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03:21.41justincarmonyman, macports take forever to install sometimes
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15:47.45Utah_DaveHey, has anyone had any experience, good or bad, with Integra? We're getting bids on a DS3 and so far they've got the best price for our location.
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16:37.01mgearyromanovic-afk: ping
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16:56.27utahconstarting off as one of _those_ days
16:57.48DexterTheDragonhttp://www.sense.fm/192k-high.m3u
16:59.23DexterTheDragonmindjuju: ^
17:02.40jsmithutahcon: For you too, eh?
17:06.11utahconjsmith: I had high expectations for a Monday... didn't pan out.
17:06.23utahconI have yet to write any code... and I have had 0 distractions
17:08.15DexterTheDragon~seen beandog
17:08.16ibotbeandog <n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 2d 10h 10m 26s ago, saying: ':D'.
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17:18.29mindjujuugh, it doesn't happen very often, but when i'm wrong i'm wrong, and I admit it...
17:18.46mindjujualas, I was wrong about MS and their Winders 7 party being the dumbest thing i've ever seen
17:18.47mgearyyou've learned how much Windows & MSSQL suck?
17:18.49mindjujui stand corrected
17:18.51mindjujuhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/10/hilarious-microsoft.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
17:42.43utahconmindjuju: LOL - That is pretty old by internet standards.
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17:43.07mindjujuwhy didn't you post it then?
17:43.32mindjujumr. avante garde
17:43.36mindjuju:p
17:50.09PoeticIntensitybecause your momma is fat.
17:50.25macnewbolds/fat/phat/
17:58.12utahconmindjuju: IDK
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18:32.21fungusjust get a cheap bike, and throw it in the back.  Then you can park far away.  :)
18:34.58josephscottdo they make snow tires for bikes?
18:38.32DexterTheDragonhttp://blog.makezine.com/img_m534.jpg
18:40.00fungusI specified cheap because universities are the number one place bikes get stolen.  And that bike looks so cool, even I want to steal it.
18:43.22mgearyi want my two dollars!
18:46.12josephscottgee, johny, I don't have a dime
18:47.20mgearyTwo. Dollars. Plus Tip.
18:47.57josephscottMy little brother got his arm stuck in the microwave. So my mom had to take him to the hospital. My grandma dropped acid this morning, and she freaked out. She hijacked a busload of penguins. So it's sort of a family crisis. Bye!
18:48.29mgearyJohn Cusak is awesome
18:49.52josephscottmakes me want a mint condition classic black camaro
18:50.04josephscotthttp://betteroffdeadcamaro.com/
18:50.33mgearyhah
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18:50.50romanovichahaha speaking of bikes at the U... i took this pic last month...
18:50.52romanovichttp://www.romanovic.com/images/roofbike.jpg
18:52.06romanovicwas down on the business loop
19:03.56mindjujui ate my breakfast for lunch, now i'm hungry
19:04.00mindjuju...sigh...
19:05.12romanovicdoes apache cache server side includes?
19:05.45romanovicupdated an html file, uploaded to server, but the html file that includes it is not updated
19:09.28romanovicn/m. there were two nearly identical index files, the default was the one i wasn't expecting
19:09.38romanovicpebcak
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20:02.45mgearystderr: you going to pycon, perchance?
20:16.49stderrmgeary: neg, too busy in February to make it this year
20:16.58mgearybummer
20:17.05mgearyit'll be my first time
20:17.31stderryou should come to MWRC, I'll be at that
20:17.38stderrand the Utah Photocamp
20:18.00mgearymeh. i don't see myself getting into Ruby
20:18.07stderrsynic might be going to pycon
20:24.19DexterTheDragonwhats a good sip softphone for linux?
20:26.56fungusI've only used Ekiga
20:27.04fungusused to come preinstalled on ubuntu
20:27.34fungusworks fine afaict
20:35.00mindjujuseems like utah_dave mentioned that during his VOIP presentation a while back
20:43.58jsmithDexterTheDragon: I prefer Twinkle to Ekiga
21:05.32orsonjIt looks like empathy is the new ekiga on ubuntu
21:09.19herloit's voip stuff was broked last I heard.  Did they get that fixed?
21:12.13macnewboldi've tried twinkle I think
21:12.22macnewboldand never got ekiga installed on my freebsd
21:12.31macnewboldtwinkle worked pretty well
21:13.05macnewboldbenjam here at CG used a voip softphone to connect to us for nearly a year while he was in slovakia, but i think he was using a windows-only softphone
21:24.33brastowe have a working Samba install that shares several printers on the network here, but there's one thing not working for the Windows computers.  Normally in Windows if you browse to a network printer, it will install the printer driver.  However, that part is not working.  Any tips on getting that to work in Samba?
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21:37.23brasto~ping SambaMan
21:37.24ibotpong SambaMan
21:37.47brasto~give SambaExpert a big tip for helping brasto
21:37.48ibotACTION gives a big tip for helping brasto to SambaExpert
21:40.46mgearyanyone here worked on a blog hosted at wordpress.com before?
21:40.58mgearyi need to know how much control they give you
21:41.18mgearywe've worked on wp blogs that we host, but never on one at wp.com
21:41.29mindjujui was just going to say
21:42.12josephscottmgeary: was there a specific blog, URL?
21:43.59josephscotta standard blog on wordpress.com is fairly limited, though there are some upgrades, like CSS, that allow for more control
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22:33.07mgeary~rlart
22:33.08ibotstrangles cro with a 9-pole serial cable
22:33.18SunSparc~rlart
22:33.18ibotputs utahcon into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of utahcon's hair of
22:35.11mindjujui want some pie
22:35.31SunSparc~pie mindjuju
22:35.32ibotACTION hits mindjuju in the face with a cream pie
22:35.40mindjujudag!
22:35.44mindjujuhow rude!
22:35.50SunSparcYou asked for it.
22:36.03SunSparcOr did you want a different kind of pie?
22:36.08SunSparc~pi mindjuju
22:36.09mindjujukey lime pie
22:36.20mindjujua nice light pie
22:36.27brastoany opinions on split dns?  I'm looking here: http://www.bind9.net/manual/bind/9.3.1/Bv9ARM.ch04.html#AEN767
22:36.27brastoone comment says there is some debate on whether it is actually useful
22:36.36SunSparc~pi
22:36.37ibothmm... pi is 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091
22:37.04brastosweet, I didn't know ibot could calculate that many places so fast! lol
22:37.21mgearyi'll bet it didn't calculate it ;)
22:37.30brastoyea, i don't think it did
22:37.31brastolol
22:38.18brasto~pie SunSparc
22:38.19ibotACTION hits SunSparc in the face with a cream pie
22:39.26SunSparcHmmm, pie.  :)  Thanks brasto.
22:39.36brastoanytime!
22:40.35brastothe channel has this welcome message:
22:40.38brastoThe topic for #bind9 is: Welcome to #BIND9, the channel dedicated to unix, LDAP, bondage, whatever, and mixed drinks. Yes, we answer DNS and BIND questions as well.
22:40.44brastoso, it's a valid channel
22:40.51brastothere's only one dude there... me.
22:41.07brastoso, I don't think they'll be answering many questions there...
22:41.16brasto~split dns
22:42.00herlobrasto: that's the way it goes sometimes...
22:42.46brastofortunately, herlo, the #bind channel seems to have a much bigger attendance than just me.
22:42.55herlohehe
22:42.59fungusfor pi nerds... http://www.angio.net/pi/piquery
22:44.29fungusbrasto, there are many situations where split-dns is handy.  I use it myself.
22:45.22herlome too
22:45.47mindjujubrasto, you feeling the peer pressure now?
22:45.58brastowe are thinking of implementing it here because some requests go out to the internet and then try to come back in and it can cause problems.
22:46.08fungushowever... if you don't have to use it, don't bother.
22:46.32herlobrasto: that's a good reason to use it...or firewall rules
22:46.36brastolol, mindjuju yea, the pressure is killing me!
22:47.12brastoyea, it wouldn't be for obscurity, as suggested in the documentation above, but to keep things from going out and back in.
22:47.24fungusIf you firewall is working optimally, you don't need split dns for that reason.
22:47.33brastoNext question is whether split dns is the best way to do it, or if there are other ways that work.
22:48.02brastoah, fungus, so firewall can do it too?
22:48.30fungusIt's usually not a big deal for requests to go to the firewall just to come back in.
22:49.49macnewboldif that is what I think it is, we use it too... it's awesome
22:50.01macnewboldour router gives internal people one DNS answer, and external people get real answers
22:50.10fungusbut if you don't have to use it, the administrative overhead is no needed.
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22:55.06brasto1got disconnected, so if anyone said anything since the time I said "ah, fungus, so firewall can do it too?", I missed it.
22:56.16fungusI didn't mean a firewall can do split dns.  I meant that using split dns to avoid going to the firewall is usually a lame reason.
22:56.21fungusunless your firewall sucks...
22:58.15justincarmonyjosephscott: what bug did you squish?
22:58.33josephscottsomething that hasn't been announced yet
22:58.35brasto1oh, no it's not for that.
22:58.47justincarmonyah, fun stuff :P
22:59.23DexterTheDragonjosephscott: you can tell us. we won't tell anyone else
23:00.00josephscotthopefully I'll get it wrapped up soon(~ish), then we can talk about it all you want :-)
23:00.38utahconsecurity bug
23:02.42brastodid you do some of the programming for WordPerfect mgeary?
23:02.47mgearynah
23:03.12mgearyi actually didn't work for them when they were WP. I worked for Novell back in 1994-95, right before the wheels flew off
23:03.39Utah_DaveWP still means WordPerfect in my shop!
23:05.27josephscottI never really understood the Novell + WordPerfect deal, only thing I could figure what the Novell was bailing out WordPerfect
23:06.59brastoyea, Utah_Dave, I usually mean WordPerfect still when I say WP, but more often it means wordpress now... it's a bit confusing, so I often now say the whole name of whichever.
23:07.30justincarmonylol
23:07.48brastoNovell sold WordPerfect to Corel because it needed to be an office suite in order to compete with Microsoft.
23:07.58justincarmonywhile reading that, I thought josephscott said "the Novell + WordPress deal" and I was like "What? When did they make a deal?!"
23:08.15josephscotthaha
23:08.15unumthe microsoft offered corel a bunch of mone to fire their ceo
23:08.38josephscottbrasto: no, I mean why in the world would Novell buy WordPerfect (back in the day), didn't seem to make any sense
23:08.39unumand then corel stopped trying to really compete with ms
23:08.43brastoand Corel Linux died
23:08.56unumall of this right in middle of an anti trust suit again ms
23:09.05unumbrasto: it was spun off when the ceo was  fired
23:09.05josephscottcorel linux, man, back when everyone and their brother had a distro
23:09.09brastoI thought Novell wrote it, rather than bought it.
23:09.23brastoyea, it's xandros now
23:09.34brastoand xandros is so Windows-like, that it sucks.
23:10.07unumI think the ceo actually was heading that company up
23:10.41brastocorel linux, the only reason to get it was because you got all of the office suite for less, and with it's own operating system.
23:10.53brastoit didn't even have usb support.
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