| 00:05.16 | herlo | supernothere: pics!! |
| 00:06.42 | mindjuju | herlo, don't forget to send me the pic you took |
| 00:09.18 | herlo | mindjuju: k |
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| 01:33.17 | mindjuju | beandog |
| 02:07.07 | macnewbold | swb: are you still really into magento? We've been doing some work in it now and wanted to run a couple of questions by you, if you've got some time tomorrow... |
| 02:07.14 | macnewbold | anyway, PM me if you get a chance - thanks! |
| 02:12.31 | swb | PM sent |
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| 02:38.42 | influx | happy* |
| 03:23.12 | Heartsbane | cachedout: RT @stackable: We'll be over at UPHPU in Draper, Utah on February 18th, talking PHP and webhosting. Details here: http://bit.ly/bYfL4L |
| 03:23.25 | Heartsbane | Wow |
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| 07:21.52 | beandog | mindjuju |
| 07:23.29 | beandog | im goig to bed |
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| 14:25.17 | itimber | good morning |
| 14:26.32 | swb | morning :) |
| 14:53.34 | influx | *mumble* |
| 14:53.39 | influx | *rubs eyes* |
| 14:55.21 | influx | Mornin'. |
| 15:08.42 | utahcon | w00t |
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| 16:13.17 | thebigdog | morning all |
| 16:13.22 | thebigdog | oh what a friday |
| 16:13.30 | romanovic | good mornin |
| 16:13.49 | romanovic | more exciting than fridays usually are? |
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| 16:31.29 | thebigdog | no i just have to work extra hours today |
| 16:31.40 | thebigdog | not to thrilled about that |
| 16:31.59 | thebigdog | but i got some billy joel takin the time away |
| 16:35.17 | redroy | Morning, I'm hoping to get out early today... the kids are home from school for some reason. |
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| 16:36.01 | jsmith | My kids are out of school again today due to snow, and yesterday was the only day they actually went |
| 16:36.29 | macnewbold | thebigdog: Piano Man++ |
| 16:36.44 | macnewbold | why the extra hours, thebigdog? |
| 16:37.32 | redroy | ah, snow days... those were the best |
| 16:39.48 | thebigdog | cause we have work to do and i had to stay home on wednesday...wife was sick |
| 16:41.54 | thebigdog | and no one else wants to do the extra work |
| 16:42.01 | thebigdog | which boggles me mind |
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| 16:56.47 | beandog | fungus, pingeh |
| 16:56.53 | beandog | mindjuju, pingzah |
| 16:56.59 | fungus | beandog, pongeh |
| 17:11.03 | justincarmony | I'm sorry, but Macs are the best laptops |
| 17:11.40 | beandog | not anymore |
| 17:11.57 | redroy | Why be sorry? |
| 17:12.17 | beandog | okay that was unintentionally ew. |
| 17:12.37 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, btw, your stupid CD didnt burn |
| 17:16.47 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... really? |
| 17:17.02 | PoeticIntensity | it's possible that the oggs didn't convert to wavs... |
| 17:17.08 | PoeticIntensity | try it in a computer, if ya haven't already. |
| 17:19.01 | beandog | yah I did |
| 17:19.02 | herlo | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10447913-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoad <-- canonical's new COO, Matt Asay |
| 17:19.03 | beandog | I tried mounting it |
| 17:19.07 | beandog | it broke my kernel |
| 17:19.14 | beandog | of course, I tried mounting as UDF, not thinking. |
| 17:19.16 | beandog | Whoopsie. |
| 17:19.19 | beandog | But still, its all your fault. |
| 17:19.20 | beandog | :) |
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| 17:19.41 | beandog | herlo, wow |
| 17:19.59 | herlo | yeah! |
| 17:20.06 | beandog | thats pretty intensible. |
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| 17:34.08 | mindjuju | beandog, pong |
| 17:34.23 | beandog | mindjuju, you're too late. |
| 17:34.35 | mindjuju | what am i late for? |
| 17:34.36 | beandog | You missed the youtube videos, the personal appearance of Charlie the Unicorn, and the cookies. |
| 17:34.46 | mindjuju | oh man! |
| 17:34.49 | mindjuju | was it live? |
| 17:35.23 | beandog | Yarr |
| 17:43.58 | justincarmony | hey mindjuju |
| 18:06.41 | wps | there is nothing I'd rather do less than watch charlie the unicorn |
| 18:08.02 | wps | charlie is the bane of our civilization |
| 18:09.11 | justincarmony | LOL |
| 18:09.14 | justincarmony | I agree |
| 18:10.26 | wps | :) |
| 18:13.25 | beandog | blasphemy! |
| 18:15.11 | _psychic_ | shun the unbeliever! |
| 18:18.37 | _psychic_ | you haven't surfed it much, then, imho :) |
| 18:21.38 | romanovic | no, i haven't |
| 18:21.58 | romanovic | though i did see a really creepy yoga children's show a couple weeks ago |
| 18:22.38 | beandog | go search for xuxa |
| 18:22.49 | beandog | have a paper bag ready. |
| 18:28.33 | romanovic | do i dare watch it while i'm eating this here strawberry banana yogurt? |
| 18:28.35 | beandog | I wonder if its possible to have php auth against AD? |
| 18:31.56 | beandog | I wonder if I even want to risk going down that path |
| 18:41.12 | thebigdog | beandog it is possible |
| 18:41.15 | thebigdog | and i have done it |
| 18:41.28 | thebigdog | ad uses ldap and all is good |
| 18:43.18 | thebigdog | beandog there might be changes that need to take place on AD though |
| 18:44.15 | beandog | ok |
| 18:44.22 | beandog | Im not sure if I need it yet |
| 18:44.29 | beandog | might be one of those "could be nice" things, though |
| 18:45.25 | thebigdog | yeah it is cool |
| 18:45.34 | thebigdog | i will try and find my article on it from many years back |
| 18:47.54 | ninnypants | anyone know a good freeware disc burning that can burn multiple copies? |
| 18:48.13 | thebigdog | linux |
| 18:48.28 | ninnypants | stuck on vista |
| 18:49.32 | thebigdog | hehe virtualbox |
| 18:55.47 | romanovic | ninnypants: i used one for windows called infrarecorder |
| 18:56.01 | thebigdog | i have heard good things of cdburnerxp |
| 18:56.13 | romanovic | found it a while ago on sourceforge, may be something new and improved now. |
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| 19:02.55 | ninnypants | thanks |
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| 19:16.24 | brasto | ~FWIW |
| 19:16.25 | ibot | well, fwiw is for {what,whatever} it's worth |
| 19:30.57 | mindjuju | anybody here done a mobile website? |
| 19:31.46 | justincarmony | mindjuju: depends on the mobile type :P |
| 19:31.49 | justincarmony | I've done iPhone only |
| 19:32.12 | mindjuju | i guess that is a really broad field |
| 19:32.42 | mindjuju | so, I was wondering, we're thinking about having a "mobile device" friendly version of the ewbsite |
| 19:33.07 | mindjuju | is there a lot of disparity between the way mobile devices view web pages? |
| 19:33.28 | justincarmony | yeah, some of them do weird things |
| 19:33.31 | ninnypants | there's a decent amount |
| 19:33.43 | justincarmony | mindjuju: what website? uphpu? |
| 19:33.53 | mindjuju | nope |
| 19:33.55 | mindjuju | one that i'm creating |
| 19:34.25 | ninnypants | I know some of the blackberries will show text only while others process css and java script |
| 19:34.45 | mindjuju | hmm, so is CSS finky on mobile devices? |
| 19:34.54 | mindjuju | do i do old school tables and inline formating |
| 19:35.15 | ninnypants | no |
| 19:36.22 | ninnypants | good semantic markup will still look good on the text only while most inline formatting makes them look horrible |
| 19:58.30 | SunSparc | Have a great weekend all! |
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| 20:36.37 | mgeary | supernovia: ping |
| 20:36.48 | supernovia | hey mgeary :) |
| 20:45.31 | Zelut | reminded again today that I'm poor with HTML :( |
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| 20:48.57 | redroy | holy crap kfc is good |
| 20:49.23 | ninnypants | Zelut I thought you ment poor in general |
| 20:49.33 | ninnypants | $$wise |
| 20:49.44 | Zelut | I just have much more trouble with HTML than I do with PHP |
| 20:50.31 | supernothere | I love cookies more, gotta bake some :) |
| 20:50.49 | ninnypants | mmmm cookies |
| 20:51.05 | supernothere | or get the them started anyhow then we're off to the hospital. ya |
| 20:52.50 | ninnypants | no fun |
| 20:53.10 | wps | I have homemade blueberry pie waiting for me |
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| 20:54.38 | ninnypants | man this blue-ray drive sucks I only get 4x write speed |
| 20:55.53 | ninnypants | been a while for me too other than os installs |
| 20:57.14 | Zelut | I even do OS installs over USB. I long ago replaced my optical drive with a second battery. |
| 20:59.54 | redroy | I'm going to be using memcached for the first time here... would it be a waste to check and cash all queries that come through or should I be more intelligent about what queries to cash so I'm not wasting ram on queries that are user specific ? |
| 21:01.11 | ninnypants | almost sounds like your answer just depends on how much time you want to spend configuring |
| 21:01.17 | Zelut | s/cash/cache/g |
| 21:04.23 | redroy | I'm just not very familiar with memcached... wondering how maybe you guys have done it in the past... best practices etc. Thanks, Zelut I mean "cache" ;) |
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| 21:08.22 | jtsnow | redroy: I find it best to cache things that you'd normally cache in the db |
| 21:09.16 | jtsnow | in other words, my applications usually have things that are cached as a blob in a database |
| 21:09.35 | jtsnow | moving those to memcache just improves the speed of those caching mechanisms |
| 21:10.07 | jtsnow | and also provides a failsafe if memcache fails, since it can still be cached in the db |
| 21:11.09 | redroy | jtsnow, cool thanks for the pointers |
| 21:16.03 | utahcon | does PEAR::MDB2 work with SQLite3? |
| 21:16.22 | orsonj | I've only used PDO |
| 21:16.33 | justincarmony | test |
| 21:16.49 | utahcon | justincarmony: If I wanted to test I wouldn't have asked :P |
| 21:17.07 | mgeary | ~laziness++ |
| 21:17.08 | utahcon | according to the FAQ it does not :( |
| 21:17.32 | utahcon | stupid server not having PHP5.3 |
| 21:17.35 | utahcon | stupid MDb2 |
| 21:17.42 | utahcon | stupid stupid stupid |
| 21:17.54 | mgeary | i am not planning to ever use php 5.3 |
| 21:18.09 | mgeary | as far as i'm concerned 5.2 is the terminal version |
| 21:18.15 | thebigdog | haha i use php7 |
| 21:18.16 | mgeary | and django is the next version :) |
| 21:18.30 | utahcon | mgeary: Django has it's place |
| 21:18.36 | josephscott | python has it's own oddities, I suppose every language does |
| 21:18.44 | utahcon | josephscott: they all do |
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| 21:19.41 | josephscott | like why in the world would you make the default file encoding platform specific instead of just utf-8? |
| 21:20.32 | mgeary | backwards compatibility, i'd suppose |
| 21:21.09 | mgeary | much evil has been done in the name of backwards compatibility ;) |
| 21:22.26 | orsonj | see http://lilypond.org/ for an example of something where they say %$@!$#% backwards compatability |
| 21:24.21 | josephscott | I don't really understand why you'd make that kind of decision in the first place |
| 21:24.55 | josephscott | yet file paths with /'s work correctly across platforms |
| 21:25.12 | josephscott | which I like by the way :-) |
| 21:26.29 | orsonj | http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Documentation/user/lilypond/Updating-files-with-convert_002dly |
| 21:29.29 | jtsnow | http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3120/ |
| 21:30.50 | jtsnow | looks like that may change in Python 3 |
| 21:40.32 | josephscott | cool |
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| 22:37.01 | mindjuju | ~apb DtD |
| 22:37.02 | ibot | ACTION calls Duane Lee to stake out DtD |
| 22:37.59 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart mindjuju |
| 22:37.59 | ibot | takes out mindjuju with the trash |
| 22:38.21 | mindjuju | hi DtD, got a small problem, i've got nothing to listen to |
| 22:38.25 | mindjuju | what you listening to over there |
| 22:38.55 | mindjuju | ravetrax = sux, breaks@di.fm sux |
| 22:39.03 | DexterTheDragon | hang on I'll get ya some links |
| 22:39.03 | mindjuju | half of di.fm is playing junk right now |
| 22:39.07 | mindjuju | cool |
| 22:39.11 | mindjuju | brain is dying over here |
| 22:40.41 | mindjuju | has anybody done SVN on winders before |
| 22:40.53 | mindjuju | i'm seeing several options on the subversion download site |
| 22:41.05 | mindjuju | wondering if anybody has experience with one working better than another |
| 22:41.28 | ninnypants | I use tortise svn |
| 22:41.46 | mindjuju | k |
| 22:42.05 | mindjuju | are you using apache with tortise or IIS? |
| 22:42.33 | ninnypants | are you runnig a server? |
| 22:42.57 | mindjuju | yeah, internal one |
| 22:43.01 | mindjuju | win2k3 |
| 22:43.08 | ninnypants | oh well I have no clue then |
| 22:45.51 | romanovic | mindjuju: you lookin to run an svn server on windows, or just a decent windows client? |
| 22:47.09 | ninnypants | I know there used to be a decent one on tigris.org but I'm not sure now. It may have only been *nix anyway |
| 22:50.33 | mindjuju | running on a winders server |
| 22:52.36 | ninnypants | here's the one I was talking about got moved into apache http://subversion.apache.org/ |
| 22:52.45 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: get my PM? |
| 22:53.28 | mindjuju | sorry, yup, listening to the first link you sent |
| 23:06.40 | mgeary | hey |
| 23:11.03 | Heartsbane | wut? |
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| 23:19.45 | mgeary | nah, was just gonna berate mindjuju for persisting with winders ;) |
| 23:19.56 | mindjuju | oh for me |
| 23:20.02 | mindjuju | yeah, i le suck |
| 23:20.05 | mindjuju | ...sigh... |
| 23:20.19 | mgeary | ~console mindjuju |
| 23:20.20 | ibot | ACTION gives mindjuju the consolation moose |
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| 23:22.25 | redroy_ | Testing my new irc iPhone app... Now you can never escape my questions. Muahaha |
| 23:50.21 | Zelut | in my header.inc.php I have something along the lines of: if (!isset($_SESSION['username'])) { header("Location: login.php") } |
| 23:50.56 | Zelut | now if I use that same header on the login.php I get a nasty loop. What kind of logic can I use to include the same header on login.php, but avoid the loop? |
| 23:51.30 | Zelut | can I do a check for Location: login.php somehow? |
| 23:53.04 | thebigdog | dont use it on that page |
| 23:54.06 | Zelut | simple enough |
| 23:54.31 | thebigdog | really your login.php page should just be a form for posting |
| 23:54.43 | thebigdog | not sure why you would need additional functionality on that page |
| 23:55.34 | Zelut | that's really all it is. I'm just trying to avoid duplicating header (banner, etc) on one page individually. |
| 23:55.51 | Zelut | all it is now is username, password, submit + includes for header and footer. |
| 23:56.51 | thebigdog | yep |
| 23:57.16 | thebigdog | usually i dont mix presentation and logic like that in one file |
| 23:57.58 | thebigdog | you could do a check for the script and see if you are on the login.php page |
| 23:58.06 | thebigdog | and then opt out of the redirect |
| 23:58.41 | thebigdog | so people will even on normal pages just put up their form instead |
| 23:58.44 | thebigdog | so they dont redirect |
| 23:58.56 | thebigdog | and then post and redirect back to the originating page |
| 23:59.10 | thebigdog | i am sure there is some ajax stuff you could even do there |