| 00:08.28 | SunSparc | Loving it. |
| 00:08.53 | SunSparc | Anyone else on it? Give me your username so I can follow you. |
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| 00:59.29 | SunSparc | Laterz |
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| 02:50.00 | Zelut | this is interesting: http://cwe.mitre.org/top25/ |
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| 15:47.01 | ninnypants | anyone in here have an android phone? |
| 15:51.28 | jsmith | ninnypants: I have an Android emulator... does that count? |
| 15:51.43 | jsmith | ninnypants: (and I'll have a development phone next week) |
| 15:51.47 | utahcon | ninnypants: I have a G1 |
| 16:00.19 | ninnypants | any app recomendations? |
| 16:01.52 | utahcon | locale |
| 16:02.05 | utahcon | ninnypants: what phone do you have? |
| 16:02.23 | ninnypants | motorola droid |
| 16:03.13 | utahcon | ok you have the power for all the cool apps :D |
| 16:03.22 | utahcon | are you gonna root it? |
| 16:04.30 | ninnypants | not sure I'm not too experienced with *nix I've only set up a couple servers |
| 16:09.04 | utahcon | It's super easy, checkout xda-developers forums for all the details, or cyanogenmod.com (the best) |
| 16:09.09 | utahcon | Anywho... |
| 16:09.15 | utahcon | there are tons of great apps. |
| 16:09.46 | utahcon | It is hard to say what is the best apps though, unless you need an app for a specific purpose. |
| 16:10.36 | ninnypants | understandable |
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| 16:11.12 | ninnypants | not sure what I'm looking to do I'm just looking for some handy ones |
| 16:11.37 | utahcon | handy for... twitter? facebook? bloggin? general mayhem? |
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| 16:15.51 | carmony | do you feel your G1 is underpowered utahcon ? |
| 16:16.27 | ninnypants | general mayhem |
| 16:16.30 | utahcon | carmony: yes |
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| 16:16.50 | utahcon | in general the G1 is a great system, but I want the power of the Nexus One or better |
| 16:16.53 | carmony | it'd be cool if someone could install android on top of an iPhone :P |
| 16:17.21 | utahcon | carmony: I am sure someone has tried |
| 16:21.55 | ninnypants | wonder if anyone has tried to get an android emulator through the app store |
| 16:22.13 | _psychic_ | no emulators of any sort are in the app store |
| 16:23.17 | ninnypants | didn't figure |
| 16:29.41 | Utah_Dave | utahcon: I love my G1. I'm drooling over the Nexus one |
| 16:40.19 | DexterTheDragon | utahcon: http://www.wickedbad.net/heavyshorts/music/housecast_007_-_mixed_by_logan_hudak.mp3 |
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| 16:44.32 | utahcon | DexterTheDragon: Thanky |
| 16:45.59 | utahcon | NEC hits 16Gbps over USB 3.0 (damn) |
| 16:58.04 | utahcon | does SQL have a command for stripping all non-digits? (MySQL) |
| 17:01.12 | fungus | utahcon, nothing simple, but could probably be done with string functions |
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| 17:03.14 | thebigdog | morning all |
| 17:07.58 | ninnypants | morning |
| 17:08.28 | ninnypants | is there a simple editor for debian? vi is doing weird stuff |
| 17:08.56 | mindjuju | nano is an awesome editor |
| 17:09.09 | mindjuju | though heartsbane and fungus are suggesting i turn over to vim |
| 17:10.06 | fungus | ninnypants, vi takes a while to learn, but *while* you are learning pico/nano are usually available. |
| 17:10.07 | ninnypants | ah that's the editor I was trying to remember |
| 17:10.08 | utahcon | fungus: I ask because I came across this today: http://pastebin.ca/1801735 |
| 17:10.57 | utahcon | ninnypants: If you have 10 min to learn Vi(m) head over to Linux.com and search Vim 101... great 10 min to get you going full speed on Vi(m) |
| 17:11.07 | fungus | heh, that's what you gotta resort to w/o a UDF |
| 17:11.39 | fungus | ninnypants, learning Vi(m) is definitely a worthy goal. |
| 17:12.47 | ninnypants | yeah my only problem with vi was that it was giving output when I use the arrow keys, but if I hit delete it lets me use them |
| 17:12.53 | ninnypants | weird |
| 17:13.08 | ninnypants | but I'll jump over and check out vim |
| 17:13.19 | fungus | ninnypants, vim isn't any different from that. |
| 17:13.44 | fungus | You gotta learn the new concept of a modal editor. |
| 17:14.00 | fungus | insert mode isn't made for moving around. that's what command mode is for |
| 17:14.51 | fungus | though if your terminal setup wasn't weird the arrow keys do work in insert mode, but that is discouraged. |
| 17:16.16 | ninnypants | ok I've never used vi always nano didn't know about the modes what's the best way to switch between modes? |
| 17:16.59 | fungus | http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/228600-vim-101-a-beginners-guide-to-vim |
| 17:17.25 | fungus | Start here, but generally "i" to go to insert mode. ESC to go back to command mode |
| 17:17.44 | Zelut | I'd suggest checking out the 'vimtutor' command. |
| 17:18.02 | fungus | good point. vimtutor is really nice too |
| 17:22.32 | Zelut | once you take the time to learn vi/m you'll never look back. |
| 17:23.21 | ninnypants | yeah from the link fungus sent me I'm already realizing how much more powerful it is |
| 17:23.57 | carmony | crap, I got to finish my UPHPU presentation :P |
| 17:24.14 | fungus | you got a few hours, you're ok. :) |
| 17:24.15 | stderr | I dunno why more people don't use vimtutor |
| 17:25.02 | jsmith | stderr: Because most people fear having to actually learn anything? |
| 17:26.06 | stderr | true enough, I suppose. |
| 17:26.12 | Zelut | I like vim so much I do all my wiki editing in it (It's All Text extension), and I write my emails in it in mutt. |
| 17:26.19 | mindjuju | nah, i think it has more to do with people not knowing about it. i didn't know until stderr told me about it |
| 17:26.23 | mindjuju | it was good |
| 17:26.55 | stderr | Zelut: Vimperator too? |
| 17:27.35 | Zelut | stderr: off and on. |
| 17:28.18 | stderr | I rarely use vim nowadays. |
| 17:29.06 | Zelut | generally, 95% of my day-to-day consists of vim and ssh. |
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| 17:31.36 | *** topic/#UPHPU by macnewbold -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org | Meeting tonight! 7pm @ Bill Good - Mike Place (XMission) on Stackable | 9pm Draper Applebee's |
| 17:33.33 | ninnypants | vi(m) isn't bad now that I know it's modal |
| 17:35.32 | Zelut | ninnypants: do you have a .vimrc setup? it gets better when you've got it config'd. |
| 17:37.25 | Zelut | ninnypants: http://pastebin.com/d42d27a64 - colorscheme tango requires .vim/colors/tango.vim (http://is.gd/8Fees) |
| 17:39.29 | ninnypants | Zelut: not sure I just got access to this server today |
| 17:40.25 | Zelut | ninnypants: even if you don't have admin you can create .vimrc in your home folder to customize it. |
| 17:40.39 | Zelut | ninnypants: mine is really basic |
| 17:45.41 | ninnypants | may do that I don't mind the current colors and things though |
| 17:54.34 | redroy1 | Does anyone use an iPhone app for tracking freelance hours they like? |
| 17:58.07 | jtsnow | Freshbooks has an iphone app, but I haven't used it |
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| 18:06.04 | mindjuju | ravetrax.com is in rare form |
| 18:06.08 | mindjuju | v good stuff |
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| 18:16.17 | beandog | meh |
| 18:21.50 | mindjuju | man, every time i think jw player rocks the house, i find out something new about it and i'm blown away |
| 18:29.35 | ninnypants | how do I remove a sym link? I've deleted the file but the link is still there |
| 18:29.59 | Zelut | ninnypants: you should be able to delete the symlink file just the same |
| 18:30.33 | ninnypants | tried that it tells me it doesn't exist |
| 18:31.22 | mpxm | 'unlink <symlink>' |
| 18:34.20 | ninnypants | no luck with unlink either |
| 18:41.36 | stderr | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1819739920100218?type=marketsNews |
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| 18:44.28 | _psychic_ | stderr: you read the unfolding story in Austin? |
| 18:45.14 | stderr | _psychic_: yea |
| 18:45.19 | _psychic_ | http://embeddedart.com/ |
| 18:45.24 | _psychic_ | crazy |
| 18:45.25 | _psychic_ | and sad |
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| 18:47.05 | mindjuju | too funny - http://pleaserobme.com/ |
| 18:52.13 | beandog | That's why I take my TV with me to work everyday. |
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| 19:14.58 | mindjuju | ~apb trevyn |
| 19:14.58 | ibot | ACTION hires Tim to spray mace at trevyn |
| 19:15.05 | mindjuju | err, wrong command |
| 19:15.09 | mindjuju | ~seen trevyn |
| 19:15.11 | ibot | trevyn <n=trevyn@68-26-146-66.pools.spcsdns.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 297d 1h 42m 48s ago, saying: 'Dezertol: if you sub it out times by 6'. |
| 19:16.00 | mindjuju | ~seen wtrevyn |
| 19:16.00 | ibot | wtrevyn <~42f120a0@gateway/web/freenode/x-lmedxancvbtuquas> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 13d 20h 57m 51s ago, saying: 'and what is the CTCP stuff?'. |
| 19:16.05 | Zelut | sure would be useful if we had bots irl, particularly for the ~larts :) |
| 19:17.06 | mindjuju | true that |
| 19:17.20 | mindjuju | well, i guess that's what a crony is for though |
| 19:18.10 | mindjuju | no doubt, except this time, i'm going to call applebees in af ew to let 'em know we're coming |
| 19:18.15 | mindjuju | so they can have more help on hand |
| 19:28.08 | ninnypants | stupid spelling always messing me up |
| 19:29.36 | Zelut | so I notice UPHPU and Utah Python both meet at the same place. Something about that location? |
| 19:29.56 | mindjuju | the nexus of Coolness |
| 19:30.10 | Zelut | the Nexus One of Coolness? :) |
| 19:30.35 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:30.41 | mindjuju | all that is cool is at BGM |
| 19:31.03 | mindjuju | i'm starting to think ubuntu utah should have a southern brach meet there |
| 19:31.13 | mindjuju | as it too, is cool |
| 19:31.28 | Zelut | well ubuntu utah is looking for a new location.. |
| 19:31.37 | mindjuju | they are? |
| 19:32.03 | Zelut | we've been meeting up at the U for 2+yrs, but its _way_ up the hill and no food/drink, so i've decided to start shopping. |
| 19:32.15 | carmony | what would happen if you found a new job mindjuju? :P |
| 19:32.26 | brasto | I'm moving one of my sites over to Wordpress from Drupal. I'm starting to remember some of the things I didn't like about Wordpress when I first tried it about 3 or 4 years ago. If I use the html tab to write my own code, it strips out <br /> tags I put in and it automatically puts a <br /> every carriage return in the code. So I can't write code that looks good. It has to be all on one long line until I want a <br />... |
| 19:32.32 | mindjuju | then the nexus of Coolness would relocate |
| 19:33.11 | carmony | your company is fine with having all these after hours meetings? :P |
| 19:33.50 | brasto | Why why why, when someone wants to write their own html, it should not do that! I can see doing that in a gui, but not raw html. |
| 19:34.06 | brasto | So anyone know how to disable that non-feature in wordpress? |
| 19:34.13 | brasto | josephscott maybe? |
| 19:34.14 | carmony | where in WordPress is it doing that? in your posts? |
| 19:34.18 | brasto | yes |
| 19:34.21 | brasto | in posts |
| 19:34.24 | josephscott | ? |
| 19:35.34 | Zelut | I do manual HTML in wordpress all the time and don't have any show-stopping issues. |
| 19:36.34 | josephscott | was there a WordPress question in there? I disable the visual editor in WP, personally never really got into. That said it has gotten much better than it used to be |
| 19:37.14 | brasto | josephscott: look up to where I said I'm moving one of my sites over to Wordpress from Drupal. |
| 19:37.26 | brasto | I'm putting an example in pastebin |
| 19:38.11 | josephscott | brasto: then don't use the visual editor :-) |
| 19:39.18 | brasto | http://pastebin.ca/1801875 |
| 19:39.33 | brasto | I thought I wasn't using the visual editor if I go to html? |
| 19:40.03 | brasto | One tab says 'Visual' |
| 19:40.08 | brasto | the other 'html' |
| 19:40.15 | brasto | oh, in caps though |
| 19:40.28 | brasto | so am I still using the visual editor on the HTML tab? |
| 19:42.31 | josephscott | if you see those tabs then yes you are using the visual editor |
| 19:42.42 | josephscott | go to your profile page, there's a check box at the top |
| 19:43.10 | josephscott | if you used to writing your own HTML I'd recommend turning it off |
| 19:47.29 | brasto | ok, I checked that. I'll give it a new try. Now here's another thing for you josephscott. I uploaded a picture. I used the button to insert an image. I went to the tab to choose an image from the uploaded files. I picked the right picture. It has an option for thumbnail with a link to the picture, but I can't click the thumbnail option. I can only insert a full thumbnail. That's part of the reason I'm writing my own code. I have |
| 19:47.54 | josephscott | errors? |
| 19:50.22 | brasto | no errors I know of. It just wont let me click the thumbnail option. I'll try to click it and watch the apache logs. |
| 19:51.38 | josephscott | it might need an image library, like GD or something, I don't recall |
| 19:52.48 | brasto | yea, no errors. I just can't click 'thumbnail' |
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| 19:59.19 | thebigdog | great site: http://pleaserobmindjuju.com/ |
| 20:00.49 | mindjuju | greatsite : thebigdogIsANerd.com |
| 20:02.10 | thebigdog | dude just wait till tonight |
| 20:02.12 | thebigdog | haha |
| 20:02.56 | beandog | whats tonight? |
| 20:03.00 | beandog | cage match? |
| 20:03.21 | thebigdog | mindjuju would win though....power of the babe |
| 20:03.54 | stderr | what babe? |
| 20:04.19 | thebigdog | the babe with the power |
| 20:04.19 | beandog | babe with the power |
| 20:04.27 | mindjuju | <Inigo Montoya>ithere will be blood, tonight!</Inigo Montoya> |
| 20:04.39 | stderr | what power? |
| 20:04.46 | mindjuju | power of voodoo |
| 20:04.53 | thebigdog | who do? |
| 20:04.57 | influx | no one |
| 20:05.00 | mindjuju | you do! |
| 20:05.46 | beandog | do what? |
| 20:06.08 | influx | nalgas |
| 20:06.09 | thebigdog | remind me of the babe |
| 20:06.27 | mindjuju | beandog, for a moment, i thought you understood |
| 20:06.29 | mindjuju | sad |
| 20:06.35 | mindjuju | thebigdog, you rock |
| 20:06.40 | beandog | mindjuju, whot? |
| 20:07.13 | mindjuju | labrynth |
| 20:07.38 | mindjuju | you remind me of the babe, babe with the power, power of voodoo, who do? you do! remind me of the babe |
| 20:07.40 | beandog | I did get it |
| 20:07.50 | mindjuju | oh |
| 20:07.56 | mindjuju | i got confused when you said this |
| 20:08.06 | mindjuju | 0713:06] <+beandog> 01do what? |
| 20:08.09 | beandog | Yah |
| 20:08.12 | beandog | mindjuju, lyrics fail |
| 20:08.19 | beandog | who do? |
| 20:08.21 | beandog | you do! |
| 20:08.22 | beandog | do what? |
| 20:08.27 | beandog | you remind me of the babe! |
| 20:08.57 | beandog | :) |
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| 20:10.23 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:10.35 | beandog | whats the intro php section of the meeting tonight? |
| 20:10.45 | beandog | mindjuju, who is presenting next month? |
| 20:10.48 | thebigdog | lyrics by group |
| 20:11.18 | mindjuju | @beandog, that's on cookies and sessions in PHP |
| 20:11.21 | josephscott | it's bad enough my wife is always watching that movie, low it's in IRC :-( |
| 20:11.26 | mindjuju | presented by Carmony |
| 20:11.27 | stderr | http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/02/18/nooka-augmented-reality-accessorizer-not-real-but-it-should-be/ |
| 20:13.31 | mindjuju | that's awesome! |
| 20:14.17 | mindjuju | ~apb herlo |
| 20:14.18 | ibot | ACTION hires Leland to stake out herlo |
| 20:15.21 | Zelut | wow |
| 20:21.10 | stderr | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9158818/Pa._schools_spy_on_students_using_laptop_webcams_claims_lawsuit?taxonomyId=84 |
| 20:24.19 | thebigdog | stderr i think that PA school district is run by the same guys that are running http://pleaserobme.com |
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| 20:29.24 | supernovia | Did I miss anything? |
| 20:29.39 | thebigdog | news and music |
| 20:30.09 | utahcon | supernovia: yes, but I refuse to do it again |
| 20:30.12 | supernovia | All for another omelet and a conf. call |
| 20:30.13 | influx | ]Mindjuju danced for us via webcam. |
| 20:30.29 | thebigdog | @ school |
| 20:30.31 | supernovia | I heard there was song |
| 20:30.44 | supernovia | I've been home since noon today |
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| 20:30.55 | utahcon | and louder |
| 20:31.31 | supernovia | hehe |
| 20:35.55 | supernovia | it kinda made me laugh though thinking "Sucker!!" |
| 20:36.45 | mindjuju | broken heart sucker? |
| 20:37.34 | supernovia | hehe, yeah, a lollipop - heart shaped. I opened it and it fell apart. hehe |
| 20:37.50 | mindjuju | is sudo lshw -businfo a good way to go to list all usb devices? |
| 20:38.00 | mindjuju | sad! |
| 20:38.01 | beandog | or lsusb |
| 20:38.52 | mindjuju | hmmm |
| 20:38.54 | mindjuju | not there |
| 20:39.02 | mindjuju | ...sigh... |
| 20:39.05 | supernovia | I thought it was funny.. hehe. Also funny: the time Mary asked if we could go to the Hard Liquor store. I said, "WHAT?" and she said, "You know, the place where we buy lollipops." |
| 20:39.07 | mindjuju | i hate this custom driver thing |
| 20:39.22 | supernovia | mmm, had to do that the other day.. |
| 20:39.23 | mindjuju | that's too funny supernovia |
| 20:39.39 | supernovia | how about lsusb mindjuju? |
| 20:40.04 | mindjuju | well, lsusb showed everything |
| 20:40.09 | mindjuju | but my device wasn't there |
| 20:40.14 | mindjuju | :( |
| 20:40.19 | supernovia | :( indeed |
| 20:40.39 | mindjuju | i've fought this battle for hours tryikng to get this device driver to work |
| 20:40.54 | mindjuju | my saving grace though, is that herlo tried it, if i understood correctly, and it didn't work for him either |
| 20:40.58 | mindjuju | so it's not all me |
| 20:41.06 | supernovia | ah, sorry I didn't see that beandog had typed that already. I think I'm lagging |
| 20:41.12 | mindjuju | but ive got to think the driver is working for somebody, because they keep making them |
| 20:41.30 | beandog | mindjuju, what device |
| 20:41.38 | mindjuju | vga2usb |
| 20:41.47 | beandog | Oh. |
| 20:41.51 | mindjuju | i spent a crapload of time on it back in Nov. |
| 20:41.52 | supernovia | I just returned my usb wireless adapter.. twas a no go |
| 20:41.59 | beandog | supernovia, which one did you have |
| 20:42.01 | Zelut | what device is this? |
| 20:42.13 | mindjuju | zelut - it's a frame grabber |
| 20:42.20 | mindjuju | i use it to record uphpu and upython |
| 20:42.25 | supernovia | mmmm, I think I am supressing memories of it |
| 20:42.27 | mindjuju | i WANT to use it in ubuntu |
| 20:42.33 | mindjuju | but i can thus far only use it in winders |
| 20:43.16 | supernovia | I can't even remember now but I do know they'd stopped making linux drivers for it and even the old driver wouldn't fly straight |
| 20:43.19 | mindjuju | zelut - http://www.epiphan.com/products/frame-grabbers/vga2usb/ |
| 20:43.30 | mindjuju | works like a champ on xp |
| 20:44.39 | utahcon | mindjuju: is there anything in the logs when you plug in the device? |
| 20:44.59 | utahcon | in dmesg |
| 20:45.21 | utahcon | your machine may be seeing it as something other than usb? |
| 20:46.00 | mindjuju | k, it says new high speed usb devvice using chci_hcd and address 4 |
| 20:46.09 | mindjuju | but before that , it has an error about the driver |
| 20:46.11 | mindjuju | saying |
| 20:46.24 | mindjuju | vga2usb: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout |
| 20:46.27 | mindjuju | i guess that is bad |
| 20:46.34 | utahcon | sounds bad |
| 20:46.39 | supernovia | They should just agree to disagree |
| 20:48.54 | brasto | josephscott: http://pastebin.ca/1801968 |
| 20:49.11 | brasto | Wordpress still automagically puts in <br /> tags |
| 20:50.10 | josephscott | it's probably inserting them where there are newline characters |
| 20:51.41 | josephscott | there are plugins out there to turn that off, something like - http://urbangiraffe.com/plugins/disable-wpautop/ |
| 20:51.42 | brasto | I want to have new lines in the code, but not in the output. I don't want all my code on one line just to avoid Wordpress automatically putting br tags in there. |
| 20:52.28 | josephscott | or this - http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/disable-wpautop/ |
| 20:52.33 | brasto | why do they do that in html mode? It just doesn't make sense. |
| 20:52.38 | undertakingyou | mindjuju: ping!!!! |
| 20:52.44 | utahcon | josephscott: You should tell Matt to look into getting MyFaceSpaceBook :D |
| 20:52.49 | utahcon | and forward it to wordpress :d |
| 20:52.50 | brasto | If I want a br tag, I'll put a br tag in, if I'm writing html. |
| 20:52.57 | undertakingyou | http://undertakingyou.com/general/book-review-zend-enterprise-php-patterns/ <<< mindjuju there is the book review. |
| 20:53.19 | josephscott | because most people when they put in a new line want a break |
| 20:53.22 | brasto | thanks for the links josephscott, I'll look at those. |
| 20:53.31 | josephscott | and when there two newlines they usually have a paragraph |
| 20:53.35 | utahcon | brasto: are you posting code? |
| 20:53.36 | supernovia | lol undertakingyou |
| 20:53.38 | brasto | Most people who write html code don't want to format their code so it looks good? |
| 20:53.55 | undertakingyou | supernovia: ??? |
| 20:54.07 | brasto | utahcon: I'm writing html code into a wordpress page. |
| 20:54.16 | supernovia | I've never seen such an excited ping |
| 20:54.33 | undertakingyou | ahh, yes :) |
| 20:54.41 | undertakingyou | You going to the meeting tonight supernovia ? |
| 20:54.46 | supernovia | like it was singing too |
| 20:54.49 | utahcon | brasto: as part of a post ? Have you looked at Syntax Highlighter? |
| 20:54.55 | mpxm | brasto: try this http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/disable-wpautop/ |
| 20:55.01 | supernovia | I think so... big debate as to whether I want to learn about making Cookies or Rolls |
| 20:55.14 | herlo | mindjuju: are you talking about the vga2usb device? |
| 20:55.16 | undertakingyou | cookies and rolls rock. You should come. |
| 20:55.35 | undertakingyou | supernovia: I also want to ask you about hiring your design expertice |
| 20:55.39 | josephscott | supernovia: are you bringing cookies and rolls tonight? That would be awesome :-) |
| 20:55.52 | supernovia | Can't do both. RS switched their meeting nights to 3rd Thursdays (wah wah!) |
| 20:56.18 | supernovia | So I could learn about making rolls with Molly, or cookies with Carmony |
| 20:56.24 | utahcon | herlo: he was |
| 20:56.35 | carmony | Cookies, cookies, cookies! |
| 20:56.36 | undertakingyou | ahhh . . . cookies > rolls |
| 20:56.38 | supernovia | I probably could make cookies for the meeting.. hummmm |
| 20:57.05 | carmony | lol |
| 20:57.09 | supernovia | Yeah I was thinking if the goal is for me to be a better mother, making cookies and learning more about landing sales is probably going to further the cause faster |
| 20:57.25 | undertakingyou | I like where you head is aty |
| 20:57.27 | undertakingyou | at. |
| 20:57.43 | utahcon | better mother = cookies? |
| 20:57.49 | DexterTheDragon | utahcon: duh |
| 20:57.51 | supernovia | you know it! |
| 20:58.02 | utahcon | I am down with that theory, better ask Liz to be a better mother for my children, so I have more fresh cookies to eat :D |
| 20:58.07 | undertakingyou | no utahcon: supernovia + cookies == better mother |
| 20:58.08 | supernovia | hehe |
| 20:58.43 | herlo | utahcon: cool |
| 20:59.00 | brasto | mpxm, thank you, that's the same as what josephscott sent earlier. I think I'll give it a try. |
| 20:59.26 | brasto | but it should be the default to render html as it is written, not stick br's in there when I didn't put them in there. |
| 20:59.34 | mpxm | ah, sorry. wasn't paying attention earlier. hope that works. |
| 20:59.44 | brasto | no prob mpxm |
| 20:59.49 | mpxm | heh, i hear you. i've encountered that myself and it's annoying. |
| 21:00.02 | supernovia | and undertakingyou are you going to be there? we could chat about my expertise then |
| 21:00.18 | supernovia | I figure I'll at least go to Applebees. |
| 21:00.41 | thebigdog | mpxm: im looking forward to the presentation |
| 21:00.41 | undertakingyou | supernovia: Yeah, I am going. carmony is giving me a ride again. |
| 21:00.46 | supernovia | Sweet. |
| 21:00.46 | thebigdog | i have a bunch of questions |
| 21:01.09 | undertakingyou | stackable is sweet. I use it now. |
| 21:01.28 | mpxm | thebigdog, thanks. i'm looking forward to coming out and chatting about it. |
| 21:01.36 | mpxm | undertakingyou, cool. glad you like it. |
| 21:01.58 | undertakingyou | mpxm: np, it works well. :) |
| 21:01.58 | thebigdog | mpxm will you be able to get into the backend architecture you are employing? |
| 21:02.27 | mpxm | thebigdog we were assigned twenty minutes for our presentation so it's a high-level feature overview but i'm happy to talk in as much detail as people want to hear. |
| 21:02.28 | supernovia | guess I'd better go switch out of sweats at least. see you guys tonight, I hope! |
| 21:02.42 | undertakingyou | supernovia: see you then. |
| 21:02.51 | supernovia | see ya |
| 21:02.57 | stderr | mpxm: any word on RoR stacks? |
| 21:03.03 | thebigdog | mpxm: k sounds good |
| 21:03.19 | mpxm | stderr we're considering a ror stack but django is slotted in ahead of it right now |
| 21:03.35 | stderr | Any particular reason? |
| 21:03.42 | mpxm | just because nobody is doing top-notch django hosting yet and there are a number of very good ror hosters |
| 21:03.50 | stderr | gotcha |
| 21:04.14 | mpxm | but we do plan on coming over to railsconf to talk to devs about want they want in a rails offering |
| 21:04.22 | thebigdog | yeah there are not many great django ones |
| 21:04.25 | mpxm | err, mountain west ruby conf i mean |
| 21:04.52 | thebigdog | stderr: you guys using ror? |
| 21:06.49 | stderr | mpxm: ah, great, I'll be there. |
| 21:06.54 | stderr | thebigdog: Yup. |
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| 21:11.06 | brasto | alright, later, after I get my sites migrated to the new server, I'll have 2 issues to figure out. First is that problem yesterday with .htaccess files and mod rewrite, and the second is wordpress not creating thumbnails when uploading pictures, which I imagine is why wordpress wont let me choose the thumbnail option for any uploaded photos. |
| 21:11.34 | carmony | hehe, funny message from my dropbox: http://screencast.com/t/YTMyNTJiOTU |
| 21:11.51 | romanovic | mgeary: ping |
| 21:12.12 | mgeary | romanovic: pong |
| 21:12.38 | thebigdog | carmony that is hilarious |
| 21:12.44 | thebigdog | mgeary: you party too much |
| 21:13.25 | brasto | mpxm and josephscott: the plugin suggested to disable the wordpress auto br tags works. |
| 21:13.28 | mgeary | thebigdog: that's me |
| 21:13.52 | mpxm | brasto good news |
| 21:14.05 | josephscott | carmony: it should have said get a real Internet connection :) |
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| 21:14.48 | josephscott | brasto: good, wpautop can be great if you write content, but can also be a pain if you want a 1:1 in code/HTML |
| 21:16.01 | Jacob_Kerr | Hey guys I have this bug that is kind of odd. Get this the shopping cart I work on will not print out a list of categories it acts as if it times our or an error is thrown and the script exits. The thing that is really messing with me is the categories will list if I print out all the errors using the following code: ini_set('display_errors','1'); |
| 21:16.01 | Jacob_Kerr | ini_set('display_startup_errors','1'); |
| 21:16.02 | Jacob_Kerr | error_reporting (E_ALL); |
| 21:17.14 | Jacob_Kerr | Does that make any sense? Why would they print when I print out errors and not if I am not forcing errors to print. I get no fatal or warnings to just notices. |
| 21:20.45 | mpxm | display_errors won't show you anything if the script has fatal errors |
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| 21:26.10 | Jacob_Kerr | mpxm: The thing is the script works when I force errors to print. It does not otherwise I thought that was way odd. |
| 21:27.08 | beandog | man |
| 21:27.12 | beandog | what did we ever do before youtube |
| 21:31.30 | stderr | worked. |
| 21:32.34 | brasto | josephscott: what do you mean by 1:1 in code/HTML? |
| 21:32.39 | Jacob_Kerr | lol |
| 21:32.49 | Jacob_Kerr | stderr: Good one :) |
| 21:32.56 | josephscott | meaning you get out exactly what you typed in |
| 21:33.30 | josephscott | in general that isn't true for WP because it expects to be outputting HTML and tries to make the content work in that context |
| 21:33.34 | carmony | beandog: worked |
| 21:33.36 | carmony | :P |
| 21:33.38 | brasto | it seems to me that not putting <br /> tags that are not really there in the first place is more a one to one relationship between code and html... |
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| 21:34.53 | josephscott | that's what I said, WP doesn't really do 1:1, for the reason I just mentioned |
| 21:35.28 | brasto | hmmm, I added the sticky plugin for wordpress, and sticky'ed the only item I want to be at the top of all the others, and it doesn't work. |
| 21:35.37 | brasto | the one stickied post isn't at the top. |
| 21:36.30 | brasto | it's a post meant to introduce the site. |
| 21:38.55 | josephscott | sticky posts are a core WP feature, no plugin required |
| 21:48.24 | brasto | Where do I sticky something then? I didn't notice anywhere on the posts, josephscott. |
| 21:50.13 | josephscott | brasto: edit post screen, under the publish box. 'Visibility' has a checkbox for 'Stick this post to the front page' |
| 21:55.22 | brasto | nifty. I see it now. Thanks josephscott. |
| 21:55.30 | josephscott | yep |
| 21:56.17 | romanovic | anyone can tell me why my PNG doesn't want to repeat-y in ie7? |
| 21:56.38 | romanovic | well, it repeats part of the way down, then just stops |
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| 22:18.55 | Jacob_Kerr | So I have to rewrite this function to be more optimal: http://pastebin.com/d74182da9 |
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| 22:22.15 | Jacob_Kerr | If I could just get rid of that foreach loop some how it would prob be 10x better. |
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| 22:27.30 | Jacob_Kerr | the problem is the system pulls all the cats and subcats at once I should prob setup ajax so pull the cats and then pull sub cats with ajax when user clicks on the main cat eh?? :) |
| 22:29.32 | ninnypants | not necessarialy each ajax request resends all headers and cookies so it could actually make it less effective overall |
| 22:31.25 | bigdog_ut | only if php had lazy loading |
| 22:31.40 | bigdog_ut | i think version 8 will have it |
| 22:31.41 | bigdog_ut | hehe |
| 22:33.25 | ninnypants | china? |
| 22:33.30 | ninnypants | hehe |
| 22:34.03 | ninnypants | had to be something crazy |
| 22:35.15 | mindjuju | ...sigh... |
| 22:35.27 | utahcon | I hope josephscott will be forthcoming with info :d |
| 22:37.05 | josephscott | it being worked on, believe me it's getting lots of attention right now |
| 22:39.02 | Jacob_Kerr | Well I have done it in another section of the cart it makes it so much better. |
| 22:39.13 | utahcon | josephscott: any insight? |
| 22:39.24 | Jacob_Kerr | The reason is right now all the categories and subcat load at once. With AJAX i load only what is needed at the time.. |
| 22:40.10 | josephscott | utahcon: lots going on, hopefully more later once things are mostly normal again |
| 22:41.11 | ninnypants | yeah but with ajax you run into other problem like javascript not being enabled. not very common anymore but still something to think about |
| 22:42.59 | mgeary | these days a ton of websites will break w/o js... |
| 22:43.17 | mindjuju | fungus, you around? |
| 22:43.26 | mgeary | i mean, look at how facebook uses js... and that's the trailer park of the internet |
| 22:43.31 | mgeary | ;) |
| 22:43.37 | fungus | mindjuju, yes |
| 22:43.53 | beandog | mgeary, lol |
| 22:44.09 | mgeary | so i wonder when/if it's safe to simply deny access to non-js-enabled visitors... |
| 22:44.36 | beandog | when you get as much traffic as FB |
| 22:44.37 | mindjuju | @fungus - so quick question. I know 3 months ago I drove everybody batty trying to install the driver for this frame grabber. I'm wondering, does it make sense in any way for me to try a different kernel / install of ubuntu? |
| 22:45.29 | mindjuju | like, maybe the 8.04 LTS |
| 22:45.29 | mgeary | ~mbp mindjuju |
| 22:45.30 | ibot | ACTION puts another nickel in mindjuju's "Get a MacBook Pro" jar |
| 22:45.30 | beandog | mindjuju, no, there havent been significant enough changes. If you were on an install that was, say, >6mos old, then yes |
| 22:45.30 | fungus | sure it might help. |
| 22:45.30 | mgeary | ibot: wake up |
| 22:45.31 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 22:45.31 | fungus | most important though is to make sure the headers you are building against are the same version that you are running. |
| 22:45.51 | mindjuju | k, so the headers for the driver match the kernel version |
| 22:45.57 | mindjuju | i can do that |
| 22:46.34 | fungus | mindjuju, no. the headers of the kernel you are building the driver against match the running kernel |
| 22:47.08 | orsonj | anyone here have experience/preferences for online file storage? |
| 22:47.36 | mgeary | i store files online |
| 22:47.51 | mindjuju | @fungus, what do I even read online to help me to understand what you just said? |
| 22:47.53 | fungus | orsonj, DropBox. |
| 22:47.59 | mindjuju | dropbox ftw |
| 22:48.35 | fungus | When you are building the driver, you have to specify, the location of the linux kernel headers in order to build the driver. |
| 22:48.59 | fungus | This location of kernel headers must match the version of the running kernel. |
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| 22:49.54 | mindjuju | well, when I was all sudo make and sudo make load on the strictly debian version |
| 22:49.59 | mindjuju | it didn't throw an error about location |
| 22:50.04 | mindjuju | so i think i'm ok on that |
| 22:50.13 | mindjuju | it was pissy about vga2usb.ko and symbols |
| 22:50.26 | mindjuju | then when i was trying this other version of the driver it was pissy about something else |
| 22:51.11 | fungus | That sounds like a symptom of version mismatch |
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| 22:57.47 | orsonj | woah! anyone tried these people? http://www.onlinestoragesolution.com/ |
| 23:04.22 | mpxm | heh, who was it earlier asking what will kill wp.com? http://twitter.com/wordpressdotcom/status/9302612517 |
| 23:06.16 | josephscott | mpxm: we're working on it |
| 23:07.12 | DexterTheDragon | time to break out the really really bad day stamp |
| 23:10.21 | fungus | orsonj, for bigger options. there is also rsync.net |
| 23:11.29 | fungus | for backups only, crashplan is pretty nice, runs on linux too |
| 23:12.18 | mpxm | josephscott, ah didn't realize. best of luck. |
| 23:26.57 | mindjuju | 2.5 hour countdown to meet, 4.5 to after hours partay |
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| 23:42.44 | DexterTheDragon | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100218/ap_on_re_us/us_plane_crash_texas |
| 23:46.46 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, brilliant! |
| 23:48.22 | beandog | thats pretty psycho. |
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| 23:57.12 | fungus | wtf, that man needs therapy. Or did... (past tense) |