| 00:00.00 | mindjuju | prolly cooked |
| 00:00.04 | supernovia | when you cook do you use measuring cups/spoons every time or are you pretty good at eyeballing it? |
| 00:00.09 | supernovia | cooked. |
| 00:00.24 | mindjuju | eyeball |
| 00:00.44 | supernovia | yeah, so measure for a few times then you'll have a pretty good estimate |
| 00:00.59 | DexterTheDragon | recipes are more of a guideline |
| 00:01.23 | supernovia | agreed, it isn't chemistry |
| 00:01.35 | DexterTheDragon | unless its baking |
| 00:01.47 | supernovia | I totally bake freestyle |
| 00:01.51 | DexterTheDragon | baking is chemistry and tends to need closer amounts |
| 00:02.40 | supernovia | yeah, but after you've baked so many things so many times you get used to what is and isnt' normal and what the ingredients do and can adjust accordingly |
| 00:03.02 | supernovia | sometimes I have an experiment go awry but usually it turns out nicely. |
| 00:03.23 | mindjuju | yup, i'm the same way with cooking, but i'm not as good at baking |
| 00:03.30 | mindjuju | with cooking though, it's like a symphony |
| 00:03.34 | mindjuju | with the spices |
| 00:03.42 | jsmith | mindjuju: A kazoo symphony? |
| 00:03.53 | mindjuju | yeah, i'd have YOU on the kazoo |
| 00:03.56 | supernovia | That'd sound pretty coool jsmith |
| 00:04.17 | jsmith | supernovia: I once had a solo in a kazoo symphony.... |
| 00:04.27 | supernovia | neat |
| 00:05.52 | mindjuju | ~lart jsmith, his php code and his snarky comments! |
| 00:05.52 | ibot | smacks jsmith, his php code and his snarky comments! up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 00:06.03 | mindjuju | heh |
| 00:06.06 | jsmith | mindjuju: Actually, it's not my code that's failing... it's Drupal |
| 00:06.11 | jsmith | (no surprise there, right?) |
| 00:06.16 | mindjuju | ...sure... sure... |
| 00:06.17 | jsmith | ~cluebat mindjuju |
| 00:06.18 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps mindjuju. |
| 00:06.21 | DexterTheDragon | sure blame the open source project |
| 00:06.32 | mindjuju | ^5 DtD |
| 00:06.54 | jsmith | DexterTheDragon: To repeat a quote on twitter... "If the nodewords module |
| 00:07.20 | jsmith | "If the bugs in the nodewords module were bricks, I'd have a mansion" |
| 00:12.21 | mindjuju | k, that's it for me, i'm headed home |
| 00:13.33 | supernovia | have a good night mindjuju |
| 00:13.39 | mindjuju | you too |
| 00:43.43 | influx | Nrrrgh. |
| 00:43.58 | influx | Only a month to go before I get a private room again. |
| 00:44.20 | influx | Then the kids won't be walking in front of the tv again. |
| 00:45.16 | supernovia | mw2? |
| 00:48.14 | influx | Modern Warfare 2. Vidja Game. |
| 00:49.36 | supernovia | ah. |
| 00:54.07 | carmony | LOL |
| 00:55.08 | supernovia | at the Mw2 carmony? |
| 00:55.19 | carmony | yeah, I've been screwed w/ that before |
| 01:02.13 | influx | I don't know if the Emergency Air Drop reward is all that. I've yet to use any of the packages. |
| 01:02.21 | influx | yet to get the chance, that is. |
| 01:02.35 | influx | All the other players just converge on the drop point. |
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| 01:38.23 | swb | herlo: just looked at facebook and totally turned red :) |
| 02:22.48 | herlo | swb: :) |
| 02:23.23 | swb | lol |
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| 02:28.58 | herlo | swb: well, LaTeX is a great tool :) |
| 02:29.23 | herlo | there was discussion from DexterTheDragon regarding condoms too, but it was after I had already posted that... |
| 02:29.37 | swb | so red, totally red |
| 02:29.48 | herlo | haha |
| 02:29.56 | swb | :) |
| 02:29.56 | herlo | only wish I could have seen it |
| 02:54.50 | herlo | swb: you removed it from your wall? It was too funny to remove.... |
| 02:57.09 | swb | haha, too late ;) |
| 02:59.55 | herlo | put it back!! :/ |
| 03:00.24 | supernovia | hi swb :) I just got here.. hehe |
| 03:00.29 | swb | hiya |
| 03:00.34 | herlo | supernovia: so, she said something like |
| 03:00.39 | herlo | testing latex |
| 03:00.45 | supernovia | oh noes |
| 03:00.53 | herlo | and I responded with 'woo, I'd like to see you in that!' |
| 03:00.54 | swb | er, as in LaTeX |
| 03:01.00 | herlo | lol |
| 03:01.16 | swb | awesome |
| 03:01.16 | herlo | swb: oh, it was much more fun though, the way I did it :) |
| 03:01.31 | herlo | on fb |
| 03:01.37 | supernovia | hehe |
| 03:01.54 | supernovia | I miss you swb! |
| 03:01.59 | swb | miss you too! |
| 03:02.05 | supernovia | UPHPU is tomorrow night |
| 03:02.28 | herlo | yuppers... |
| 03:02.30 | swb | somehow my travel to SLC never coincides with UPHPU |
| 03:02.34 | supernovia | it'd be fun to have another girl there :) but yah |
| 03:02.44 | herlo | swb: it's on gotomeeting this time though |
| 03:02.55 | herlo | check out the post on uphpu.org |
| 03:03.01 | herlo | something about the guy being elsewhere |
| 03:03.48 | herlo | if nothing else it gets more people involved... |
| 03:04.12 | supernovia | Well, whatever works |
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| 03:52.30 | supernovia | welcome back! |
| 03:53.58 | herlo | supernovia: who be that? |
| 03:54.19 | supernovia | Oh just the great php master |
| 03:54.26 | herlo | what is his nick?? |
| 03:54.29 | supernovia | carmony |
| 03:54.29 | herlo | or her nick |
| 03:54.42 | supernovia | hehe |
| 03:55.35 | herlo | that's what I do :) |
| 03:55.56 | carmony | supernovia: sup |
| 03:56.45 | herlo | carmony: you just got kicked in the shins |
| 03:56.51 | carmony | ouch! |
| 03:57.02 | herlo | you are only the great php master once |
| 03:57.06 | supernovia | hehe |
| 03:57.09 | herlo | not every 15 minutes :) |
| 03:58.42 | carmony | lol, I probably should turn off that onjoin :P |
| 03:59.12 | herlo | already done |
| 03:59.20 | herlo | ~onjoin carmony |
| 03:59.20 | ibot | onjoin for carmony set by mindjuju on Wed Feb 24 17:13:23 2010: 01The great PHP master has entered the room. All be prepared to be amazed! |
| 03:59.26 | herlo | ugh |
| 03:59.32 | herlo | ~onjoin -carmony |
| 03:59.32 | ibot | ok, herlo |
| 03:59.37 | herlo | ~onjoin carmony |
| 03:59.41 | herlo | yay! |
| 04:00.00 | supernovia | Don't worry carmony, I still think you're the great PHP master |
| 04:00.10 | carmony | lol |
| 04:00.11 | carmony | yay |
| 04:00.37 | supernovia | so onjoin looks like cajun for onion |
| 04:00.48 | herlo | could be :) |
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| 04:17.40 | supernovia | alright, I'm crashing early since we keep waking up eary |
| 04:17.42 | supernovia | early |
| 04:17.45 | supernovia | have a good night! |
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| 14:17.37 | supernovia | and good morning! |
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| 14:19.53 | eggyknap | no, it's not. clearly not. |
| 14:20.02 | supernovia | is that so? |
| 14:22.49 | eggyknap | Nah, it's just the lack of sleep talking :) |
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| 14:53.45 | supernovia | bah. |
| 14:53.57 | supernovia | lol carmony I see you've got your onjoin back |
| 14:54.25 | carmony | test... |
| 14:54.36 | carmony | ~onjoin carmony |
| 14:54.36 | ibot | onjoin for carmony set by mindjuju on Thu Mar 18 01:18:39 2010: The great PHP master has entered the room. All be prepared to be amazed! |
| 14:54.45 | supernovia | hehe |
| 14:56.18 | supernovia | mini rant: tried calling someone several times this AM; finally left a message saying it's urgent, please call back. Which they did, and that's all well and dandy, until they volunteered a super ridiculous excuse for not picking up |
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| 15:06.17 | ninnypants | I hate making/getting calls in the morning |
| 15:11.04 | supernovia | it's not as bad when you have kids on a school schedule and the calls are after they're gone |
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| 15:17.07 | ninnypants | I don't really like phone calls in general |
| 15:17.52 | supernovia | me too. this person doesn't do email though |
| 15:18.01 | supernovia | or txt |
| 15:18.13 | ninnypants | weird |
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| 15:19.15 | supernovia | but yeah apparently the phone broke (3rd phone in the past 12 months) |
| 15:20.06 | ninnypants | they're hard talkers |
| 15:20.29 | supernovia | and luckily, moments after I left my message, he got a new one and popped his sim card in and immediately returned the call |
| 15:21.22 | ninnypants | sounds like he goes through so many that he keeps a few on hand :P |
| 15:21.30 | supernovia | hehe, maybe that's it |
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| 15:24.25 | supernovia | but yeah I didn't even ask why he wasn't picking up so the crazy story was just .. bah. Anyway. </rant> |
| 15:39.33 | ninnypants | hehe |
| 15:43.24 | macnewbold | k, weird weird problem... |
| 15:43.30 | macnewbold | anyone use PHP's imap functions? |
| 15:43.46 | macnewbold | i'm getting "Unable to create selectable TCP socket" |
| 15:43.57 | macnewbold | and google turns up lots of people that have the problem, but nobody that has a solution :( |
| 15:43.58 | supernovia | hmm |
| 15:44.27 | jsmith | I haven't used PHP's IMAP function in years |
| 15:45.16 | supernovia | it seems like some soft firewalls have options for disabling port access unless you specifically grant a script access |
| 15:51.23 | mgeary | yeah, i've never had success/good luck with php+imap |
| 15:52.09 | macnewbold | things seem to point to it being a long-standing and well known bug in an underlying library (c-client) |
| 15:52.20 | fungus | macnewbold, does your apache instance have a lot of log files open? >1024 |
| 15:54.03 | macnewbold | fungus: yeah, it has quite a few - not just log files. |
| 15:54.17 | macnewbold | lsof returns about 1600 lines for one httpd process |
| 15:54.21 | macnewbold | many are /tmp |
| 15:54.36 | macnewbold | i tried apachectl restart, but it has just as many open still |
| 15:54.42 | macnewbold | maybe i need a full stop/start? |
| 15:55.44 | fungus | are they all necessary? |
| 15:57.40 | ninnypants | is tonight's meeting going to be streaming/recorded? |
| 15:58.30 | macnewbold | i don't know why apache has so many open |
| 15:58.38 | macnewbold | there are quite a few virt hosts, but not hundreds |
| 15:59.14 | fungus | What are the majority of the open files. over 1000 seems excessive |
| 16:00.09 | macnewbold | aha |
| 16:00.10 | supernovia | it's a web meeting thing ninnypants |
| 16:00.12 | macnewbold | most were /tmp |
| 16:00.16 | macnewbold | no idea why |
| 16:00.25 | macnewbold | anyway, after restart, it was still 1600+ files |
| 16:00.32 | macnewbold | when i did apachectl stop ; apachectl start |
| 16:00.41 | macnewbold | it really reset it, now only 325 files open |
| 16:00.50 | macnewbold | that was a fun waste of an hour... :( |
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| 16:01.33 | macnewbold | that server last booted on Jan 22, 2008, so apache probably hasn't been restarted fully like that in a long long time |
| 16:01.36 | macnewbold | and the files just built up. |
| 16:01.46 | macnewbold | thanks fungus! |
| 16:02.08 | fungus | that's a problem you might want to look at. What created them? why didn't it close them? |
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| 16:05.37 | mgeary | i just did a look myself. i've got 1300 open files from apache. The server in question has several vhosts, though, and it appears that each vhost instance opens all of the config modules separately, in addition to log files and such |
| 16:06.02 | ninnypants | supernovia: yeah my dog has training on thursdays at that time so i was hoping it would be recorded |
| 16:06.04 | thebigdog | macnewbold: dont you use logrotate? |
| 16:06.11 | supernovia | oh I got ya. |
| 16:06.18 | supernovia | mindjuju will know. |
| 16:07.07 | macnewbold | thebigdog: not exactly - i rotate my logs, and it does apachectl restart or apachectl graceful at least once daily |
| 16:07.19 | macnewbold | but that doesn't close the unused file descriptors apparently... |
| 16:07.23 | macnewbold | but a full stop and start did the trick |
| 16:07.48 | macnewbold | fungus: it might have been php sessions for all i know... |
| 16:07.54 | thebigdog | i was thinking a restart would...that it does the stop start but i guess that is not entirely the case |
| 16:07.56 | macnewbold | it wasn't in any code i wrote or want to fix, i know that much |
| 16:08.14 | macnewbold | thebigdog: yeah, it doesn't do a true full stop/start |
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| 16:35.14 | macnewbold | well, if nobody else will document how they finally solved the problem, I will: http://dojo.codegreene.com/2010/well-known-problems-with-undocumented-solutions/ |
| 16:39.15 | stderr | macnewbold: refactoring of virtual host setups may help too |
| 16:47.44 | macnewbold | stderr: what do you mean? |
| 16:47.58 | carmony | haha, this is how I feel about facebook: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLefo0fn96o (warning, some strong language) :P |
| 16:50.48 | stderr | macnewbold: to reduce the number of file descriptors Apache opens. |
| 16:51.03 | stderr | Apache opens a fd for every Listen directive you have, and a lot of people have extraneous Listen directives. |
| 16:51.26 | stderr | Also, an fd for every log file, so munging your log files together and then exploding them with a script afterward will go a long way to keeping the fd count down |
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| 17:49.18 | *** topic/#UPHPU is Meeting thursday @7pm | Cal Evans - 5 Things I wish they had told me before I started programming in PHP | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
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| 17:49.26 | mindjuju | i've summoned ibot |
| 17:50.06 | mindjuju | ~lart mgeary |
| 17:50.06 | ibot | tries to shut mgeary up |
| 17:50.21 | mindjuju | yup, works |
| 17:50.41 | ninnypants | mindjuju: is tonights meeting going to be recorded? |
| 17:51.06 | mindjuju | yup, and streamed live |
| 17:51.14 | supernovia | ~lart |
| 17:51.20 | mindjuju | do you have info for how to get stream? |
| 17:51.25 | supernovia | oops. |
| 17:51.29 | supernovia | ~lart ibot |
| 17:51.29 | ibot | says "boot to the head" and knocks supernovia over |
| 17:51.30 | ninnypants | nope |
| 17:52.00 | mindjuju | it has to be winders or mac |
| 17:52.01 | mindjuju | https://www1.gotomeeting.com/register/124328481 |
| 17:52.11 | beandog | can I get a bootleg copy of the stream? |
| 17:52.12 | mindjuju | we're using gotomeeting for this time |
| 17:52.32 | DexterTheDragon | I will be fileing complaints at the after hours party |
| 17:52.53 | mindjuju | yup, was just going to say that |
| 17:52.55 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:55.16 | macnewbold | gotomeeting? seriously? |
| 17:55.25 | macnewbold | i second DexterTheDragon's complaints |
| 17:55.38 | mindjuju | yes; i know, i know |
| 17:56.29 | mindjuju | please lodge your complaints at the after hours party between 9:40 - 9:45 |
| 17:57.38 | ninnypants | is there a way to record with go to meeting because I wont be arround at 7 |
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| 17:58.16 | mindjuju | yes, it will be recorded also |
| 17:58.33 | mindjuju | i'm just saying, if you want to ask questions, and can't be there and have winders or mac |
| 17:58.38 | mindjuju | then get on the stream |
| 17:58.39 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 18:04.00 | mindjuju | sunsparc is muad'dib? who knew? |
| 18:04.15 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:11.08 | mindjuju | wow, i'm out of the loop on the IT happenings! http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/03/08/newegg_sticks_demo_boxes_intel_counters/ |
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| 18:28.06 | mindjuju | oh oracle that is fungus or any other openssh-server users |
| 18:28.45 | mindjuju | is there a max file size for openssh-server? |
| 18:28.52 | mindjuju | when i google it, i don't seem to hit anything |
| 18:28.56 | fungus | no |
| 18:29.09 | mindjuju | :) that's prolly why i'm not hitting anything |
| 18:29.47 | mindjuju | so, the other thing i gogoled was max file size in ubuntu, but some stuff i read said that ext 3 could have a file size of up to 2TB, and ext 4 was higher |
| 18:30.09 | mindjuju | but when somebody tries to send me a file that is 10gb over openssh, she says she gets connection errors |
| 18:31.05 | fungus | mindjuju, bad connection? connection could be dropping |
| 18:32.44 | stderr | rsync --partial --progress --rsh=ssh ftw |
| 18:34.06 | mindjuju | well, i've been meaning to learn rsync, maybe this is a good reason |
| 18:34.35 | mindjuju | since the person that is uploading to my server is usinga mac, i'll have to look that way, but google hits on rsync and mac, so looks like maybe feasible? |
| 18:34.57 | fungus | actually "rsync -P" does the same thing |
| 18:35.08 | fungus | -P = --partial --progress |
| 18:35.23 | fungus | and ssh has been the default rsh transfer for years. |
| 18:36.42 | fungus | mindjuju, Mac's come with rsync preinstalled already |
| 18:37.04 | fungus | is she using scp now? |
| 18:37.24 | mindjuju | i'm asking her, she hasn't responded back yet |
| 18:37.26 | fungus | if she is, she can just replace the word "scp" with "rsync -P" |
| 18:38.18 | mindjuju | about the log for openssh-server, google isn't helping me much |
| 18:38.28 | mindjuju | though i did find something that said /var/log/auth.log |
| 18:38.30 | mindjuju | is that it? |
| 18:38.50 | fungus | ssh doesn't log every file transfer. |
| 18:38.56 | fungus | just authentications |
| 18:39.17 | mindjuju | ah |
| 18:39.56 | mindjuju | jackpot! - http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-unix-bsd-openssh-server-best-practices.html |
| 18:42.50 | mindjuju | cool! i feel like ijust learned a new kung fu punch! Pow! AllowUsers root vivek jerry (used to block system access via ssh) |
| 18:43.14 | herlo | mindjuju: I don't like #1 and number ten can be done with apg |
| 18:43.26 | herlo | other than that... |
| 18:46.28 | mindjuju | herlo, what about rule 18? :) |
| 18:47.36 | fungus | hehe. 18 is fun. but generally extreme |
| 18:48.19 | fungus | AllowUsers is good. but leave out root. |
| 18:48.22 | herlo | mindjuju: I think 18 is a waste of effort... |
| 18:48.34 | fungus | also enforce good passwords, or require keys. |
| 18:48.38 | herlo | fungus: woudln't PermitRootLogin no provide that?? |
| 18:48.46 | fungus | yup |
| 18:48.50 | herlo | it's in there |
| 18:49.00 | fungus | just have to re-iterate it, since it is so important |
| 18:49.20 | herlo | :) |
| 19:04.00 | carmony | man, SOAP sucks somedays |
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