| 00:02.26 | mindjuju | for the mac |
| 00:02.42 | mindjuju | i'm trying to remember what it is called, but there is suppose to be something really good |
| 00:02.47 | wps | yeah |
| 00:02.48 | wps | Jing |
| 00:02.56 | mgeary | i use SnapzPro for screen recording |
| 00:02.57 | mindjuju | jing has a 5 minute limit though |
| 00:02.59 | mgeary | and it's great |
| 00:03.06 | wps | how long do you need, mgeary? |
| 00:03.26 | mgeary | but i've got a client who wants to do screencasting, and SnapzPro requires a bit of hand-holding to do that well |
| 00:03.32 | mgeary | wps: more than 5 mins |
| 00:06.32 | itimber | I'm out... later guys |
| 00:09.29 | mindjuju | i'm sorry mgeary, i cant remember it right now |
| 00:09.33 | mindjuju | i'll give it a think though |
| 00:09.34 | mgeary | np |
| 00:11.11 | wps | I haven't used it, but camtasia for mac looks pretty easy to use (just watched the demo video) |
| 00:16.02 | mindjuju | cam for winders is great |
| 00:16.06 | mindjuju | easy to use and reliable |
| 00:16.30 | wps | does you client just want to record or do they want to edit was well? |
| 00:16.37 | wps | ScreenFlow looks great: http://www.telestream.net/screen-flow/overview.htm |
| 00:17.06 | mgeary | thanks. i just forwarded the links on |
| 00:17.30 | mp_ | i'm using camtasia for the new stackable screencast. so far i love it. |
| 00:17.46 | mp_ | adobe captivate was destroying my will to live. |
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| 00:23.59 | mgeary | good to know |
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| 01:32.36 | ninnypants | any suggestions on a good (s)ftp program for fedora |
| 02:41.00 | brasto | sftp is built into ssh, so if you use sftp, you don't have to install anything, ninnypants |
| 02:41.12 | brasto | for sftp, I believe the main supported one is vsftp |
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| 15:59.07 | brasto | ok, I have some ps output that tells me only a little and it's pretty much what I was guessing so far anyway. I need more info. The problem is that my Linode vps shoots up to between 100 and 400% cpu usage sometimes. I created a simple crontab to find what little I know. This runs every hour: |
| 15:59.19 | brasto | ps auxww > /home/brasto/ps.out |
| 16:00.39 | brasto | ps.out tells me that there were several apache httpd processes that ran at under 10% but over 6% CPU usage. They were most of it. |
| 16:01.39 | brasto | The only thing different from my other vps is I migrated one site from Drupal to Wordpress, so it might be the new Wordpress site. |
| 16:02.12 | brasto | I doubt it's UDBUG because http://udbug.org is now just a single static page. |
| 16:02.26 | ninnypants | brasto: do you have any personally made wordpress crons? |
| 16:02.47 | brasto | ninnypants: no, I doubt it. I've never set any up. |
| 16:03.38 | brasto | it may still be something other than wordpress - that's just my best guess since it's the main difference. |
| 16:04.43 | ninnypants | I would check the plugins you have installed I made the mistake of not checking to see if the cron item was already scheduled and it left me with a query that would basically bring the server down when it ran |
| 16:04.51 | brasto | josephscott: is there a way to turn off the auto email every time a user registers on wordpress? |
| 16:05.14 | josephscott | for regular WP or WPMU? |
| 16:05.24 | mastergunns | josephscott: he there. long time no see. |
| 16:05.42 | brasto | ninnypants: the problem doesn't seem to be regular enough to be a cron job, but that's still a good idea and I'll take a look. |
| 16:05.44 | josephscott | mastergunns: hi |
| 16:06.16 | josephscott | mastergunns: how's the final countdown to podcamp? |
| 16:06.23 | brasto | josephscott: I think it's regular WP. I downloaded it straight from the WP site. What's WPMU? Googling it now... |
| 16:06.33 | brasto | oh |
| 16:06.37 | brasto | it just struck me |
| 16:06.40 | brasto | mulit user |
| 16:06.51 | brasto | I don't have it set up for multi user |
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| 16:06.59 | mastergunns | josephscott: stressful as usual - need more of everything: attendees, presenters, volunteers. You know how that goes. |
| 16:07.05 | brasto | but when I do, I just use the config file with an if statement, no mu plugin |
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| 16:07.57 | josephscott | brasto: I don't think there's a specific setting for that |
| 16:08.09 | brasto | so, does anyone know a way to further verify the problem, if you have multiple vhosts, which one is getting all the traffic that suddenly requires high cpu usage at random intervals? |
| 16:09.12 | brasto | josephscott: I looked for a plugin when I couldn't find it, but haven't found a plugin for it either. It's pretty annoying just to get 2 or three emails a day, sometimes over 10, for new fake users. |
| 16:09.47 | josephscott | if they are fake users don't you want to know about it so that you can remove them? |
| 16:11.25 | brasto | they can't do anything anyway. I haven't checked yet, but I'm hoping akismet removes them automatically when I mark their comments as spam, which don't get posted without at least one initial approval anyway. New users can only be 'subscribers', so all they can do is post comments that wait for at least that first approval. |
| 16:13.25 | josephscott | are you sure you really need to have 'allow new users to register' turned on? |
| 16:13.55 | brasto | josephscott: is there a way I can add other 'roles'? I can't find a plugin for that either. I'm also looking for a plugin that lets me see two more columns in the user summary page: the date they registered and the date they last accessed the site. |
| 16:14.09 | brasto | josephscott: yes, because it's a high school alumni site. |
| 16:14.19 | josephscott | brasto: there are several role manager plugins out there |
| 16:14.33 | brasto | role manager is the keyword search then? |
| 16:14.41 | josephscott | akismet doesn't interact with user accounts, just comments |
| 16:15.23 | josephscott | http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/search.php?q=role+manager&sort= |
| 16:15.25 | carmony | brasto: mod_status |
| 16:16.34 | brasto | that would me a nice feature then, to auto remove users that post spam, or to at least put them in a disabled status. |
| 16:17.07 | brasto | carmony: mod_status is a wp mod with the user info I want? |
| 16:17.36 | josephscott | there may be a plugin for that. It could certainly be done with the hooks that WP has |
| 16:17.42 | carmony | oh, I was responding to your question: "o, does anyone know a way to further verify the problem, if you have multiple vhosts, which one is getting all the traffic that suddenly requires high cpu usage at random intervals?" |
| 16:18.43 | brasto | ah, ok carmony |
| 16:19.01 | brasto | I'll see if that's installed |
| 16:20.20 | brasto | carmony: I found this line in httpd.conf: LoadModule status_module modules/mod_status.so |
| 16:20.27 | carmony | yeah |
| 16:20.28 | carmony | ok |
| 16:20.31 | brasto | it's not commented out so it's enabled |
| 16:20.34 | carmony | let me find this for you |
| 16:20.41 | brasto | thanks carmony |
| 16:21.12 | carmony | search for "SetHandler server-status" |
| 16:21.57 | brasto | josephscott: do you recommend any of those role managers? I noticed some of those before with similar searches, but wasn't sure if any of them was really what I want. |
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| 16:22.19 | josephscott | I haven't used the, so I don't have one to recommend |
| 16:24.02 | josephscott | s/the/them/ |
| 16:24.22 | brasto | carmony: search for that in the config file? |
| 16:24.27 | carmony | brasto: yes |
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| 16:25.53 | ninnypants | brasto: I've used this one http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/capsman/ but I don't see them as handy unless you are adding new roles |
| 16:25.54 | brasto | carmony: the only instance of that line is in a commented out section that starts with: #<Location /server-status> |
| 16:26.11 | carmony | uncomment the block for the <location /server-status> |
| 16:26.14 | carmony | section |
| 16:27.12 | brasto | ninnypants: that's all I need. I want one more role so new users can be in that role, but I'm starting to think that maybe 'subscriber' is just fine after all, because anyone I verify as a real graduate from my high school, or any other valid user, I can promote to author. |
| 16:28.36 | carmony | brasto: now search for ExtendedStatus |
| 16:29.05 | brasto | I uncommented that block and restarted httpd. now I'm searching config for ExtendedStatus |
| 16:30.28 | brasto | carmony: it's set to On, but commented out. Uncomment? |
| 16:30.35 | carmony | yes |
| 16:31.12 | carmony | then once your done, reload httpd, and then go to example.com/server-status |
| 16:31.46 | carmony | it should look like something like this: http://www.datingdna.com/ddna-status |
| 16:32.14 | brasto | http://chsalumni.net/server-status |
| 16:32.22 | brasto | looks like I need to configure something else |
| 16:32.36 | carmony | ah |
| 16:32.37 | carmony | ok |
| 16:32.42 | carmony | in your <Location> statement |
| 16:34.21 | carmony | change your order to: |
| 16:34.45 | carmony | Order allow,deny |
| 16:34.45 | carmony | Allow from all |
| 16:36.30 | brasto | ah, I should have seen that when I first un-commented that section carmony |
| 16:36.54 | brasto | do I need allow from .example.com? |
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| 16:37.47 | carmony | no |
| 16:37.50 | brasto | looks like I might not, but unfortunately wordpress's .htaccess redirects it now to a 'Not Found' |
| 16:39.26 | carmony | heres mine: |
| 16:39.27 | carmony | http://paste2.org/p/711993 |
| 16:41.02 | brasto | ok, it works on udbug: |
| 16:41.12 | brasto | http://udbug.org/server-status |
| 16:41.31 | brasto | however udbug doesn't have mod rewrite doing any redirecting |
| 16:42.04 | brasto | so now I need to work around wordpresses redirecting so it allows me to go to /server-status |
| 16:44.48 | brasto | carmony: I added this line to the .htaccess: |
| 16:44.50 | brasto | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !server-status |
| 16:44.56 | brasto | that seems to have done the trick |
| 16:45.00 | carmony | k, awesome |
| 16:45.05 | brasto | http://chsalumni.net/server-status |
| 16:45.22 | carmony | k, so when you get weird CPU usage |
| 16:45.24 | carmony | check out that pahge |
| 16:45.41 | brasto | drat, it looks like I'll have to do that for every drupal and every wordpress site... |
| 16:45.54 | brasto | add that line to .htaccess, that is |
| 16:46.13 | brasto | carmony: if the site is down because the cpu usage is so high, will that page still load? |
| 16:46.24 | carmony | um, maybe :P |
| 16:46.40 | brasto | and if it doesn't, can I have it logged somewhere with a cron job spitting out that output every hour or so? |
| 16:46.53 | carmony | you could do that |
| 16:46.58 | brasto | maybe a wget in a crontab |
| 16:47.00 | carmony | something like a wget |
| 16:47.01 | carmony | yeh |
| 16:47.13 | brasto | I'll try that if the page doesn't work this time around. |
| 16:51.27 | brasto | ok, cool |
| 16:51.45 | brasto | thanks carmony, I've never used that module before. |
| 16:52.02 | carmony | yeah, it helped me with a few troubled web servers before |
| 16:52.34 | brasto | once I find the problematic site, the next step will be to find what script is running that causes the problem. |
| 16:55.42 | josephscott | strace |
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| 17:48.08 | tierra | seems pretty wildly dangerous that Wordpress advocates that users give the webserver ownership of the Wordpress install and set all files to writable, all just so it's easier to upgrade Wordpress and install plugins... |
| 17:49.13 | josephscott | tierra: who recommends that? I don't |
| 17:49.24 | tierra | the Wordpress install guide does |
| 17:49.43 | josephscott | I'd only even consider that on a either my local laptop or maybe a server I completely control |
| 17:49.58 | josephscott | tierra: where? I don't think I've read that in a long time :-) |
| 17:50.10 | thebigdog | i know in the install script it does recommend that too |
| 17:50.16 | thebigdog | which scared me to death |
| 17:50.34 | josephscott | can you point me to something specific, that I can look at? |
| 17:50.57 | tierra | I'm looking for the instructions again, I know I saw it yesterday |
| 17:51.43 | josephscott | for uploads obviously the web server needs some sort of priv for, if you want to upload images for example in WP |
| 17:52.20 | tierra | the funny part is that I knew at least that much would be true, but instructions for doing that to the uploads directory were nowhere to be found in the guide I was using, heh |
| 17:52.54 | josephscott | yeah, that's why I'm asking for exactly where that's at |
| 17:53.13 | tierra | http://codex.wordpress.org/Installing_WordPress#Famous_5-Minute_Install <- I was using that |
| 17:53.21 | tierra | (though I don't see those instructions again) |
| 17:53.29 | tierra | give me a minute, I'm sure I can find it again |
| 17:54.45 | tierra | maybe I'm just thinking of the section I was reading on automatic upgrades |
| 17:54.48 | tierra | http://codex.wordpress.org/Upgrading_WordPress |
| 17:55.11 | tierra | "Note that your files all need to be owned by the user under which your Apache server executes, or you will receive a dialog box asking for "connection information," and you will find that no matter what you enter, it won't work. " |
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| 17:58.04 | josephscott | so that's accurate at least |
| 17:58.15 | josephscott | it doesn't have to be owned by the web server |
| 17:58.23 | josephscott | WP can do the upgrade over ftp or ssh |
| 17:58.42 | tierra | well, I'd imagine that if Wordpress was going to actually perform an upgrade to it's own files, it'd need write access to them of course |
| 17:59.11 | ninnypants | yes but you give that to it when you provide the ftp info |
| 17:59.24 | ninnypants | then it goes away |
| 17:59.35 | josephscott | if WP detects that the web server has write permissions to the WP file then it just the upgrade directly |
| 17:59.54 | josephscott | if not then it asks for ftp/ssh info to do the upgrade that way |
| 18:06.21 | tierra | looks like this is at least somewhat covered by http://codex.wordpress.org/Hardening_WordPress#File_permissions |
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| 18:28.29 | thebigdog | how about this - /wp-content/ -- variable user-supplied content: intended by Developers to be completely writable by all (owner/user, group, and public). |
| 19:04.26 | ninnypants | can anyone see any problems with this line `$data = preg_replace('#\<script.*(\</script\>|/\>)#Ui', '', $data);` it doesn't replace the script tags like it's supposed to |
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| 19:18.15 | tierra | thebigdog / josephscott: so even with world-write permissions to wp-content, it looks like WP still asks for connection info, so that really seems to make it pointless to make www-user the owner or set world-write permissions at all, even on just wp-content... |
| 19:20.06 | tierra | I really don't understand why the WP wiki recommends doing either |
| 19:43.09 | josephscott | write permissions for wp-content don't impact WP upgrades |
| 19:43.18 | josephscott | since that's a different dir |
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| 20:07.15 | tierra | josephscott: sorry, I meant as far as using the admin panel to install/remove plugins or themes |
| 20:08.09 | josephscott | I don't recall specifically what check it does for the write permissions, but I'd figure that if themes/ and plugins/ have write perms it should be enough |
| 20:08.21 | josephscott | would have to double check the code to figure out what it actually does |
| 20:08.56 | tierra | I tossed full world write permissions on every folder and file in wp-content, and it still asked for connection info |
| 20:09.25 | tierra | I also chgrp -R www-users on wp-content too |
| 20:09.41 | josephscott | hmmm, must be check the core WP files for some reason. Not sure why that its |
| 20:09.48 | josephscott | s/its/is/ |
| 20:10.22 | tierra | meh, whatever, I'm perfectly happy manualling upgrading and installing plugins and themes |
| 20:10.46 | tierra | in fact, I'd prefer to do that instead of giving write permissions, heh |
| 20:11.00 | tierra | *manually |
| 20:22.58 | cedwards | I do all my plugins and themes manually over ssh too |
| 20:23.11 | cedwards | and the absolute best way to manage installation/updates is via svn. _so_ easy. |
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| 21:06.46 | brasto | josephscott: I was confused earlier. I have what I think is normal wordpress, but It does have multiple users. For some reason I was thinking 'multi site' even though I realized it was 'multi user'. How can I tell which one I have? Since I do have multiple users, what do I do to switch to Worpress MU? |
| 21:07.13 | josephscott | you don't need to switch |
| 21:07.20 | josephscott | MU doesn't really mean multi user |
| 21:07.23 | josephscott | just means MU |
| 21:07.28 | beandog | moo |
| 21:07.40 | josephscott | which was a bad name, because everyone thought it meant multi user |
| 21:07.57 | josephscott | multi site or multi blog is a better term |
| 21:10.54 | brasto | ok, maybe that's why I was thinking 'multi site' then. I probably heard it before. Whew, and I thought I was going crazy there. |
| 21:18.53 | mgeary | so, our church ward got merged with another ward. first meeting was last week |
| 21:20.07 | mgeary | guess who's in the new ward? https://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/executivebios/joshjames.html |
| 21:20.17 | mgeary | guy who founded Omniture |
| 21:20.49 | mgeary | gotta get to know him better... |
| 21:24.26 | brasto | I thought John Pestana founded Omniture. It started as MyComputer.com . John was my home teacher. |
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| 21:24.47 | brasto | John used to say "anything I can do for you?" |
| 21:25.08 | brasto | ... |
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| 21:28.47 | jsmith | brasto: They co-founded it |
| 21:28.58 | jsmith | brasto: Both John and Josh are great people |
| 21:29.50 | mgeary | we tried to get a guy in last night to give him a calling, turns out he was on a chartered jet coming back from the Caimen Islands with Josh |
| 21:29.52 | mgeary | rough life |
| 21:30.13 | mgeary | Josh was looking at some property out there |
| 21:31.00 | jsmith | I used to rack servers with Josh's little brothers... |
| 21:32.35 | mgeary | well, i should clarify that josh apparently lived in the ward until he made it big. then he bought a bigger, nicer home in the riverbottoms, but kept his place in our ward |
| 21:33.07 | mgeary | so he's got roots here, but i'm not sure how much time he spends at this house versus his other one |
| 21:33.41 | ninnypants | came in late what company started this convo |
| 21:34.28 | jsmith | ninnypants: Omniture... now part of Adobe |
| 21:34.59 | josephscott | adobiture |
| 21:35.14 | josephscott | omnobe? |
| 21:41.42 | beandog | ohnobe |
| 21:48.43 | thebigdog | ohnoobe |
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| 22:24.19 | supernovia | Hi guys |
| 22:25.20 | ninnypants | hola |
| 22:25.32 | supernovia | que tal? |
| 22:25.42 | ninnypants | nope |
| 22:28.01 | influx | Mas o menos. |
| 22:28.56 | supernovia | yeah, I'm trying to shift over to the mas end of that spectrum myself |
| 22:30.14 | influx | :D |
| 22:31.05 | fungus_ | ~x es en mas |
| 22:31.17 | supernovia | hmm |
| 22:31.29 | fungus_ | ~x es en menos |
| 22:31.30 | supernovia | mas o menos is like more or less, right? |
| 22:32.02 | supernovia | like more or less alright |
| 22:32.23 | supernovia | I wish we had PHP group tonight |
| 22:32.54 | supernovia | That, or I wish I had a table saw & router and a pocket jig |
| 22:33.26 | fungus_ | PHP group sounds safer |
| 22:33.42 | supernovia | Yeah I'd pick PHP group over power tools :) |
| 22:33.58 | beandog | whats a pocket jig |
| 22:34.36 | supernovia | Mmm, if I've got the word right I think it's a piece you can use to make a pocket kind of hole in some wood |
| 22:35.37 | supernovia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5cza-XVSHA |
| 22:36.24 | supernovia | I got the term wrong though, that isn't really what I need. Probably a special router bit would do the trick. |
| 22:37.55 | orsonj | heh, that's the video I just watched |
| 22:38.01 | supernovia | hehe, really? |
| 22:38.05 | orsonj | yep |
| 22:38.12 | herlo | ~seen mindjuju |
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| 22:38.15 | supernovia | making furniture or something? |
| 22:38.21 | orsonj | no, just googled the term |
| 22:38.27 | supernovia | ah |
| 22:39.26 | supernovia | But yeah I don't need that. A table saw and router would be nice though. |
| 22:40.28 | DexterTheDragon | table saws are beyond crafty |
| 22:40.53 | supernovia | what lies beyond crafty? |
| 22:41.14 | supernovia | prolly need a new battery :) |
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| 22:41.21 | orsonj | awesome is somewhere beyond crafty |
| 22:41.34 | supernovia | hehe |
| 22:42.06 | orsonj | but hot glue gun powers comes before crafty |
| 22:42.24 | supernovia | alas, I don't even have a hot glue gun anymore |
| 22:42.41 | DexterTheDragon | crafty is glueing glitter on hair scrunchies. table saws are building industrial furniture |
| 22:42.41 | orsonj | good, you won't give anyone crazy ideas |
| 22:42.47 | supernovia | lol |
| 22:42.53 | DexterTheDragon | you don't loose limbs being crafty |
| 22:43.02 | orsonj | you might lose friends though |
| 22:43.29 | supernovia | I need a brad nailer too. |
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| 22:44.29 | orsonj | I need another $200 worth of R/C equiptment, fried a bunch of stuff in a bad crash. |
| 22:44.39 | supernovia | d'oh. |
| 22:45.11 | influx | roooboooot houuuuuuuuse |
| 22:45.13 | influx | ! |
| 22:45.42 | orsonj | If I'm lucky we might have some tax refund left over after paying off some debt. |
| 22:46.06 | supernovia | If I'm lucky I might get a refund |
| 22:47.11 | supernovia | if I get a refund though it's going to be pretty awesome. :) |
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| 23:07.46 | supernovia | Are there any geeky conferences in SLC coming up at the end of this month? :-/ |
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| 23:16.01 | orsonj | I think the closest is geek lunch |
| 23:17.48 | supernovia | Yeah, sounds about right. My friend was asking if there was a conf coming up sometime around the same time as the LDS conf... I'm thinking she must be thinking of UTOSC in the fall |
| 23:19.30 | supernovia | she sells linux laptops and what not .. hoping she'll sponsor this year :) |
| 23:22.36 | mp_ | supernovia, mountain west ruby conf is happening right now |
| 23:23.13 | supernovia | yeah... too late for her to jump in on that one though for sure |
| 23:23.40 | mp_ | it's streaming somewhere |
| 23:23.46 | mp_ | i have the link if she needs it |
| 23:25.39 | supernovia | oh she's talking about actually coming /to/ a conf. Thanks though! how is mwrc going anyway? I am not a ruby chica (just a crafty one, right?) but I keep seeing notes about it in my twitter feed |
| 23:27.22 | mp_ | it's pretty good. totally packed. there are some heavy hitters there. |
| 23:28.08 | supernovia | that's cool. |
| 23:42.19 | tierra | josephscott: is there a WordPress API reference manual or something close to one somewhere? |
| 23:42.35 | josephscott | the codex has lots of docs |
| 23:42.40 | tierra | something that documents methods like wp_title(), bloginfo(), etc |
| 23:42.51 | supernovia | http://codex.wordpress.org/Main_Page |
| 23:43.00 | josephscott | http://codex.wordpress.org/Template_Tags/wp_title |
| 23:43.23 | josephscott | first result on http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=wp_title |
| 23:43.43 | supernovia | It's put together nicely too I think :) |
| 23:44.30 | tierra | oh, thank god, you can set to return strings instead of echo |
| 23:44.52 | tierra | that just about made my job a hell of a lot harder |
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| 23:58.50 | tierra | any you guys call yourselves programmers... sigh... |
| 23:58.53 | tierra | *and |
| 23:58.55 | tierra | http://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference |