| 00:02.50 | orsonj | http://orson.tetratech.info/screen.ogv |
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| 00:16.41 | mindjuju_ | good morning? i sure hope i don't have to go through this day again |
| 00:17.49 | jsmith | mindjuju_: Bad day? |
| 00:18.46 | carmony | mindjuju_: lol, someone put that as my welcoming |
| 00:18.49 | carmony | how do I change thaT? |
| 00:20.49 | fungus | ~onjoin carmony |
| 00:20.49 | ibot | onjoin for carmony set by fungus on Tue Mar 3 09:27:29 2009: Good Moooorning! |
| 00:21.04 | fungus | lol |
| 00:21.07 | carmony | ~setjoin carmony |
| 00:21.14 | fungus | ~onjoin -carmony |
| 00:21.14 | ibot | fungus: ok |
| 00:21.20 | fungus | ~onjoin carmony |
| 00:21.36 | carmony | ~onjoin +carmony Watch out, the PHP master is here! |
| 00:21.36 | ibot | ok, carmony |
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| 00:21.57 | fungus | ~onjoin carmony |
| 00:22.06 | fungus | take the + out |
| 00:22.21 | carmony | ~onjoin carmony Watch out! The PHP Grand Master is here! |
| 00:22.21 | ibot | ok, carmony |
| 00:22.26 | carmony | ~onjoin carmony |
| 00:22.26 | ibot | onjoin for carmony set by carmony on Wed Feb 10 17:22:21 2010: Watch out! The PHP Grand Master is here! |
| 00:22.28 | carmony | hehe |
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| 00:22.49 | beandog | bonas |
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| 00:23.37 | mindjuju_ | so what just happened? |
| 00:23.54 | carmony | I just changed my "On join" :) |
| 00:24.02 | mindjuju_ | did it work? |
| 00:24.06 | carmony | yup |
| 00:24.09 | mindjuju_ | no way |
| 00:24.16 | beandog | /onjoin carmony /part |
| 00:24.20 | mindjuju_ | really? |
| 00:24.25 | carmony | lol |
| 00:24.28 | mindjuju_ | it's always played weird with me |
| 00:25.02 | carmony | ~onjoin mindjuju_ Looks like mindjuju's evil twin is among us! |
| 00:25.02 | ibot | carmony: ok |
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| 00:26.08 | beandog | Does mindjuju_ have a beard? |
| 00:26.28 | beandog | ~evil twin |
| 00:26.40 | mindjuju | i want to see one work |
| 00:26.44 | fungus | no, but he has a tail! |
| 00:26.46 | mindjuju | good bye carmony |
| 00:26.49 | *** kick/#UPHPU [carmony!~mindjuju@mail.billgood.us] by mindjuju (MJ has fled the building!) |
| 00:27.01 | fungus | lol |
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| 00:27.09 | carmony | What?! |
| 00:27.11 | mindjuju | ah, welcome back carmony |
| 00:27.21 | mindjuju | see, told ya, screwy |
| 00:27.25 | fungus | ~onjoin carmony |
| 00:27.25 | ibot | onjoin for carmony set by mindjuju_ on Wed Feb 10 17:23:10 2010: Good Morning! |
| 00:27.32 | carmony | LOL |
| 00:27.35 | beandog | whut? |
| 00:27.36 | carmony | ~nuke mindjuju |
| 00:27.37 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at mindjuju ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 00:27.45 | beandog | heh |
| 00:27.57 | mindjuju | ah, that was too much fun |
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| 00:30.59 | beandog | dangit |
| 00:31.00 | beandog | I suck at math. |
| 00:31.24 | mindjuju | ~beandog |
| 00:31.24 | ibot | i heard beandog is the gentoo guru, or a wannabe racer. a skater. the enlightened one, or <3 Janeway, or a non-girl, or has a large intestine filled with mealworms |
| 00:31.40 | mgeary | i teach math |
| 00:31.44 | mindjuju | you like janeway? |
| 00:31.44 | beandog | Im trying to write a function to do standard deviation. |
| 00:31.48 | mgeary | ...to 4th graders |
| 00:31.51 | beandog | mindjuju, Janeway is hawt. |
| 00:32.03 | mindjuju | like from ST : Voyager? |
| 00:32.08 | beandog | she'll kick your trash in a space battle |
| 00:33.01 | beandog | and phasers. |
| 00:33.14 | mindjuju | now Crusher, on the other hand, rarrr! |
| 00:33.18 | beandog | o.O |
| 00:33.23 | beandog | Ewwwwww |
| 00:33.30 | beandog | mindjuju has a thing for Wesley |
| 00:33.41 | mindjuju | wesley was a dork |
| 00:33.52 | beandog | what? he was the best. |
| 00:33.53 | mindjuju | i HATED him |
| 00:33.59 | beandog | mindjuju, you hater |
| 00:35.35 | beandog | I bet you secretly had a thing for Tasha |
| 00:35.40 | mindjuju | beandog - http://www.grandchaos.com/crusher.jpg |
| 00:35.56 | mindjuju | though curiously, and i never thought about it before, i guess she's a TV mom too |
| 00:36.55 | beandog | I'm convinced that everything in ST really happened |
| 00:36.57 | mindjuju | hmm, i don't know, she's got kind of a hillary c feel to her |
| 00:36.58 | mindjuju | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_f3SZ5Tu916o/SROZP0aE6GI/AAAAAAAAIGc/9LG7sj9pb7Y/s400/mulgrew-janeway.jpg |
| 00:37.04 | beandog | and we just got a glimpse of the future |
| 00:37.27 | beandog | Janeway is awesome, man |
| 00:37.44 | beandog | she actually gets in fights |
| 00:38.41 | mindjuju | http://www.totallykate.com/articles/stm1299.html |
| 00:38.47 | mindjuju | beandog^^ |
| 00:43.23 | beandog | Ooh barge of the dead |
| 00:43.26 | beandog | great episode |
| 00:43.30 | beandog | Klingon Hell |
| 00:44.16 | mindjuju | huh? |
| 00:44.37 | beandog | mindjuju, havent you seen all of Voyager? |
| 00:44.38 | beandog | Oh man. |
| 00:44.54 | beandog | Torres goes to Klingon Hell in one episode. |
| 00:44.56 | beandog | It's great. |
| 00:45.03 | mindjuju | well, i saw an episode with sarah silverman |
| 00:45.12 | mindjuju | then i saw the last part of the series finale |
| 00:46.04 | beandog | man |
| 00:46.07 | beandog | you gotta watch the whole thing |
| 00:46.09 | beandog | its *amazing* |
| 00:46.12 | beandog | fungus, back me up, yo |
| 00:46.23 | fungus | yeah, totally. |
| 00:46.34 | fungus | V-ger is the best ST series evar |
| 00:46.41 | beandog | hear hear |
| 00:46.55 | beandog | You get to know the characters FAR better than any other ST series. |
| 00:47.11 | beandog | Also, two words: The Doctor |
| 00:47.13 | beandog | win :D |
| 00:47.42 | mindjuju | wait, voyger runs into vger again? |
| 00:47.51 | beandog | no |
| 00:47.57 | beandog | But they do run into the Borg |
| 00:48.00 | beandog | *all* the freaking time. |
| 00:48.10 | beandog | Lots and lots of great Borg stories. |
| 00:48.13 | beandog | and there's even Q stories! |
| 00:48.21 | mindjuju | so what up with vger? |
| 00:48.21 | beandog | and Romulans! |
| 00:48.23 | beandog | and Maquis! |
| 00:48.26 | fungus | Q is even more fun in V-ger |
| 00:48.32 | beandog | fungus, srsly |
| 00:48.35 | fungus | V-ger is just short for voyager |
| 00:48.42 | mindjuju | and they run into species 42, that scares the borg |
| 00:48.43 | beandog | what else is in there. |
| 00:48.47 | beandog | Oh yah |
| 00:48.51 | beandog | Species 8472? |
| 00:48.52 | beandog | something |
| 00:48.54 | beandog | They kick trash. |
| 00:49.18 | beandog | Oh and theres Ferengi too :D |
| 00:49.45 | beandog | man, sooo many *gooood* episodes |
| 00:49.46 | fungus | lol |
| 00:49.48 | beandog | Counterpoint comes to mind. |
| 00:49.52 | beandog | I love that one. |
| 00:49.56 | beandog | The Void |
| 00:50.05 | beandog | Oh yah, Klingons, too |
| 00:50.06 | beandog | :D |
| 00:50.13 | beandog | *that* was a funny episode. |
| 00:50.30 | beandog | alternate-reality Harry |
| 00:50.32 | beandog | heh |
| 00:50.45 | beandog | and uh whats her name. |
| 00:50.50 | beandog | anyway |
| 00:50.55 | beandog | and dont forget Seven of Nine |
| 00:51.01 | fungus | she's a bitch |
| 00:51.05 | beandog | LOL |
| 00:51.09 | fungus | H8 on 7o9 |
| 00:51.16 | mindjuju | 7/9 - meh |
| 00:51.17 | beandog | fungus, no love? |
| 00:51.19 | mindjuju | she's no crusher |
| 00:51.24 | beandog | mindjuju, ooh, boy. |
| 00:51.26 | fungus | She stole Chakotay from Janeway |
| 00:51.35 | beandog | Chakotay is great. |
| 00:51.48 | fungus | I can't forgive her of that. |
| 00:51.50 | beandog | Neelix plus Tuvok is always hilarious |
| 00:51.58 | beandog | The Doctor steals every scene he's in |
| 00:52.08 | beandog | What's Tom's alter ego? I forget |
| 00:52.12 | beandog | Captain Marvelous or something. |
| 00:52.28 | beandog | The one where Captain Janeway has to dress up as the Queen? That one was hilariuos :) |
| 00:52.38 | mindjuju | wow, this looks pretty cool! |
| 00:52.39 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wuLMqnEU7g |
| 00:52.40 | beandog | Oh man, good times. |
| 00:52.46 | beandog | Forget Geek Movie Night .. were gonna start watching Voyager. |
| 00:53.14 | beandog | The DVDs are 5.1 surround, too :D |
| 00:53.18 | mindjuju | k, they're is some bad lang |
| 00:53.43 | mindjuju | but the video of the game looks awesome! |
| 00:53.44 | beandog | fungus, do you have any ST on BluRay? |
| 00:53.56 | fungus | nope |
| 00:54.24 | fungus | mindjuju, STO is an MMO. It will suck your life away |
| 00:54.37 | mindjuju | it looks like fun |
| 00:54.49 | mindjuju | i like the 4d stuff |
| 00:54.59 | fungus | or... if it doesn't suck your life away it sucks and you'll quit in a month or so |
| 00:55.19 | beandog | http://consumerist.com/2010/02/come-on-down-to-the-ugly-furniture-store.html |
| 00:55.21 | beandog | ROTFLMAO |
| 00:56.08 | mindjuju | this game looks like fun |
| 00:56.16 | mindjuju | i never played eve, but this looks like fun |
| 00:56.42 | beandog | Oh my crap |
| 00:56.45 | beandog | that is THE funniest video |
| 00:56.55 | mindjuju | with the british commentary? |
| 00:56.59 | mindjuju | it is funny |
| 01:01.13 | beandog | fungus, I have First Contact, and thats it |
| 01:01.32 | mindjuju | the line must be drawn here, NO FURTHER! |
| 01:01.46 | beandog | he doesnt say no further |
| 01:01.48 | beandog | ~fail mindjuju |
| 01:01.49 | ibot | mindjuju, you Fail! |
| 01:02.16 | mindjuju | he doesn't? |
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| 01:02.22 | beandog | no |
| 01:03.05 | fungus | no, emphasis is on here! |
| 01:03.19 | beandog | right |
| 01:03.26 | beandog | ~cookie fungus |
| 01:04.35 | mindjuju | i did get it a little wrong, but he does say no further |
| 01:04.39 | mindjuju | i missed a couple words in the middle |
| 01:04.40 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRmmHPE8EvA |
| 01:05.20 | mindjuju | he says, this far, no further, i left out the this far part |
| 01:06.19 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I5WKLsUvgE |
| 01:06.55 | fungus | omg, I loved First Contact |
| 01:09.01 | romanovic | anyone out there know hibernate? |
| 01:09.17 | romanovic | i has a major hibernate fail |
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| 01:18.33 | thebigdog | romanovic: in java? |
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| 01:25.22 | thebigdog | romanovic: what you need help with? |
| 01:26.48 | romanovic | yes, java |
| 01:27.02 | romanovic | so, there's a small utility that was writing properties to a flat file |
| 01:27.29 | romanovic | i need to make it store properties in a mysql database instead. |
| 01:27.31 | ninnypants | anyone know a good acc to mp3 converter? |
| 01:28.32 | romanovic | thebigdog: i have to use hibernate to load a single collection of objects |
| 01:29.13 | romanovic | grabbing a single object isn't hard... grabbing a collection with all the objects in the table is what i need, and i can't get it to work |
| 01:31.38 | thebigdog | romanovic: check your pm from me |
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| 03:13.37 | beandog | anyone got a suggestion as to where to buy SSL certs |
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| 04:21.47 | thebigdog | romanovic-afk: you around? |
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| 04:28.09 | carmony | ~onjoin carmony The great PHP master has entered the room. All be prepared to be amazed! |
| 04:28.09 | ibot | carmony: ok |
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| 04:50.07 | supernovia | hola |
| 05:01.30 | influx | hola |
| 05:01.43 | supernovia | what's up tonight? |
| 05:01.46 | influx | Como estas? |
| 05:01.48 | influx | Nada. |
| 05:01.58 | influx | Comiendo espagheti. |
| 05:02.02 | supernovia | Hmm, not so bien but I'll survive eh |
| 05:02.03 | influx | Tu? |
| 05:02.12 | supernovia | Comiendo failed gingerbread :) |
| 05:02.15 | influx | What's the haps? |
| 05:02.24 | influx | Failed gingerbread is only failed if it's inedible. |
| 05:02.31 | supernovia | Meh, just realized the suckitude of the impending weekend |
| 05:02.31 | influx | i.e. carbon |
| 05:02.47 | influx | What will suck about the weekend? |
| 05:04.00 | supernovia | Mmm..well |
| 05:04.30 | influx | Stop me if I'm being nosy. |
| 05:04.34 | supernovia | Some people will be celebrating their love, others will be looking for it. I thought I'd do some fun stuff with the kids |
| 05:05.04 | supernovia | but alas, I forgot about President's day, I won't be seeing them at all till Monday |
| 05:05.23 | influx | :\ |
| 05:05.53 | influx | How does President's Day play into this? |
| 05:06.01 | influx | I know it's a holiday. |
| 05:06.03 | supernovia | Yeah |
| 05:06.44 | supernovia | they go to their dad's for president's day weekend this year |
| 05:08.46 | influx | Ah. |
| 05:09.15 | influx | No way you can share the weekend with their dad and them? |
| 05:09.39 | influx | Either way, you get to see them soon. |
| 05:09.49 | influx | Can't imagine what it's like. |
| 05:11.43 | supernovia | Yeah. I'll be ok though |
| 05:12.14 | supernovia | and whatever, I didn't come here to blather about all that :) |
| 05:13.37 | supernovia | goodness. s/everything I just said/bien gracias :-p/ |
| 05:16.10 | beandog | arr. |
| 05:18.35 | influx | heh |
| 05:18.37 | influx | so |
| 05:18.40 | supernovia | sup beandog |
| 05:18.44 | influx | jazz got pounded |
| 05:18.48 | beandog | working |
| 05:21.52 | supernovia | jazz = pounded? game over or a temporary pounding? |
| 05:23.12 | influx | The lakers beat them tonight? |
| 05:23.13 | influx | I think. |
| 05:23.24 | supernovia | ah |
| 05:25.09 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart beandog |
| 05:25.09 | ibot | whips out a sword and chops beandog in half |
| 05:25.34 | DexterTheDragon | great now there's two of em |
| 05:25.36 | beandog | I'm too tired and overworked to retaliate |
| 05:25.37 | beandog | heh |
| 05:26.09 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: work still runnin ya ragged? |
| 05:26.29 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: yah, Im behind on *three* jobs. |
| 05:26.30 | beandog | Oy. |
| 05:26.43 | beandog | On the plus side, though, I wrote some cool code tonight. |
| 05:26.54 | beandog | Eliminated 95% of false positives, so Im happy |
| 05:30.30 | beandog | I have no idea what im saying |
| 05:30.45 | supernovia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_6l1kwu7Y<- those ones, so we're clear |
| 05:31.07 | beandog | that song is psycho. |
| 05:31.25 | supernovia | just a little |
| 05:32.20 | beandog | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100210/1503598116.shtml |
| 05:32.23 | beandog | whoops |
| 05:34.36 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: hows work |
| 05:34.42 | influx | good job the chort |
| 05:34.50 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: good |
| 05:37.40 | influx | It's a Queen night. |
| 05:38.22 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 05:41.09 | influx | :D |
| 05:43.37 | beandog | nice :) |
| 05:43.47 | beandog | it's the lost village people band member |
| 05:47.33 | beandog | nite kids |
| 05:47.45 | influx | Heh. |
| 05:47.48 | influx | Nite beandog. |
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| 16:05.53 | mgeary | ~rlart |
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| 16:05.58 | mgeary | hey |
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| 16:43.11 | thebigdog | happy snow day too all |
| 16:44.47 | mgeary | ~seen snow |
| 16:44.48 | ibot | snow <n=tomas@irc.5ci.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 24d 9h 27m 59s ago, saying: 'any ideas how to solve that?'. |
| 16:44.58 | mgeary | ~seen snowfall |
| 16:44.58 | ibot | mgeary: i haven't seen 'snowfall' |
| 16:45.04 | mgeary | yeah, ibot, i haven't either |
| 16:46.21 | mgeary | thebigdog: you've got decent snow up there? |
| 16:46.31 | mgeary | i could use me some snow. want to do some plowing :) |
| 16:49.41 | ninnypants | it's coming down good in orem |
| 16:49.47 | ninnypants | not sticking yet though |
| 16:50.30 | mgeary | i wouldn't really call this "coming down good" |
| 16:50.34 | mgeary | i'm at 500s in orem |
| 16:50.40 | thebigdog | it has been coming down...we got some sticking but not too much |
| 16:51.24 | ninnypants | true I'm at 1600 and it's more fast than good |
| 16:51.58 | mgeary | that's what she said |
| 16:52.52 | cro | Layton: we have about 2-3 inches |
| 16:52.57 | cro | of snow that is |
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| 17:05.57 | jsmith | thebigdog: Snow day? Shooot.... we've had four storms in the past 10 days, and a grand total of about 40" of snow... |
| 17:06.18 | jsmith | thebigdog: You know, this "Snowpocalypse" or "Snowmageddon" you hear about in the national news? |
| 17:06.33 | jsmith | My kids have only been to school a half-day in the past two weeks |
| 17:06.48 | jsmith | I haven't been able to get my cars out of my driveway in over a week |
| 17:08.43 | thebigdog | that is pretty cool |
| 17:08.45 | ninnypants | where are you at? |
| 17:09.18 | jsmith | Virginia |
| 17:09.26 | jsmith | (between Washington DC and Richmond) |
| 17:11.54 | ninnypants | that's what I was thinking because that's certainly not utah |
| 17:12.12 | thebigdog | http://bit.ly/9vPioK |
| 17:12.19 | thebigdog | 9/11 photos |
| 17:12.23 | thebigdog | pretty interesting |
| 17:13.35 | ninnypants | that's crasy |
| 17:13.42 | ninnypants | crazy that is |
| 17:38.27 | romanovic | thebigdog: thanks for looking at my code yesterday. saw your message last night but i didn't get home until after 11 |
| 17:39.47 | romanovic | thebigdog: pm? |
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| 17:58.31 | thebigdog | sure romanovic |
| 17:58.40 | thebigdog | let me know if you need additional help |
| 18:05.28 | _psychic_ | http://www.authenticjobs.com/jobs/4781 |
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| 18:15.28 | brasto | hey guys, can I grep for NOT something? e.g., something like: egrep '!this' |
| 18:15.39 | fungus | egrep -v 'this' |
| 18:16.25 | influx | egrep -v 'fungus' |
| 18:16.32 | brasto | ha, now that you pointed it out fungus, I see it in the man page. |
| 18:16.40 | brasto | staring me in the face |
| 18:19.49 | brasto | I have got to learn to stop skimming man pages. |
| 18:20.09 | brasto | I went right over -v because automatically thought it had to do with verbosity. |
| 18:20.14 | brasto | or version |
| 18:23.43 | josephscott | "Experience in CakePHP, PHP 5.3+, NoSQL, JavaScript" |
| 18:23.51 | josephscott | NoSQL huh? Don't think anyone has actually released a product under that name |
| 18:23.58 | macnewbold | josephscott: what's this? |
| 18:24.00 | josephscott | maybe I should make fun of them on Twitter ;-) |
| 18:24.05 | macnewbold | totally |
| 18:24.09 | josephscott | http://www.authenticjobs.com/jobs/4781 |
| 18:24.13 | josephscott | from above ^^ |
| 18:24.16 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 18:24.29 | josephscott | "We reserve the right to make fun of you on Twitter if you contact us and have ignored our stated requirements." |
| 18:24.40 | influx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NoSQL |
| 18:24.46 | macnewbold | wow, and it's Rain? That's hilarious. |
| 18:25.09 | josephscott | influx: yes, I know what it stands for |
| 18:25.13 | thebigdog | well nosql are db stores that are not relational |
| 18:25.18 | influx | that wasn't for you |
| 18:25.24 | josephscott | but there's no code called 'NoSQL' to have experience in |
| 18:25.31 | macnewbold | apparently it was only coined a year ago... |
| 18:25.34 | influx | nm |
| 18:25.54 | thebigdog | well it means that you would know about dbs like couchdb and others |
| 18:25.59 | josephscott | I prefer the NotOnlySQL meaning of NoSQL |
| 18:26.46 | _psychic_ | josephscott: nosql mention is just to see what people are interested |
| 18:26.50 | _psychic_ | in. |
| 18:26.52 | _psychic_ | it's not a requirement |
| 18:27.05 | _psychic_ | and the make fun of you on twitter is me getting really tired of talking to head hunters |
| 18:29.12 | _psychic_ | I'm pretty sure CouchDB is getting used in places |
| 18:29.18 | _psychic_ | and mongo is gaining attention |
| 18:29.29 | _psychic_ | The AWS simple queue and simple db services are in use as well |
| 18:29.34 | _psychic_ | so it's not revolutionary stuff |
| 18:29.38 | josephscott | one of these days I'll sit down and actually do something with redis, they are doing some nifty things |
| 18:30.36 | josephscott | _psychic_: it's out of place on that list. cake and javascript are real things, nosql is a broad term that doesn't refer anything specific |
| 18:30.47 | _psychic_ | it's on purpose |
| 18:31.16 | _psychic_ | there's no clear leader there, and we're not using anything specific |
| 18:31.26 | _psychic_ | so I don't really care what you have experience in |
| 18:34.39 | _psychic_ | sorry if it comes across wrong |
| 18:37.01 | josephscott | just reminded me of job ads for 10 years of Java experience in 1998 :-) |
| 18:37.36 | thebigdog | haha |
| 18:37.41 | thebigdog | now those were really funny |
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| 18:40.20 | _psychic_ | josephscott: yeah makes sense |
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| 18:45.30 | influx | myaw |
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| 19:04.13 | influx | Ha. |
| 19:04.23 | influx | "Active MW2 account." |
| 19:04.40 | _psychic_ | it's important. :) |
| 19:04.49 | influx | I don't know PHP as well as required, but I can pwn some nubs in MW2. |
| 19:04.53 | influx | Can I has job? |
| 19:04.59 | _psychic_ | PC/Steam? |
| 19:05.00 | influx | (kidding) |
| 19:05.09 | influx | Oh. Nah, brah. 360. |
| 19:05.18 | _psychic_ | ah |
| 19:05.31 | _psychic_ | was going to add you, but I only play on pc |
| 19:05.32 | influx | I'd play PC if I had the disposable cash for a machine. |
| 19:05.44 | influx | I prefer it, actually. |
| 19:07.10 | _psychic_ | yeah i have to have a mouse |
| 19:07.55 | influx | Were PC users infected by AIDS? |
| 19:08.13 | influx | I know 360 players were. |
| 19:08.15 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 19:09.10 | influx | There was something going around for a while, where infected players would have unlimited ammo, no reload, and really fast firing rates. |
| 19:09.25 | _psychic_ | steam has been pretty good |
| 19:09.36 | influx | And the infection would occur on private servers, or public (I don't remember which. |
| 19:09.36 | _psychic_ | though it hasn't been without it's problems |
| 19:09.39 | influx | ) |
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| 20:03.28 | stderr | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/10/old-nintendo-nes-sys.html |
| 20:05.21 | ninnypants | wow maybe I should sell mine |
| 20:06.33 | tierra | in case you missed it, what actually sold it that high was the Stadium Events game included in there... not the NES |
| 20:11.26 | influx | ninnypants: Your NES, or do you have a copy of Stadium Events? |
| 20:13.56 | ninnypants | nes |
| 20:14.18 | ninnypants | wishing I had stadium events now though |
| 20:17.50 | influx | For how much would you sell your NES? |
| 20:17.54 | influx | And what's its condition? |
| 20:18.45 | ninnypants | oh I wouldn't actually sell it I enjoy duck hunt too much |
| 20:19.05 | stderr | I have an SNES \m/ |
| 20:19.43 | ninnypants | snes is good too some of my game batteries are dieing though |
| 20:20.02 | influx | Heh. That's cool. |
| 20:20.23 | influx | Something I have on the backburner would benefit from having an NES and MidiNES. |
| 20:22.01 | stderr | http://www.flickr.com/photos/dataw0lf/4340592807/sizes/l/ \m/ |
| 20:22.14 | stderr | http://www.flickr.com/photos/dataw0lf/4336982406/sizes/l/ |
| 20:22.22 | ninnypants | I know the play and trade in orem got a ton in a while ago |
| 20:24.11 | influx | COol. |
| 20:24.41 | influx | stderr: I really like the second one. |
| 20:24.52 | influx | I dig the grain. |
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| 20:27.37 | ninnypants | do you guy know a good freeware audio converter |
| 20:27.51 | fungus | mplayer |
| 20:27.54 | fungus | sox |
| 20:28.00 | jsmith | ninnypants: audacity! |
| 20:28.00 | fungus | lame |
| 20:28.04 | jsmith | ninnypants: (or sox) |
| 20:28.34 | ninnypants | do they do acc to mp3 conversion? |
| 20:29.18 | jsmith | friends don't let friends waltz into the mp3 patent minefield |
| 20:29.33 | influx | EAC |
| 20:29.37 | influx | I think might. |
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| 20:31.38 | ninnypants | mp3 patent? |
| 20:32.47 | unum | there's a patent on the mp3 codec |
| 20:32.51 | influx | http://inventors.about.com/od/mstartinventions/a/MPThree.htm |
| 20:33.11 | influx | First paragraph's enough. |
| 20:33.22 | unum | so you must have a license from the owners of the patent if you use it |
| 20:33.32 | unum | I think they are fairly liberal about decoders |
| 20:33.39 | unum | but encoders are a different story |
| 20:34.11 | unum | wasn't there a toolame encode that tried to dance around the patent some how? |
| 20:34.29 | influx | dunno |
| 20:34.32 | ninnypants | hmm I always thought mp3 was open source |
| 20:34.41 | unum | but anyways in order to convert from acc to mp3 you'll probably have to violate 2 patents |
| 20:34.52 | unum | ninnypants: you haven't been paying attention to the topic then |
| 20:34.56 | influx | :D |
| 20:35.01 | unum | ogg was created so that there would be an open source codec |
| 20:35.07 | ninnypants | not in the least |
| 20:35.45 | unum | and theora was created so we would have a video codec |
| 20:38.59 | ninnypants | yeah I found one that could do it but it's unstable and can't handle more than about 100 songs at a time |
| 20:44.32 | fungus | unum, the user of the tools isn't violating any patents. It's the producers of the encoders that are violating the patents if they don't have a license already. |
| 20:45.34 | jsmith | fungus: I'm not sure that's true |
| 20:45.38 | fungus | But refraining from using AAC or MP3s completely is a decent moral activist action against software patents |
| 20:46.17 | jsmith | fungus: The main problem is with the encoding/decoding, not the tool that does the encoding/decoding |
| 20:46.39 | jsmith | fungus: There are plenty of "reference implementations" which are perfectly legal, to show those with licenses the correct way to do things |
| 20:46.39 | fungus | Also, technically ogg is the container format. Vorbis is the audio codec, and theora is for video |
| 20:46.58 | jsmith | fungus: It's when you actually encode or decode without a license that you're in violation |
| 20:50.22 | fungus | right, but it's not the user, but the software vendor that needs the license. |
| 20:50.48 | fungus | usually |
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| 20:52.04 | unum | fungus: wrong |
| 20:52.23 | jsmith | fungus: I think you're mistaken |
| 20:52.23 | unum | oh jsmith already correceted that |
| 20:53.07 | fungus | but anyway... Software Patents are bad. |
| 20:53.09 | jsmith | fungus: Go look at the typical legalese in most mp3 players... It basically says that you agree to be properly licensed to use said codecs |
| 20:53.20 | unum | ya |
| 20:53.32 | unum | I hope fiorna loses bad |
| 20:53.36 | unum | not that that will help |
| 20:53.45 | unum | and down with hatch while I'm at it |
| 20:53.48 | jtsnow | so, iTunes encodes MP3s. Does that mean all its users are in violation? |
| 20:53.49 | unum | and up with pashdown |
| 20:54.10 | unum | jtsnow: no, apple has secured a license on behalf of all their users |
| 20:54.30 | fungus | jsmith, my point was only that nearly all software vendors provide the licenses for the users already. |
| 20:54.38 | jtsnow | I see |
| 20:54.40 | _psychic_ | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2494/4248537094_e94f7dd934_o.png |
| 20:54.40 | fungus | Users don't need to worry about it. |
| 20:54.57 | unum | fungus: unless you downloaded it from a foreign country |
| 20:55.08 | unum | in which case they did not, and you could be prosecuted |
| 20:55.10 | fungus | right, there are exceptions of course |
| 20:55.22 | unum | which was jsmiths point |
| 20:55.54 | fungus | Just don't worry about using mp3 from a legal perspective as an ordinary user. It's a moral choice. |
| 20:56.26 | PoeticIntensity | speaking of a codec which could be used to encode music.... |
| 20:56.29 | unum | he wasn't talking about listening to the music |
| 20:56.36 | unum | he wanted a free software encoder |
| 20:56.41 | fungus | right |
| 20:56.50 | fungus | he's still an ordinary user |
| 20:56.58 | PoeticIntensity | I've joined with a guy who writes music, and I'm wondering what you guys think of one of our songs.... |
| 20:57.00 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.garageband.com/song?|pe1|S8LTM0LdsaShYVm2Z2k |
| 20:57.06 | fungus | he's not producing a mp3 encoding software |
| 20:57.15 | unum | but he can still violate the patent |
| 20:57.17 | PoeticIntensity | click on the green play icon to hear it. |
| 20:57.18 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 20:57.25 | unum | by using a coder from debian-multimedia |
| 20:57.33 | fungus | unum, only if the software he picks doesn't have a license already |
| 20:57.39 | fungus | which is unlikely |
| 20:58.41 | unum | fungus: name a free software encoder that's legal? |
| 20:58.56 | unum | by free software I mean open source |
| 20:59.06 | PoeticIntensity | ogg vorbis? |
| 20:59.09 | PoeticIntensity | theora? |
| 20:59.18 | fungus | http://lame.sourceforge.net/links.php#OpenSource |
| 20:59.20 | PoeticIntensity | (haven't really read the back history) |
| 20:59.21 | unum | PoeticIntensity: you missed parts of this conversation |
| 20:59.25 | PoeticIntensity | right... |
| 20:59.28 | PoeticIntensity | sorry |
| 20:59.30 | unum | fungus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAME |
| 20:59.32 | unum | it'l illegal |
| 21:00.25 | PoeticIntensity | hrm... I might be interested in this conversation.... |
| 21:03.50 | unum | I guess I should have said "they don't have a license" |
| 21:04.30 | jsmith | fungus: Please read http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2010/01/html5-video-and-h-264-what-history-tells-us-and-why-were-standing-with-the-web/ |
| 21:04.31 | ninnypants | if itunes provides a licence to all of it's users does that not give anyone that has it installed a licence to use encoders |
| 21:04.45 | jsmith | ninnypants: Nope |
| 21:04.57 | jsmith | ninnypants: For example, here's a paragraph from one of Adobe's EULAs: |
| 21:05.55 | jsmith | "You may not access MP3 codecs within the runtime libraries other than through the published runtime APIs. Development, use or distribution of a Developer Application that operates on non-PC devices and that decodes MP3 data not contained within a SWF, FLV or other file format that contains more than MP3 data may require one or more third-party license(s)." |
| 21:06.37 | jsmith | Here's another "Licensee cannot use the Software for the encoding or decoding of MP3 audio only (.mp3) data on any non-PC device (i.e., mobile phone or set-top box), nor may the MP3 encoders or decoders contained in the Software be used or accessed by any product other than the Software." |
| 21:09.11 | ninnypants | those both limit your use of the software not the codec licence |
| 21:09.47 | ninnypants | not that I know anything about codec licenses but thats what I get from it |
| 21:11.27 | fungus | Creating MP3's from iTunes is perfectly legal |
| 21:13.34 | ninnypants | anyway I wonder if this was what my old job was thinking when they fired me http://clientsfromhell.tumblr.com/post/384197123/the-board-is-not-willing-to-pay-for-website-during |
| 21:19.29 | fungus | lol |
| 21:21.45 | ninnypants | I believe large amounts of people that would do my job was mentioned when it happened |
| 21:21.56 | ninnypants | I think student developers were too |
| 21:26.11 | Zelut | this channel always does a good job of reminding me that I never, ever want to become a professional web programmer / designer |
| 21:26.53 | fungus | at least not a contractor. Staff web dev might not be so bad. |
| 21:27.21 | ninnypants | I was a staff web dev |
| 21:27.59 | Zelut | clientsfromhell _particularly_ makes me hope I never find myself in a web dev position |
| 21:28.55 | ninnypants | CFH always have giveaways that you can see before you actually sign on with them |
| 21:29.11 | ninnypants | you just need to watch for them |
| 21:33.10 | unum | yesterday there was a conversation about "unpaid" interns |
| 21:33.41 | unum | I informed those involved in the discussion that I don't personally know a single programmer that worked as an unpaid intern |
| 21:33.43 | ninnypants | must have missed it |
| 21:34.55 | ninnypants | I don't either but a lot of designers do, and the design community is one of the biggest pushers of no spec yet they suppor unpaid internships |
| 21:34.59 | Zelut | unum: the facebook thread? i recall that. |
| 21:35.06 | ninnypants | doesn't make a lot of sense |
| 21:35.23 | unum | oops. I meant to say a conversation at my work |
| 21:35.49 | Zelut | unum: i had a similar discussion with decriptor on facebook |
| 21:37.01 | unum | appantly one of our competitors has free office interns that do a lot of the work we do automatically |
| 21:38.02 | ninnypants | yeah unpaid doesn't make sense to me |
| 21:39.12 | ninnypants | I just don't see what motivates people to do it |
| 21:39.32 | unum | for some fields it's expected |
| 21:39.38 | unum | sometimes it's easy college credit |
| 21:40.16 | Zelut | I totally understand unpaid college interns simply trying to get work experience. paid is a bonus, but even unpaid is work experience. |
| 21:41.00 | unum | though for programmers there's usually enough places willing to pay |
| 21:41.09 | ninnypants | guess that's true still don't see how we can have minimum wage and unpaid interns at the same time |
| 21:43.44 | unum | because internship is part of "going to school" the company is supposed to be doing you a favor by training you |
| 21:43.52 | unum | but ya some places abuse it |
| 21:44.31 | Zelut | I'd love to have interns to abuse^w train here :) |
| 21:46.09 | ninnypants | that's true |
| 21:46.50 | ninnypants | though there should be a restriction on it like they can only work for non profits or something |
| 21:47.06 | Zelut | I'm sure I could come up with all kinds of reasons why it'd be great experience, etc. I'd just love to have a free assistant :) |
| 21:47.46 | Zelut | so I was looking at some C code today and never realized really how similar the syntax is to PHP. |
| 21:48.55 | ninnypants | yeah I've heard the C languages are similar to php but have never actually looked at it |
| 21:49.25 | Zelut | I've read it to, just never really noticed it until now. |
| 21:50.21 | jtsnow | syntax is about the only similarity |
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| 23:43.04 | PoeticIntensity | heh... great time at lunch, racing an SRT4... |
| 23:43.12 | PoeticIntensity | http://ilovemyjournal.com/?action=view_entry&eid=4628 |
| 23:58.23 | mindjuju | utahcon |
| 23:58.25 | mindjuju | you around? |
