| 00:00.11 | beandog | Hmm |
| 00:00.17 | beandog | I don't feel like hosting my own VCS right now |
| 00:00.19 | beandog | Looking at github |
| 00:00.43 | DexterTheDragon | gits not hard to host |
| 00:02.50 | beandog | yah |
| 00:02.52 | beandog | Still |
| 00:03.00 | beandog | I change servers more than most people change their underwear |
| 00:03.08 | beandog | The less services to move the better |
| 00:05.00 | supernovia | lol |
| 00:57.05 | influx | http://pastebin.com/m2429fa77 |
| 00:57.30 | influx | Would I be able to do the same with a switch statement? |
| 00:58.00 | influx | I imagine not, because I'm assigning to image, not checking whether the contents of $img is something. |
| 00:58.09 | mgeary | urgh |
| 00:58.16 | mgeary | is that really the way you want to do that? |
| 00:59.02 | influx | What, how it is right now or how I describe wanting to do it? |
| 00:59.41 | mgeary | well, so i assume from your code that you're trying to create, in order of preference, a jpeg, png or gif from a source graphic... |
| 01:00.03 | mgeary | and presumably the reason any of those would be FALSE is that the proper libraries aren't compiled in |
| 01:00.12 | mgeary | ...yes? |
| 01:01.26 | mgeary | also, i'm trying to recall if PHP "short-circuits" IF statements. If it doesn't, you have the possibility of a lot of unnecessary image creation, and your $img variable would be overwritten. This doesn't apply if PHP does short-circuit, though |
| 01:01.27 | influx | That or the file (uploaded via POST) isn't a valid file type. |
| 01:01.40 | mgeary | right |
| 01:02.11 | mgeary | for the record, it appears php DOES short-circuit |
| 01:02.50 | influx | Wait a minute. I don't really need to assign anything to $img. |
| 01:02.56 | mgeary | i dunno. my preference would be to add explicit checks on the image and whether the appropriate libs are installed |
| 01:03.02 | mgeary | and return feedback accordingly |
| 01:03.03 | influx | I started working off of an example. |
| 01:03.10 | romanovic | so, do you just need to test that the file data matches the type? |
| 01:03.18 | romanovic | a valid image, in this case? |
| 01:03.30 | influx | Yes. I want to make sure that the person is uploading a real jpg, png or gif. |
| 01:03.32 | influx | Ya. |
| 01:04.00 | influx | I was looking at checking the mime type, then file info, but those two seem to be unreliable for verification. |
| 01:04.04 | mgeary | just do an info on it |
| 01:04.18 | mgeary | http://php.net/manual/en/function.getimagesize.php |
| 01:04.25 | romanovic | i had to write something like this a few days ago. but it was in java :S |
| 01:06.25 | romanovic | there's a file info function that will return the type of a file |
| 01:06.37 | mgeary | romanovic: ^^ |
| 01:07.07 | mgeary | and you can use gd_info to see what libs are installed (http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.gd-info.php) |
| 01:07.22 | romanovic | yeah i saw the image info one |
| 01:07.36 | mgeary | aha, i see your distinction |
| 01:07.50 | mgeary | however, anything generic would probably just rely on MIME typing |
| 01:07.58 | romanovic | yeah |
| 01:08.05 | mgeary | which could be unreliable |
| 01:08.11 | mgeary | you rename a .doc file to .jpeg and upload it |
| 01:08.15 | influx | Yeah. |
| 01:09.55 | mgeary | later folks |
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| 01:10.58 | romanovic | hmm |
| 01:11.13 | romanovic | the one i'm thinking of returns a mime type, like "image/gif" for example |
| 01:11.13 | supernovia | I gots to go too. |
| 01:11.53 | romanovic | but actually examines the data to determine the type, regardless of the name |
| 01:12.18 | influx | Now I don't know if I should continue with my chosen way or if I should try what mgeary suggested. |
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| 02:11.29 | Zelut | how do I test for a pattern within a string? |
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| 02:17.56 | ninnypants | regex |
| 02:23.14 | justincarmony | hola supernovia :) See you're back from nothere :P |
| 02:52.48 | supernovia | hehe justincarmony |
| 02:53.01 | supernovia | I must have spoke too soon - been taking care of a late dinner, etc |
| 02:53.03 | supernovia | how are things? |
| 02:53.10 | supernovia | wecome back too utahcon :) |
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| 04:16.31 | justincarmony | supernovia: prety good |
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| 06:32.15 | mgeary | is anyone around? |
| 06:37.32 | justincarmony | i am mgeary |
| 06:37.43 | mgeary | heya |
| 06:38.12 | mgeary | you know anyone looking for some contract design/UI work? |
| 06:38.32 | justincarmony | depends on what kind of UI |
| 06:38.33 | mgeary | seems like wps does design... |
| 06:38.38 | justincarmony | wps does do design |
| 06:38.40 | justincarmony | I do some |
| 06:39.28 | mgeary | the design is fairly lightweight. i've got a project that focuses on a lot of data collection and manipulation, and i need some decent interfaces for it |
| 06:39.58 | mgeary | ideally i'm looking for design + html. i'll be integrating it into a django app |
| 06:49.51 | justincarmony | that sounds like something I could do mgeary. I gotta run, but if you can hit me up at my email |
| 06:50.04 | mgeary | which is? |
| 06:50.14 | justincarmony | pm |
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| 15:47.25 | justincarmony | Goood morning |
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| 17:23.25 | SunSparc | Unless they announce an update at Macworld next week. |
| 17:27.58 | SunSparc | Oh yeah, Apple is not attending Macworld anymore. :( |
| 17:28.57 | mindjuju_ | fungus, you around? |
| 17:29.29 | fungus | yes |
| 17:29.56 | mindjuju_ | i've totally spaced renaming several files from one extension to another in winder 2k3 |
| 17:30.17 | mindjuju_ | or for some reason ren *.bla *.bal isn't working |
| 17:30.48 | mindjuju_ | when i ask the help, it isn't saying anything, and curiously it isn't mentioning recursiveness |
| 17:30.55 | mindjuju_ | and i'm almost positive i've done it recursively |
| 17:32.34 | justincarmony | SunSparc: I bit the bullet and just bought one :P |
| 17:32.49 | justincarmony | its currently in Alaska, should be at my front door tomorrow |
| 17:33.41 | DexterTheDragon | what in the world is it doing in alaska? |
| 17:33.54 | SunSparc | justincarmony: Yeah, I remember you ordered it last week. I think I may just bite that same bullet. Did you upgrade it to the 3.06 processor with 8gb of memory? |
| 17:34.13 | justincarmony | nope, I figured I'll aftermarket the ram some day |
| 17:34.21 | justincarmony | if I had the money in my budget, I would have |
| 17:34.31 | justincarmony | I just upgraded to a 7200 speed hdd |
| 17:34.35 | justincarmony | and matted display |
| 17:34.39 | SunSparc | justincarmony: Yeah, you can get a kit from crucial.com and save $100. |
| 17:36.06 | justincarmony | josephscott: their memcached cluster handles 100 millions ops/sec |
| 17:36.06 | mgeary | thebigdog: hey |
| 17:37.12 | josephscott | justincarmony: yep, as far as I know they are still the single largest install of memcached any where |
| 17:37.56 | justincarmony | Wow.. "20 msec/page savings = $10mil in savings" |
| 17:38.27 | josephscott | ratio can fly out the window when the raw numbers become big enough |
| 17:38.34 | justincarmony | yeah |
| 17:38.50 | josephscott | that's why you have to be careful with numbers :-) |
| 17:39.17 | justincarmony | hehe: |
| 17:39.20 | justincarmony | "Other solutions failed |
| 17:39.21 | justincarmony | 4 attempts to migrate FROM PHP: Python (twice), Java, C++ |
| 17:39.21 | justincarmony | - what happens is that they can never able to catch up" |
| 17:40.31 | josephscott | no surprises there |
| 17:41.16 | josephscott | when you've got a massive head start in one direction the only way to catch up is to stop doing anything new. And not doing anything new can kill a company/site/service |
| 17:43.52 | justincarmony | which is why picking from the beginning is so important |
| 17:44.22 | justincarmony | I see php and python being the two main web development scripting languages |
| 17:44.35 | mgeary | justincarmony: java is used hugely in the enterprise arena |
| 17:44.58 | mgeary | unfortunately ;) |
| 17:45.07 | justincarmony | mgeary: I know... and its a beast |
| 17:45.26 | justincarmony | Java can get real complicated really fast |
| 17:46.15 | josephscott | mgeary: "enterprise" is a completely useless word, it doesn't actually mean anything |
| 17:47.17 | mgeary | for me, enterprise tends to mean projects $1M and larger. I'd wager that comparatively few projects of that size are done in PHP/Python, though i'd love to be wrong about that |
| 17:48.12 | justincarmony | mgeary: thats because $1M in Java == $250K in PHP ;) |
| 17:48.18 | mgeary | hahaha |
| 17:48.24 | mgeary | seriously |
| 17:48.36 | josephscott | depends, are you talking about companies that generate 1m+ in revenue from their site/service, or companies that bid out projects that are in that price range? |
| 17:48.43 | mgeary | the latter |
| 17:49.30 | josephscott | true, I suspect people with that kind of money to give to another company for a project generally don't have the technical resources to make an informed decision on their own |
| 17:50.00 | josephscott | so they rely on other (media, consultants, etc.) to tell them what they are supposed to do |
| 17:50.47 | mgeary | generally speaking, the larger the company, the more likely they are to use Java, in my experience |
| 17:51.24 | josephscott | my brother in law the .NET/MS SQL Server dev would probably disagree with that :-) |
| 17:51.50 | mgeary | yeah, then there's .NET |
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| 17:52.36 | mgeary | hey fungus |
| 17:53.13 | mgeary | i'm trying to fix this nameserver disagreement issue. Can i just delete the file on the slave machine and restart bind? |
| 17:59.36 | redroy | Ok, I'm so making it to the uphpu meeting ... would that be the 19th this month? |
| 18:00.15 | redroy | oh, I mean 18th |
| 18:00.30 | fungus | mgeary, yes, but if it isn't updating, that's not likely to fix it. |
| 18:00.37 | mgeary | indeed |
| 18:00.52 | mgeary | where do i set the log location for bind? i don't see anything in /etc/named.conf |
| 18:01.26 | mgeary | when i did that it said "Slave transfer queued.", but i don't see any activity |
| 18:02.14 | fungus | bind sends logs to syslog, and syslog determines it's file locations |
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| 18:02.26 | fungus | You can configure bind to log seperately to another file though. |
| 18:02.28 | fungus | ed2010020308 |
| 18:02.38 | mgeary | how do i do that? |
| 18:02.46 | fungus | http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ch7/logging.html |
| 18:05.42 | fungus | it's an old friend. has some eccentricities, but is a nice guy |
| 18:06.04 | thebigdog | i had to break that friendship some time ago |
| 18:06.07 | thebigdog | and find another love |
| 18:06.28 | mgeary | so, does this look like it should give me basic bind logging: http://dpaste.com/154204/ |
| 18:06.42 | fungus | sure |
| 18:06.49 | mgeary | to enable that, do i need to stop and start, or would a reload work? |
| 18:06.57 | fungus | reload should work |
| 18:07.36 | fungus | but djb is kind of an asshole |
| 18:08.06 | fungus | the person, not the server. :) |
| 18:08.18 | fungus | and qmail?... eww |
| 18:08.40 | mgeary | fungus: so i think i found a/the problem |
| 18:08.43 | mgeary | http://dpaste.com/154206/ |
| 18:08.56 | thebigdog | djb is one for sure |
| 18:09.43 | thebigdog | i dont use qmail though |
| 18:09.45 | thebigdog | that sucks |
| 18:09.53 | fungus | mgeary, that's not the cause of your problem, but it not pretty |
| 18:09.55 | thebigdog | postfix all the way with dovecot goodness |
| 18:09.58 | fungus | just remove those zones. |
| 18:10.23 | mgeary | ah |
| 18:10.52 | mgeary | but the weird thing is, nothing has changed :/ |
| 18:11.06 | mgeary | and other zone files are, i'm pretty sure, updating |
| 18:11.08 | mgeary | just not this one |
| 18:11.24 | thebigdog | mgeary: today bind is not your friend...you have pissed her off |
| 18:12.09 | mgeary | fungus: can i increase the verbosity of logging? When i reload now i get nothing at all |
| 18:12.50 | fungus | mgeary, run "rndc refresh domainname.com" on the slave |
| 18:13.08 | fungus | or even a retransfer |
| 18:13.13 | mgeary | it's ndc, not rndc |
| 18:13.44 | fungus | the next log entries should be useful |
| 18:13.44 | josephscott | I wanted to read that as RunDMC :-) |
| 18:14.28 | mgeary | i ran ndc restart, and now i have this in my log: |
| 18:14.29 | mgeary | http://dpaste.com/154210/ |
| 18:15.48 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 18:17.05 | fungus | the first line doesn't sound so good. |
| 18:17.26 | fungus | is named running at all? |
| 18:18.34 | thebigdog | is mindjuju_ around? |
| 18:19.01 | thebigdog | or wps? |
| 18:19.06 | thebigdog | wps where you at? |
| 18:23.04 | mgeary | fungus: yeah, named is running |
| 18:23.29 | mgeary | machine's been up 491 days, maybe it's time for a reboot |
| 18:40.42 | thebigdog | funny thing..at work we have a voip server....hds crashed some months ago...but since it all ran in memory the phones just keep working...until we had a power outage |
| 18:40.44 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 18:41.21 | thebigdog | im off to see the wizard |
| 18:44.48 | fungus | lol, bad sysadmin. waiting months to replace a dead hd... |
| 18:49.04 | mindjuju_ | course, that's the same sysadmin who hogged 1mb of a 3mb pipe |
| 18:49.10 | mindjuju_ | IIRC |
| 18:50.08 | fungus | That's the benefit of being a sysadmin. With great responsibility comes great bandwidth. |
| 18:50.42 | Utah_Dave | We should be getting the final authorization for our 50 meg pipe soon! |
| 18:51.33 | fungus | woot |
| 18:52.17 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, it has been a battle, though. |
| 18:59.07 | mgeary | okay, fungus so this is weird |
| 18:59.25 | mgeary | after the reboot my slave NS is responding correctly to queries on the domain, but i'm not seeing any zone file for the domain... |
| 18:59.31 | mgeary | how could that be? |
| 18:59.59 | fungus | is it forwarding or recursing? |
| 19:00.04 | mgeary | uhhh |
| 19:00.08 | mgeary | ? |
| 19:00.10 | fungus | is the zone defined in the named.conf? |
| 19:00.21 | mgeary | yes |
| 19:00.44 | mgeary | in both master and slave named.conf files |
| 19:01.25 | fungus | where did you specify the zone file should be created? |
| 19:01.53 | fungus | double check the config, then check that location |
| 19:02.44 | mgeary | well, in the options, it says, 'directory "/var/named"', and in the entry, it says, 'file <thedomain.com>.zone' |
| 19:11.44 | fungus | mgeary, check permissions on /var/named |
| 19:12.01 | fungus | make sure the user that named runs as has access to the directory |
| 19:12.01 | mgeary | drwxr-xr-x 219 root wheel |
| 19:12.11 | fungus | ps auxww | grep named |
| 19:12.15 | mgeary | named is running as root |
| 19:12.21 | fungus | root?! |
| 19:12.23 | fungus | really? |
| 19:12.24 | mgeary | and i see other zone files have been updated today |
| 19:12.26 | mgeary | uhhhhh |
| 19:12.33 | mgeary | uh, NO! |
| 19:17.55 | Utah_Dave | ~root mgeary's server |
| 19:17.56 | ibot | ACTION uses a keylogger to pwnz all mgeary's server 's boxen. |
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| 20:01.26 | mindjuju | wasn't there to be the winter storm of the century a couple days ago in your neck of the woods? |
| 20:21.15 | justincarmony | hows it goin mindjuju ? :) |
| 20:27.05 | mindjuju | crazy on this side |
| 20:27.07 | mindjuju | you? |
| 20:32.28 | jsmith | mindjuju: I'm here... mostly |
| 20:32.46 | jsmith | mindjuju: My internet connection keeps dropping on me today, but c'est la vie |
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| 20:47.50 | mindjuju | ~apb eggyknap |
| 20:47.51 | ibot | ACTION summons Leland to rough up eggyknap |
| 20:52.19 | eggyknap | eh? |
| 20:53.54 | eggyknap | mindjuju: ^^ |
| 20:54.10 | mindjuju | eggyknap -> http://blogs.computerworld.com/15510/the_end_of_sql_and_relational_databases_part_1_of_3 |
| 20:54.40 | mindjuju | anybody in udbug do non referential databases? |
| 20:54.47 | mindjuju | be willing to talk about it for feb? |
| 20:57.13 | mindjuju | all this talk reminds me |
| 20:57.18 | mindjuju | josephscott, you around? |
| 20:57.35 | josephscott | mindjuju: yep, I have an idea of a presentation too :-) |
| 20:57.41 | mindjuju | ah cool |
| 20:57.47 | mindjuju | well, what I was going to say though is this |
| 20:57.52 | mindjuju | remember way a long time ago |
| 20:58.02 | mindjuju | when I said that I remembered seeing a utah oracle group |
| 20:58.08 | mindjuju | i talked to a member at geek lunch and got this |
| 20:58.13 | mindjuju | http://www.utoug.org/pls/apex/f?p=269:1:1358241077732602 |
| 20:58.33 | mindjuju | seems like it was you who was curious about the group, but i was never able to find the page again |
| 20:58.40 | mindjuju | until here recently |
| 20:58.52 | mindjuju | the guy says there is a membership fee though |
| 20:59.20 | josephscott | it's oracle, of course there's a fee ;-) |
| 21:00.02 | josephscott | and they get the super ugly URL award too! |
| 21:00.39 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:00.46 | mindjuju | so what is the idea you were thinking of? |
| 21:03.09 | josephscott | anatomy of a PHP request |
| 21:03.34 | mindjuju | sounds V cool |
| 21:04.06 | josephscott | we can get into what PHP does to handle request, APC, VLD, op codes, etc. |
| 21:04.32 | josephscott | maybe talk some about hiphop, if they get around to releasing the code for it |
| 21:04.52 | mindjuju | was just going to say |
| 21:04.59 | mindjuju | it would be cool to hear about that too |
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| 21:28.34 | utahcon | anyone here familiar with something like "$var <<< XML" ? |
| 21:29.03 | ninnypants | yeah it's heradox syntax |
| 21:29.27 | utahcon | thank you |
| 21:33.31 | mgeary | heredoc |
| 21:33.53 | ninnypants | though it should have an = sign eg $var = <<<XML |
| 21:34.30 | ninnypants | oh and to close it you would use XML; with no white space infront of it |
| 21:34.47 | ninnypants | on its own line |
| 21:35.13 | ninnypants | line 786 if you haven't found it yet |
| 21:35.48 | ninnypants | sorry wrong chat window |
| 21:36.47 | thebigdog | mindjuju: did we ever get a list of topics that people wanted to hear about? |
| 21:40.57 | mindjuju | just that one |
| 21:41.01 | mindjuju | php + bidness |
| 21:41.22 | thebigdog | oh |
| 21:41.48 | redroy | anyone ever implement OpenID ? I'm wondering if it's even used that much to worry about ? |
| 21:42.00 | mindjuju | did you have an idea about it thebigdog? |
| 21:42.16 | thebigdog | for php+biz? |
| 21:42.33 | mindjuju | justincarmony thinks he could do both possibly |
| 21:42.45 | mindjuju | but if we are going to do that, we'll have to be careful and give him enough time to prep |
| 21:42.55 | mindjuju | did you have a presentation idea in general? |
| 21:43.11 | mindjuju | you know which topic we shoudl revisit? |
| 21:43.15 | mindjuju | php + seo |
| 21:43.21 | mindjuju | that brought in a ton of people |
| 21:43.40 | redroy | I'm coming this month no matter what :) |
| 21:43.46 | justincarmony | jQuery :P |
| 21:44.10 | mindjuju | jquery could be cool |
| 21:44.13 | justincarmony | lol, and I second josephscott's idea :P |
| 21:44.42 | thebigdog | i dont have an idea per se but i could come up with one |
| 21:44.47 | thebigdog | just not sure what everyone wants |
| 21:45.21 | mindjuju | thebigdog, maybe you could do the SQL preso? |
| 21:45.32 | mindjuju | maybe on sprocs |
| 21:45.36 | mindjuju | or crazy joins |
| 21:45.41 | mindjuju | or something |
| 21:48.45 | utahcon | redroy: I have implemented OpenID |
| 21:50.07 | DexterTheDragon | utahcon: do do dododo |
| 21:50.15 | redroy | utahcon, cool... was it worth it? I'm starting a new user system and I wonder if people would like the option. I've never even used openID so I'm not sure. |
| 21:50.16 | utahcon | ma nama nah |
| 21:50.46 | utahcon | redroy: Are you planning on just comsuming and not creating? |
| 21:51.03 | utahcon | ie. allowing people to use existing OpenID, and not creating new OpenIDs |
| 21:51.35 | redroy | I would think both... but I really don't know |
| 21:51.44 | utahcon | Consuming is retarded easy. |
| 21:51.53 | utahcon | Crating and what not... is still easy, but a pain in the ass |
| 21:51.55 | utahcon | butt |
| 21:51.58 | utahcon | sorry guys. |
| 21:52.00 | utahcon | ;) |
| 21:52.15 | utahcon | Is it worth it? |
| 21:52.27 | redroy | Could consuming be combined with my own user system ? Allow native login as well as openID logins? |
| 21:52.43 | utahcon | I don't think it is widespread enough to really say, and as far as users go they are completely lost on it. |
| 21:53.04 | utahcon | redroy: yes, you can consume and tie it to a local account |
| 21:53.11 | utahcon | that is actually the suggested way to go |
| 21:53.38 | utahcon | I would say if I had to choose between OpenID and something like Facebook Connect, I would roll with FB. |
| 21:53.43 | utahcon | If you can do both, do it. |
| 21:53.46 | utahcon | The more the merrier :D |
| 21:53.57 | redroy | cool, that's what I was wondering |
| 21:54.00 | utahcon | Just make sure it is easy to associate with your accounts. |
| 21:54.15 | redroy | sweet, mucho thanks |
| 21:54.35 | utahcon | np |
| 21:54.50 | mgeary | great stuff |
| 21:55.44 | utahcon | redroy: If you do go with OpenID, be aware that each OpenID provider is different, and so some will hand over things like name with no reserve, while others will make you seem like a super creep when you simply want their avatar. |
| 21:57.26 | mindjuju | man, i could sure go for a chilli dog with wolf brand chili - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqeVM0tGRo4 |
| 21:58.00 | redroy | utahcon: noted, thanks <searching for radiohead> |
| 21:59.01 | mindjuju | DtD - how long has it been since you had a big thick bowl of wolf brand chili? |
| 21:59.23 | DexterTheDragon | probably never |
| 21:59.28 | mindjuju | too long |
| 22:03.59 | romanovic | mindjuju, have you ever considered becoming a food critic? |
| 22:04.14 | romanovic | could write a food blog |
| 22:05.05 | utahcon | I'd get too hungry writing about foo dall day... |
| 22:05.15 | mindjuju | i never thought about it, but i did see the simpsons episode where homer is the food critic |
| 22:05.35 | romanovic | mindjuju already writes about food all day |
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| 22:36.14 | herlo | actually have wanted it to be Friday since Sunday night |
| 22:38.29 | whiteinge | heh |
| 22:39.28 | Utah_Dave | dang, every time I think CPAN is done upgrading, it finds some dependency it has to download and install. This has been going on for 20 or 25 minutes now |
| 22:41.58 | whiteinge | mgeary: ever been before? |
| 22:42.07 | mgeary | whiteinge: no |
| 22:42.40 | whiteinge | I wonder if it is really as bad as the reputation. |
| 22:45.24 | SunSparc | Probably depends on the trial. |
| 22:46.11 | mgeary | i'd like to do it, but the timing isn't great |
| 22:46.15 | mgeary | probably never is |
| 22:54.11 | justincarmony | my aunt got called in a some crazy murder trial |
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| 23:03.55 | josephscott | justincarmony: one of your intro topics needs to be basic security |
| 23:04.07 | justincarmony | thats a good one |
| 23:04.41 | justincarmony | josephscott: random questions, how many reqs per second can Apache serve via PHP more or less? |
| 23:04.42 | josephscott | never, ever, ever, EVER, EVER trust data from $_GET, $_POST, $_REQUEST, $_COOKIE, $_SERVER and anything else that came from out side your code (database, memcached, 3rd party APIs, files read in, etc.) |
| 23:05.06 | josephscott | justincarmony: it depends :-) |
| 23:07.48 | justincarmony | josephscott: lol, I know... lets say a normal sized PHP app :P |
| 23:07.53 | jtsnow | apache can be built in many different ways |
| 23:08.04 | josephscott | it's a huge range |
| 23:08.12 | justincarmony | *sigh* I know... |
| 23:08.44 | josephscott | sorry, there's no substitute for just trying it out |
| 23:09.12 | justincarmony | josephscott: whats a apache stress tester? |
| 23:09.18 | josephscott | that's one of those questions that every likes to ask (including me), but really can't be answered in a broad sense, only for s specific case |
| 23:09.22 | josephscott | ab |
| 23:09.25 | josephscott | siege |
| 23:09.36 | josephscott | httperf |
| 23:10.02 | josephscott | while ab is handy, it is also known to lie in some cases with Apache on Linux |
| 23:10.15 | justincarmony | is siege the best in your opinion? |
| 23:10.27 | josephscott | so be careful, if number look crazy, be skeptical |
| 23:10.39 | josephscott | I've used siege, works well |
| 23:10.58 | josephscott | the numbers can only be compared to siege though, not to other tools |
| 23:11.42 | josephscott | siege compiles on the mac just fine |
| 23:12.47 | josephscott | justincarmony: if we start using hiphop there will be more time for sword fighting :-) |
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| 23:15.25 | justincarmony | josephscott: you're right... it will be the first time in my web career that I could say I was waiting for something to compile in PHP... |
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| 23:30.37 | mgeary | romanovic: ping |
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