IRC log for #uphpu on 20100201

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19:19.53itimbermorning guys
19:20.18ninnypantsmorning
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19:52.25justincarmonyhey itimber :)
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20:58.35justincarmonyDexterTheDragon: so how do you like your mbp?
21:00.24DexterTheDragonjustincarmony: the roughly 5 hours I use it a month are usually full of suck
21:00.38justincarmonyLOL, seriously?
21:00.50DexterTheDragonI don't like the os
21:01.02justincarmonyreally? I like it a lot :P
21:01.10justincarmonyyou can always drop down to the terminal
21:01.25DexterTheDragonthats what people say
21:01.55justincarmonydo you not like it's terminal?
21:02.01DexterTheDragonbut its still a terminal bound within an OS that annoys me
21:02.08justincarmonylol
21:02.42justincarmonyI think you're just the kind of guy who likes to control every aspect of their OS :P
21:02.47DexterTheDragonyep
21:02.54justincarmonywhich Mac/Windows will never let you do :P
21:03.00jsmithI'm on a MBP right now, but I'm running Linux
21:03.11justincarmonyDexterTheDragon: you could try to dual boot it
21:03.12jsmithEverytime I boot into OS X I can feel my brain getting dumber
21:03.36DexterTheDragonI put linux on the MBP but I couldn't get all the nice hardware to function properly and it seemed like a waste
21:05.02DexterTheDragonyeah I got some of it working, but got tired of fighting with it and haven't played with it more
21:15.02justincarmonythe one time I tried to dual boot linux w/ my mbp
21:15.07justincarmonyit got all seriously fubar'd
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21:17.51josephscottDexterTheDragon: put in a VM then, switch to full screen, and pretend there's nothing underneath :-)
21:18.34DexterTheDragonjosephscott: unfortionately its the keyboard mapping thats one of the biggest things that pisses me off
21:18.58josephscottreally?  what specifically?
21:19.19Utah_Daveamen, DexterTheDragon
21:19.22DexterTheDragonthe command, option, and control keys
21:19.49Utah_DaveIf I can plug in a Windows keyboard, I don't mind a mac too much
21:20.10DexterTheDragonI remap control, caps lock, escape, and meta keys in both linux and windows
21:20.19josephscottI'm not sure I understand, you don't like their location on the keyboard?
21:20.57DexterTheDragonI don't like their location. and I don't like how the os uses them
21:21.29josephscottlocation there's not much to be done, but you can easily change their function
21:21.49DexterTheDragoneven if I were able to remap the keys I'd still be stuck with having to remember things like copy isn't ctrl-c its meta-c
21:23.04josephscottwhen I first started using OS X a lot I was worried about switching between Windows/Mac/Linux/FreeBSD, in practice I found it not be that big of a deal
21:23.17justincarmonyI hate the home/end key functionality on MAc
21:23.28DexterTheDragonjustincarmony: that too
21:23.32josephscottthe copy paste short codes weren't as bit a deal as I had worried about initially
21:24.30DexterTheDragonjosephscott: like I said I remap the keyboard. when I'm in linux I can use the whole OS strictly from the keyboard. while I can manage when I goto someone elses computer it slows me down and annoys me
21:24.47justincarmonymy mac is still in China...
21:24.53justincarmonygo faster! :P
21:25.38josephscottDexterTheDragon: how did you end up with a mac?
21:25.45DexterTheDragonwork gave me one
21:26.01josephscottthey didn't ask you first?
21:27.08DexterTheDragonmy machine at work is a linux desktop. but they also gave me a 13" macbook
21:27.31josephscottwithout asking what you'd prefer first?
21:28.04josephscottseems like they could have saved you some grief by simply asking you first
21:28.39DexterTheDragonno they know I don't like mac. but everyone here uses macs so they have things like omnigrapple. so they gave me the macbook for if I even need to run that stuff
21:28.46DexterTheDragonI use it almost never
21:29.42DexterTheDragonbut I did try using it and I did try liking it and it just couldn't be done :)
21:30.01josephscotthaha, that might be a bit of a stretch :-)
21:31.56DexterTheDragonOSX is nice and it has some nice things but there are some subtle things that are impossible to change
21:32.19DexterTheDragonI looked a lot into the way the window manager worked before realizing its impossible to change it
21:33.24josephscottwell, short of the key location, Linux inside a VM should be fine
21:33.53mgearyhey, anyone here interested in developing an iPhone app for a paying customer?
21:34.23_psychic_maybe
21:34.42_psychic_As long as there are no IQ quizzes or farts involved. ;)
21:34.45mgearygot experience?
21:35.01mgearyno, none of that, though i'm not the customer
21:35.21_psychic_mgeary: yessir
21:42.00DezertolDexterTheDragon I run enlightenment on my mac osx
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21:42.57josephscottDezertol: good point, it does come with it's own X server
21:43.49Dezertolyes it does
21:43.52Dezertoland I run Eterm also
21:44.02Dezertoli'm an eterm/enlightenment fan
21:45.47redroymgeary, I would too
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22:05.58utahconquiter
22:06.16blendmaster1024how much quieter?
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22:25.11utahconanyone thinking about going to PLUG next week, from SLC? I might be looking for a carpool.
22:27.17herloutahcon: me!
22:28.40utahconherlo: what time would you be heading down?
22:29.38herlowell, probably about 6:45
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22:32.18justincarmonywow
22:32.19justincarmonyhttp://www.sltrib.com/ci_14303064?IADID=Search-www.sltrib.com-www.sltrib.com
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23:04.03fungusIKEA now sells cheap network racks:  http://lifehacker.com/5459719/build-a-network-rack-with-an-ikea-table
23:13.48orsonj<PROTECTED>
23:13.59orsonjnice
23:15.01romanovicwhoa
23:15.27romanovicred oracle logos everywhere!
23:16.41orsonjthat is because it is oracle's website, sun's just redirects there
23:17.26DexterTheDragonI'm surprised mysql's site isn't covered in oracle
23:17.56orsonjI don't think they want to do that to their image
23:20.24romanovicwell, specifically i was referencing java api's on java.sun.com.  those have the logo as well.
23:21.45orsonjah, well I guess they are making their way around.
23:29.29fungusmysql.com still has an Oracle logo at the very bottom, but *very* hidden
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23:34.55DexterTheDragonoh there is one down there
23:36.03orsonjhttp://www.google.com/search?q=%22%C2%A9+2010,+Oracle+Corporation+and/or+its+affiliates%22  <-- fun search
23:36.14orsonjplay spot the logo
23:40.05funguswow, oracle is really working hard to remove all Sun logos and branding.
23:41.48DexterTheDragonthey didn't pay 7.4B for nothin
23:42.57Heartsbaneya the only people that pay 7.4B for nothin is the Pentagon
23:43.27Heartsbaneand usually that is funnelled into a black op
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