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| 03:31.26 | influx | After I've trimmed a variable, does the resulting value get assigned to the variable? |
| 03:32.30 | stderr | you mean trim($var) ? |
| 03:32.40 | stderr | no, it returns a string |
| 03:32.41 | stderr | http://php.net/manual/en/function.trim.php |
| 03:36.43 | influx | Just making sure. |
| 03:37.05 | influx | Thanks. |
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| 04:31.39 | supernovia | hey beandog |
| 04:31.50 | beandog | supernovia: o hai |
| 04:32.13 | supernovia | so are you coming to UPHPU tomorrow? |
| 04:32.32 | beandog | I am having *the* weirdest linux problem. |
| 04:32.38 | beandog | oh crap is that tomorrow? |
| 04:32.40 | beandog | I totally forgot |
| 04:32.58 | supernovia | it is tomorrow |
| 04:33.39 | supernovia | what's up w. linux? |
| 04:34.12 | beandog | The network gets like 5k down, only in Linux, only on the subnet at work |
| 04:34.45 | supernovia | hmmm |
| 04:34.54 | supernovia | multiple machines? |
| 04:36.26 | beandog | yah |
| 04:36.33 | beandog | I had two laptops testingi t on, but they had the same NIC |
| 04:36.33 | beandog | :T |
| 04:36.40 | beandog | So I couldn't confirm it was just Broadcom |
| 04:37.07 | supernovia | what kind of linux? |
| 04:37.16 | beandog | both Gentoo and Ubuntu |
| 04:37.25 | supernovia | hmm |
| 04:38.53 | supernovia | what's their gateway like? |
| 04:39.01 | beandog | supernovia: what you mean |
| 04:39.31 | supernovia | how are they connected to the net? |
| 04:40.32 | beandog | oh, not too sure |
| 04:40.51 | beandog | I know theyre using Comcast as their provider |
| 04:40.57 | beandog | and the DHCP server is running on Windows 2k3 |
| 04:41.36 | supernovia | ok |
| 04:44.32 | supernovia | I could go dig out my textbook to see if it'd help .. |
| 04:45.17 | supernovia | but my windows server exp ended with NT :-/ |
| 04:45.39 | beandog | heh |
| 04:45.47 | supernovia | where are you working now, btw? |
| 04:46.17 | beandog | http://www.avenueconsultants.com/ |
| 04:47.01 | supernovia | cool |
| 04:49.36 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: found a job? |
| 04:51.08 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: yah |
| 04:51.25 | DexterTheDragon | nice |
| 04:51.32 | beandog | :) |
| 04:51.41 | beandog | I also got a new BluRay player :D |
| 04:51.47 | supernovia | cheers for beandog :-D |
| 04:51.58 | beandog | it is sexy go awesome |
| 04:54.32 | supernovia | this is a new new BluRay? |
| 04:55.01 | beandog | yah |
| 04:55.09 | beandog | new Sony Bluray player |
| 04:55.12 | beandog | woo woo |
| 04:55.14 | beandog | its great |
| 04:55.20 | beandog | its better than the PS3 |
| 04:55.59 | supernovia | that's cool ;) |
| 04:56.50 | beandog | which actually surprises me, because the ps3 is pretty nice |
| 05:00.03 | wps | I'm never going back to applebeese |
| 05:00.23 | supernovia | why's that? |
| 05:00.26 | wps | I've washed my hands and brushed my teeth and I still can't get the smell off me and the taste out of my mouth |
| 05:00.42 | wps | dark, dirty, gross food |
| 05:00.50 | wps | so much more a bar than last time I was in one |
| 05:01.05 | beandog | yah but they have oreo thingies in a cup |
| 05:01.19 | supernovia | and, if you sit facing away from the bar, it just looks like a normal restaurant |
| 05:01.28 | wps | it's Blue Lemon for me |
| 05:01.34 | supernovia | but with your cool UPHPU friends in it |
| 05:01.39 | supernovia | Blue Lemon = ok. |
| 05:01.57 | supernovia | Flour Girls and Dough Boys rocks my socks though |
| 05:02.08 | wps | that'll work as well |
| 05:02.27 | wps | or cafe rio |
| 05:02.46 | supernovia | that ones another meh for me - but maybe it was just that it was always way too crowded when I went there |
| 05:02.52 | wps | although I'd take the fresh of FGDB, BL, or Kneeders over anything else for sure |
| 05:02.57 | supernovia | seemed like they were just trying to shove as many people into that box as possible |
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| 05:03.15 | wps | I am so tired of eating low quality, dirty, heavy food |
| 05:04.14 | beandog | wps: I hear ya man |
| 05:04.15 | supernovia | I am tired of not eating buffalo wings |
| 05:04.37 | wps | and winter is killing me |
| 05:04.41 | wps | I've got to get out |
| 05:05.02 | supernovia | you should have come and run around in the slushy snow and blue skies yesterday |
| 05:05.03 | wps | I'm on the cusp of contracting Dunlop's Disease |
| 05:05.03 | supernovia | while they lasted |
| 05:08.14 | beandog | wps: whats that |
| 05:08.33 | wps | when your belly's dun lopped over your belt |
| 05:09.47 | supernovia | I think I've been there since I had kids :-( they don't recognize old pics of me |
| 05:10.29 | supernovia | although there was a brief time after I had mary where I was basically starving myself, it all came back. alas. |
| 05:11.17 | supernovia | I signed up for Biggest Loser at uvu today though |
| 05:13.23 | supernovia | well, thanks herlo. I'm going to feel awesome though when I'm done with this ;) |
| 05:15.29 | beandog | I would agree, that kinda surprised me you mentioned that |
| 05:15.36 | beandog | hence the lack of response. |
| 05:16.16 | supernovia | I'll just go till the wii fit stops calling me fat :) |
| 05:16.26 | beandog | oh man I want one of those. |
| 05:17.02 | supernovia | My little bro got one for his birthday .. I so love wii fit |
| 05:17.10 | supernovia | and wii fit plus is even better than the last version |
| 05:17.49 | beandog | supernovia: do you play wii sports? |
| 05:18.28 | supernovia | I love Wii Sports |
| 05:19.10 | supernovia | It's been the better part of a year since I've had a wii |
| 05:19.25 | herlo | supernovia: hehe, the wii fit would call me crazy and yell at me for standing on it |
| 05:20.50 | supernovia | hehe, really? |
| 05:20.55 | supernovia | too wiggly? |
| 05:21.04 | herlo | well, a wiggley belly |
| 05:21.22 | supernovia | It wouldn't say that! |
| 05:21.35 | supernovia | Cute little balance board is nice even when it's saying "You're Overweight!" |
| 05:22.01 | beandog | Okay |
| 05:22.03 | beandog | Im so going to bed |
| 05:22.11 | beandog | I dont know why Im stressing over this silly thing |
| 05:22.21 | beandog | well, yes I do. |
| 05:22.44 | beandog | I'm a sucker for hard problems |
| 05:22.52 | supernovia | hehe |
| 05:22.54 | beandog | thanks for the help supernovia |
| 05:23.02 | supernovia | sorry it wasn't much! |
| 05:23.19 | beandog | well |
| 05:23.25 | beandog | its only day one |
| 05:23.26 | beandog | :) |
| 05:23.34 | beandog | http://gallery.me.com/d.molanphy#100128 |
| 05:23.36 | beandog | my new niece |
| 05:23.37 | beandog | :D |
| 05:23.46 | beandog | fresh from the cabbage patch |
| 05:23.57 | supernovia | ahhh cute |
| 05:24.55 | supernovia | congrats :) |
| 05:25.06 | beandog | well, I didnt do anything |
| 05:25.17 | beandog | I approved of the name |
| 05:25.18 | beandog | :) |
| 05:25.26 | beandog | ok! |
| 05:25.29 | beandog | going to bed! |
| 05:25.30 | beandog | really! |
| 05:25.31 | supernovia | well, it's fun getting a new niece nonetheless |
| 05:25.31 | beandog | bye |
| 05:25.36 | supernovia | hehe, see ya |
| 05:26.26 | supernovia | hey herlo.. did you see beandog's issue he mentioned? |
| 05:27.06 | supernovia | you're good at sorting out stuff like that.. |
| 05:33.28 | wps | my daughter watched some clip on youtube with elton john singing with the muppets this morning and it's been haunting me all day |
| 05:37.25 | supernovia | good times |
| 05:37.59 | supernovia | I hate it when I get 'we built this city on rock and roll' stuck in my mind, because I only remember that lyric plus +"listen to the radio, don't you remember?" |
| 05:38.23 | supernovia | and.. I don't. So those same three phrases end up in a loop and it's bad news |
| 05:38.33 | wps | I get bad loops in my head |
| 05:39.03 | supernovia | Me too. |
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| 06:09.36 | supernovia | hey justin |
| 06:09.52 | supernovia | I mean hi justincarmony |
| 06:10.05 | justincarmony | lol, hey supernovia :p0 |
| 06:10.06 | justincarmony | :) |
| 06:10.09 | supernovia | hehe |
| 06:10.15 | supernovia | did you end up getting your new laptop? |
| 06:10.26 | justincarmony | well, I've got the funds set aside |
| 06:11.00 | justincarmony | however there is supose to be announcements next week |
| 06:11.07 | justincarmony | from apple on new updates |
| 06:11.08 | supernovia | I am seriously tempted to go buy something myself but it'd be with my student loan :- |
| 06:11.33 | justincarmony | and rumor has it the MacBook Pros are getting new chips |
| 06:11.37 | supernovia | ah |
| 06:18.52 | justincarmony | what kind of laptop are you thinking about getting supernovia ? |
| 06:19.16 | supernovia | something much smaller than the ones I've got that'll run flex and photoshop |
| 06:19.36 | supernovia | since I rely pretty heavily on my ancient ps7 for windows :-/ |
| 06:20.05 | justincarmony | lol |
| 06:20.24 | justincarmony | how big are the ones you have atm? |
| 06:20.40 | supernovia | and since I have to have flex for the class. So ... probably 10-12", light.. cheap. at least 3G ram |
| 06:20.57 | supernovia | or I should say the best performance I can get with the most portability at the cheapest price |
| 06:21.37 | supernovia | they're 17" and 15, and I have a 12 but it's quite old and has some problem with the ac in |
| 06:22.12 | supernovia | all three are in need of repairs :-( |
| 06:23.05 | supernovia | I have really liked lenovo so I might get one of their business-class netbooks with the full size spill-resistant keyboard |
| 06:23.41 | justincarmony | that'd be cool |
| 06:24.23 | supernovia | anyway yeah that's a really general description, but those are my priorities anyhow |
| 06:24.56 | supernovia | thing is, I can't send this one in for repairs (screen/hinge have come apart; can't close it properly) until I'm caught up on projects |
| 06:25.25 | supernovia | but trying to get stuff done on the kids laptop at school = major cut in productivity |
| 06:26.10 | supernovia | so I have to finish here; but meanwhile I'm getting behind just for the fact tha tI can't take this thing to school anymore. |
| 06:26.17 | supernovia | a netbook would pay for itself quickly |
| 06:28.38 | supernovia | or maybe I'm just tired.. better go to bed :-p |
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| 15:11.58 | *** topic/#UPHPU by macnewbold -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org | Meeting tonight! 7pm @ Bill Good, 9pm @ Applebee's (Draper) - Justin Carmony with PHP "Fun"damentals and Trevor "Heartsbane" Sharpe with Basic Linux Server Admin - See you there! :-D |
| 15:12.15 | macnewbold | ~meeting time |
| 15:13.13 | macnewbold | ibot: meeting time is there's a UPHPU meeting tonight, including the meeting-after-the-meeting at the Draper Applebee's from about 9pm to 1am |
| 15:13.14 | ibot | okay, macnewbold |
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| 15:27.17 | mindjuju | darn where is utah_dave when you need him? |
| 15:29.45 | romanovic | not by choice |
| 15:31.23 | mindjuju | the same one over and over? |
| 15:31.30 | mindjuju | don't they have like 3 different flavors? |
| 15:36.59 | romanovic | i think. i got bacon every time |
| 15:37.09 | mindjuju | ah |
| 15:37.14 | romanovic | or rather, bacon was provided every time |
| 15:45.59 | herlo | how come? |
| 15:47.37 | macnewbold | herlo: uphpu meeting, of course! |
| 15:47.39 | macnewbold | ~meeting time |
| 15:47.40 | ibot | rumour has it, meeting time is there's a UPHPU meeting tonight, including the meeting-after-the-meeting at the Draper Applebee's from about 9pm to 1am |
| 15:52.46 | herlo | macnewbold: hehe, I know |
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| 16:41.51 | justincarmony | good morning fellow phpers :P |
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| 16:43.23 | mgeary | morning |
| 16:43.28 | utahcon | where? |
| 16:44.15 | utahcon | So then I tried PHP and Peers... PHPeers still seems wrong. |
| 16:44.37 | utahcon | this is what happens while you wait for long DB updates. |
| 16:51.20 | mgeary | ping romanovic |
| 16:51.27 | justincarmony | lol utahcon |
| 16:51.41 | utahcon | my query is in the 1000+ seconds range now :( |
| 16:51.46 | utahcon | gonna suck when I have to go live with it |
| 16:55.53 | jsmith | utahcon: 1000+ seconds? |
| 16:56.15 | utahcon | jsmith: yes |
| 16:56.32 | utahcon | that is what SHOW FULL PROCESSLIST reports |
| 16:57.08 | jsmith | Yuck yuck yuck... that's just ugly |
| 16:57.08 | utahcon | tell me abou tit |
| 16:57.31 | utahcon | Freudian slip? |
| 16:59.21 | mgeary | you know, he was weird, but i don't think Freud wore slips |
| 16:59.39 | justincarmony | utahcon: wow, have you mysql explained it? |
| 16:59.53 | mgeary | ~commando Freud |
| 16:59.55 | josephscott | this is a DB update though, not a select |
| 17:00.03 | utahcon | justincarmony: don't need to it is a truly simple query |
| 17:00.19 | utahcon | UPDATE table SET name='Blah' WHERE name='OtherBlah'; |
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| 17:00.26 | josephscott | if this is mysql there is no such thing as a simple query :-) |
| 17:00.30 | justincarmony | and name has an index? |
| 17:00.33 | mgeary | utahcon: do you have an index on name? |
| 17:00.40 | utahcon | 303K records, with quite large blobs in the mix :( |
| 17:00.43 | romanovic | mgeary: pong |
| 17:00.46 | utahcon | mgeary: nope |
| 17:00.57 | justincarmony | utahcon: Adding a index should help |
| 17:00.58 | mgeary | utahcon: you really should |
| 17:01.12 | josephscott | mgeary: that's a big assumption without more info |
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| 17:01.39 | utahcon | I am willing to give it a shot |
| 17:01.39 | mgeary | josephscott: true, but if you've got "where name='blah'", then an index would typically help |
| 17:02.24 | josephscott | I'm not doubting that it would likely help in this case, what isn't clear is if that is the best option for the rest of his app |
| 17:02.25 | mgeary | utahcon: is name a varchar field? |
| 17:02.30 | mgeary | true |
| 17:02.34 | utahcon | mgeary: yes |
| 17:02.57 | utahcon | josephscott: it wouldn't help anywhere else, but it may make the update quicker, which would be awesome. |
| 17:03.24 | josephscott | if you do these types of updates often then it's likely worth it |
| 17:03.39 | josephscott | however, with only 300k records, it still isn't clear why it's taking a long time |
| 17:03.43 | utahcon | lol - hopefully not, we are fixing an old mistake :( |
| 17:04.26 | utahcon | josephscott: each row has two blobs... my guess is the data is a bit intensive for MySQL, but I don't know the inner workings of MySQL as I wish I did. |
| 17:04.36 | josephscott | is the DB server using swap? maxing out CPU? |
| 17:04.55 | utahcon | fungus: am I taxing out uranium-dev? |
| 17:05.34 | fungus | hehe, just a bit. :) |
| 17:05.39 | utahcon | ;) |
| 17:10.16 | justincarmony | utahcon: are you updating any of the blobs? |
| 17:10.22 | utahcon | justincarmony: nope |
| 17:11.03 | justincarmony | myisam, innodb? |
| 17:11.12 | wps | beard! |
| 17:11.12 | wps | http://beardporn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/david-traver-475x625.jpg |
| 17:11.18 | utahcon | justincarmony: I think myisam |
| 17:11.30 | utahcon | wps: win! |
| 17:11.46 | wps | whoaâ¦Â didn't see the URL |
| 17:12.07 | wps | the image was on a different site and I just right-clicked the image URL |
| 17:12.08 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 17:12.41 | utahcon | that beard belongs to David Traver |
| 17:12.55 | mgeary | i'd say David belongs to the beard |
| 17:13.06 | utahcon | First Place Over all and First Place in the Freestyle Beard competition in the World Beard and Mustache Championships! |
| 17:14.09 | utahcon | adding the index seems to be taking as long as updating the table :D |
| 17:14.55 | justincarmony | utahcon: typicall it does :P |
| 17:15.31 | justincarmony | utahcon: you didn't answer my question: innodb, myisam? |
| 17:15.43 | utahcon | justincarmony: I think myiasm |
| 17:21.06 | macnewbold | here's 2nd place: http://beardporn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/255-mustache0115367originalstandaloneprod_affiliate7-475x386.jpg |
| 17:21.29 | macnewbold | and his brother, who got 3rd: http://beardporn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/4309_534057382603_4201068_31769582_2011964_n-475x356.jpg |
| 17:21.35 | justincarmony | I wonder if with myisam tables w/ blobs, if you do a full table scan it has to read that blob data... |
| 17:21.36 | utahcon | that is just stupid looking |
| 17:21.38 | wps | what does he do with that when it's not "done up?" |
| 17:22.23 | macnewbold | and this guy has a total unix beard... too bad he's not really a geek: http://beardporn.com/2009/rick-rubin/ |
| 17:23.16 | wps | I get no kisses if there is any scruffy |
| 17:23.31 | utahcon | my wife has not said anything about my beard in the past. |
| 17:23.39 | utahcon | and frankly I wouldn't care... my face my rules. |
| 17:24.02 | justincarmony | http://www.worldbeardchampionships.com/ -- wow |
| 17:24.03 | mgeary | big talk mister "my wife's not here" |
| 17:24.37 | justincarmony | http://www.worldbeardchampionships.com/chevalier.html -- haha, wow! |
| 17:26.27 | justincarmony | macnewbold: this guy has his masters in computer science: http://www.worldbeardchampionships.com/gunnar.html |
| 17:26.40 | utahcon | mgeary: I would say that in front of here too |
| 17:26.50 | utahcon | %s/here/her/ |
| 17:27.46 | utahcon | lol |
| 17:27.51 | utahcon | alright index is taking longer than update |
| 17:30.36 | macnewbold | http://jackpassion.com/post/47235424/a-highlight-from-the-2007-wbmc |
| 17:30.42 | macnewbold | justincarmony: yeah, I saw gunnar - he rocks |
| 17:31.06 | macnewbold | part of my family is from Sweden, moving to utah about 104 years ago |
| 17:31.35 | macnewbold | in fact my g-grandpa's name was Gunnar, the one who emigrated at age 16 |
| 17:31.52 | macnewbold | http://facialhairhandbook.com/table-of-contents/ |
| 17:33.05 | macnewbold | http://www.beardteamusa.org/analysis.html |
| 17:34.42 | utahcon | "It takes balls to grow a beard when the world around you doesnât approve. Four balls are better than two. An army of balls is even better." |
| 17:35.40 | macnewbold | we need some serious participation from UPHPU for Movember this year: http://us.movember.com/ http://www.movember.com/ |
| 17:38.46 | utahcon | I think each member of UPHPU (ladies can be excluded) should purchase a copy The Facial Hair Handbook, grow a beard, and support Movember. |
| 17:39.04 | stderr | new Banksy in Utah http://www.juxtapoz.com/16474-new-banksy-in-park-city-utah |
| 17:40.00 | justincarmony | lol |
| 17:40.03 | justincarmony | I knew a guy who did Movember |
| 17:40.23 | justincarmony | but all he could grow was this thin and long redish mustach |
| 17:40.37 | justincarmony | and he seriously looked like a child molester |
| 17:40.43 | justincarmony | it was kinda creepy :P |
| 17:42.56 | macnewbold | ew |
| 17:43.01 | macnewbold | yeah, that wouldn't work |
| 17:47.07 | justincarmony | Arg, politicians can really bug me sometimes :P |
| 17:47.09 | undertakingyou | Weird question: Is there a way that user or a bot could change a php form so that it emails a different to address? |
| 17:47.31 | utahcon | undertakingyou: depends on the form and how you process it. |
| 17:47.37 | utahcon | is the to address part of the actual form? |
| 17:47.37 | mgeary | undertakingyou: only if that's controlled in the form inputs |
| 17:48.27 | undertakingyou | utahcon: no, it is not part of the form. After form submission I take the input data and push it through a mail() function where I have the address statically placed. |
| 17:48.54 | undertakingyou | hmm . . I am getting spam sent to me that mimics my form exactly, but goes to a different address. |
| 17:49.00 | utahcon | undertakingyou: then as far as I know, no. |
| 17:49.44 | undertakingyou | rage. I wonder how them mimic it exactly. Damn spam. Makes me mad. |
| 17:51.10 | justincarmony | mindjuju: ping |
| 17:51.43 | DexterTheDragon | undertakingyou: it can be possible to do header injection on mail forms |
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| 18:41.37 | justincarmony | I wonder how many people actually use Xservers by apple |
| 18:42.07 | mgeary | we've got 2 |
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| 18:50.01 | influx | fungus: We still on for today? |
| 18:50.08 | fungus | yup |
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| 18:50.42 | fungus | justincarmony, I'm actually considering a Mini Server. Looks pretty fun. |
| 18:51.10 | justincarmony | a Mini Server could be fun |
| 18:51.18 | brasto2 | Oour power has now gone off 4 times for about 30 seconds each time. It's really annoying... anyone else experiencing this? |
| 18:51.33 | justincarmony | brasto2: nope, but I'm in Ogden |
| 18:51.55 | brasto2 | I'd be worried if it was happening from West Valley to Ogden... lol |
| 18:52.25 | influx | fungus: Cool. Remember what I look like? |
| 18:52.31 | brasto2 | it keeps kicking me off the web, too, since I'm connected via a wireless router plugged into the wall. |
| 18:52.33 | fungus | Nope |
| 18:52.35 | fungus | :) |
| 18:52.41 | influx | Heh. |
| 18:52.44 | fungus | I drive a Purple Honda Fit though. |
| 18:52.49 | fungus | pretty easy to spot |
| 18:54.38 | influx | Cool.http://bit.ly/8mizB6 |
| 18:54.54 | influx | That'd be me, only now my hair isn't quite so long. |
| 18:55.03 | influx | See you at 6:22 |
| 18:55.37 | fungus | heh, cool. |
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| 19:21.16 | wps | hilarious wifi network names: http://www.holytaco.com/25-hilarious-wifi-network-names |
| 19:21.38 | wps | waitâ¦Â looks like i posted that too soon |
| 19:22.03 | wps | warning: some not appropriate stuff in there |
| 19:22.03 | wps | sorry |
| 19:22.33 | wps | I had only scrolled a little bit before pasting |
| 19:22.37 | wps | sorry everyone |
| 19:22.53 | fungus | No inappropriate pictures though. still SFW for most people |
| 19:30.33 | Zelut | what is the general opinion regarding magic_quotes_gpc? should I set it On and use it, or handle slashes manually? |
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| 19:39.19 | DexterTheDragon | Zelut: magic quotes are evil |
| 19:40.04 | mgeary | agreed |
| 19:43.31 | Zelut | ok then |
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| 19:56.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh that's right, meeting tonight. |
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| 20:14.16 | justincarmony | DexterTheDragon: lol, I misread his statement :P |
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| 20:45.59 | Zelut | From the PHP book I'm reading (of course I find this _after_ I ask my question): |
| 20:46.03 | Zelut | If you are inserting form data into your database, try turning magic quotes on. Then turn it back off again once you realize it's evil, and switch to something like mysql_escape_string(). |
| 20:46.12 | mgeary | hah |
| 20:46.18 | mgeary | or better yet... |
| 20:46.31 | mgeary | start using an ActiveRecord design pattern and don't write one-off sql |
| 20:50.45 | utahcon | mgeary: you got a good doc on ActiveRecord design? |
| 20:50.50 | utahcon | that is a new one for me. |
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| 20:51.52 | mgeary | utahcon: well, i wrote my own, inspired by Django |
| 20:52.02 | mgeary | but i've heard there are some good OSS ones out there |
| 20:52.21 | mgeary | haven't tried any, but google found this: http://www.phpactiverecord.org/ |
| 20:52.44 | mgeary | once you start using an AR paradigm, you never look back |
| 20:52.48 | mgeary | *never* |
| 20:54.32 | mgeary | these are supposed to be quite good as well: http://ez.no/ezcomponents |
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| 21:02.55 | Dezertol | is Java still my best choice for cross platform fat client app? |
| 21:03.07 | Dezertol | or are they better ones now-a-days |
| 21:03.21 | mgeary | heh. "still" |
| 21:03.28 | Dezertol | lol |
| 21:03.38 | Dezertol | well.. was the "only" one for a while |
| 21:03.44 | Dezertol | and was by default the best |
| 21:04.09 | Dezertol | any opinions would be helpfull |
| 21:04.29 | Dezertol | I need to write an app that can be used on computers that do not have internet access |
| 21:04.47 | DexterTheDragon | C++ with QT |
| 21:04.50 | mgeary | dude, i was building cross-platform clientside apps in, yes, Director, back before Brittney Spears hit puberty |
| 21:04.55 | DexterTheDragon | python with QT |
| 21:05.10 | Dezertol | does QT work in windows? |
| 21:05.16 | DexterTheDragon | yep |
| 21:05.19 | mgeary | Delphi ;) |
| 21:05.19 | Dezertol | nice.. |
| 21:05.30 | Dezertol | I'm not happy with Delphi at the mo |
| 21:05.41 | mgeary | RealBasic |
| 21:05.56 | Dezertol | went round and round with a bunch of people that didn't know what they where doing |
| 21:06.02 | Dezertol | and it just got ugly with Delphi |
| 21:06.18 | Dezertol | still got a bad taste in my mouth from it |
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| 21:07.26 | Dezertol | how long as QT been cross platform |
| 21:07.55 | beandog | http://www.hottopic.com/hottopic/LicensedGear/EverythingElse/ComicsAnimeCartoons/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Leonardo-Funky-Cozy-160450.jsp |
| 21:07.56 | beandog | wow |
| 21:08.37 | Dezertol | I don't know what's worse.. the fact that that's for sell or the fact that it's SOLD OUT |
| 21:08.55 | beandog | I want one |
| 21:08.57 | DexterTheDragon | since about 2002 |
| 21:08.57 | supernovia | I think it needs a giant attached shell-shaped pillow on the back |
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| 21:10.16 | supernovia | "The cushion you wear like a backpack!" |
| 21:13.43 | Lone_Wanderer | These people are pissing me off, _psychic_. |
| 21:14.09 | beandog | supernovia: are you going to tonights meeting |
| 21:14.33 | supernovia | Planning on it :-D |
| 21:14.49 | utahcon | w00t! |
| 21:14.54 | _psychic_ | Lone_Wanderer: ? |
| 21:14.54 | supernovia | (hoping that doesn't change anyone's mind who was thinking of coming) |
| 21:15.23 | supernovia | hehe |
| 21:15.30 | Lone_Wanderer | The CakePHP folks. |
| 21:15.57 | utahcon | CakePHP is a lie |
| 21:16.00 | beandog | I dunno if Im gonna make it |
| 21:16.02 | beandog | Im pooped |
| 21:16.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Caffeine. |
| 21:16.10 | utahcon | beandog: take a shower and head down |
| 21:16.12 | utahcon | or up |
| 21:16.15 | utahcon | it will be fun |
| 21:16.32 | justincarmony | omg, it is a new year miracle! |
| 21:16.35 | beandog | is there gonna be dinner after |
| 21:16.39 | Lone_Wanderer | yes |
| 21:16.39 | supernovia | oh beandog - did you figure out your crazy net issue? |
| 21:16.40 | beandog | applebees |
| 21:16.43 | beandog | supernovia: yah |
| 21:16.54 | beandog | echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling |
| 21:16.56 | justincarmony | APPLE ONLY TOOK ONE WEEK TO APPROVE OUR APP! |
| 21:16.59 | justincarmony | Woohoo! |
| 21:17.14 | supernovia | ahhh yeah! window_scaling! |
| 21:17.40 | supernovia | Nice job justincarmony! And beandog too |
| 21:17.41 | beandog | supernovia: I have no idea what that is |
| 21:17.47 | mgeary | justincarmony: grats |
| 21:17.48 | beandog | saw the idea on a forum, and Im like, ok |
| 21:17.52 | beandog | justincarmony: which app? |
| 21:17.57 | justincarmony | Clipish :) |
| 21:18.02 | _psychic_ | utahcon: I think you mean cake is a li3 |
| 21:18.17 | _psychic_ | Lone_Wanderer: there have been lots of team changes lately, so there's a lot in flux |
| 21:18.20 | supernovia | beandog: it's the thing I couldn't remember / find in the book :-/ unfortunately. Glad you got it though! how'd you figure it out? |
| 21:18.28 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 21:18.31 | Lone_Wanderer | that would be why then |
| 21:18.53 | utahcon | _psychic_: CakePHP is a cake |
| 21:19.02 | beandog | supernovia: why, what is that? I just saw it mentioned on a forum |
| 21:19.05 | utahcon | I was let down when they didn't have actual cake at their presentation |
| 21:19.11 | _psychic_ | where? |
| 21:19.13 | utahcon | I forget who presented though |
| 21:19.33 | _psychic_ | mb someone at CG |
| 21:20.19 | supernovia | let me see if I can find an official def, my professor used lots of analogie |
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| 21:21.33 | DexterTheDragon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_window_scale_option |
| 21:21.37 | supernovia | analogies, sheesh. We were talking about how if you've got a sliding window system there's a percentage of the window that can't be opened because the window slides over... anyway it is some kind of throttling.. |
| 21:22.23 | beandog | wow over my head |
| 21:22.28 | justincarmony | lol |
| 21:22.37 | justincarmony | don't worry beandog, I feel the same way :P |
| 21:23.07 | supernovia | meh, whoever wrote this entry comes off over-the-head |
| 21:23.28 | supernovia | but it's not in my book. Dang, I wish I would have written down everything that guy said. Great professor. |
| 21:24.53 | justincarmony | sounds like you have a good linux teach supernovia :) |
| 21:25.18 | supernovia | and.. reading the article here I can totally remember having to deal with that while transferring data from servers in one DC to another |
| 21:25.39 | supernovia | yeah, he rocks. I plan on taking the advanced class as soon as I can get through the pre-req for it |
| 21:26.24 | supernovia | the advanced linux class = service learning designated; the project I'm missing out on this spring could well have been to build cell towers for destitute farmers |
| 21:26.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Why do poor farmers need cell towers? |
| 21:26.49 | supernovia | so they can use old cell phones to communicate walky-talkie like without having to sign up for a service |
| 21:26.55 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 21:27.19 | supernovia | with the other people on the farm and what not. It would be really cool, and it would involve a trip to some country that needs the help |
| 21:27.40 | justincarmony | wow, sounds like nothing like Weber's CS department :P |
| 21:27.45 | supernovia | or could, anyway. Hopefully they'll be doing something as cool next time he offers the class |
| 21:28.33 | supernovia | well, not all professors are that awesome. but that class was really sweet. |
| 21:29.45 | supernovia | I've had quite the mixed bag when it comes to professors at UVU. |
| 21:30.24 | Lone_Wanderer | I've been generally impressed with the UVU CSCI program |
| 21:30.38 | Lone_Wanderer | moreso than BYU's program |
| 21:30.46 | Lone_Wanderer | at least, based on the graduates I've met from both |
| 21:31.19 | supernovia | their goal is to make people more job-ready than byu graduates :) |
| 21:31.44 | Lone_Wanderer | I met a graduate from BYU who didn't know how a RAID array worked. |
| 21:31.51 | supernovia | oh noes |
| 21:32.05 | Lone_Wanderer | "So like... there's more than one PHYSICAL drive... but you only see one ACTUAL hard drive??" |
| 21:32.34 | Lone_Wanderer | "No there are two or more 'actual' drives, but we combine them into a single 'logical' drive." "Wait, what?" |
| 21:32.50 | Lone_Wanderer | "...There's only one drive. Moving on." |
| 21:33.07 | Lone_Wanderer | He left to pursue a masters degree. |
| 21:33.32 | Lone_Wanderer | With any luck he'll stay safely sequestered in academia for the rest of his life. |
| 21:33.32 | supernovia | "BYU prepares their CS graduates to get masters degrees." |
| 21:33.58 | supernovia | or to get into a masters program |
| 21:35.05 | Lone_Wanderer | I was a CS student at BYU for half a semester. Before that I'd been at the U of MN, which (among other things) operates a pretty significant internet hub, and invented the gopher protocol, client, etc. |
| 21:35.12 | Lone_Wanderer | I was pretty disappointed at what BYU had to offer. |
| 21:35.39 | supernovia | Well, from what I understand it's really great theory but people have a harder applying it when they get out |
| 21:35.40 | Lone_Wanderer | I remember asking where I could find a SPARCstation and getting blank stares. |
| 21:35.57 | supernovia | I will probably try to get into a masters program at BYU |
| 21:36.42 | supernovia | but that's in their industrial design dept, which is supposed to be pretty good |
| 21:36.53 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 21:36.59 | utahcon | you never hear anyone say a schools __ dept sucks |
| 21:37.16 | Lone_Wanderer | I just did. BYU's CS department sucks. |
| 21:37.18 | supernovia | well, their program anyway. I've heard good tings. |
| 21:37.24 | utahcon | at least not if they previously state they want to attend that school. |
| 21:37.32 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 21:37.37 | supernovia | hehe |
| 21:38.19 | utahcon | I am going to attend UofUtahcon, I hear their Dog Grooming program is top notch |
| 21:38.30 | supernovia | w00t! |
| 21:38.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Do it. |
| 21:38.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Delete it all and throw away all your notes. |
| 21:38.48 | supernovia | what's up with the db? |
| 21:38.49 | utahcon | there is a reason I am not a DB |
| 21:38.54 | Lone_Wanderer | (A) |
| 21:39.01 | utahcon | supernovia: long story short, I am not a DBA |
| 21:39.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Unless it already has data in it, in which case don't delete it. |
| 21:39.17 | supernovia | heheh |
| 21:39.21 | utahcon | I have a HUGE table, with some names wrong... and I have to change them... |
| 21:39.31 | utahcon | been working on it all day with no real success. |
| 21:39.34 | supernovia | field names? |
| 21:39.43 | Lone_Wanderer | oh man, that sucks |
| 21:39.44 | utahcon | no |
| 21:39.46 | utahcon | that would be easy |
| 21:39.59 | utahcon | a form name on each row has to be updated. |
| 21:40.12 | supernovia | to.. |
| 21:40.23 | Lone_Wanderer | I mean, it sucks, but at the same time it's the kind of thing I'd enjoy doing it. |
| 21:40.35 | Lone_Wanderer | I'll make you a deal - you write this model in CakePHP for me and I'll fix your DB. |
| 21:40.48 | utahcon | Lone_Wanderer: Deal! |
| 21:40.52 | utahcon | Models are easy :D |
| 21:41.16 | Lone_Wanderer | I probably just need to add a BeforeSomething, AfterSomething, etc. method |
| 21:41.19 | utahcon | going on 26 minutes for this ENABLE KEYS command :( |
| 21:41.39 | supernovia | ah. |
| 21:41.54 | Lone_Wanderer | but I want to make sure I'm Doing It Right, which means reading all the Model documentation first. |
| 21:42.21 | supernovia | Well, speaking of models. I've got to figure out how to draw a mario star using actionscript |
| 21:42.57 | mindjuju | load a gif and give it some flash animation?? |
| 21:43.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Have fun, if that's anything like doing it in geometry, drawing something five-pointed isn't easy. |
| 21:43.09 | mindjuju | that's how i'd do it! |
| 21:43.54 | supernovia | yeah, has to be vector drawn. I've got the star though so now I just have to add some eyes and pretty up the background gradient |
| 21:44.30 | supernovia | Yeah, my calculus enabled brother had to show me what I was doing. |
| 21:44.49 | justincarmony | thats impressive |
| 21:44.54 | justincarmony | I only draw in photoshop :P |
| 21:45.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I think the difficulty of making a five-pointed thing with a compass and straight edge is one of the (many) reasons that they were considered sacred way back when. |
| 21:47.04 | supernovia | well and mario stars don't even have a straight shot from one point to its opposite - its indents are less than 50% |
| 21:47.16 | Lone_Wanderer | even better |
| 21:47.18 | supernovia | so it looks nice and fat. took me all freakin night |
| 21:49.10 | herlo | supernovia: link? |
| 21:49.16 | supernovia | link? |
| 21:49.21 | justincarmony | OMG!!!! http://mashable.com/2010/01/21/bugatti-veyron-mouse/ |
| 21:49.22 | Lone_Wanderer | link? |
| 21:49.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah! |
| 21:56.02 | Dezertol | I must of missed something.. why is his show getting yanked? |
| 21:56.17 | Dezertol | I thought people liked it (tho.. I don't watch it) |
| 21:56.25 | justincarmony | Leno's early show is a flop |
| 21:56.34 | justincarmony | so instead of canceling Leno's flop of a new show |
| 21:56.35 | Dezertol | and? |
| 21:56.53 | Dezertol | they're moving him back and killing conans |
| 21:56.55 | justincarmony | they are canning Conan and moving Leno to his spot |
| 21:56.59 | Dezertol | lol |
| 21:57.01 | justincarmony | yup |
| 21:57.04 | Dezertol | weak |
| 21:57.07 | justincarmony | They are screwing Conan big time |
| 21:57.26 | Lone_Wanderer | NBC: Nothing But C***s. |
| 21:57.39 | Dezertol | if it's leno's show that took the dive.. then let leno get canned |
| 21:57.41 | justincarmony | all the families of the workers of the conan show moved to LA |
| 21:57.44 | justincarmony | only to get canned |
| 21:57.45 | Dezertol | that's just lame |
| 21:58.12 | unum | I don't like Conan |
| 21:58.16 | unum | so I' wont miss him |
| 21:58.19 | Dezertol | I don't either |
| 21:58.19 | unum | I do like leno |
| 21:58.31 | Dezertol | but.. if leno's show failed.. then let it fail |
| 21:58.42 | unum | but leno's show failed at 9:00pm |
| 21:58.51 | unum | it was doing better than conan's when it was at 10:35 pm |
| 21:59.24 | Dezertol | but wasn't it leno's idea to take the risk and do is own thing |
| 21:59.31 | unum | nope |
| 21:59.53 | unum | he was forced to agree to an early retirement years ago |
| 21:59.57 | unum | then he decided not to retire |
| 22:00.08 | Dezertol | umm.. |
| 22:00.25 | Dezertol | how can he be forced... |
| 22:00.30 | Dezertol | if he just decided not to |
| 22:00.38 | unum | ok forced is the wrong word |
| 22:00.42 | unum | he was encouraged to |
| 22:01.04 | unum | but my point is that he is more popular |
| 22:01.13 | unum | so if you have to fire one of them, why fire the more popular one |
| 22:01.24 | Dezertol | ya.. I know he's more popular ... |
| 22:01.32 | Dezertol | I've even watched him from time to time |
| 22:02.27 | Dezertol | I hate big corp -> http://www.hulu.com/watch/118169/the-corporation |
| 22:02.44 | unum | speaking of big corps have you heard a bout the ruling |
| 22:02.49 | unum | ah looks like it made /. |
| 22:02.50 | Dezertol | bet you didn't know IBM helped keep track of all the Jews that hitler slottered |
| 22:03.18 | Dezertol | which ruling? |
| 22:03.49 | Zelut | not to change the subject from Jews and Hitler, but I just finished reading a chapter on Output Buffering, and I'm not sure I understand when/why to use it. |
| 22:03.50 | justincarmony | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdGk3vc_5DI |
| 22:04.22 | unum | corps can now be directly involved in campaigns |
| 22:04.36 | Lone_Wanderer | I need better speakers for my computer, but it's a laptop so all I have is USB and a headphone jack to get stuff out. |
| 22:04.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Are there any good speakers that'll work? |
| 22:04.47 | unum | Zelut: your programming language handle that for you most of the time |
| 22:04.54 | Dezertol | Zelut can you give an example.. or maybe ask a question |
| 22:05.13 | unum | I usually only deal with it to turn it off..... |
| 22:05.48 | Zelut | This chapter talks about buffering or flushing output using functions like ob_start(), ob_end_flush(), etc. |
| 22:06.50 | mgeary | it allows you to "catch" what is/would normally be output to the browser |
| 22:06.51 | unum | ya I have to flush sometimes |
| 22:07.03 | Lone_Wanderer | so you can modify it first if you want to |
| 22:07.06 | unum | but usually only when doing echo checking.... |
| 22:07.13 | mgeary | it's fairly uncommon in a normal web app |
| 22:07.15 | Lone_Wanderer | you usually won't want to use it but |
| 22:07.16 | unum | other wise I don't worry about it |
| 22:07.19 | Lone_Wanderer | when you need it, you REALLY need it |
| 22:07.24 | Zelut | I guess the chapter didn't really outline any good examples of when/why to use it, only how to use it. |
| 22:07.41 | Zelut | so, while I am familiar with the syntax, I don't know when I'd ever use it in my scripts. |
| 22:08.07 | Dezertol | a good example (and when I use it most) is if for some reason during the script run I need to modify headers |
| 22:08.10 | Dezertol | or do a redirect |
| 22:08.30 | Dezertol | then I can clear the buffer and re-direct with out getting the "you have already sent output to the buffer" error |
| 22:09.03 | Dezertol | if you print anything to the screen |
| 22:09.13 | Dezertol | you can't do a header("Location: url"); |
| 22:09.15 | Dezertol | with out it crying |
| 22:09.30 | Dezertol | so you do clear the buffer before that to make it work with out the errors |
| 22:09.39 | mgeary | but if you encounter that, it suggests something of an app design flaw in the first place ;) |
| 22:09.51 | Dezertol | true |
| 22:10.22 | Dezertol | I've only ever used it a couple times on projects |
| 22:10.27 | Zelut | ok. so maybe don't really worry about it while just starting out? |
| 22:10.31 | Dezertol | but I used it a lot when I was trying to fix someone elses crap |
| 22:10.41 | Dezertol | ya.. you'll know when you need to use it |
| 22:10.57 | Dezertol | I've only ever needed it a couple times.. |
| 22:11.50 | Dezertol | you can also.. use it.. to render pages and save off the page |
| 22:12.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Zelut: Just keep in mind that you can do it. |
| 22:12.21 | Dezertol | like.. for example.. if you render a pdf doc or a word doc and don't want it to dump to the screen |
| 22:12.24 | Lone_Wanderer | When you need it, you'll know. |
| 22:12.37 | Dezertol | or if you want to cache rendered pages |
| 22:12.44 | Zelut | one example in the book was doing a database query, buffering the output, and storing it to a file instead of rendering it. |
| 22:12.53 | Dezertol | ya |
| 22:13.04 | Dezertol | caching the file |
| 22:13.22 | Zelut | ok. I'll just keep it in my back pocket for emergencies |
| 22:14.34 | Lone_Wanderer | I can't remember the number of times I've learned something and thought "Why the hell would I want to do THAT?" and then a year or more later I've got a problem that it ends up being perfect for. |
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| 22:18.33 | merrick | Hey guys, is there a better way to do something to the first item in a foreach loop different from the rest then a custom counter? |
| 22:19.09 | mgeary | foreach ($array as $offset => $value) |
| 22:19.17 | mgeary | if ($offset == 0) .... |
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| 22:19.44 | merrick | mgeary how would I do that for a key value array |
| 22:19.49 | mgeary | well |
| 22:19.49 | Dezertol | that would only work if your array is keyed like that |
| 22:19.58 | merrick | right so if its key value |
| 22:20.00 | mgeary | your premise there is that an associative array has an order |
| 22:20.07 | mgeary | which it technically shouldn't |
| 22:20.12 | merrick | mgeary false |
| 22:20.18 | mgeary | then it should work fine |
| 22:20.22 | mgeary | a simple array will work like that |
| 22:20.22 | merrick | mgeary false again |
| 22:20.34 | merrick | mgeary If I am compiling a where statement |
| 22:20.39 | merrick | the first item needs WHERE |
| 22:20.43 | merrick | and the other need OR WHERE |
| 22:20.58 | mgeary | ah, well you should have said so... there's a better way |
| 22:21.05 | Lone_Wanderer | ....unless things have changed since I last looked, associative arrays do not in fact have an explicit order. |
| 22:21.14 | merrick | mgeary: :) I would love to know it |
| 22:21.17 | Lone_Wanderer | They MIGHT, but relying on it to stay the same from time to time isn't guaranteed. |
| 22:21.36 | merrick | Lone_Wandere: Agreed |
| 22:21.38 | mgeary | Lone_Wanderer: correct, it's bad form. |
| 22:21.52 | merrick | mgeary: Whats the better way? Link? |
| 22:22.25 | merrick | and thank you very much |
| 22:22.26 | mgeary | merrick: well, if you can do "ANDs", then you can just have your SQL stub be "WHERE 1=1", and have each iteration be " AND {condition} " |
| 22:22.40 | mgeary | however, it appears you're doing ORs, so that may take some refinement |
| 22:22.55 | merrick | But if PHP is building my statement |
| 22:23.02 | merrick | I need the first to be where |
| 22:23.05 | merrick | and the others to and still |
| 22:23.14 | Dezertol | you could start with a blank string.. then do the if(empty($str)) on the first pass... |
| 22:23.21 | mgeary | "and the others to and still" ...? |
| 22:23.22 | Dezertol | then concat after the loop with your start line |
| 22:23.38 | merrick | Dezertol. Thats a great idea! Thank you! |
| 22:23.52 | mgeary | "where 1=0 " ... "OR {condition}".. " OR {condition} " |
| 22:28.17 | fungus | You can also use implode... |
| 22:28.43 | fungus | implode(' OR ', array('condition','condition','condition')) |
| 22:30.24 | fungus | eg. $query = "SELECT * FROM table WHERE " . implode(' OR ',$condition_array); |
| 22:30.46 | merrick | beautiful |
| 22:31.14 | fungus | but the other trick of concatenating iteratively works too. |
| 22:34.09 | fungus | though implode may have have a micro performance advantage to concatenation |
| 22:35.53 | mgeary | it's always nice if you can avoid a for loop |
| 22:38.37 | orsonj_ | In all the (not so many) tests I've done, if there is a builtin function to do what you want, it is always faster. |
| 22:39.23 | justincarmony | *sigh* apple couldn't make it easy for me today, of course not :P |
| 22:39.33 | mgeary | ? |
| 22:39.48 | justincarmony | apparenlty there is a problem upgrading from v2 of clipish to v3 |
| 22:39.52 | orsonj_ | for example I did something where I could use a regex to do it in one step, or I could do the same thing with just a few lines of php |
| 22:39.53 | justincarmony | trying to diagnose the problem |
| 22:40.06 | orsonj_ | even though regex is a pretty heavy function, it was still faster |
| 22:40.14 | justincarmony | fortunately, Apple has zero mechanisms for testing upgrades between app versions |
| 22:40.31 | justincarmony | because that functionality wouldn't be useful at ALL... |
| 22:40.57 | justincarmony | so when you release an update, you have to just hope it works |
| 22:41.03 | justincarmony | because thats what all smart developers do |
| 22:41.21 | justincarmony | they just shoot off updates w/o testings upgrades at all |
| 22:41.28 | justincarmony | Grrrr.... </rant> |
| 22:44.04 | mindjuju | i read the headline and thought, surely, it's the holy hand grenade of antioch - but alas, it wasn't |
| 22:44.05 | mindjuju | US Airways jet lands when religious item mistaken as bomb |
| 22:44.33 | mindjuju | it IS a bomb, but you must first pull the pin and count to 5 |
| 22:44.40 | mindjuju | no no, three! |
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| 22:46.56 | justincarmony_ | wow |
| 22:47.02 | justincarmony_ | I just realized I've been connected to an unsecure wifi spot this entire day |
| 22:47.07 | justincarmony_ | someone around here just set it up |
| 22:47.13 | justincarmony_ | probably an office below me |
| 22:47.43 | mindjuju | you hsould jump up and down and drop bricks on the floor to teach them a lesson |
| 22:48.07 | _psychic_ | nah just ping -b |
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| 22:49.42 | justincarmony_ | whats a good online xml syntax validator? |
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| 23:10.29 | mindjuju | 3 hours til uphpu meeting |
| 23:10.48 | DexterTheDragon | woot |
| 23:13.24 | mindjuju | i love this pic |
| 23:13.25 | mindjuju | http://i.imgur.com/4HYYb.png |
| 23:13.52 | mindjuju | i haven't put my finger on what it is, but it seems like after every patch, bing gets inserted into my IE search bar |
| 23:14.00 | mindjuju | sometimes taking default, other times no |
| 23:14.19 | mindjuju | i mean, sure, it could just be Lone_Wanderer hacking my box and switching it as a prank |
| 23:14.22 | mindjuju | but i don't think so |
| 23:14.33 | Lone_Wanderer | No, it is. |
| 23:14.38 | mindjuju | dag! |
| 23:14.43 | Lone_Wanderer | You caught me! |
| 23:28.47 | supernovia | ugh. |
| 23:28.57 | mindjuju | ugh? |
| 23:29.50 | wps | python job post to the PHP mailing list |
| 23:30.17 | wps | they must know that stderr is subscribed |
| 23:30.52 | supernovia | I hate fake sincere comment spam |
| 23:30.59 | stderr | or any number of UPHPU doubters who have converted to Python |
| 23:31.14 | mindjuju | stderr - that doesn't happen! |
| 23:31.25 | mindjuju | supernovia - on FB? |
| 23:31.26 | supernovia | "... After going over this information I'm very glad to say that I have finally found just what I was looking for. I will make sure to save this website and come back here regularly . Thanks!" |
| 23:32.20 | _psychic_ | I think a python job posting to uphpu is pretty appropriate hah |
| 23:32.21 | mindjuju | oh i don't know, them Novapages are filled with facts, facts i say! |
| 23:33.50 | supernovia | hehhe |
| 23:34.17 | supernovia | This one was just a link to Ethan's site, which is a collection of his favorite cat videos and some snowflakes he's created |
| 23:34.39 | mindjuju | just teasin', but that olive oil over bengay was a life saver |
| 23:34.46 | supernovia | lol |
| 23:34.48 | mindjuju | ah |
| 23:36.57 | Lone_Wanderer | man, how can it be so cold down here? |
| 23:37.07 | supernovia | where are you again Lone_Wanderer? |
| 23:37.25 | Lone_Wanderer | I in a basement in Orem |
| 23:37.27 | supernovia | Oh, hehe |
| 23:37.29 | Lone_Wanderer | maybe the heater is off? |
| 23:38.35 | macnewbold | ~meeting time |
| 23:38.36 | ibot | [meeting time] there's a UPHPU meeting tonight, including the meeting-after-the-meeting at the Draper Applebee's from about 9pm to 1am |
| 23:39.24 | supernovia | my apt (also a basement) is cold too. I wear jackets... all the time |
| 23:41.32 | Lone_Wanderer | now I'm wearing thermals, HUGE socks, an extra shirt, and a hat |
| 23:41.42 | Lone_Wanderer | if my feet remain cold I'm going to get unruly |
| 23:41.57 | mindjuju | try wooly socks |
| 23:42.24 | Lone_Wanderer | these aren't actual wool but they're pretty wool-like. |
| 23:42.35 | mindjuju | i'm curious, at some point, and i'm not sure what it was, the phenomena of chain letters started, was it when the pony expressed started, i don't know |
| 23:42.48 | mindjuju | but its curious that it has spread to facebook |
| 23:42.53 | supernovia | so annoying |
| 23:43.16 | mindjuju | i wonder if chain letters existed BEFORE the pony express |
| 23:43.21 | mindjuju | and if they did, what did it look like? |
| 23:44.09 | mindjuju | or maybe it's the other way, where with the advent of the pony express, peoples needs to retell legends and myths transformed into chain letters and into fb postings |
| 23:44.10 | supernovia | I *like* some of the people who have invited me to chains. Actually I like almost everyone alot unless they give me pretty good reason not to |
| 23:44.22 | supernovia | and chain letters aren't enough. but .. they are .. so .. annoying |
| 23:44.32 | supernovia | hehe mindjuju |
| 23:44.51 | herlo | supernovia: no, just on FB I ignore them |
| 23:44.55 | herlo | :D |
| 23:45.01 | supernovia | hehe |
| 23:45.04 | herlo | <_< |
| 23:45.06 | herlo | >_> |
| 23:46.00 | supernovia | people ignore me too I'm sure but I think it's because I talk too much without saying enough |
| 23:48.16 | mindjuju | somebody say something? |
| 23:48.24 | mindjuju | heh |
| 23:48.29 | mindjuju | k, must get back to work! |
| 23:48.31 | supernovia | hehe |
| 23:48.59 | Lone_Wanderer | a lot of people do that |
| 23:49.13 | Lone_Wanderer | talk a lot without saying much |
| 23:49.19 | Lone_Wanderer | you're in good company :) |
| 23:49.40 | Lone_Wanderer | In other news, my feet are warming up. I may just need to dress this ridiculously every day. |
| 23:50.37 | supernovia | I just realized I'm warm, and I shouldn't be. Maybe the houseguest upstairs just likes the heater cranked up |
| 23:51.26 | DexterTheDragon | did the water just get warmer? |
| 23:51.43 | supernovia | hehe |
| 23:57.06 | herlo | supernovia: you don't talk too much there |
| 23:58.21 | supernovia | I do ignore those unless my friends have flat out asked me in person to participate |
| 23:58.38 | unum | I was asked by a few people in person to participate |
| 23:59.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Please don't ever ask me to play a FB game with you. |
| 23:59.57 | Lone_Wanderer | I will decline. It might be awkward. |
