| 01:01.11 | Heartsbane | Anyone have any recommendations for a meta-database search tool |
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| 07:12.45 | mindjuju | you around carmony? |
| 07:13.14 | carmony | nope.... |
| 07:13.15 | carmony | :P |
| 07:13.19 | carmony | sup mindjuju |
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| 15:32.34 | ninnypants | morning everyone |
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| 15:44.08 | cedwards | morning |
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| 16:33.55 | thebigdog | morning all! |
| 16:34.26 | influx | oi oi oi, big |
| 16:34.49 | ninnypants | morning |
| 16:36.41 | jsmith | morning thebigdog... morning all! |
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| 16:59.10 | cedwards | random question: what is preferred in here? S-Q-L or "sequel" |
| 16:59.26 | cedwards | I hear both very regularly. |
| 17:00.22 | ninnypants | I feel less typing is better typing |
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| 17:01.14 | jsmith | cedwards: S-Q-L |
| 17:01.16 | cedwards | regarding speaking though. do you say S-Q-L or sequel. |
| 17:01.35 | jsmith | cedwards: calling it "sequel" is a Microsoft-ism |
| 17:01.36 | undertakingyou | s-q-l |
| 17:02.26 | cedwards | jsmith: that is what I understood too. |
| 17:02.46 | jsmith | undertakingyou: Hey, long time, no IRC... what's up? |
| 17:12.03 | thebigdog | i use both depending on who i am talking too |
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| 17:19.07 | undertakingyou | jsmith: nothing. Lots of work. |
| 17:19.19 | undertakingyou | I am in here always, and I read quite a bit. |
| 17:19.24 | undertakingyou | Just not so chatty. |
| 17:19.30 | mgeary | anyone having sudden xmission issues? |
| 17:19.43 | undertakingyou | mgeary: what kind of issues? |
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| 17:33.00 | mgeary | undertakingyou: back up now. i was having a routing issue between xmission and fibernet |
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| 17:35.17 | mp_ | if anybody is (still) having xmission issues, msg me |
| 17:46.54 | beandog | ~shun mindjuju |
| 17:46.55 | ibot | You are dead to me, mindjuju. |
| 17:47.18 | beandog | :) |
| 18:02.07 | ninnypants | hey so I just lost a server lose all network access. I can't ping it and I can't ping from it. I've restarted the networking on the server and it should have network access because I'm currently using the net it's plugged into. I don't have a clue what happened any ideas? |
| 18:06.41 | mgeary | ninnypants: where's the machine? |
| 18:06.44 | thebigdog | do you have ping turned off |
| 18:08.10 | thebigdog | ninnypants: can you ssh into the box? |
| 18:09.09 | ninnypants | thebigdog: not anymore |
| 18:09.42 | ninnypants | mgeary: it's in my office the attempts to ping out were from direct input |
| 18:10.08 | mgeary | weird |
| 18:12.02 | ninnypants | thebigdog: as far as ping goes I think it's turned on it attempts the ping but replies "Connect: Network is unreachable" |
| 18:25.01 | fungus | ninnypants, check the interface config `ifconfig` |
| 18:25.16 | fungus | Does it have an IP, correct network mask, etc. |
| 18:26.08 | ninnypants | fungus: command not found |
| 18:26.09 | herlo | mgeary: my flowers are starting to come up a bit. I hope they are right |
| 18:26.21 | herlo | ninnypants: try /sbin/ifconfig |
| 18:26.26 | ninnypants | this could just turn out to be awesome |
| 18:28.14 | mgeary | i want to turn my sprinkler main back on so my waterfall reservoir doesn't need to be manually filled |
| 18:36.42 | ninnypants | fungus: this is the output |
| 18:36.43 | ninnypants | http://pastebin.com/teuCaL61 |
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| 19:21.34 | fungus | ninnypants, your interface isn't configured. |
| 19:23.44 | mindjuju | have ya'll seen this? dog reacts to emmenient earthquake? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQpj2kM7ItI |
| 19:23.51 | mindjuju | 100% no rick roll guarantee |
| 19:24.37 | ninnypants | fungus: new one my network card wasn't in the last one had to run ifconfig -a http://pastebin.com/GFhgcwr0 |
| 19:25.24 | fungus | If eth0 doesn't show in a normal ifconfig, then the interface is down |
| 19:25.55 | fungus | run `sudo ethtool eth0` and check to make sure it is actually connected to the switch. |
| 19:27.33 | fungus | If, in fact, it shows connected at proper speed. 100/Full for example, then you could try just bringing the interface "up". |
| 19:27.37 | fungus | `ifconfig eth0 up` |
| 19:30.52 | ninnypants | says ethtool comand not found |
| 19:32.16 | fungus | try /sbin/ethtool or /usr/sbin/ethtool |
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| 19:52.50 | ninnypants | fungus: it's back up now thanks |
| 19:53.46 | fungus | Cool. May I suggest that you add /sbin and /usr/sbin to your path permanently, so you avoid these "command not found" problems. :) |
| 19:55.33 | ninnypants | how do I do that? |
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| 19:56.36 | fungus | add `export PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin` to your .bashrc or .profile |
| 19:59.29 | ninnypants | thx |
| 20:10.38 | mindjuju | man, winders boxen dropping like flies in my office |
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| 20:39.29 | mgeary | thebigdog: hey |
| 20:39.39 | mgeary | i'm listening to your favorite song |
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| 21:15.19 | thebigdog | mgeary that is sick and wrong |
| 21:19.20 | mgeary | thebigdog: you get my email yesterday? |
| 21:19.36 | thebigdog | yeah did you get mine |
| 21:21.25 | thebigdog | mgeary: i am downloading those files now |
| 21:21.42 | thebigdog | that is what i am listening too |
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| 21:51.56 | mindjuju | thx mgeary! |
| 21:52.32 | mindjuju | hey! that reminds me! i've got healthy cookies in my aux pouch in my lunch bag thing |
| 21:52.36 | mindjuju | yum! |
| 21:52.55 | mgeary | yw |
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| 21:55.43 | wps | stderr: I have a neighbor who's son was just killed this morning in Afghanistan |
| 21:55.54 | wps | my wife and I were trying to think of something that we could do form them |
| 21:56.12 | wps | my wife though that it might be nice to go by a bunch of ribbons and tie them up and down the street |
| 21:56.54 | wps | no one in my family has served so I am not close to the military and it's customs and traditions |
| 21:57.12 | wps | I seem to remember that yellow ribbons are often used to represent the troops |
| 21:57.28 | wps | would yellow ribbons be appropriate to honor someone that has die? |
| 21:57.31 | wps | died |
| 21:57.50 | _psychic_ | stderr: a long while back you pointed me to a free IP to geo database, but I lost the URL.. remember what it was, by chance? |
| 21:58.42 | stderr | wps: no, yellow ribbons are NOT approporiate |
| 21:58.54 | wps | thanks, stderr |
| 21:58.56 | stderr | people make that mistake a lot, yellow ribbons are for people who're returning ALIVE from deployment |
| 21:58.58 | wps | any recommendations? |
| 21:59.27 | stderr | fly a flag / black ribbon to it's post |
| 21:59.29 | stderr | its* |
| 22:00.05 | wps | fly a flag and tie black ribbons to the flag pole? |
| 22:00.11 | stderr | one black ribbon, yea |
| 22:00.19 | wps | thanks |
| 22:00.29 | wps | I should call the scouts in our neighborhood |
| 22:00.39 | wps | they put flags up in everyone's yards during the holiday |
| 22:00.40 | mgeary | wps: sorry to hear about that :( |
| 22:00.52 | wps | we should have them put them up for the next few days |
| 22:01.01 | mgeary | thebigdog: did that file download for you? that server isn't responding for me atm |
| 22:01.02 | stderr | any actual flagpoles and you should talk to the proprietor about flying it half mast |
| 22:01.36 | stderr | non regulatory flags should be flown unaltered |
| 22:01.39 | stderr | http://en.allexperts.com/q/Flags-2191/Flag-protocol.htm |
| 22:01.59 | stderr | that also mentions lighting the flags at night, good idea as well |
| 22:02.22 | wps | yeah |
| 22:02.24 | wps | thank you |
| 22:02.27 | stderr | np |
| 22:02.55 | stderr | thanks for taking the time to clarify, a lot of people don't. |
| 22:03.05 | stderr | _psychic_: man, that was a while ago. |
| 22:03.10 | stderr | I can't honestly remember. |
| 22:03.20 | _psychic_ | something .name..... I think. :/ |
| 22:06.13 | tierra | http://geolite.maxmind.com/download/geoip/database/ <- free ones, but note that the free ones typically aren't very accurate, usually at least get country and probably region most of the time, but you shouldn't count on City |
| 22:06.37 | _psychic_ | that might work in the interim |
| 22:07.14 | stderr | ew, Maxmind |
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| 22:09.20 | wps | thanks, mgeary |
| 22:09.28 | DexterTheDragon | _psychic_: was it http://www.geonames.org/ |
| 22:09.34 | mgeary | wps, was it an IED? |
| 22:09.38 | wps | yes |
| 22:09.44 | _psychic_ | DexterTheDragon: ah that looks familiar |
| 22:10.03 | wps | I wish they'd bring our dang troops home |
| 22:11.03 | stderr | preaching to the choir |
| 22:11.11 | tierra | the MaxMind ones at least work directly with PHP's GeoIP module |
| 22:14.12 | stderr | is that beneficial? |
| 22:26.52 | stderr | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h-jWmAd7lmAzNcxUE9gDXq9c3BCwD9E639S80 |
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| 22:36.52 | Rippie | o/ anyone who uses mysql join and can answer if i join together 4 tables, can i somehow list table1 and inside that list table2 ? |
| 22:40.19 | mgeary | Rippie: not really sure what you mean |
| 22:42.39 | mindjuju | Rippie, are you saying that if you do a 4 table join, and you only want results from 2 of the 4 tables joined? if so, then the answer is yes |
| 22:42.52 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qGvQ22MM8M |
| 22:42.53 | jsmith | Rippie: There are lots of us that use JOINs (on MySQL or other databases)... tell us what you're trying to accomplish in plain English, and we'll try to help |
| 22:42.57 | mgeary | but if you're asking whether you can have a pony, the answer is no |
| 22:44.41 | Rippie | well, im not really sure if it is possible... i have a page that list vendors, products and peopleskills. and right now i have 3 queries and 3 while loops so achieve this... |
| 22:44.43 | mgeary | ...into jsmith's backyard |
| 22:44.43 | *** topic/#UPHPU by wps -> UPHPU Zoo |
| 22:44.50 | mindjuju | that reminds me of that my little pony musical from the other day |
| 22:44.56 | mgeary | mindjuju: don't go there |
| 22:45.08 | jsmith | Rippie: And the three tables are somehow connected by foreign keys? |
| 22:45.46 | Rippie | yes. JOIN |
| 22:46.22 | jsmith | Rippie: So you want to JOIN the vendors, products, and peopleskills tables... I'm with you so far... |
| 22:46.32 | Rippie | someone said, just read all tables at once. Which is fine, but then how do i list products under each vendors.. :) |
| 22:46.36 | jsmith | Rippie: What do you mean by "Can I list table1 and inside that list table2"? |
| 22:47.20 | mindjuju | ah,i think i get it |
| 22:47.32 | mindjuju | 4 tables, one has vendors, another has vendor products |
| 22:47.42 | mindjuju | he wants to list all the vendors AND their products |
| 22:47.45 | jsmith | SELECT vendors.name, products.name FROM vendors LEFT JOIN products ON vendors.id = products.vendor_id |
| 22:47.47 | mindjuju | in one table, yes? |
| 22:47.48 | jsmith | Something like that... |
| 22:48.33 | jsmith | ORDER BY vendors.name, products.name |
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| 22:50.19 | Rippie | jsmith, how would that be displayed on a page ? i need something like this: (1 min) |
| 22:50.59 | jsmith | $previous_vendor=''; |
| 22:51.13 | jsmith | while($row = $result->FetchRow()) |
| 22:51.13 | Rippie | vendor1: |
| 22:51.13 | Rippie | vendorproduct 1 |
| 22:51.13 | Rippie | vendorproduct 2 |
| 22:51.13 | Rippie | vendor2: |
| 22:51.13 | Rippie | vendorproduct 3 |
| 22:51.14 | Rippie | vendorproduct 4 |
| 22:51.22 | jsmith | { |
| 22:51.36 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.38 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.56 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.10 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.12 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.39 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.40 | jsmith | } |
| 22:52.55 | jsmith | Couple of typos in the column names, but you get the idea, right? |
| 22:52.59 | wps | the network at my work is a joke |
| 22:53.11 | jsmith | wps: the work at my network is a joke |
| 22:53.42 | wps | instead of setting up internal DNS, they roll out the "standard desktop" with all of the necessary internal domains set up in the hosts file |
| 22:54.05 | wps | so if you're not using the "standard desktop" nothing resolves |
| 22:54.13 | jsmith | wps: That's what dnsmasq is for :-p |
| 22:55.03 | orsonj | plugin a router, program it with the correct dns mappings, then plug it into your machine and pretend you think it is a switch |
| 22:56.04 | jsmith | orsonj: And even better, let it hand out DHCP addresses on the outside interface... |
| 22:56.21 | mindjuju | why fix it? as long as you've got a public DNS and can resolve those addresses, don't worry about the internal network :: enjoy the silence |
| 22:58.03 | wps | it just kills me how people can be so short sided that you would program something to only work with a single client |
| 22:58.16 | wps | even if you had a 100% windows only shop |
| 22:58.25 | wps | why in the world would you not set up standard DNS entries? |
| 22:59.17 | wps | why hard-code something into each workstation |
| 22:59.18 | wps | insane |
| 23:00.16 | *** topic/#UPHPU by wps -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 23:02.40 | jsmith | wps: You're trying to ascribe to malice what can probably be explain by incompetence |
| 23:03.41 | jsmith | wps: It probably boils down to "the grunt in charge of setting it up didn't know any better" |
| 23:03.49 | beandog | yah |
| 23:07.19 | thebigdog | stderr check this news out - http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=25298 |
| 23:07.44 | wps | yeahâ¦Â you're probably right |
| 23:07.53 | wps | it just seems like such basic networking though |
| 23:08.29 | thebigdog | how many people dont have the standard desktop though? |
| 23:08.46 | wps | several hundred |
| 23:09.09 | wps | but that's not entirely the pointâ¦Â if it's hard-coded into each desktop, you have to push that out to each workstation each time it changes |
| 23:09.22 | wps | so it's not just an "standard/non-standard workstation" issue |
| 23:10.02 | thebigdog | if they are pushing it out correctly it is really easy to do - again if they are doing it correctly |
| 23:10.03 | wps | that's like saying you're not going to use a network because you're just going to cache a copy of each website on each workstation |
| 23:10.25 | thebigdog | perhaps they like to stream and need the bandwidth |
| 23:10.43 | wps | isn't it even easier to just set the DNS up though? |
| 23:11.02 | thebigdog | that is another box you have to manage and resources for it |
| 23:11.21 | thebigdog | dns admin > mcse hehe |
| 23:11.31 | wps | alrightâ¦Â I'm done. I'll quit flooding the channel. |
| 23:11.51 | beandog | I could see a beginner doing that, though |
| 23:11.52 | beandog | I mean |
| 23:12.00 | beandog | If you want to point a name to a host, you edit the hosts file |
| 23:12.05 | beandog | Its a simple solution |
| 23:12.17 | beandog | propagating it to a network is just giving everyone the same setup |
| 23:12.28 | beandog | they might not even know about DNS servers or even DNS, just that "this works" |
| 23:13.00 | thebigdog | well it is really 2 departments or groups you are talking about |
| 23:13.11 | thebigdog | network vs desktop |
| 23:13.52 | thebigdog | which is what amazes me - cause a network admin would be all over that |
| 23:16.03 | mindjuju | hi, i'd like to order a Baconator, large fries and a lemonade please |
| 23:16.17 | wps | baconator? |
| 23:16.22 | mindjuju | http://media.qsrmagazine.com/Blair/baconator.jpg |
| 23:16.26 | wps | whoa |
| 23:16.29 | mindjuju | i've actually never had one |
| 23:16.30 | wps | Google bought picnic |
| 23:16.34 | wps | picnik |
| 23:16.37 | wps | didn't see that coming |
| 23:16.49 | mindjuju | i missed them, and i don't think they sell them anymore |
| 23:16.52 | mindjuju | i'm just hungry |
| 23:17.06 | mindjuju | looks spicy |
| 23:18.21 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: thats not a baconator |
| 23:18.29 | mindjuju | it's not? |
| 23:18.32 | mindjuju | it looks good |
| 23:20.06 | DexterTheDragon | that was their jalapeno burger |
| 23:21.18 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWFgNbNNSyc |
| 23:28.05 | DexterTheDragon | anybody else seeing the new google search results page? |
| 23:28.37 | wps | how would I know? |
| 23:28.38 | jsmith | DexterTheDragon: Define "new" |
| 23:28.49 | mindjuju | http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=Dexterthedragon&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&fp=150849709f2d197c |
| 23:28.53 | mindjuju | doesn't look new to me |
| 23:29.00 | beandog | mindjuju, lol |
| 23:29.07 | wps | perhaps a screenshot from DexterTheDragon would help |
| 23:29.10 | DexterTheDragon | looks like this http://gizmodo.com/5412801/how-to-try-the-new-google-search |
| 23:29.19 | wps | whoa |
| 23:29.24 | wps | nopeâ¦Â not seeing that |
| 23:29.32 | mindjuju | me nether |
| 23:29.35 | mindjuju | neither |
| 23:29.56 | mindjuju | oh cool |
| 23:29.56 | DexterTheDragon | its driving me nuts |
| 23:30.02 | mindjuju | that page has the JS to get the cookie |
| 23:30.06 | mindjuju | to get the new search |
| 23:31.18 | wps | gizmodo's trick didn't work |
| 23:31.26 | mindjuju | not for me either |
| 23:31.51 | jsmith | not for me either |
| 23:33.53 | beandog | it works on bing |
| 23:34.18 | stderr | anyone else goin to MWRC? |
| 23:36.55 | _psychic_ | two folks from my place |
| 23:37.20 | mgeary | rain moving to ror? |
| 23:38.06 | _psychic_ | moving? |
| 23:38.12 | mgeary | ah |
| 23:38.17 | _psychic_ | we use lots of tools for lots of things, and alot depends on what people ask for |
| 23:38.26 | mgeary | well, i've only ever heard you guys talking about php for serverside tech |
| 23:38.35 | _psychic_ | don't think we'll abandon php soon, but we do have a few production apps in rails |
| 23:38.41 | _psychic_ | and .net |
| 23:38.51 | _psychic_ | (and a few in JSP :/) |
| 23:39.14 | jsmith | beandog: You too, eh? |
| 23:39.20 | beandog | Oh yah |
| 23:39.26 | mgeary | ls -al |
| 23:39.27 | beandog | its great |
| 23:39.31 | mgeary | hhahah. oops |
| 23:39.34 | jsmith | mgeary: File or command not found |
| 23:40.45 | beandog | does anyone know where to buy cinder blocks |
| 23:41.01 | wps | Lehi Block |
| 23:41.59 | wps | javascript:void(document.cookie="PREF=ID=20b6e4c2f44943bb:U=4bf292d46faad806:TM=1249677602:LM=1257919388:S=odm0Ys-53ZueXfZG;path=/; domain=.google.com"); |
| 23:42.01 | wps | oops |
| 23:42.04 | wps | http://www.lehiblock.com/ |
| 23:42.08 | wps | clipboard failure |
| 23:43.26 | wps | wow |
| 23:43.33 | wps | that site is a usability nightmare |
| 23:43.53 | stderr | _psychic_: nice, yea, everyone from my work is goin' |
| 23:44.13 | _psychic_ | you do more ruby or python? |
| 23:44.16 | wps | hey, lehi block, the 90's called and they want your scrolling marque back |
| 23:44.20 | beandog | http://lastplacecomics.com/?p=150 |
| 23:44.21 | beandog | lol, whut? |
| 23:44.27 | pelaofeliz | wps: I like the Windows system sounds when you click the tabs in the flash |
| 23:44.39 | wps | pelaofeliz: did you click "contact us?" |
| 23:44.40 | beandog | wps, nice, but I only need like .. 8 |
| 23:44.55 | stderr | _psychic_: Ruby. |
| 23:45.03 | stderr | we're one of the gold sponsors for MWRC \m/ |
| 23:45.13 | _psychic_ | sweet |
| 23:45.21 | wps | I think you can get them at Home Depot |
| 23:45.31 | _psychic_ | stderr: which? |
| 23:45.42 | stderr | _psychic_: alliance health |
| 23:45.47 | beandog | http://flowingdata.com/2010/02/19/how-a-giant-shark-took-down-an-airplane/ |
| 23:46.00 | pelaofeliz | wps: Yeah, it's nice -- the designers still have their name on it: http://www.wolzdesigns.com/ |
| 23:46.18 | wps | that site comes up completely blank |
| 23:46.29 | wps | (with click2flash) |
| 23:46.39 | pelaofeliz | yeah, it's a flash home page |
| 23:46.43 | pelaofeliz | http://www.wolzdesigns.com/portfolio.html |
| 23:49.16 | *** join/#uphpu carmony (~justin@c-24-10-194-172.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:49.16 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v carmony] by ChanServ |
| 23:56.51 | thebigdog | http://nuttallbuilders.com/ |
| 23:58.47 | thebigdog | http://www.dddesignconcepts.com/ its like watching a movie |
| 23:59.11 | thebigdog | its official i threw up |
