yeah |
| 17:32.13 | mgeary | i did a thing where i collected all the presidential speech transcripts from a latin american country |
| 17:32.18 | mgeary | there were like 800 of them |
| 17:32.26 | mgeary | you'd think they were in a database.... |
| 17:32.30 | mgeary | .... but you'd be wrong |
| 17:32.51 | mgeary | so there were all kinds of inconsistencies from one speech to the next |
| 17:33.01 | mgeary | different ways of styling the location, the date, the title, etc. |
| 17:33.14 | mgeary | so it's not even poor html, it's the inconsistency that kills you |
| 17:34.05 | influx | Sounds like a circle of hell. |
| 17:34.21 | mgeary | it's kind of a fun challenge. sometimes. |
| 17:43.08 | DexterTheDragon | carmony: so ya going to make it? |
| 17:43.15 | carmony | bah, I dont think so |
| 17:43.50 | DexterTheDragon | slacker |
| 17:44.42 | influx | What's happening tonight? |
| 17:56.23 | mindjuju | another Adobe CS version? |
| 17:56.32 | mindjuju | ...sigh... that's another itereation i'm behind |
| 18:05.27 | PoeticIntensity | How did the fire go yesterday, mindjuju ? |
| 18:05.33 | PoeticIntensity | Everything get rolled back okay?\ |
| 18:07.32 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:08.55 | mindjuju | when MJ is on the scene everything turns to green |
| 18:09.00 | mindjuju | that's how things roll |
| 18:09.15 | mindjuju | in the words of thebigdog Boom goes the dynamite |
| 18:09.32 | thebigdog | that is how it goes |
| 18:09.32 | mindjuju | (yeah, i know its from that one tv anchor) |
| 18:09.41 | thebigdog | yes it is |
| 18:10.22 | mindjuju | For those who haven't seen that VERY painful clip, here it is - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W45DRy7M1no |
| 18:13.30 | thebigdog | it is hilarious |
| 18:13.47 | mindjuju | poor guys stutters and trips over his words like 100x |
| 18:15.19 | thebigdog | but that one phrase was worth it |
| 18:15.42 | thebigdog | to have will smith drop it too |
| 18:16.53 | mindjuju | will smith did? |
| 18:23.42 | thebigdog | yeah check that on utube |
| 18:23.50 | thebigdog | it was at an awards show |
| 18:23.57 | thebigdog | and then went crazy from there |
| 18:25.00 | mgeary | ~snow |
| 18:25.01 | ibot | it has been said that snow is cold, or white, or comes down in flakes, or cocaine |
| 18:28.32 | mindjuju | yeah, crazy |
| 18:28.57 | mindjuju | so, it seems like heartsbane did something once on ubuntu that i can't find how to do on google, not even sure how to look it up |
| 18:29.11 | mindjuju | but what he did, if i understood correctly, was that he specified where to download his updates from |
| 18:29.15 | mindjuju | and i think he told it xmission |
| 18:29.25 | mindjuju | does that sound possible to anybody? |
| 18:30.09 | thebigdog | yes |
| 18:30.17 | mindjuju | what do i look up? |
| 18:30.23 | thebigdog | update location |
| 18:30.38 | mindjuju | awesome, thx |
| 18:30.58 | thebigdog | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu |
| 18:31.22 | thebigdog | you should be able to change the source list |
| 18:31.24 | mindjuju | awesome! thx |
| 18:36.19 | thebigdog | mindjuju: np |
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| 19:03.47 | mindjuju | i think i prefer jsmith when he is jsmith-away |
| 19:03.52 | mindjuju | ;p |
| 19:04.09 | jsmith | mindjuju: Ouch! |
| 19:04.19 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:04.24 | mindjuju | you i'm just jealous |
| 19:04.28 | jsmith | mindjuju: Just for that, I'm not bringing you any sushi from Seattle, or Cajun from the deep south... |
| 19:04.37 | jsmith | mindjuju: Or Popeye's Chicken either... |
| 19:04.55 | mindjuju | dag! |
| 19:04.58 | mindjuju | that's harsh! |
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| 19:14.12 | thebigdog | anyone here running drupal with ecommerce module? I am looking to see what is out there for ecommerce in drupal |
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| 19:28.52 | TuxToaster | is it Friday yet? |
| 19:29.10 | TuxToaster | oh, wait it is! /me runs home. |
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| 19:58.22 | ninnypants | has anybody here tethered the motorola droid with fedora? |
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| 20:54.39 | mindjuju | ~lart DtD |
| 20:54.39 | ibot | changes DtD's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 20:54.44 | mindjuju | yup, works |
| 20:54.53 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart mindjuju |
| 20:54.53 | ibot | hits mindjuju with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 20:54.57 | DexterTheDragon | better |
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| 21:24.55 | carmony | aaaaarrrrrggggg |
| 21:25.26 | carmony | lol |
| 21:25.29 | mindjuju | what up carmony |
| 21:25.38 | carmony | dealing with this Java developer |
| 21:25.50 | carmony | who did some custom coding for a company I do work with |
| 21:26.07 | carmony | he was a friend of the owner, so no real formal contracts were ever signed |
| 21:26.24 | utahcon | and no real code was written |
| 21:26.33 | carmony | oh its real |
| 21:26.37 | carmony | and running in production |
| 21:26.42 | carmony | and he is now hijacking the code |
| 21:26.52 | mindjuju | yuck |
| 21:27.14 | carmony | its a nightmare |
| 21:27.19 | carmony | once we get this all figured out |
| 21:27.30 | carmony | it'll have to tell you guys at UPHPU after hours :) |
| 21:28.32 | carmony | but the bottom line is this, I don't care if the man is my brother, from now on, if we're doing business stuff for real business dollars, there is a contract, period :P |
| 21:29.26 | mindjuju | carmony, here is my first rule of business |
| 21:29.36 | mindjuju | only do business with people you can yell at |
| 21:29.47 | mindjuju | ie, no family |
| 21:29.47 | carmony | haha, very trye |
| 21:29.48 | carmony | true |
| 21:29.50 | mindjuju | no friends |
| 21:29.58 | mindjuju | bidness is bidness |
| 21:30.05 | mgeary | you mean people you can't yell at? |
| 21:30.21 | mgeary | i can yell at family & friends, but i wouldn't yell at most of my clients |
| 21:30.43 | mindjuju | sorry, semi distracted |
| 21:31.33 | mindjuju | trying to get all done before 4p so i can go home |
| 21:33.11 | supernovia | oh noes, the dread google logout loop |
| 21:34.08 | macnewbold | yeah, even if you'd never end up trying to enforce the contract, having one is extremely helpful for clarifying expectations |
| 21:34.08 | mindjuju | logout loop? |
| 21:34.18 | macnewbold | oftehn they're way further off than either of you thinks. |
| 21:37.33 | supernovia | humm, not a logout loop issues. Gmail and my google apps mail aren't working on this laptop . weird. |
| 21:38.19 | mindjuju | weird |
| 21:38.43 | supernovia | s/issues/issue/ |
| 21:40.40 | supernovia | maybe an https issue in general actually. Hm. |
| 21:57.37 | carmony | well to give some generals, this guy has said he has spent over the last 8 years he has spent 10k hours on a project |
| 21:57.42 | carmony | the company has only been around for 6 |
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| 22:00.07 | supernovia | sounds like a winner, carmony :-/ |
| 22:02.10 | supernovia | carmony you use a Mac, right? |
| 22:02.52 | supernovia | and hi, beandog |
| 22:03.03 | beandog | o hai |
| 22:03.22 | carmony | supernovia: yup |
| 22:03.48 | supernovia | how's it going? |
| 22:03.48 | supernovia | I'm thinking I need to buy new adobe products. and I'm not buying for windows again |
| 22:04.06 | mindjuju | you're getting CS5? |
| 22:04.09 | carmony | Well, I like my Mac, but they are expensive |
| 22:04.22 | supernovia | They really are expensive :-S |
| 22:04.22 | supernovia | UVU has discounts though... |
| 22:04.30 | fungus | Apple doesn't make a pink laptop though |
| 22:04.36 | supernovia | and yeah mindjuju, I'm afraid I've about worn my PS7 out |
| 22:04.56 | supernovia | hehe, I think I'd survive |
| 22:05.12 | supernovia | actually this would be a desktop tool. Got some files yesterday that my poor winders cranked on for about 5 minutes before it could open :-S |
| 22:05.23 | supernovia | s/tool/too/ |
| 22:05.29 | mindjuju | yipes |
| 22:05.40 | carmony | fungus: they have a pink case though :P |
| 22:06.42 | fungus | supernovia, if you're gonna get a mac desktop wait for summer. Rumors of new MacPro's then. |
| 22:07.16 | fungus | eh, but MacPros get really pricey |
| 22:07.37 | fungus | the iMac's are really nice too. |
| 22:07.39 | supernovia | yeah I don't need pricey, just need function so I can work without having to clock out in between opening files :-p |
| 22:08.22 | influx | iMac's probably the way to go. |
| 22:09.28 | supernovia | yeah I am thinking if I do it I'll go that route. Only.. |
| 22:09.52 | supernovia | I'd still have my lack-of-ethernet issue.. hmm |
| 22:10.51 | fungus | iMac's all come with built-in WiFi |
| 22:11.08 | mindjuju | except that supernovia house doesn't come with wifi |
| 22:11.27 | supernovia | Oh wifi I've got |
| 22:11.30 | supernovia | it's ethernet I'm missing |
| 22:11.50 | supernovia | no cat5 connections anywhere |
| 22:11.58 | thebigdog | mbp has both on them |
| 22:12.12 | supernovia | iMacs (the desktops?) come with wifi though? |
| 22:12.18 | fungus | yes |
| 22:12.39 | thebigdog | yes |
| 22:13.07 | supernovia | Okay |
| 22:13.07 | supernovia | well that's good to know |
| 22:13.37 | thebigdog | they have an sd card reader on them too which is nice |
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| 22:14.01 | influx | Oh. Hmm. |
| 22:14.02 | supernovia | that's helpful |
| 22:14.11 | influx | I had no idea the imacs don't have ethernet ports. |
| 22:14.21 | influx | That's a big turnoff for me then. |
| 22:14.24 | supernovia | oh that's not it. my apartment has no cat5 |
| 22:14.31 | influx | Ohhhh. |
| 22:14.36 | supernovia | I don't know if they have ethernet ports or not |
| 22:14.39 | influx | Ha. |
| 22:14.46 | mindjuju | doesn't your landlord have wifi though? |
| 22:14.56 | supernovia | Yeah she does |
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| 22:15.48 | supernovia | Yeah it's the one I still febreeze every week or two. :-o |
| 22:17.56 | influx | Eww. |
| 22:19.15 | thebigdog | imacs have ethernet |
| 22:19.37 | thebigdog | they ae gig too |
| 22:20.59 | supernovia | dumb question: if I use my tax return to invest in something that, I can still claim it as a cost next year, right? |
| 22:21.13 | supernovia | s/something that/something like that/ |
| 22:21.22 | supernovia | my typing is awful today. TGIF. |
| 22:21.31 | influx | TGTIS |
| 22:21.34 | orsonj | ~accountants++ |
| 22:21.40 | influx | heh |
| 22:21.50 | influx | How much can a not-crap accountant cost? |
| 22:22.04 | supernovia | carmony knows a good one :) |
| 22:23.39 | orsonj | accountant, lawyer, geek (The three people everyone needs to know) |
| 22:24.10 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:24.52 | TuxToaster | supernovia: iMacs do have ethernet ports, FYI |
| 22:25.40 | supernovia | yeah I supposed they would have those. Didn't know about the wifi though; that would be nice. |
| 22:25.50 | mgeary | supernovia: absolutely |
| 22:26.36 | supernovia | cool, thanks mgeary |
| 22:26.38 | mgeary | you can treat your refund like any other cash you've got |
| 22:27.01 | TuxToaster | supernovia: wifi also. hehe |
| 22:27.31 | TuxToaster | at least the newer ones do. |
| 22:27.49 | supernovia | hehe |
| 22:28.03 | supernovia | so this could be interesting :) |
| 22:28.09 | TuxToaster | :-) |
| 22:28.11 | mgeary | i wish i got a refund |
| 22:28.19 | mgeary | i won't tell y'all how much i have to pay in taxes, but it aint pretty |
| 22:28.34 | TuxToaster | I haven't had a state refund in a couple of years, due to stupidity and lazyness on my part |
| 22:28.37 | supernovia | I was surprised I didn't have to pay this year. Hooray for kids. |
| 22:28.51 | TuxToaster | I had filed a sales tax certification a few years ago for my business |
| 22:28.53 | macnewbold | kids and mortgages :) |
| 22:29.07 | TuxToaster | but didn't need it... and they "assumed" an anmount for me and withheld my refund |
| 22:29.22 | supernovia | I don't think I get to count my mortgage this time around, but the kids get me a better discount anyway ;-) |
| 22:29.27 | TuxToaster | thought I had it cleared up, but realized last fall that I never did get my refund from the state. |
| 22:29.35 | supernovia | d'oh |
| 22:29.39 | TuxToaster | yup. |
| 22:30.05 | TuxToaster | this year's taxes are sucking for me. I wasn't a W2 employee till November |
| 22:30.20 | supernovia | I haven't been since May or so. |
| 22:30.33 | TuxToaster | I'm still not sure if it's the smartest thing to do |
| 22:30.39 | TuxToaster | but I didn't get a 1099 |
| 22:31.14 | TuxToaster | and wasn't an "independant contractor" since I was required to work a set schedule, min. 40-50 hours a week, and treated like a normal employee.... so I reported it as "other income" instead of self-employment |
| 22:31.52 | mgeary | yeah, that won't work |
| 22:32.36 | TuxToaster | I've been debating it... but according to the IRS' specs I'm a "common-law employee" |
| 22:32.45 | supernovia | common law eh? |
| 22:33.10 | supernovia | that reminds me of macnewbold talking about colorado's common law divorce. hehe |
| 22:33.13 | TuxToaster | yeah. There's a list of stuff that you typically do if you're a contractor |
| 22:33.17 | TuxToaster | or dont do, etc. |
| 22:33.35 | supernovia | or rather their common law marriage and the ensuing discussion. hehe |
| 22:33.44 | TuxToaster | like if the company sets your schedule, can fire you or discipline you like an employee, etc. |
| 22:33.52 | thebigdog | anyone interested in doing some side php development me pm me and I can give you the guys contact info |
| 22:33.55 | TuxToaster | and practically every point puts me under employee |
| 22:34.08 | tierra | if you aren't actually an employee, the company can't legally set your schedule fwiw... |
| 22:34.16 | tierra | heh |
| 22:34.38 | TuxToaster | tierra: I know, but at the time I figured I'd just go with it instead of arguing my way out of a job |
| 22:34.45 | TuxToaster | I'm a full employee *now* |
| 22:35.11 | TuxToaster | but he didn't want to provide a 1099 or anything, so I figured I'd report it under "other wages not reported on a W2 or 1099" |
| 22:35.19 | TuxToaster | since it wasn't reported anywhere. |
| 22:35.20 | tierra | really sounds like you were contract-to-hire, thus contract work... heh |
| 22:35.37 | tierra | I don't know how that doesn't count as an independant contractor |
| 22:35.45 | tierra | unless you got paid for it "under the table" |
| 22:35.53 | tierra | then you really did mess up somewhere |
| 22:36.25 | TuxToaster | tierra: it's really grey area. He intended it to be as a 1099 contract, but at the end of the year, he didn't want to treat it like that |
| 22:36.56 | TuxToaster | tis frustrating. |
| 22:38.45 | tierra | I wonder if that's because he found out at the end of the year that he had to pay taxes on it too... that's usually where "under the table" payments get slipped in when both the company hiring out the work and the contractor both know it won't throw off tax reports enough to be noticable (usually with smaller contracts, not 3+ month long ones) |
| 22:39.01 | thebigdog | google voice is just awesomeness |
| 22:39.09 | TuxToaster | plus a contract employee would imply that there was a contract defining the terms, all I signed was an employment agreement that I would essentially be a regular employee |
| 22:39.32 | TuxToaster | he did indicate up front that it would be contract temporarily but it wasn't supposed to be for 7 months |
| 22:39.39 | tierra | oh, well, if you signed that, then he really should have all your income reported on your w-2 |
| 22:39.56 | tierra | someone really screwed up, and it sounds like he did |
| 22:40.06 | TuxToaster | yeah I know. That's why I figure I'd be safe reporting it as non-reported income. |
| 22:40.16 | TuxToaster | yup. If they do come back on it, it'll be more on him. |
| 22:40.23 | supernovia | s/blossome/blossom/ |
| 22:40.34 | tierra | yeah, it will come back on him for sure... |
| 22:40.40 | tierra | you are pretty safe there |
| 22:40.42 | supernovia | yipes! this is what I get for switching back and forth between keyboard sizes, I suppose |
| 22:40.56 | thebigdog | TuxToaster: i would get a cpa to do that stuff |
| 22:41.00 | thebigdog | that will help you out too |
| 22:41.21 | thebigdog | i just got into the habit of using them...they save some much time and money too |
| 22:41.25 | tierra | yeah, you could probably use one to at least clear this all up for you this year |
| 22:42.01 | tierra | I'd recommend one for you, but the two I've used have both kind of been flakes... :/ |
| 22:42.18 | tierra | speaking of which, anyone have good CPA recommendations? hehe |
| 22:42.21 | TuxToaster | lol. Yeah I'm considering finding one anyways |
| 22:42.43 | cycokilr | the irs isn't going to go after anybody unless they stand to get quite a bit of money out of it.. if it's not much it probably won't be a problem.. |
| 22:43.09 | cycokilr | that's loosely quoted from an irs agent.. |
| 22:43.13 | supernovia | hehe |
| 22:43.13 | TuxToaster | I'm wanting to get back into freelancing, and hoping to make some good money on the side for a bit before doing that full time, so I'd love to get someone to help out with advice on how to handle taxes, etc on it |
| 22:43.22 | tierra | cycokilr: he's saying this is 7 months worth of 40-50 hour weeks... so yeah, there's a bit here |
| 22:43.24 | stderr | cycokilr speaks the truth |
| 22:43.34 | TuxToaster | cycokilr: depends on the amount they consider as 'a lot' |
| 22:43.41 | stderr | TuxToaster: 250k+ |
| 22:43.48 | TuxToaster | yeah, it's not that much. |
| 22:43.55 | cycokilr | it has to be pretty substantial.. |
| 22:44.02 | TuxToaster | if I made that in 7 months, I wouldn't be worried about paying taxes on it. |
| 22:44.03 | tierra | really? your guess is 250k? |
| 22:44.08 | thebigdog | tierra: i use hayniecpas.com |
| 22:44.13 | stderr | my "guess"? |
| 22:44.17 | supernovia | darn. |
| 22:44.18 | thebigdog | i have used them for over 12 yrs |
| 22:44.18 | stderr | what my parents CPAs tell me |
| 22:44.33 | cycokilr | i can ask me pappy if you'd like.. (he's the irs agent that quote was based on) |
| 22:44.49 | influx | papakilr |
| 22:44.50 | tierra | I would have figured much less than that... 100k, maybe less even, but then again, I've never been anywhere close to that range to worry about it |
| 22:44.57 | cycokilr | influx: nice one |
| 22:45.04 | influx | :] |
| 22:45.28 | stderr | you're not gonna get on there radar for 100k |
| 22:45.46 | stderr | I mean there's always the true random IRS checks to worry about but that's pretty unlikely |
| 22:46.03 | thebigdog | and if you use a cpa you are less likely...plus they like to go after businesses that make real money |
| 22:46.25 | stderr | (and who pay more taxes) |
| 22:46.37 | stderr | (other than some income tax they could give a sh*t about) |
| 22:47.03 | thebigdog | unless you made a crap load of money off your fart iphone app |
| 22:47.08 | thebigdog | then they will come after you |
| 22:47.54 | stderr | Right. An excessive increase in income will get you looked at |
| 22:49.04 | TuxToaster | hmm |
| 22:49.14 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:49.34 | TuxToaster | ok so I seriously haven't made any of those yet... but I am hoping to finish a couple apps and make a killing on them. |
| 22:49.39 | supernovia | hehe, interesting choice of words there thebigdog |
| 22:50.11 | TuxToaster | got a big dream of making enough to buy a house with. Dunno if it will happen, but for a side programming project while I still am working a normal job? It can't hurt |
| 22:51.08 | thebigdog | supernovia: i think the first fart iphone app the guy made a killing off the first couple days of it in the app store |
| 22:51.23 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
| 22:51.36 | TuxToaster | I know of a few guys that have made some serious money in there. |
| 22:51.52 | TuxToaster | I've had a few killer ideas, but not enough time to really see them all the way through. |
| 22:52.14 | supernovia | really? hehe, that's awful. good for him though I guess |
| 22:52.24 | stderr | yea, it was a bestseller for almost a month |
| 22:52.39 | TuxToaster | that's part of what frustrated me with this whole contractor bit. Hindsight is always 20/20... but I'm wishing I would have just pushed for working as a contractor and having him hire me to do projects so I could have spent more time doing other things as well. |
| 22:53.25 | TuxToaster | the guy who made the Trism game brought in something like $250k in the first two months it was released |
| 22:54.16 | cycokilr | so have you checked the "contractor" rules with your situation? |
| 22:55.38 | cycokilr | wow, it's sounding worse.. |
| 22:55.39 | cycokilr | hmm.. |
| 22:57.01 | cycokilr | papakilr is retired so some of the details might have changed.. |
| 22:57.31 | cycokilr | but if the irs does decide to look into your extra reported income, it could turn out pretty hairy for that guy.. |
| 22:58.08 | TuxToaster | yeah I know it will. |
| 22:58.30 | TuxToaster | technically I should file an SS-8 asking for reclassification of employment status |
| 22:58.36 | cycokilr | hopefully if you're planning on working for him more they don't look into it. |
| 22:58.44 | TuxToaster | but I guarantee that would blow up. |
| 22:58.53 | TuxToaster | I'm still working for him, but now as a regular employee :-) |
| 22:59.21 | cycokilr | wow man.. hope things don't go too bad with all of this.. |
| 22:59.46 | TuxToaster | me too... but if they do, it's his own fault. |
| 23:01.58 | TuxToaster | I would just report it as SE income, but there's no way I could afford to pay the taxes on that anytime soon. |
| 23:02.35 | TuxToaster | plus I don't consider that I was SE since I had no control over the situation, it was your typical employee-employer relationship, just he wasn't witholding taxes. |
| 23:03.19 | TuxToaster | from a blender to a penguin? :P |
| 23:03.34 | TuxToaster | wow. multi-species. |
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| 23:12.10 | macnewbold | TuxToaster: if it's SE/1099 (and I think even "other/unreported") you'll pay about 15% tax on it, and he'll pay 0% on it |
| 23:12.44 | macnewbold | if it is w2/employee or "statutory employee" (common law), then he's responsible for about 7.5% and so are you |
| 23:13.05 | macnewbold | so your taxes will go a lot better if you go with the "I was a statutory employee" route |
| 23:13.20 | macnewbold | but he might be pretty mad, cause it means he's delinquent for basically paying you under the table all year |
| 23:13.25 | TuxToaster | right, that's more or less what I did. |
| 23:13.36 | macnewbold | but I'm not a tax guy, so you probably ought to consult a real tax guy |
| 23:13.41 | TuxToaster | I listed it as "other income not reported" |
| 23:14.02 | TuxToaster | macnewbold: yeah I know, but thanks for the info anyways :-) |
| 23:14.15 | macnewbold | i have an old friend from school who is a CPA and runs a whole shop of tax guys, but I don't know how good he is as a CPA, never used him - Redwood Tax is the place though |
| 23:14.38 | macnewbold | yeah, but TuxToaster- i think reporting it as "other" is effectively the same as reporting it as self-employment - you might get ding'ed at 15% for it |
| 23:15.04 | TuxToaster | at least when I put it in it showed less owed. |
| 23:15.19 | TuxToaster | still going to talk to someone about it though to be safe |
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| 23:41.23 | supernovia | ~seen swb |
| 23:41.24 | ibot | swb <~sheri@cpe-67-248-88-31.nycap.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 8d 20h 38m 54s ago, saying: 'somehow my travel to SLC never coincides with UPHPU'. |
| 23:42.14 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:42.23 | TuxToaster | somehow, my Thursdays never coincide with UPHPU. |
| 23:42.33 | supernovia | only 8 days? sheesh, feels like forever |
| 23:42.42 | TuxToaster | seems like I'm always in the middle of something when I realize there's a metting |
| 23:42.45 | TuxToaster | meeting, even. |
| 23:43.08 | *** part/#uphpu bobthecow (~bobthecow@unaffiliated/bobthecow) |
| 23:43.32 | supernovia | UPHPU is my social life, more or less |
| 23:43.39 | supernovia | so I am pretty good at remembering it lately |
| 23:44.09 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 23:44.42 | TuxToaster | I need a social life. I finally realized I spend too much time working. |
| 23:45.25 | supernovia | that's what makes the UPHPU social life so perfect |
| 23:45.43 | supernovia | because you're still learning stuff, which is kinda like work |
| 23:45.57 | macnewbold | TuxToaster: if you hang out in IRC every tuesday and wednesday, you'll see a lot of reminders about the meeting generally |
| 23:46.41 | cycokilr | yeah i should come see you guys at a meeting.. i always remember them about 3 mins before they start.. |
| 23:47.04 | TuxToaster | yeah I had the fortune of getting to replace our office firewall, so now I can connect to IRC at work, so I have the client set up to always be open now. |
| 23:47.13 | supernovia | sweet :) |
| 23:47.39 | TuxToaster | since I've been hanging out with you guys on the list, etc. for like.... a year... and have made it to a whopping one meeting. |
| 23:47.39 | cycokilr | yeah it's nice knowing [being] the it guy(s) ;) |