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00:00.09SunSparc:)
00:00.10stderrSunSparc: (as well as a collapsible baton and a LMF II)
00:00.12wpsyou guys see that dude that got sunglasses tatooed onto his face?
00:00.23stderrwps: haha what
00:00.37wpshttp://thejailbreak.com/2010/01/13/ray-ban-convinces-man-to-get-sunglasses-tattoo-for-never-hide-campaign/
00:00.59SunSparcstderr: lol
00:01.12wpswonder what that girl promised him
00:01.15stderrI wear my sunglasses aaat night
00:01.36SunSparcI bet that hurt
00:01.47SunSparcThen again, looks like he is no stranger to tats.
00:01.49wpswhat'll really hurt is waking up next week and realizing what he just did
00:02.33stderrface is less painful than, say, ribs / top of the foot
00:02.44stderr(or so I've been told, I get a lot of tats, but not on my damn face)
00:04.28wpsI feel so bad for conan
00:04.48wpsI don't think he's very funny… but he just got royally screwed
00:06.30SunSparcFunny or not, he is more entertaining than Leno.
00:06.41SunSparcThe only thing Leno did that I liked was his Jay Walk.
00:07.54unumI like Jay a lot better
00:10.57stderrMan I think Conan is one of the funniest talk show hosts ever
00:21.02SunSparcNight all.
00:37.07mgearystderr: hey, come over to #utahpython
00:43.12mgearymindjuju: how come you don't hang out in #utahpython when you're hosting the UG?
00:45.31mindjujuk, i'm there now
00:45.52mindjujui want to learn python but they haven't done any beginner topics
00:45.54mindjuju:(
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01:03.25supernoviawoo
01:15.31influxwooo
01:15.56supernoviahow are things, influx?
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01:43.42supernoviaahwell. spakoina
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02:20.40DexterTheDragon~lart utahcon
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02:28.40macnewboldhehe
02:31.46utahcondoohickey
02:31.47utahconnice
02:41.17wpsI have a class that is including a file
02:41.26wpsI don't want the contents of the file to be local to the class though
02:41.40wpsis there a way to include it and get it outside the scope of the class?
02:42.00stderrhttp://www.calendaraboutnothing.com/
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02:45.34utahcon~lart DexterTheDragon
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03:07.16trevynmAnyone know if a jQuery or PHP UI for scheduling a Cron Entry?
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03:08.34justincarmonyjosephscott: you've been working in the evenings more often it seems :P
03:08.55josephscottkids go to bed, bring the laptop upstairs and hack on a few things
03:09.47trevynmjustincarmony: I need to store schedules and I figured storring in cron format, and offering a web based UI for managing the schedule
03:10.01trevynmdo you know of a better way to store repeating schedules?
03:10.14justincarmonyhrm, I've never done anything like that before
03:11.44trevynmhttp://www.htmlbasix.com/crontab.shtml
03:11.50trevynmhere is one.
03:13.48trevynmhttp://www.evpnet.com/crontab.html
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04:20.23thinbeginoi....
04:21.27thinbeginsuggestions on some broad "imposter login attempts" metrics?
04:22.21thinbeginsome broad [maybe ip based] reporting to try to heuristically determine [broadly] whether a particular ip is trying to "guess" a stie's login credentials?
04:22.39thinbeginor similar
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04:25.33thinbeginbye
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04:26.36mindjujuyou around wps?
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16:32.33SunSparc~seen mindjuju
16:32.35ibotmindjuju <n=mindjuju@mail.billgood.us> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 12h 5m 59s ago, saying: 'you around wps?'.
16:37.39stderruuuuuugggggh
16:45.40utahconagreed
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16:50.00SunSparcyyaaaaawwwwwnnn
17:04.16orsonjI have fun poking my kid's yawn
17:04.48SunSparcBetter watch out, you could lose a finger.
17:05.56wpsfunny… I have the same urges. My wife hates it.
17:06.23SunSparcPerhaps you are both lion trainers at heart.
17:06.30wpsthere's just something about am open O mouth that calls for a finger to be poked in it
17:06.53wpsI sure home I can make some good progress today
17:07.25wpsgot myself in a dead end yesterday and had to spend most of the day backing out a bunch of code I had written and taking an entirely different approach :(
17:09.35SunSparcI hate it when that happens.
17:12.29wpsParse error: syntax error, unexpected $end === 'you suck'
17:16.34orsonjso, you have that in your code and happened to have a typo on the line above
17:16.58orsonjor are you translating the error into human
17:20.59wpstranslating the error into human :)
17:21.15wpsforgot a closing bracket
17:38.50SunSparc~poke mgeary
17:38.51ibotACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind mgeary, pokes mgeary repeatedly, hilarity ensues.
17:46.58justincarmonyLOL, this twitter account reminds me of an old neighbor of mine: http://twitter.com/shitmydadsays
17:50.51utahconI love working with other developers... I just wish they would remember they work with others too
17:51.02utahconsometimes their code does not lend well to expansion
17:52.53josephscottutahcon: then you would be robbed of the joy of discovery ;-)
18:08.43utahconI'd rather not have to shoehorn code
18:09.37utahconeven more so when it is javascript
18:27.45wpsin regex, {2} matches length of 2
18:27.53wps{2,4} matches a range between 2 and 4
18:28.00wpsis there a way to match 2 or more?
18:28.35josephscott{2,}
18:28.50wpsthanks
18:42.16wpsin this expression…
18:42.17wps^(?=.*\d)(?=.*[a-z])(?=.*[A-Z]).{4,8}$
18:42.32wps…what's the ?= syntax?
18:42.41wpsI've never seen that before and it's not on my cheatsheet
18:43.25SunSparcIs the = a literal?
18:43.32wpsno
18:44.04SunSparcI have not seen that either.
18:44.22josephscottI think that is conditional look ahead, I'd need to double check
18:44.54DexterTheDragonyeah its a lookahead. can't tell ya much more beyond that
18:45.17josephscotthttp://us.php.net/manual/en/regexp.reference.conditional.php
18:45.28SunSparcAh, it is lookahead
18:46.02wpsthat expression is supposed to require at least 1 number, on lowercase letter, and one uppercase letter, no more than 8 and no less than 4
18:46.04josephscottoh, and if you ever want to melt your brain, read the master regex book from orielly
18:46.28justincarmonylol
18:46.31SunSparcjosephscott: Yeah, that is the book I have.  Great book.
18:46.58SunSparcEspecially the final pattern that is a page long.
18:47.05josephscottI've got the first edition, I think there are new editions now
18:47.11wpsso a lookahead is a terniary operator?
18:47.14josephscottSunSparc: definitely!
18:48.20mgearyokay, i need some apache config help. i need apache to check the referrer and do a redirect based on what it finds
18:48.44josephscottmod_rewrite, more regex foo :-)
18:50.25josephscottmgeary: something like this?  http://www.easymodrewrite.com/example-hotlinking
18:50.58mgearyyeah, thanks
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19:06.53justincarmonythey've changed the PHP documentation a little bit
19:07.01mindjujui'm back
19:07.27josephscottjustincarmony: yeah, it's more broken up now, I find it more work to navigate than before
19:07.37justincarmonyyeah, me too
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19:10.28mgearyis there a way i can have apache output a debug statement somehow?
19:11.03macnewboldfrom php, i usually use error_log
19:11.10mgeary*apache*
19:11.11mgearynot php
19:11.17macnewboldor depending what you mean by apache outputting it, echo
19:11.22macnewboldexplain?
19:11.31macnewboldwhat kind of debug statement do you mean?
19:11.32mgearyi've been asked if we can detect if the referrer to a page, and if the referrer contains a certain string, redirect to site B rather than site A
19:11.40macnewboldah
19:11.42mgearyso i'm trying to play with some testing
19:11.45macnewboldyou might look into the redirect log settings
19:11.51mgearyi want apache to output the referrer
19:12.00mgearyso i can inspect
19:12.07macnewboldi think redirect log can do that
19:12.08mgearyi tried this:
19:12.08mgearyRewriteRule ^((.*)$) http://%{HTTP_REFERRER} [L]
19:12.17mgearybut that doesn't seem to do it
19:12.25macnewboldor you can check your usual apache logs - if they used combined format, it will have the referrer in it already
19:13.38josephscottmgeary: you could also do the redirect at the PHP level, may provide more flexability
19:13.42utahconjustincarmony, josephscott: what documentation? on php.net?
19:13.49mgearyjosephscott: i can't in this context
19:13.50justincarmonyyeah
19:13.55justincarmonyutahcon: yes
19:13.55josephscottutahcon: yep
19:14.07utahconodd.. all looks the same to me
19:14.59josephscottit's been awhile since they changed it, still annoying though
19:15.08utahconah, ok.
19:15.28utahconWas going to say I noticed they added collaspable elements... but other than that it is mostly the same
19:15.28josephscottmgeary: then you'll have to make due with what Apache gives you then
19:19.49macnewboldmgeary: do your regular access logs use combined format? they'd already include the referrer on these requests
19:20.02macnewboldand I think the redirect log will have some level that gives you enough detaul
19:23.58Lone_Wanderermindjuju: ping
19:26.31stderrmgeary: referer based deflectors
19:29.31mgearyyeah, any tips on how to check if a referrer contains a certain string?
19:38.48wpswow… bomb threat at lehi high school
19:38.54wpsI-15 ramps closed
19:39.10Lone_Wandererdamn
19:39.13Lone_WandererI mean
19:39.13Lone_Wandererdang
19:40.16Lone_WandererIt's probably some idiot teenager who wanted to get out of school
19:40.39wpsyeah
19:40.44wpsburning up tax dollars
19:40.51Lone_Wandererand who's going to be a convicted felon at the age of 16 or 17
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19:51.23mgearyyou know... if we had today's environment when i was in high school, i'd have gotten into a lot of trouble
19:51.40mgearyi was a chemistry buff in high school. turns out mixing explosives/combustables is pretty easy, once you get the hang of it
19:51.40Lone_WandererSame here.
19:51.44Lone_WandererOh wait, I DID get in a lot of trouble.
19:52.33mgearyi had access to red phosphorus, potassium permanganate, perchlorates, powdered aluminum... you can make some pretty interesting things with that
19:52.40Lone_Wanderer..really?  /pm mgeary So how can I make high explosives from home cleaning products?
19:52.47Lone_Wandererholy crap
19:52.56Lone_WandererI'm guessing they don't have those in high school chemistry any more.
19:53.05mgearywasn't in the school
19:53.10mgearythere was a chemical supply shop
19:53.18Lone_WandererYou can still buy powdered aluminum and iron oxide locally.
19:53.19Lone_WandererFun times.
19:53.31mgearyturns out they'd sell pretty much anything to anyone. They got busted in a sting op for selling ingredients to make drugs
19:53.37Lone_Wandererd'oh
19:53.39Lone_Wandererso are they gone now?
19:53.44mgearyyears and years ago
19:53.52mgearythis was back in, like, '88
19:53.54Lone_Wandererah ok
19:54.17mgearyi made mercury fulminate, flash powder...
19:54.42mgearychemical-based fuses (look ma, no matches)
19:54.49mgearywas a lot of fun
19:54.53Lone_Wandererthat would be fun
19:54.55mgearyand i still have all my fingers and eyebrows
19:54.58Lone_WandererI've always wanted to blow something up.
19:55.07mgearyi never actually blew any *thing* up
19:55.07Lone_WandererAnd you're a responsible citizen today.
19:55.17Lone_WandererYou never made something specifically to blow it up?
19:55.31mgearythere's (at least) 2 kinds of explosions: there's the "moving explosion", and the "sharp bangy explosion"
19:55.49wpswhat are your thoughts on password strength?
19:55.54mgearyfor example, you look at ammonium nitrate. You can't burn it and do any damage. It takes a significant kick to get it to go boom
19:56.16wpsworth frustrating users by requiring them to have a mix of uppers/lowers and a number?
19:56.20mgearyand when it does go boom, it's a "moving" explosion. The stuff i played with was more the flash/bang stuff
19:56.26Lone_Wanderer"moving"?
19:56.37mgearyLone_Wanderer: yeah, there's a technical term that i've forgotten
19:56.38wpsgoogle doesn't? my gmail password is a string of five lowercase letters
19:56.45Lone_WandererBut what does it mean?
19:56.47wpss/?/./
19:57.03mgearyLone_Wanderer: basically that it does a lot of damage ;)
19:57.07Lone_Wandererah ok
19:57.11Lone_Wandererso you just did the little pops
19:57.23Lone_Wandererwhat kind is an M80?
19:57.26mgearyi did flash-bang kind of stuff. It'd still take your hand off easily if you weren't careful
19:58.13mgearyan m80 would be flash-bang. It gets its force from being confined
19:58.31Lone_WandererAlso, can you explain how hydrostatic shock works?
19:58.50mgearynope. don't know a thing about it
19:58.55Lone_WandererApparently if you take det cord and put it on top of IV bags you can blow open a door that the det cord itself wouldn't open.
19:59.20Lone_WandererWell, wikipedia isn't far away.
20:02.40mgearyokay, so i still need help on this apache deal
20:02.41mgearyhttp://dpaste.com/145764/
20:03.14SunSparcPHP can do it.
20:03.17mgearythat snippet is intended to check the referrer for the string "monkey" anywhere, and if found, redirect the user away, but if the string isn't found, it should serve up the site normally
20:03.22mgearySunSparc: can't use php in this context
20:03.26mgearyit's got to be done at the vhost level
20:03.41SunSparcHmm...
20:03.41Lone_WandererApparently hydrostatic shock primarily applies to living things.
20:04.20mgearystderr: help!
20:07.05SunSparcmgeary: So, I just got back from soccer.  You need to check the referrer and redirect accordingly?
20:07.12mgearyyep
20:07.34SunSparcbased on just the domain name of the referrer?
20:07.38mgearyno
20:07.40mgearythe entire referrer
20:07.50SunSparcOh
20:08.11mgearyfor example, if you came here from a google search, i'd want to check to see if your search term was "monkey"
20:08.59SunSparcSo, would you be ok if "monkey" was anywhere in the referrer?
20:09.06mgearyyep
20:10.14wpsLone_Wanderer: unconfirmed reports that a 16 year old boy has been taken into custody
20:12.17SunSparcmgeary: do you need the ? in there as a literal?
20:12.21mgearyno
20:12.55SunSparcwhy are you using it in conjunction with *
20:13.08mgearyjust trying to find the search term anywhere in the referrer
20:13.17SunSparctry leaving it out
20:13.21mgeary*? means non-greedy
20:13.30mgearyalready tried without
20:14.03SunSparcYour results thus far are always non-matches, right?
20:14.11mgearyyep
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20:15.48SunSparcmgeary: what if you just do RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERRER} * do see if anything is happening there.
20:15.55SunSparcOr RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERRER} ^$
20:16.46mgearynope. can't get it to make a match :/
20:17.50SunSparcwth?
20:18.03SunSparcAs if it is not even seeing your rewrite stuff.
20:18.05Lone_Wandererwps: and no bomb, right?
20:18.09mgearyhrm
20:18.27SunSparcmgeary: I wonder if you put a parse error in it
20:18.33mgearypossibly so
20:18.36SunSparcJust to see if it dies
20:18.44SunSparcI mean do it on purpose
20:19.02mgearyoh, yeah
20:19.15mgearybut actually, it appears that (at least) my rewrite is
20:19.17mgearyborked
20:19.32Lone_Wandererthat's interesting
20:19.39Lone_WandererI thought I was the only person who said "borked"
20:21.24wpsha ha ha: "Skywalkers in Korea Cross Han Solo"
20:21.26wpshttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/03/AR2007050300374.html?referrer=emailarticle
20:22.10Lone_Wanderer....that's horrible
20:22.14Lone_Wandererin a really awesome way
20:22.41Lone_Wandererwps: are you still working for Media Rain?
20:22.41wpswhoa… no
20:22.41wpsthat was years ago
20:22.41Lone_Wandererk
20:22.41Lone_Wandererwhat are you up to these days?
20:22.49wpsthat was four jobs ago
20:22.51wps:)
20:22.59Lone_Wandererman
20:23.02Lone_WandererI was gone for a while
20:23.22wpsI work for the LDS Church presently
20:23.41Lone_Wandererah cool
20:24.45SunSparcby the way, Media Rain is not Media Rain anymore.  It is just Rain.
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20:27.26Lone_WandererOh, that's right.
20:27.44Lone_WandererI wonder what good old Curtis is up to these days.
20:28.12Lone_WandererI keep hoping I'll run into him again so I can say "So, Mr. Morely, we meet again...."
20:28.43SunSparcI have never met the guy.
20:28.44Lone_WandererThen puff ominously on my pipe, or stroke my white persian cat, or turn slowly around in my large armchair.
20:28.53SunSparclol
20:28.56wps<PROTECTED>
20:29.03wpscurrently: Chief Innovation Strategist at GlobalBased Technology
20:29.23SunSparcI hear he is a nice guy when he is not anywhere near anything called "business".
20:29.24Lone_Wanderercool
20:29.36mgearywps: no, he's not
20:29.43mgearyhe left GB about 2 weeks ago
20:29.43wpsoh?
20:29.47wpsah
20:29.53wpshe hasn't updated his linkedin profile
20:30.01Lone_WandererHe was almost always very nice to me.
20:30.06mgearyi emailed him asking what he's up to now, but haven't heard
20:30.16SunSparcLone_Wanderer: almost?
20:30.22mgearyheh. I recall when it was CMI, and they were in the back of that old pink building in the Provo riverbottoms
20:31.18Lone_WandererCMI?
20:32.06mgearyCurtis Morley Interactive
20:32.15SunSparclol
20:33.08Lone_Wandererah
20:39.07wpsI wish "containing," "numbers," and "letters" where such long words
20:39.17Lone_Wandererhttp://www.webdevelopmentutah.com/ - this site always kind of irks me
20:39.19wpss/were/weren't/
20:39.32Lone_Wandererwhere'd you go mindjuju?
20:40.03mindjujuAroma something
20:40.21Lone_WandererAlways Ready to Offer More Assistance? XD
20:40.47mgearyLone_Wanderer: you mean because that domain is owned by MWI, who happens to be the first listing on the site?
20:40.58Lone_Wandereryeah
20:41.00mgeary"listed in no particular order", suuuuuuuure
20:41.30Lone_Wandererbut they happen to have accidentally provided a pretty decent resource for a project I'm undertaking so I'll take them for what they're worth
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20:45.03wpsa friend just asked me about the groups I run
20:45.10wpsasked how successful they are
20:45.16wpsand if they make me any money
20:45.19wpsha ha ha
20:45.30wpsI don't think he understands what a user group is
20:45.49mgearyheh
20:46.16SunSparcLone_Wanderer: Yeah, I remember Aroma.  Weird name.
20:46.34unumsome people don't understand why you would spend time doing something where you didn't make money
20:46.47Lone_Wandererunum: I just quit a job full of people like that.
20:46.56Lone_WandererLearned a lot though.
20:47.21unumI had a friend ask me "I know it's a non-profit but are you going to make a bunch of money being on the board"
20:47.23josephscottLone_Wanderer: http://www.webdevelopmentutah.com/ looks like spam/ad site at first glance
20:47.43josephscottuser groups have "boards"?
20:47.57unumif they are registered non-profit
20:47.58unums
20:48.08unumbut in this case I'm not talking about a user group
20:48.20unumbut an actual nonprofit
20:48.21Lone_WandererThat's because it pretty much is, josephscott
20:48.38wpswebdevelopmentutah.com exists purely do drive traffic to MWI
20:48.45Lone_Wandererwhat board do you sit on, unum?
20:48.51wpsit's not an independent review
20:48.54Lone_Wandererboard(s)*
20:48.58unumthe electroregeneration society
20:49.03unumjust the one
20:49.09Lone_Wandererso like, perpetual motion machines?
20:49.11josephscottthey didn't even try to hide that the site is run by MWI - http://whois.domaintools.com/webdevelopmentutah.com
20:49.22Lone_Wandererif you read the first little blurb it says...
20:49.34Lone_WandererWeb Development Utah is a listing of web development firms in Utah. We also run Utah Web Design Firms, Utah Internet Marketing, California Web Design Firms, and Utah Advertising Agency. And yes, this site is run by the folks over at Utah SEO firm MWI, and no, we are not objective and yes, this site is a conflict of interest.
20:49.44unumit's a computer reuse/recycling group set by pete ashdown
20:49.49Lone_Wandereroh cool
20:49.51josephscottah, MWI is an "SEO" firm, that pretty much explains the whole thing
20:50.32josephscottthey hope to get more attention by polluting the web with sites that link to them
20:50.39Lone_Wandereryeah
20:51.00josephscottoi!  just looked at http://www.utahwebdesignfirms.com/ this whole thing is spam
20:51.46SunSparcSpam, Spam, Spam eggs, and Spam
20:51.56josephscott"Why do we maintain this site? Partly as an experiment in search engine marketing, partly for fun, partly for shameless self-promotion, and partly as a service to the community."
20:52.13josephscottuh, yeah, they forgot to list, 'because we want to pee in the pool'
20:52.21wpsha ha
20:53.00Lone_Wandererokay, http://www.axis41.com/ is an annoying site
20:54.39mgeary~feed mgeary
20:54.40ibotACTION offers mgeary some pizza
20:54.50mgearynah, something else, please
20:55.17josephscottthe flash movie is neat, but using as your front page is a horrible idea
20:55.19SunSparc~cookie mgeary
20:55.32Lone_Wandererand it repeats endlessly
20:55.52Lone_Wandererand having basically four things to click on (none of which I actually want) is irritating
20:55.52Lone_Wandererwhatever
20:56.18josephscotttheir blog looks like it is powered by something familiar though :-)
20:56.21mgearyhah. anyone here remember when yougop.com first launched and created such a stir?
20:56.31Lone_WandererWhat was it?
20:56.34Lone_Wanderer(I obviously don't.)
20:56.36mgearyan All flash site
20:56.39Lone_Wandererahh
20:56.45mgearyit was a bunch of turning gears that zoomed in
20:56.51mgearythis was back in 1998
20:56.59Lone_Wandererholy crap
20:57.04Lone_Wandererthe internet existed in 98?
20:57.08Lone_Wanderersuddenly I don't feel so old
20:57.09SunSparclol
20:57.16Lone_Wanderermgeary is my new favorite UPHPUer
20:57.22mgeary'cause i'm old?
20:57.32Lone_Wandereroh wait, that's the first year I got online
20:57.32Lone_Wanderernever mind
20:57.33mindjujuthat mgeary, he IS pretty cool
20:57.36Lone_WandererI logged into my first MUD in 98
20:57.40josephscottI worked with a designer in who wanted to move everything to flash around that time (97/98(
20:57.40mindjuju~mgeary
20:57.41iboti heard mgeary is Michael Geary, residing in Provo and working in Orem. a Flash Weenie.  NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127, or a person who does not believe vinegar is a condiment
20:57.41Lone_Wandereryeah, because you're ancient ;)
20:57.56SunSparcVinegar is an excellent condiment
20:58.00wpsa flash weenie :)
20:58.03Lone_WandererVinegar can be a condiment.
20:58.11Lone_WandererDid you talk him down from the ledge, josephscott?
20:58.12josephscottfortunately we talked her out of that
20:58.26mindjujuwait wait,don't get mgeary all fired up about vinegar
20:58.37Lone_Wandererno, I want to hear it
20:58.45wpstake this outside
20:58.53Lone_Wandereris it that bad?
20:59.36SunSparc~vinegar
20:59.36ibotextra, extra, read all about it, vinegar is not a condiment
20:59.41SunSparclol
20:59.53Lone_Wandererman
20:59.55SunSparcibot, vinegar is actually a condiment
20:59.56ibot...but vinegar is already something else...
20:59.59Lone_Wanderertoday is one of those days
21:00.01SunSparc:)
21:00.20Lone_Wandereribot, vinegar is also perfectly acceptable for use as a condiment under certain unusual circumstances
21:00.21ibotLone_Wanderer: okay
21:00.25Lone_Wanderer~vinegar
21:00.26ibotvinegar is, like, not a condiment, or perfectly acceptable for use as a condiment under certain unusual circumstances
21:00.37mgearyibot: make up your mind
21:00.38ibotmake: *** No rule to make target `up your mind'.  Stop.
21:00.46mgearyand by the way, i didn't set that factoid
21:00.47SunSparclol
21:00.54SunSparcSuuuuure.
21:01.01Lone_WandererI think I'm going to go buy coconut juice and coffee.
21:01.05mgearyi don't use the "like" like that
21:01.15mgearyi'm not a valley girl
21:01.21Lone_WandererDoes anyone know anything about the company "Bright Builders"?  http://www.brightbuilders.com/about_us.html
21:01.25Lone_WandererI think ibot does that on his own
21:01.36mgearyLone_Wanderer: i hear they were started in 1998 by a visionary
21:01.50Lone_Wandererlike he stores "is not a condiment" and then sticks his own random string in front of it
21:02.04Lone_WandererAre they headquartered in Utah?
21:02.16Lone_WandererOr are they fiendish devils who just pretend to be located in our glorious state?
21:02.56Lone_WandererOh.  You just pulled that off of their "about" page.
21:03.05Lone_Wanderer...I've been had!
21:03.11wpswhat's with the line of smiling stock people overlaid a photo of the capital rotunda?
21:03.34Lone_WandererI wish they'd done it in real life instead of with photoshop
21:04.07wpsmission impossible-style with a photographer laying on the ground below?
21:04.19Lone_Wandereryeah
21:04.44Lone_WandererAnd then they'd all have to smile like that while suspended in midair.
21:04.48mindjujuhave ya'll seen these slams against Jay Leno?  I have to admit, i stopped watching the tonight show when carson left, but these are painful to watch
21:04.48mindjujuhttp://whatssofunny.yahoo.com/
21:04.52Lone_WandererFor some reason the thought of that amuses me.
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21:10.14Lone_WandererSo did Leno get kicked off the tonight show?
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21:11.14mindjujuLone_Wanderer, my understanding is that jay leno went to prmie time, but his show didn't do that well
21:11.20Lone_Wandererahh
21:11.23mindjujuwhen leno went prime time, conan took his spot
21:11.50mindjujubut then Leno show was doing so badly, they wanted to push him to the same time conan's show was
21:12.06Lone_Wandererand Conan was like "No thanks, I rock"?
21:12.09mindjujuand that pissed off conan, and that other guy i don't know who he is
21:12.20mindjujuyeah pretty much
21:12.36Lone_WandererIf I were Jay I think I'd just take my cars and go home
21:12.45Lone_Wanderermaybe to a cheaper neighborhood
21:12.53Lone_Wandererbut still
21:13.07mindjujuwell, i think they are all crazy wealthy
21:13.21SunSparcJust not my neighborhood, please.
21:13.38mindjujui heard something crazy like that in this event, NBC owns conan 50 mil for breach of contract or something
21:13.46mindjujuidon't know if iti s true, but i heard that somewhere
21:14.10SunSparcpocket change
21:14.11mindjujua man could buy quite a bit of pie for $50 mil
21:14.33SunSparcYou could probably by, The Pie, for that.
21:16.10utahconI think the owners of The Pie would be retarded to not take $50mil
21:16.42SunSparcI would take it.
21:17.03utahconmindjuju: the contract stated that if Conan didn't get to host The Tonight Show he would get something like $45M
21:17.23utahconhowever, I don't think they owe anything now that he has hosted for 7 months.
21:17.32mindjujuah
21:17.40mindjujui'm not much on late night shows
21:17.47utahconand when you think about it, who has more lawyer monies... NBC or one of them employees?
21:18.06utahconI don't watch TV except Food Network... Giada is hot!
21:18.28mindjujuthe high school prom queen just showed up as an FB suggestion
21:18.46wpswow, utahcon, she is hot
21:19.12mindjujuhistorical irony -- when we were in elementary, she kissed me and i ran around the playground wiping it off and trying to find water because
21:19.18utahconwps: I wasn't kidding
21:19.20mindjujuwe all knew she ate her boogers
21:19.35utahconmindjuju: lol
21:19.36mindjujuthen almost 12 years later, bam, she's the prom queen
21:19.44utahconboogers do a body good
21:19.45utahcon:d
21:19.50SunSparc~gross
21:19.55mindjujuman, maybe i shouldn't have spurnned her love
21:20.07SunSparcmindjuju: offer her some boogers
21:20.10utahconmindjuju: you got a good wife
21:20.21mindjujutrue that, i gots the best wife
21:20.25mindjujui was just trying to be funny
21:20.52Lone_Wanderermindjuju: that happened to EVERYONE at my high school
21:20.57mindjujushe's very tolerate towards work + college + freelance + UTOS / UPHPU / Utahpython
21:21.06Lone_WandererI forget the girl's name but in grade school she was seriously overweight
21:21.20Lone_WandererI wasn't there for Jr. High or most of high school, but when I got back, holy crap she was good looking
21:21.40Lone_Wanderereveryone in grade school made fun of her for being overweight
21:21.42utahconlol I have an opposite story
21:21.50utahconI dated this girl for years... she was uber hot.
21:21.57utahconthen one day... wild hair... I broke up with her
21:22.05utahconran into her years later... I dodged a bullet :D
21:22.08orsonjhttp://www.brightbuilders.com/  (going back to this site again) What are the laptops that guy is holding?
21:22.14Lone_WandererSame with my first fiancee, utahcon.
21:22.24mindjujuutahcon, that's an awesome story
21:22.27Lone_WandererI dunno but they're ANCIENT
21:22.31utahconorsonj: the one of the right is ancient!
21:22.34Lone_WandererWell the one on our right, his left.
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21:23.01mindjujuorsonj, those are ibm thinkpads
21:23.13mindjujuthey have the red tipped mice that the ibm thinkpads have
21:23.19utahconmindjuju: I have hundreds of ex-girlfriend stories
21:23.23utahconI should open a site...
21:23.29utahconmaybe with story verification
21:23.30utahconlol
21:23.35mindjujuby the way, sitting there like that, he has kind of a nap dynamite look to him
21:23.53mindjujuutahcon, you should
21:23.56mindjujuthat be blogworthy
21:24.03mindjujucall it, bullets that i dodged
21:24.04utahconyou have to submit your story... with your phone number, the number of the ex, and the number a friend who can verify... I call all and any stories that work out get posted :D
21:24.21mindjujuand get somebody to do a flash movie of you doing the matrix bullet dodge seen
21:24.27utahconlol
21:24.29utahconthat would be dope
21:25.14mindjujui myself am getting ready to call it a day
21:25.31utahconI have 1 more hour... per my self imposed hour requirement
21:25.56Lone_WandererI love http://www.byfarrthebest.com/about - "This is an example of a WordPress page, you could edit this to put information...."
21:25.59utahconalthough I am becoming less and less interested in staying that long... so ... I might bounce early style.
21:26.28utahconLone_Wanderer: they are detail oriented
21:26.35Lone_WandererClearly!
21:26.41Lone_Wandererhmm
21:26.51Lone_WandererI either need to cancel my date, or move it to tonight or next weekend.
21:27.14Lone_WandererOr not hang out with my friends.  (This is the least preferably option.)
21:27.36utahcondating is preparation for marriage... when you don't get to have friends
21:27.44Lone_WandererNot with this girl it isn't.
21:27.54utahconnot prep for marriagE?
21:27.56Lone_WandererI should call it a friendly outing.  It's not a date.
21:28.04utahconwell that is differnet
21:28.11utahconit is getting cold in my office
21:28.16Lone_WandererI don't know that this has been made abundantly clear to her.
21:28.22Lone_Wanderer>.>
21:28.29Lone_WandererIt's always cold here.
21:29.09utahconLone_Wanderer: I have this covered... go buy her a present... a copy of a book... you simply change 1 word on the cover "I'm not That Into You"
21:29.27Lone_WandererXD
21:29.39utahconor you can drop her off at the wrong house
21:29.40Lone_WandererJust get a post-it note.
21:29.45utahconthat usually gets the message across
21:30.14SunSparcBetter yet, just text her.
21:30.14Lone_WandererI think I'm going to go to the book store with a post-it note that says "I'm" on it, in permanent marker
21:30.27Lone_Wandererthen get a picture of it on that book
21:31.05utahcononce at the end of a date I pulled into the driveway, chatted... made out with the girl... then said "goodnight" -- she looked at me blankly " I live two doors down" she said. -- I insisted she walk, she never answered my calls.
21:31.36Lone_Wanderer...maybe making her walk wasn't the best move
21:31.39Lone_Wandererif you wanted to keep kissing her
21:31.40utahconmeh
21:32.00utahconif she can't walk two houses over... I don't want to be seen with her :P
21:32.07SunSparclol
21:32.20SunSparcYou were doing her a favor.  Everyone should get more exercise.
21:32.24utahconit is amazing I ever got a woman to marry me... twice even
21:32.42SunSparcA woman married you twice?
21:32.49utahcontwo women... once each
21:32.52utahconso far
21:33.39Lone_Wanderernever been married but I've been engaged three times.
21:33.47Lone_WandererIt's about time for number four.
21:33.55utahcon<facepalm?>
21:35.20SunSparclol
21:35.29SunSparcheartbreak city
21:36.11Lone_Wandereroh man
21:36.12Lone_Wandererhttp://jeremynicoll.com/
21:36.15Lone_WandererI don't even have anything to say
21:36.41utahconI once ran into a girl I dated... she was dang good looking, maybe better than when I left her, and she wanted to meet... I thought sweet second chance. I showed up to the meeting in my nicest shorts and polo shirt... ready to impress... she introduced me to her husband :(
21:36.59Lone_Wandererd'oh
21:37.13utahconsadly that has happened to me more than once
21:40.10wpsLone_Wanderer: do you know mr. nicoll?
21:40.18Lone_WandererI do not.
21:40.22Lone_WandererDo you?
21:40.25wpswhere'd you find that site?
21:40.25wpsnope
21:40.38Lone_WandererI'm going down all the sites listed on webdevutah
21:40.41wpsah
21:41.06wpsoh my
21:41.09wpslook at his twitter page
21:41.10wpshttp://twitter.com/eltiare
21:41.31Lone_WandererI want to personally meet with someone from every web development company in SL and Utah Valley before May
21:41.50Lone_WandererWow, maybe he really is a secret agent.
21:42.43utahconwhy may
21:43.03mgearyLone_Wanderer: i'm going to intentionally dodge you just so you miss your goal
21:43.19Lone_WandererI can't say why
21:43.29utahconworld domination is allowed
21:43.33Lone_Wandererno
21:43.39Lone_Wandererin other news
21:43.45Lone_Wanderercompletely unrelated to the May deadline
21:43.54Lone_WandererI had drill for the National Guard last weekend
21:44.00Lone_Wandererand we had to fill out papers for a passport
21:44.00mgearyhahahah
21:44.10mgearycompletely unrelated
21:44.12Lone_Wandererbut I already have one so I just sat around doing nothing
21:44.15Lone_Wandereryeah, totally unrelated
21:44.20Lone_WandererBUT I CAN'T TELL YOU WHY I WANT TO DO THIS BY MAY
21:44.28mgeary'cause you can't say anything about that
21:44.34Lone_WandererNo.
21:44.52Lone_WandererI'll get you, mgeary.  And your little dog, too.
21:44.53mgearydo soldiers need passports to go to other countries?
21:44.55Lone_Wandererbrb, brewing tea
21:45.02mgearyi mean, as soldiers
21:45.03utahconmgeary: I never did
21:45.07Lone_WandererI wouldn't know, since I'm not planning on going to another country ;)
21:45.24utahcondoesn't national guard stay nation side... you know... national?
21:45.31Lone_Wanderernope
21:45.38Lone_Wandererwe go to war just like the real army
21:45.44Lone_WandererI mean active duty.
21:45.44utahcon"real" army
21:45.45utahconlol
21:46.00utahconfinance
21:46.03utahconcheck cutting
21:46.08utahcondidn't do sh*t
21:46.17utahconexcept jog
21:46.21utahconI hate joggin
21:46.24utahconand running
21:46.26utahconand push ups
21:46.31Lone_Wandereryeah, army PT is crap
21:46.43utahconI did like the chick in the QM cage though...
21:46.44utahconshe was hot
21:46.55utahconand she had a voice like angels
21:47.03utahconangels in camo... but angels anyways
21:47.18Lone_Wandererthere is real, actual scientific evidence showing that army PT not only doesn't make you stronger, but is actively bad for you
21:47.26utahconmindjuju will like this... ever date I had with her was at Applebees
21:47.30Lone_Wandererwell, for me when I joined, it made me stronger because I was so deconditioned
21:47.39mgeary"PT" ?
21:47.40Lone_Wandererwhat's the QM cage?
21:47.43mgearyah, phys training
21:47.48utahconQuarter Master
21:47.51Lone_Wandererah
21:48.00utahconshe handed me a gun, I was in love.
21:48.03Lone_WandererI met a chick at RSP who I wanted to stay in touch with but I found out she left the guard
21:48.09mgearywhat's Army Reserve?
21:48.10utahconnot the first or last time that happened
21:48.16Lone_Wandererand no-one knows how to get ahold of her any more.  so sad.
21:48.27Lone_WandererI don't know, mgeary.
21:48.36utahconmgeary: exactly like it sounds... I am there in case they run out of "real" army
21:48.38Lone_WandererAnyway I really am leaving to get a sinful beverage now.  bbiab.
21:48.43mgearyutahcon: i thought that was nat. guard
21:48.51utahcononly I was in finance... what are the chance of all the finance guys getting blowed up?
21:49.10utahconArym Reserve is similar to Nat Gaurd, but more active.
21:49.33utahconNat Gaurd gets suckered into helping with nation problems... like huricanes and earth quake clean up
21:49.49utahconAF anymore is a bunch of pansies.
21:49.52utahconthere I said it!
21:52.49mgearyhey, i just got word that an old buddy of mine got laid off today, so if anyone knows of some Flash/Flex work, let me know
21:53.20SunSparcmgeary: http://mediarain.com/us/employment
21:53.44funguseven the AF would say so
21:53.46mgearySunSparc: he's in Texas, so at least initially, he's mostly interested in contract work. You guys do that?
21:54.13SunSparcSometimes, but we prefer full-time.
21:54.15mgearyyeah
21:56.16SunSparcmindjuju: pm
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22:17.16DexterTheDragonhttp://gizmodo.com/5332274/in-russia-snowblowers-use-mig+15-jets/gallery/
22:22.27justincarmonyDexterTheDragon: Thats Crazy!
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22:26.39supernoviahi guys...
22:26.43supernoviaping mgeary again..
22:27.27justincarmonyhey SunSparc
22:27.32justincarmonyer, supernovia :)
22:27.40supernoviaheh
22:27.56supernoviawhat a day :) How are things here?
22:28.40justincarmonypretty good, looking at DexterTheDragon's jet powered snow blowers :P
22:28.48supernovianice
22:33.49mgearyhey, now don't go making me regret the plow-equipped ATV we got for Christmas. Now my wife's gonna want a jet engine instead.... :|
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23:14.42supernoviawell, that was fun
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