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| 01:10.17 | supernovia | oi. |
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| 03:41.22 | Zelut | anyone have a sec to help me with a .css issue? I'm stumped (and horrible with .css) |
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| 03:45.26 | supernovia | hi Zelut |
| 03:45.40 | supernovia | what do you need? |
| 03:45.41 | Zelut | hi |
| 03:46.02 | Zelut | I updated the theme on my WP install today, and I've run into one little issue I can't figure out. |
| 03:46.07 | supernovia | k |
| 03:46.12 | Zelut | here is an example: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2010/01/13/a-new-look-for-a-new-year/ |
| 03:46.29 | Zelut | notice the comment textarea spans just a tad further than the column |
| 03:46.46 | supernovia | Ok |
| 03:47.27 | Zelut | i can't seem to find where in the css to shrink it. |
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| 03:48.10 | supernovia | its ID is #comment |
| 03:48.23 | supernovia | well, comment anyway, in the CSS you'd reference it with #comment |
| 03:49.13 | supernovia | so now if you look in the CSS you can see #comment { width: 601px; } right? |
| 03:49.14 | jtsnow | #comment { |
| 03:49.16 | jtsnow | width:601px; |
| 03:49.17 | jtsnow | } |
| 03:49.18 | Zelut | #comment { width;601px; } |
| 03:49.19 | jtsnow | line 907 |
| 03:49.28 | Zelut | right.. I tried changing that but it didn't seem to do anything. |
| 03:49.37 | supernovia | what did you change it to? |
| 03:49.48 | jtsnow | changing it works for me w/ firebug |
| 03:50.05 | Zelut | like 10px smaller, and then I put it back after I didn't see a change. |
| 03:50.10 | Zelut | ..maybe I was caching or something. |
| 03:50.18 | supernovia | try making a dramatic change and see if that shows |
| 03:51.02 | Zelut | well 575px; seems to work. weird. |
| 03:51.14 | supernovia | or just set it to 100% maybe |
| 03:51.31 | supernovia | well, keep trying & you'll get the hang of it |
| 03:51.51 | Zelut | also, while we're on the topic.. |
| 03:52.18 | Zelut | I needed to stretch my sidebar by 30px, but stretching the container element then broke with the header. |
| 03:52.20 | supernovia | (btw, if you're not using firebug or the web dev toolbar, they're lifesavers) |
| 03:52.43 | Zelut | can you tell if the header graphic is able to stretch, or is that static at that size? |
| 03:53.05 | Zelut | (to get around the issue I shrunk the content area and expanded the sidebar, thus introducing the issue with the comment textarea. |
| 03:53.20 | supernovia | it's 936px wide |
| 03:53.49 | supernovia | (the actual graphic I mean) |
| 03:55.17 | supernovia | doesn't look pretty repeated. You could just make a bigger graphic though. Or shrink your content column by 30px, right? |
| 03:55.40 | Zelut | yeah, i expanded the sidebar by 30 and shrunk the content. |
| 03:55.49 | supernovia | oh got ya. |
| 03:55.51 | Zelut | its probably fine the way it is. |
| 03:56.12 | supernovia | Making your own header graphic, if you can, might be a good idea. |
| 03:57.17 | supernovia | Oh, scroll down. You've got a "border" that'll need to be moved 30px or so too |
| 03:58.57 | Zelut | what should i search for in the style.css? |
| 03:59.22 | Zelut | (part of the problem is I don't think I know how to properly read the html to refer to the proper css reference |
| 03:59.23 | supernovia | if you get the dev toolbar and turn on stylesheet information |
| 03:59.31 | supernovia | you can mouse over that area and see what it's called, pretty easily |
| 03:59.39 | supernovia | and then look at the style |
| 03:59.47 | Zelut | will the dev tools in chrome work? |
| 04:00.25 | supernovia | I haven't tried them |
| 04:00.51 | supernovia | but if you look at the style for #sidebar, looks like there's no styled border, just an image |
| 04:00.51 | Zelut | ohh, that is pretty cool |
| 04:01.01 | supernovia | so you probably want to edit the image a bit or move it over or something |
| 04:01.05 | Zelut | (I'm pretty much 100% chrome at this point) |
| 04:01.31 | supernovia | I haven't had time to try it :-( |
| 04:02.04 | supernovia | but I need to get this computer packed up already and shipped off for repairs, will reformat first so I'm forced to install a few fresh basics when it's back |
| 04:02.11 | Zelut | ohh you're missing out. its *so* much faster. |
| 04:02.13 | supernovia | so maybe I'll try chrome then |
| 04:04.51 | Zelut | ok. I can see the highlighting in the tool but I can't track down the border |
| 04:05.09 | supernovia | so now you look at the style and see there's just a background image right? |
| 04:06.17 | supernovia | 301px wide, with the leftmost pixel being darker than the rest. That's your border. |
| 04:07.35 | Zelut | ok.. |
| 04:08.10 | supernovia | so you could make the image bigger, or you could look at the colors in it and try to duplicate that with just the css.. |
| 04:20.39 | Heartsbane | Oh nevermind |
| 04:20.48 | supernovia | Did you get it Zelut? |
| 04:21.08 | supernovia | Oh really Heartsbane? |
| 04:21.33 | justincarmony | Hi Heartsbane! |
| 04:21.36 | justincarmony | :) |
| 04:22.38 | Zelut | Heartsbane: whats up |
| 04:29.02 | Heartsbane | just looks like you found the help you wer looking for |
| 04:29.22 | Zelut | yeah. thanks |
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| 04:56.54 | justincarmony | Heartsbane: where did you get your irc nick from? |
| 05:16.56 | DexterTheDragon | and I quote from the 12/15/2009 uphpu logs |
| 05:16.58 | DexterTheDragon | 10:56 <+justincarmony> Heartsbane: did you get your name from WoT? |
| 05:17.06 | DexterTheDragon | 13:59 <+Heartsbane> justincarmony: yes |
| 05:17.07 | justincarmony | lol, he never answered me back |
| 05:17.09 | justincarmony | Aw |
| 05:17.12 | justincarmony | never saw that |
| 05:17.16 | supernovia | 3 hours later |
| 05:18.15 | herlo | justincarmony: what is WoT? |
| 05:18.21 | justincarmony | Wheel of Time |
| 05:18.27 | justincarmony | Robert Jordan |
| 05:18.32 | herlo | ahh |
| 05:18.51 | herlo | though I don't hate fantasy... |
| 05:18.56 | supernovia | I would totally read them |
| 05:19.10 | supernovia | but somehow I only manage to schedule stuff like that in when I'm on vacation |
| 05:19.41 | supernovia | next time I'm on a plane, I swear it'll be Jordan instead of Sparks :) |
| 05:19.47 | justincarmony | haha |
| 05:20.14 | herlo | supernovia: uh |
| 05:20.25 | supernovia | A long plane with speedreading |
| 05:20.26 | justincarmony | my wife just read The Last Song |
| 05:20.31 | herlo | I loved Nights at Rodanthe |
| 05:20.41 | herlo | the book, not the movie (the movie was *okay*) |
| 05:20.48 | justincarmony | on her Kindle :P |
| 05:20.54 | supernovia | ah, I haven't read that one justincarmony |
| 05:21.01 | supernovia | kindof excited for Dear John the movie though |
| 05:21.33 | justincarmony | supernovia: LOL, read the synopsis for the Book |
| 05:21.35 | supernovia | in a sappy way. I don't even want to be sappy anymore |
| 05:21.49 | justincarmony | the trailer doesn't potray what will happen :P |
| 05:22.13 | supernovia | sparks books alway seem to end in some sadness |
| 05:22.22 | supernovia | always, even |
| 05:22.32 | justincarmony | supernovia: my wife agrees :P |
| 05:22.57 | justincarmony | herlo: have you read Warbreaker by Brandon Sanderson? |
| 05:23.05 | herlo | nope |
| 05:23.12 | justincarmony | its pretty good, I like his stuff |
| 05:23.24 | supernovia | my dream = reading Don Quixote |
| 05:23.25 | justincarmony | I think he has an e-copy of it that is free |
| 05:23.34 | herlo | supernovia: good luck :) |
| 05:23.34 | supernovia | while staying in a windmill on a spanish island |
| 05:24.19 | supernovia | Whaaaat |
| 05:24.29 | herlo | I read it when I was a tean |
| 05:24.34 | supernovia | I love Tolkien |
| 05:24.35 | herlo | s/tean/teen/ |
| 05:24.49 | herlo | supernovia: I didn't say that I didn't like Tolkien |
| 05:24.56 | herlo | I said it was difficult to read |
| 05:25.23 | herlo | aka, I don't understand olde English so well, looking up words in the dictionary every page can get really annoying after a while |
| 05:25.28 | supernovia | difficult as in hard to focus when your blood sugar is so low because you haven't put down the book for 36 hours straight? |
| 05:26.01 | herlo | no |
| 05:26.05 | DexterTheDragon | difficult cause its sooooo boring |
| 05:26.10 | supernovia | ah, I miss being a teenager with nothing to do in the summertime |
| 05:26.11 | herlo | difficult as in I have to keep looking crap up |
| 05:26.30 | supernovia | I so loved those. Old English doesn't bug me though |
| 05:29.56 | herlo | yeah, I didn't mind reading them, once I understood what the hell certain words meant |
| 05:30.00 | herlo | :) |
| 05:30.13 | supernovia | oh no, looks like they sold the vacation rental I was hoping to stay in |
| 05:30.51 | justincarmony | alright |
| 05:30.53 | justincarmony | I'm off to bed! |
| 05:30.58 | supernovia | spakoi |
| 05:31.29 | justincarmony | night supernovia, herlo, DexterTheDragon, anyone else who is lerking! :P |
| 05:38.19 | supernovia | anyone seen beandog today? I was wondering if he happened to get that wireless wireless working |
| 05:38.39 | supernovia | might be trying that this weekend |
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| 06:22.33 | supernovia | hi swb |
| 06:46.50 | mindjuju_ | what a day |
| 06:51.04 | supernovia | did you get a nap, mindjuju_? |
| 06:55.16 | mindjuju_ | yup, brain went offline from 6:30 - > 8:30 |
| 06:55.26 | mindjuju_ | you? |
| 06:55.51 | supernovia | I got a little one in. |
| 06:56.14 | mindjuju_ | :) |
| 06:56.44 | mindjuju_ | right now i'm codign one comp, downloading VS 2k8 on my laptop |
| 06:56.52 | mindjuju_ | forgot i have a lab due tomorrow at 1a |
| 06:56.57 | supernovia | ugh |
| 06:57.22 | supernovia | I've been trying to get xubuntu running on an old pc + getting my data off this one (still) |
| 06:57.33 | supernovia | and fixing up something on the ol blog |
| 06:58.19 | mindjuju_ | the novapages? |
| 06:58.49 | supernovia | Yeah |
| 06:59.10 | mindjuju_ | why did you call it "nova" pages? |
| 06:59.23 | supernovia | lots of reasons.. |
| 07:00.04 | mindjuju_ | i only ask cause supernova as a handle isn't bad |
| 07:00.20 | supernovia | I'm sure someone else is using it though already you know? supernovia was unique |
| 07:00.26 | supernovia | I didn't want the site to be novia pages :-p |
| 07:00.53 | mindjuju_ | ah |
| 07:01.05 | supernovia | but yeah I was thinking nova like new and turning over some new pages when I made that site, and nova like the supernova which is kinda where the nick came from |
| 07:01.18 | supernovia | plus there's a vela supernova, which makes me giggle abit |
| 07:01.50 | mindjuju_ | yeah, i can understand the need for a unique handle mindjuju is unique, is the name of my business, etc |
| 07:02.00 | mindjuju_ | i register accounts with the name so that i own them |
| 07:02.07 | supernovia | yeah, and people kinda know me by the nick already.. it's everywhere |
| 07:02.26 | mindjuju_ | though i must admit, i didn't bother getting mindjuju@hotmail, i dislike hotmail that much |
| 07:02.32 | supernovia | hehe |
| 07:02.39 | mindjuju_ | and i think my mindjuju@yahoo may have lapsed, but |
| 07:02.45 | mindjuju_ | google is mine, etc |
| 07:02.48 | mindjuju_ | twitter |
| 07:03.16 | supernovia | yeah, my supernovia@yahoo died a long time ago.. can't get it back without selling my soul to yahoo |
| 07:03.30 | supernovia | but yah, the nick is everywhere. |
| 07:03.42 | supernovia | and I guess when I think about it, it's not like I was a notsosupernovia you know? |
| 07:03.58 | mindjuju_ | there ya go! |
| 07:04.00 | wps | Just felt my third child kick for the first time |
| 07:04.00 | mindjuju_ | :) |
| 07:04.13 | supernovia | Congrats, wps! That is a happy feeling |
| 07:04.21 | wps | indeed |
| 07:04.24 | mindjuju_ | congrats wps! |
| 07:04.28 | wps | thanks |
| 07:04.39 | mindjuju_ | though truth told, I never felt Corban kick |
| 07:04.43 | supernovia | really? |
| 07:04.44 | mindjuju_ | i think tiff was making it up |
| 07:04.47 | mindjuju_ | :) |
| 07:04.50 | mindjuju_ | jk |
| 07:04.56 | mindjuju_ | but yeah, never felt him kick |
| 07:04.58 | supernovia | man, you could see Ethan kick right through my shirt |
| 07:05.34 | mindjuju_ | i think if it had been me, i'd have tried to catch his foot |
| 07:05.42 | supernovia | when people were bored at church, they'd watch my belly. it was nuts |
| 07:05.45 | mindjuju_ | mess up his A game and see what happens |
| 07:06.14 | supernovia | hehe |
| 07:06.48 | supernovia | well I swear the kid practically came out doing taekwando |
| 07:07.10 | supernovia | he was one tough baby |
| 07:08.22 | supernovia | probably from all his resistance exercises in pushing against the walls, etc. |
| 07:09.39 | supernovia | oh and I had pre-term labor issues alot too, so I'm guessing part of the pushing was just to declare what space was his. :) |
| 07:10.34 | mindjuju_ | the braxton-hicks contractions? |
| 07:10.53 | mindjuju_ | i hear those hurt near as bad as labor itself |
| 07:11.19 | supernovia | whatever those were, I was surprised when the real labor pain didn't hurt as badly |
| 07:12.02 | mindjuju_ | AFAIK, braxton-hicks contractions prep the body for delivery... its supposedly like practice |
| 07:12.06 | mindjuju_ | painful practice |
| 07:12.12 | supernovia | yeah it was |
| 07:12.49 | supernovia | mine were pretty regular too - 5-8 minutes apart through most of the 2nd half of the pregnancy :-/ |
| 07:13.05 | mindjuju_ | yuck |
| 07:13.10 | mindjuju_ | that's a lot of practice |
| 07:13.10 | supernovia | and then we'd go to the hospital when they got to 3 mins |
| 07:13.42 | supernovia | yeah it was kinda bad. I have to think, looking back, that a lot of it was stress induced. |
| 07:14.42 | supernovia | so maybe (maybe?) someday I'll find out what normal is like :) |
| 07:15.13 | mindjuju_ | did i tell ya that tiff had hyperemissis? |
| 07:15.24 | supernovia | No - what's that? |
| 07:15.44 | supernovia | oooh, googled it. Yikes |
| 07:15.48 | mindjuju_ | morning sickness so bad you LOSE 5% |
| 07:16.20 | mindjuju_ | she worked before Corban was born, and there'd be times when i'd call her office to check on her, and i could hear her throwing up in the bathroom like 15 feet away |
| 07:16.21 | supernovia | that's awful. I did my fair share of puking and still gained a ton |
| 07:16.22 | mindjuju_ | no joke |
| 07:16.48 | supernovia | I can't imagine how sick you'd have to be to lose 5% :-( |
| 07:17.05 | mindjuju_ | finally, i pulled the plug on that stuff, told her to quit, packed up her stuff and moved her early to her mother's house |
| 07:17.11 | mindjuju_ | we were already planning on moving to Utah |
| 07:17.27 | supernovia | did she do OK with the move and all that? |
| 07:17.28 | mindjuju_ | but with going on, i thought she'd need somebody with her and just sent her ahead |
| 07:17.49 | mindjuju_ | well, i had her pack her clothes and sent her a month ahead |
| 07:18.08 | mindjuju_ | i packed up the house, loaded it with the help of the local boy scouts and drove out |
| 07:18.16 | supernovia | good job |
| 07:18.24 | mindjuju_ | no sense putting her through all that |
| 07:18.31 | mindjuju_ | she was having hard enough time as it was |
| 07:18.39 | supernovia | seriously. that had to have been hard but way to help her out |
| 07:19.16 | mindjuju_ | it actually turne dout really well for us |
| 07:19.24 | mindjuju_ | Tiff's mom passed away liek 2yrs later |
| 07:19.29 | supernovia | oh no! |
| 07:19.30 | mindjuju_ | so Tiff was able to have that time with her mom |
| 07:19.39 | mindjuju_ | have her mom all caring and helpful |
| 07:19.49 | supernovia | what happened to her mom? |
| 07:20.30 | mindjuju_ | complications from hodgkin's-lymphoma |
| 07:20.40 | mindjuju_ | that's actually why we came back to utah |
| 07:21.03 | supernovia | ouch. Good move though |
| 07:21.21 | mindjuju_ | her cancer came out of remission, we prayed and felt it was right to move, started planning the move, found out Tiff was preggers, sent tiff on ahead, etc |
| 07:22.13 | supernovia | so glad when things work out for the best like that |
| 07:22.24 | mindjuju_ | yup :) |
| 07:22.46 | supernovia | (for the best considering what YOU can do, I mean, not for the best that her mom didn't make it) |
| 07:23.11 | mindjuju_ | really wanted Corban born in Texas though, that's a resume highlight, Native Texan |
| 07:23.18 | supernovia | hehe |
| 07:23.22 | mindjuju_ | alas, we can't all be Native though |
| 07:23.35 | supernovia | how did you two meet? |
| 07:23.48 | mindjuju_ | oscars party |
| 07:23.54 | supernovia | oh really? |
| 07:24.01 | mindjuju_ | yup |
| 07:24.10 | mindjuju_ | married June 1st |
| 07:24.23 | mindjuju_ | oscars were in late march that year if i recall |
| 07:24.52 | supernovia | wowsers |
| 07:26.00 | mindjuju_ | we had originally planned on 6 month engagement, but then thought why wait? |
| 07:26.20 | mindjuju_ | plus, we were 26 |
| 07:27.10 | supernovia | I always thought short courtships were asking for trouble :-p Hah. |
| 07:27.13 | mindjuju_ | you robbed a craddle? |
| 07:27.51 | wps | that I did |
| 07:28.11 | supernovia | no one ever robs the old folks home |
| 07:29.37 | mindjuju_ | i think it's going to be a photo-finish, assignment due in 30 minutes, download still has like 5 minutes, have to install, load app, compile and upload |
| 07:30.08 | supernovia | wowsas |
| 07:30.28 | mindjuju_ | i'm not ususally so goofy about stuff like this, but this week has been bad |
| 07:30.43 | supernovia | seems seriously overloaded |
| 07:31.32 | mindjuju_ | hopefully i'll get into the groove shortly ad be ok |
| 07:31.36 | mindjuju_ | my other classes are cool |
| 07:32.26 | wps | trim(mindjuju_); |
| 07:33.09 | wps | it worked! |
| 07:33.16 | wps | awesome |
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| 07:34.21 | supernovia | hehe |
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| 15:15.18 | justincarmony | goood morning :) |
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| 16:40.55 | wps | when extending a class, does the __construct in the first not get called? |
| 16:43.11 | fungus | not if you defined a new one to replace it |
| 16:43.21 | wps | bummer |
| 16:43.26 | wps | I was hoping they'd both be called |
| 16:43.26 | fungus | But... |
| 16:43.43 | fungus | you can call the parent's constructor explicitly in your constructer |
| 16:43.52 | wps | what's the syntax for that? |
| 16:44.24 | fungus | parent::__construct(); |
| 16:44.34 | fungus | http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.decon.php |
| 16:44.48 | wps | thanks |
| 16:44.55 | fungus | np |
| 16:45.24 | wps | is that the same for __get and __set ? |
| 16:45.29 | wps | parent:__get() |
| 16:46.38 | fungus | yes |
| 16:46.50 | fungus | any method you override will override the parents |
| 16:47.10 | fungus | and you can call the parents using that syntax |
| 16:47.17 | wps | k |
| 16:47.23 | fungus | oh, don't forget there are TWO colons |
| 16:54.23 | justincarmony | fungus is so smart! :P |
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| 17:04.15 | wps | I have a private variable in the class that I'm extending |
| 17:04.23 | wps | the class that's extending it can't see it |
| 17:04.34 | wps | making it public solves the problem |
| 17:04.35 | DexterTheDragon | thats cause its private |
| 17:04.40 | wps | but I'd rather it not be public |
| 17:04.56 | wps | is there any way for the second class to see it without making it public |
| 17:05.03 | wps | I don't want it accessible outside of the classes |
| 17:05.08 | DexterTheDragon | use protected then http://us2.php.net/private |
| 17:05.32 | wps | thanksâ¦Â haven't heard of protected |
| 17:05.51 | wps | perfecto |
| 17:06.00 | wps | thanks, DexterTheDragon |
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| 17:16.35 | justincarmony | I wish they would announce the new macbook pros :P |
| 17:16.39 | justincarmony | so I could order one |
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| 18:13.13 | influx | mornin |
| 18:17.04 | wps | this may seem trivial, but it's driving me nuts |
| 18:17.09 | wps | having a hard time coming up with a name for something |
| 18:17.18 | wps | I have a content management system where pages can be created |
| 18:17.44 | wps | pages have several attributes: title, keywords, description, sidebar, etc |
| 18:17.52 | wps | one of the attributes is the content of the page |
| 18:18.41 | wps | the content of the page can come from one of three locations: the page itself (database), a module, or a file |
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| 18:19.08 | wps | modules in the system can provide multiple sources of page content |
| 18:19.20 | wps | it's that source of page content that I'm trying to name |
| 18:19.26 | wps | the best I have come up with is "screen" |
| 18:19.32 | wps | a "module screen" |
| 18:20.27 | wps | it's not a template, because a screen uses a template |
| 18:20.32 | wps | template = front-end logic |
| 18:20.38 | wps | screen = back-end logic |
| 18:20.48 | wps | I'm not in love with screen though |
| 18:20.56 | jtsnow | page handler? |
| 18:21.23 | wps | hmmâ¦Â handler might work |
| 18:21.51 | wps | I like that better than screen |
| 18:26.55 | justincarmony | man, just talked to a guy who is going to my mission... now I'm looking up prices for flights & hotel |
| 18:30.15 | fungus | In MVC parlance, business logic belongs in the Model |
| 18:30.44 | fungus | the Controller handles the request and connects the Models with Views (display logic) |
| 18:31.08 | wps | ah⦠yes⦠|
| 18:31.15 | wps | bing |
| 18:32.41 | wps | i wonder if I'd have been better to have named my templates views (for standards reasons) |
| 18:32.53 | mgeary | well |
| 18:33.03 | mgeary | a view could have multiple templates, depending on the context, imo |
| 18:33.26 | mgeary | you could have a "login" view, but depending on your user type, you might serve up 2+ different templates to facilitate the login |
| 18:33.35 | wps | good call |
| 18:33.38 | fungus | imo, a view is the entire page which may consist of many templates |
| 18:33.48 | fungus | pulling data from many models |
| 18:33.49 | mgeary | a view is like a certain state of your application |
| 18:33.57 | wps | that makes sense |
| 18:33.59 | fungus | all connected together via a controller |
| 18:34.57 | wps | I think I'll use model for my "screens" |
| 18:35.00 | wps | thanks everyone |
| 18:47.50 | mgeary | everybody wants something |
| 18:50.31 | wps | excellent choice, mgeary |
| 18:52.18 | justincarmony | josephscott: oooh, that debug function is mind blowing! ;) |
| 18:52.24 | fungus | lol, have you seen the video for that song? |
| 18:52.39 | josephscott | justincarmony: yeah, yeah, everyone's a critic |
| 18:52.53 | justincarmony | lol, its typically the most simple functions that are useful :P |
| 18:53.11 | fungus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYYL1vybRU4 |
| 18:54.12 | josephscott | justincarmony: if you think that one was trivial and simple, wait until your see the other ones I'll be posting :-) |
| 18:55.10 | josephscott | my gauge was how handy the function was, not how complex or lines of code |
| 18:55.37 | wps | we have a secretary at our office building (about 1,000 people) that sends out mass emails to everyone for the stupidest things |
| 18:55.47 | wps | todays was letting us know that the yoga class had been postponed |
| 18:55.51 | wps | I want to reply with this: |
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| 18:55.56 | wps | "Thanks, unfortunately I will be out 21 Jan for a colonoscopy and will be unable to attend." |
| 18:56.13 | wps | can her announcement list be opt-in? |
| 18:56.18 | wps | s/can/can't/ |
| 18:56.21 | josephscott | wps: are you in the Riverton building? |
| 18:56.24 | wps | yeah |
| 18:56.42 | SunSparc | Soo... apparently some people think that Star Wars was all about the epic struggle between C3PO and Darth Vader. |
| 18:56.43 | SunSparc | http://www.videosift.com/video/If-Star-Wars-was-made-in-France |
| 18:57.52 | josephscott | dude! It's the 3CPO dance team! |
| 18:58.41 | mgeary | wow. TMI |
| 18:58.55 | SunSparc | lol |
| 18:59.23 | SunSparc | Perhaps those were the only costumes available. |
| 19:03.22 | wps | SunSparc: why did you post that video? |
| 19:03.34 | SunSparc | heh |
| 19:03.38 | wps | that wasn't very nice |
| 19:03.50 | SunSparc | I know. Misery loves company. |
| 19:03.54 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:04.17 | utahcon | fungus: apparently cron can have a list of ranges :D |
| 19:04.26 | fungus | very nice |
| 19:04.35 | utahcon | * 0-19,21-23 * * * /my/script works fine :D |
| 19:05.26 | wps | is there a way to get a list of functions that exist in a script? |
| 19:06.00 | wps | beauty! |
| 19:06.00 | wps | get_defined_functions |
| 19:06.01 | fungus | grep function file.php |
| 19:06.15 | wps | sorryâ¦Â I should google before IRC |
| 19:06.19 | fungus | hehe |
| 19:06.32 | josephscott | and php.net will try and match the function for you |
| 19:07.04 | wps | I think that that will return all defined functions thoughâ¦Â not just ones in a particular file |
| 19:07.04 | josephscott | so if you type in us.php.net/function-name-guess it will give you a list of functions that seem close to that |
| 19:09.39 | romanovic | anyone in the room use phing? |
| 19:10.29 | wps | hmmâ¦Â guess I'll have to use regex |
| 19:10.50 | utahcon | romanovic: looks interesting |
| 19:11.06 | josephscott | wps: are all of the functions in that file prefixed in some way? That would allow to weed out everything else |
| 19:11.43 | wps | they aren't currently, but I could require they be |
| 19:13.08 | romanovic | utahcon: I think so too. It is similar to the Ant tool in the Java world, which is very useful |
| 19:13.24 | josephscott | then you could just walk the function array and re-build with just functions that had that prefix |
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| 19:20.07 | stderr | rake++ |
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| 19:37.52 | CoolCoder | I am getting depreciated errors when i integrated a class provided by some source. Its working well in my local system where i am using PHP5.3. The class i have mentioned is written for php4. When i have uploaded to the server the following warning are there. "Call-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated; If you would like to pass it by reference, modify the declaration of xml_set_object()." |
| 19:37.59 | CoolCoder | anyone help |
| 19:38.47 | CoolCoder | will it be ok if i set allow_call_time_pass_reference=true in ini fil.e? |
| 19:38.50 | CoolCoder | file* |
| 19:40.46 | CoolCoder | bye |
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| 19:47.30 | mgeary | well |
| 19:47.33 | mgeary | that got rid of HIM |
| 19:56.25 | justincarmony | ARG |
| 19:56.28 | romanovic | C |
| 19:56.37 | justincarmony | I hate it when I can't replicate a bug :P |
| 20:00.59 | unum | me too |
| 20:09.41 | utahcon | we actually just ran into his bug here at SOS |
| 20:09.56 | utahcon | oh well... |
| 20:10.37 | mindjuju | i wonder if they charge full price at the hospital if you deliver on the side of the road? |
| 20:10.38 | mindjuju | http://heraldextra.com/news/local/central/provo/article_c48f901e-cef9-54ee-87c9-0b8081e3a2c0.html |
| 20:10.52 | utahcon | mindjuju: you better believe they do! |
| 20:11.31 | mindjuju | figures |
| 20:11.36 | utahcon | that type of article is so useless to me... |
| 20:11.55 | utahcon | all I know is that two women had a baby... how that is possible I don't know, but whatever. |
| 20:12.06 | utahcon | glad it was in provo... their tax $$ and not mine :D |
| 20:16.35 | josephscott | dude, it was a mother and baby, doesn't say anything else. What if the husband/father was deployed over seas and the other woman was a friend driving her to the hospital? |
| 20:16.36 | josephscott | have a heart, any new born deserves help being born |
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| 20:32.42 | beandog | Anyone got a Vista CD I can borrow to repair an MBR issue? |
| 20:32.57 | SunSparc | ~lart vista |
| 20:32.57 | ibot | slaps vista around with a large trout |
| 20:33.06 | mgeary | MBR? |
| 20:33.13 | SunSparc | Master Boot Record |
| 20:33.20 | supernovia | mmm, I have vista compressed on here somewhere |
| 20:33.22 | beandog | mgeary: master boot record |
| 20:33.24 | mindjuju | beandog, i had the same problem and i found it NEARLY impossible to get my hands on one |
| 20:33.24 | beandog | no me bootie |
| 20:33.26 | mgeary | supernovia: ping |
| 20:33.30 | beandog | which, wouldn't be bad, normally |
| 20:33.32 | SunSparc | If you have Linux, you can hook your Vista drive up to it. |
| 20:33.32 | beandog | but its not my computer |
| 20:33.35 | beandog | heh |
| 20:33.37 | supernovia | hi mgeary |
| 20:33.50 | beandog | SunSparc: what you mean? |
| 20:33.58 | mindjuju | but i do have a disc that is supposedly the next best thing |
| 20:34.11 | SunSparc | I have fixed Windows disk problem in Linux on several occasions. |
| 20:34.33 | SunSparc | beandog: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Download |
| 20:34.41 | SunSparc | TestDisk is great. |
| 20:34.42 | beandog | SunSparc: yah? From what Im reading, I need the actual Vista disk. I just installed Xubuntu on here for a friend, and Vista does not like GRUB |
| 20:35.14 | SunSparc | Heh, Windows wants to be the only OS on the machine. |
| 20:35.33 | beandog | Yah |
| 20:35.34 | beandog | pretty much |
| 20:35.39 | SunSparc | Always have to be on the first sector of the drive too. |
| 20:35.46 | SunSparc | Lame |
| 20:36.15 | SunSparc | So, does Vista boot? Or are you getting bootloader errors? |
| 20:36.53 | SunSparc | Where did you install Xubuntu? On the same drive? |
| 20:37.12 | SunSparc | Is the Windows partition still Primary Master? |
| 20:37.55 | beandog | SunSparc: You select Vista's loader from the GRUB menu, and Vista starts loading, but then the system reboots. And yah, installed on same drive, Xubuntu resized the partition, and yah its still primary master |
| 20:38.54 | SunSparc | beandog: So Xubuntu installed itself and Grub after Windows and did not move the Windows partition from where is was, right? |
| 20:39.17 | beandog | SunSparc: correct. Just resized it. Still same partitions though. |
| 20:39.24 | mindjuju | beandog -- http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/01/26/no-vista-installation-cd-you-can-still-download-a-vista-recover/ |
| 20:39.24 | beandog | er, same partitions for Windows. |
| 20:40.59 | beandog | mindjuju: that looks helpful |
| 20:41.00 | beandog | :D |
| 20:41.08 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:42.03 | beandog | except its a torrent, and there's no peers. |
| 20:42.04 | beandog | wonderful. |
| 20:42.06 | beandog | :T |
| 20:42.31 | beandog | Oh there it goes, it just took a second. |
| 20:42.51 | SunSparc | beandog: Boot into Xubuntu, run TestDisk, and have it fix the Windows boot loader. |
| 20:43.01 | beandog | SunSparc: oh, Xubuntu has it? |
| 20:43.14 | SunSparc | Not until you download it. |
| 20:43.17 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:46.17 | beandog | SunSparc: ah, heh |
| 20:46.30 | beandog | that is a minor wall |
| 20:47.00 | SunSparc | Xubuntu not loading either? |
| 20:49.40 | beandog | SunSparc: oh, no, I got it |
| 20:49.46 | beandog | :) |
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| 20:51.36 | trevynm | Any Cake users here? I cant seem to get my recursive delete to work |
| 20:51.36 | trevynm | http://pastebin.com/d8dc9713 |
| 20:51.40 | trevynm | Anyone car to look at it? |
| 20:52.28 | utahcon | hey trevynm |
| 20:52.43 | trevynm | utahcon: hi |
| 20:53.43 | utahcon | trevynm: does your function indeed reside within your Alias class? The snipplet you posted it does not. |
| 20:54.30 | supernovia | tried supergrubdisk beandog? looks like it could help |
| 20:55.04 | beandog | supernovia: not yet |
| 20:58.09 | SunSparc | trevynm: What is being deleted and what should be recursively deleted? Are what you have shown us the complete Model files? |
| 21:07.53 | trevynm | back |
| 21:08.13 | trevynm | Im trying to delete the alias |
| 21:08.22 | trevynm | and the urls assigned to that alias, should delete |
| 21:08.30 | trevynm | Im calling the delete function from the controller |
| 21:08.42 | trevynm | and the two models are setup in deifferent files |
| 21:08.56 | trevynm | utahcon: SunSparc thanks for looking at it |
| 21:09.11 | trevynm | I have shown you the complete model files for both Alias and Users |
| 21:09.22 | trevynm | and Im showing you the function called by the controller |
| 21:14.33 | SunSparc | What happens currently when you delete an alias? Does it successfully delete the alias but not any urls? |
| 21:14.41 | trevynm | SunSparc: yes |
| 21:21.01 | mgeary | it's disgraceful that browsers still don't allow you to select a column of text in a table :( |
| 21:22.04 | stderr | mgeary: ... |
| 21:22.26 | mgeary | i have to copy/paste from html tables all the time |
| 21:24.06 | mgeary | clearly i'm the only one |
| 21:27.32 | trevynm | mgeary: HTML to text, to spreadsheet |
| 21:27.52 | trevynm | HTML paste to editor, then from editor to Open Office |
| 21:28.06 | mgeary | i'm not looking for solutions. i'm griping that browsers don't allow selecting of columns |
| 21:28.21 | trevynm | mgeary: word, understood |
| 21:30.54 | trevynm | got it |
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| 21:36.56 | mgeary | ~mbp SunSparc |
| 21:36.56 | ibot | ACTION puts another nickel in SunSparc's "Get a MacBook Pro" jar |
| 21:37.12 | SunSparc | Thanks. My current one is nearly 4 years old. |
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| 21:37.36 | mgeary | yeah, in my experience a mac laptop is good about 4 years |
| 21:37.52 | wps | my wife was running an eight year old titanium powerbook until a month ago |
| 21:37.59 | SunSparc | Yeah. I would be better if the video card was not dying. |
| 21:38.00 | fungus | but your lusting after the new version after only 1 year |
| 21:38.10 | SunSparc | Wow, 8 years. |
| 21:38.17 | wps | still running strong |
| 21:38.32 | wps | the only issue is flaky battery and broken display hinge |
| 21:38.37 | SunSparc | Running what? Textedit? |
| 21:38.41 | wps | and slow :) |
| 21:38.45 | wps | can't watch video on the internet |
| 21:38.49 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:38.55 | wps | but works for reading news and checking email |
| 21:39.06 | SunSparc | Not for MW2. |
| 21:39.08 | wps | and to thinkâ¦Â I used to run photoshop on that thing for years |
| 21:39.09 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:39.29 | SunSparc | Yeah, it is not that computers get slow, it is that software becomes more demanding. |
| 21:39.45 | fungus | and user's expectations grow |
| 21:39.52 | SunSparc | Yes |
| 21:39.58 | wps | I think user expectations is the biggest change |
| 21:40.07 | wps | funny |
| 21:40.26 | SunSparc | Did trevyn find an answer before he left? I was looking up something for him when my computer decided to die. |
| 21:41.31 | fungus | my G4 aluminum powerbook runs great after 5 or so years. But I wouldn't use for anything other than a pass around living room internet machine |
| 21:42.19 | fungus | The physical timeframe for a macbook may be 4 years or so, but the logical use timeframe is 2 years max |
| 21:42.33 | wps | the biggest frustration i have right now is that I can't install 10.6 on my Power Mac |
| 21:42.34 | wps | arrrrrg |
| 21:42.37 | fungus | unless you are resistant to increasing expectations |
| 21:43.20 | wps | all I want is the ms exchange goodness that came to Mail and iCal |
| 21:43.21 | fungus | heh, my old powerbook is still running Tiger, haven't bothered to upgrade it yet. |
| 21:43.52 | wps | if it was my only computer and I didn't know better it wouldn't be so bad |
| 21:44.01 | fungus | exactly. |
| 21:44.12 | wps | but my work computer is a new macbook pro so I get home and use my other and features I am used to are missing |
| 21:44.18 | fungus | but you see someone else run a really fast computer, and suddenlyyour computer sucks |
| 21:45.23 | fungus | for me, waiting out the second year of an old laptop is really hard. |
| 21:46.11 | justincarmony | lol |
| 21:46.13 | fungus | and my desktop is up about 6 months, I am soo excited I am buzzing |
| 21:48.07 | fungus | dreams of running WoW *twice*, a DVD playing, and Safari at the same time... |
| 21:51.01 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:57.08 | mindjuju | anybody have a CSS horizontal menu that looks nice and functional and OSS? |
| 22:06.04 | SunSparc | http://www.dynamicdrive.com/style/csslibrary/category/C1/ |
| 22:06.32 | SunSparc | http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/ |
| 22:32.13 | wps | http://www.firstpersontetris.com/ |
| 22:39.53 | wps | if you have &id=22 in your query string |
| 22:40.04 | wps | would that be seen as an integer or a numeric string? |
| 22:41.04 | DexterTheDragon | string |
| 22:41.08 | josephscott | depends, PHP can be fuzzy that way |
| 22:41.14 | josephscott | you can type cast it |
| 22:41.17 | wps | ~razor PHP |
| 22:41.18 | eggyknap | romanovic: anything interesting about databases, or the usual? :) |
| 22:41.40 | josephscott | $id = (int) $id |
| 22:43.28 | josephscott | This comes into play when doing compares |
| 22:43.32 | josephscott | == vs === |
| 22:46.03 | mindjuju | any CSS pros who want to help me trouble shoot a navbar? |
| 22:46.26 | wps | you have it up somewhere? |
| 22:46.39 | mindjuju | i'll pastebin.ca it |
| 22:46.55 | romanovic | eggyknap: 2nd day of class, not much interesting yet. |
| 22:47.08 | eggyknap | Bummer :) |
| 22:48.12 | romanovic | but it is an upper division cs class so i'm sure it will get more in-depth before long |
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| 22:50.19 | mindjuju | wps --> http://www.pastebin.ca/1751637 |
| 22:50.38 | mindjuju | the pastebin has the stuff from the css file and the stuff that invokes it in HTML |
| 22:51.07 | mindjuju | really, my problem is thist |
| 22:51.45 | mindjuju | when you sling that into an HTML page, you'll see the first two options look equally spaced amongst themselves, and the other 3 looking equally spaced, but both groups look different when you compare them |
| 22:52.14 | wps | any chance you can toss that code up on a public server somewhere? |
| 22:52.31 | mindjuju | i know it is because the length of the name is different, the first group both choices are long 2 words, the other 3 are smaller word choices |
| 22:54.22 | wps | that's because each have an equal, fixed width, opposed to being as wide as the text |
| 22:54.39 | wps | do you want them to only be as wide as their text? |
| 22:57.08 | wps | you'll need to remove the width on the LI then |
| 23:01.03 | josephscott | this is one reason why I love Firebug, you can edit things live (like CSS), figure out what it takes to make it work the way you want, then edit the CSS file |
| 23:02.24 | wps | that's why I asked him to put it up on a server |
| 23:02.28 | wps | so that I can see it |
| 23:02.36 | wps | but I much prefer Safari's inspector over firebug |
| 23:05.27 | josephscott | really? I still don't feel as at home in the Safari dev tools as I do in Firebug |
| 23:06.04 | wps | firebug (and firefox also) lack polish |
| 23:06.18 | wps | I'll give up extra features for a better experience |
| 23:07.00 | josephscott | there some things I like about the safari dev tools, and they do visually look nicer, but actually use wise I still prefer firebug |
| 23:07.52 | mindjuju | how do you get to the inspector in safari? |
| 23:08.11 | SunSparc | Right click |
| 23:08.15 | wps | cmd + opt + c |
| 23:08.35 | wps | (for console) |
| 23:08.39 | wps | cmd + opt + i |
| 23:08.41 | wps | (for inspector) |
| 23:08.57 | wps | you on a Mac, mindjuju ??? |
| 23:09.10 | josephscott | safari runs on windows |
| 23:09.21 | josephscott | also the inspector in chrome is essentially the same thing as safari |
| 23:09.31 | mindjuju | yeah, i'm using safari on windows |
| 23:09.32 | wps | except, once again, lacking polish |
| 23:09.48 | mindjuju | i've gone through all the enus but now looking in preferences, maybe i have to enable? |
| 23:10.26 | josephscott | wps: huh? they are virtually identical |
| 23:10.40 | mindjuju | it looks cool from the pics i've seen on google though |
| 23:10.50 | DexterTheDragon | its not safaris. its webkit's web inspector |
| 23:11.22 | josephscott | true |
| 23:11.54 | wps | it appears that they have updatedâ¦Â |
| 23:11.57 | wps | they are nearly identical now |
| 23:12.04 | wps | last time I looked there were some small differences |
| 23:12.26 | josephscott | there still are some small differences, I believe chrome's offers more features still |
| 23:13.06 | wps | my number one gripe about chrome is that it doesn't have the option to hide the tab bar when only one tab is open |
| 23:13.27 | josephscott | I'd like it to stop hogging up so much CPU |
| 23:15.46 | jtsnow | Chrome is wonderful compared to Firefox in terms of memory usage |
| 23:16.14 | jtsnow | every few hours I have to restart firefox because it's using over 1 GB of ram |
| 23:18.16 | josephscott | I've had both open for several days, they seem to be using roughly the same amount of memory |
| 23:18.17 | josephscott | though in fairness, I being using different sites in each |
| 23:18.22 | wps | I hate it when you waste tons of time trying to debug something and then discovered you didn't save your changes |
| 23:19.25 | fungus | wow, I just found the Resource tracking in Chrome |
| 23:19.30 | fungus | holy moly goodness |
| 23:21.26 | josephscott | fungus: some good stuff |
| 23:21.40 | josephscott | I don't like that it defaults to sort by response time |
| 23:21.45 | fungus | It even differentiates between latency and download |
| 23:21.50 | josephscott | I'd prefer start time, to see what order they load in |
| 23:21.53 | fungus | agreed |
| 23:22.38 | josephscott | firebug will provide those types of details as well, though as I've already talked about, visually it isn't as pretty :-) |
| 23:22.54 | wps | it's so hard to sneak candy with a 3 year old in the house |
| 23:23.06 | fungus | lol |
| 23:23.08 | wps | I'm as quiet as can be and then I look over my shoulder and there she is |
| 23:23.18 | wps | â¦standing behind me |
| 23:23.28 | wps | "dad, what are you getting?" |
| 23:23.35 | wps | dangâ¦Â caught |
| 23:23.45 | stderr | "some brussel sprouts" |
| 23:26.02 | fungus | oh wow, the full request and response headers for each individual request. |
| 23:26.09 | fungus | wow, debug gasm |
| 23:26.31 | fungus | no fancy add-on needed. all pretty, and built-in |
| 23:28.09 | wps | wow, you can now bind multiple event handlers simultaneously with jQuery 1.4 |
| 23:28.14 | wps | http://api.jquery.com/bind/ |
| 23:28.58 | josephscott | fungus: you need to get out more :-) |
| 23:29.08 | fungus | hehe, no kidding |
| 23:30.08 | wps | stderr: I apologize for not rememberingâ¦Â but when is/was your wedding? |
| 23:30.20 | stderr | July 17th |
| 23:30.31 | stderr | of this year |
| 23:30.53 | wps | that'd drive me crazy |
| 23:31.02 | wps | (waiting) |
| 23:31.39 | stderr | heh, my sister has been engaged for 3 years and we're STILL getting married before her. |
| 23:31.44 | wps | wow |
| 23:31.47 | wps | 3 years??? |
| 23:31.48 | stderr | actually I think it's more like 2 and a half |
| 23:32.16 | wps | speaking of getting out of the house |
| 23:32.22 | wps | come on up to soldier hollow saturday |
| 23:32.35 | wps | I'm racing in the snow shoe 5K |
| 23:33.09 | wps | there's no way I'll get my pregnant wife out there in the cold |
| 23:33.14 | wps | I need someone to cheer me on |
| 23:33.17 | stderr | oh sweet, optikal, Lone_Wanderer, and I (maybe eco too) are going snowshoeing on January 30th |
| 23:33.45 | stderr | if my camera body arrives on Saturday before said race, I might just go up there |
| 23:33.52 | stderr | when's it at? |
| 23:33.59 | fungus | lol |
| 23:35.05 | wps | http://www.bashwintertri.com/ |
| 23:36.23 | stderr | nice |
| 23:44.11 | wps | mysql rocks |
| 23:44.36 | stderr | does anyone here participate in any Photowalking events? |
| 23:44.36 | SunSparc | Are those like prayer rocks? |
| 23:44.40 | wps | check that out: http://drp.ly/dEQ3p |
| 23:45.32 | SunSparc | Nice |
| 23:45.38 | wps | I wanted to, stderr, but haven't ever made it out |
| 23:46.17 | wps | I love it when you can do that with mysql and not php |
| 23:46.18 | stderr | wps: you should come for the studio one, it'll be my first |
| 23:46.41 | wps | i'm getting a new lens as soon as my current project is done |
| 23:46.59 | stderr | nice whatcha getting |
| 23:47.10 | wps | canon f/1.4 USM |
| 23:47.46 | stderr | ah nice, I got the nikon f1.4D myself |
| 23:48.38 | wps | I've been in a crappy position the past few years |
| 23:48.53 | wps | I have some awesome lenses, but don't have a standard "portrait lens" |
| 23:48.58 | wps | a "nifty fifty" |
| 23:49.05 | stderr | hehe |
| 23:49.10 | stderr | what type of body do you have? |
| 23:49.28 | wps | canon 20D |
| 23:49.44 | wps | basically can't take pictures indoors unless it's daytime and I'm by a window |
| 23:49.55 | wps | which has been really frustrating because I have a really nice body |
| 23:49.58 | wps | (no jokes, please) |
| 23:50.18 | stderr | hehe |
| 23:50.24 | fungus | lol |
| 23:50.48 | stderr | http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-70-200mm-VR-II-Digital/dp/B002JCSV8U/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1263513035&sr=8-4 |
| 23:50.48 | fungus | bash.org material right there |
| 23:50.49 | stderr | once I get that lens I can die happy |
| 23:53.55 | *** join/#uphpu mindjuju (n=mindjuju@mail.billgood.us) |
| 23:53.58 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o mindjuju] by ChanServ |
| 23:55.42 | SunSparc | Holy cow stderr, that is quite a lens. |
| 23:57.28 | stderr | SunSparc: yea, my Dad has it, the bokeh and focusing speed are ridiculous |
| 23:57.52 | SunSparc | I should hope so. |
| 23:57.53 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:58.06 | wps | sorryâ¦Â I'm back |
| 23:58.14 | wps | that'd be awesome, stderr |
| 23:58.29 | wps | I just need a 50mm portrait lens to make me happy :) |
| 23:58.35 | fungus | holy shit... $2400! |
| 23:58.56 | mgeary | ~pottymouth fungus |
| 23:58.57 | stderr | if I can find one used for 1400-1800, I will buy that thing ON THE SPOT |
| 23:59.57 | fungus | lol, by buing on amazon you save $0.95 |