| 00:01.38 | justincarmony | lol :) |
| 00:28.10 | josephscott | *cough* nginx FTW! *cough* |
| 00:35.55 | romanovic | mgeary: you still in? |
| 00:36.03 | mgeary | i am |
| 00:36.04 | mgeary | hi |
| 00:38.29 | romanovic | howsit? its so quiet after 5pm, and i work till 6 or 7 most days... |
| 00:38.54 | romanovic | i responded to your last email, but i think it just missed you before you left for Christmas |
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| 00:47.45 | josephscott | someone mentioned lighttpd |
| 00:48.58 | utahcon_ | oh |
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| 01:18.11 | tierra | ~ie-- |
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| 01:27.35 | DexterTheDragon | ~karma ie |
| 01:27.35 | ibot | ie has karma of -667 |
| 01:27.41 | DexterTheDragon | oh you ruined it |
| 01:31.29 | tierra | but then I can't express my rage anymore... |
| 01:40.14 | Dezertol | just have to wait for someone to + id |
| 01:40.21 | Dezertol | err.. I mean + ie |
| 01:40.32 | Dezertol | it could be a while |
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| 03:03.12 | beandog | what a crazy day |
| 03:06.00 | herlo | oh? |
| 03:06.11 | beandog | yah |
| 03:06.18 | beandog | and Im still not done |
| 03:07.13 | herlo | oh? did you get a job? |
| 03:07.37 | beandog | no |
| 03:07.42 | beandog | not yet |
| 03:07.48 | herlo | oh. Must be the gentoo stuff?? |
| 03:07.51 | beandog | Im doing consulting for one of my old jobs though |
| 03:07.51 | DexterTheDragon | did you get a kitten? |
| 03:07.56 | beandog | theyre running me ragged right now |
| 03:08.13 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: no, thinking about getting a dog though to keep me company |
| 03:11.30 | herlo | beandog: ahh, so money is in your future :) |
| 03:11.59 | beandog | well, some change |
| 03:14.18 | beandog | okay |
| 03:14.24 | beandog | I thought Id seen some creepy youtube videos |
| 03:14.32 | beandog | but people talking to their pets tops quite a few of them |
| 04:18.02 | Zelut | is this syntax not right? if(!filter_var($url, FILTER_VALIDATE_URL, FILTER_FLAG_HOST_REQUIRED)) |
| 04:18.40 | Zelut | I'm not getting the validation I expect.. |
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| 04:22.31 | Zelut | it shows valid if _anything_ is after the http://. Doesn't seem to require a .tld as I would expect. |
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| 13:53.20 | swb | heather: ha. weird (to your earlier comment about thank yous) |
| 13:54.34 | swb | oops, wrong window |
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| 16:01.25 | supernovia | so ... :-/ Does anyone here use Flex? or have an opinion on it? |
| 16:04.45 | jtsnow | I have been fiddling with it a bit |
| 16:04.50 | jsmith | supernovia: It's OK... not great, just OK |
| 16:05.15 | supernovia | I signed up for this vaguely titled on-demand topic class |
| 16:05.23 | jsmith | supernovia: (If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything starts taking on the appearance of a nail) |
| 16:05.34 | jsmith | supernovia: (that's my opinion of Flex... they see everything as a nail) |
| 16:06.03 | supernovia | I have never even touched it |
| 16:06.29 | supernovia | and the Advanced Web Dev class I signed up for turns out to be a group project in Flex |
| 16:06.39 | jtsnow | I think it's great for visualizations |
| 16:07.19 | jtsnow | Benefits making an entire application in flex is debatable, though |
| 16:07.32 | supernovia | Yeah |
| 16:07.54 | supernovia | I will definitely agree with you there... which is why I sort of stopped using Flash almost 10 years ago |
| 16:08.45 | supernovia | but I'm thinking it could be worth learning anyhow, for the challenge if nothing else. The group & project seem like lots of fun |
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| 16:10.30 | supernovia | but yeah i was just wondering if anyone here used it much.. supposing wps might have & I'm not sure who else |
| 16:11.01 | wps | I have no experience with flex |
| 16:11.07 | wps | and only a little in flash |
| 16:11.38 | supernovia | ah. that's where I am too |
| 16:11.59 | wps | I have no interest in the technology |
| 16:12.06 | wps | and wish that it didn't exist for the most part |
| 16:12.13 | supernovia | hehe |
| 16:14.00 | mgeary | i have done some flex & flash work |
| 16:14.04 | mgeary | what was the question? |
| 16:14.11 | supernovia | I actually asked the instructor if this HAD to be done in Flex since it could go just as well in HTML5+CSS3 |
| 16:15.12 | supernovia | Just trying to get people's thoughts on it --- debating whether it'd be worth learning this semester |
| 16:15.31 | mgeary | well, there's a lot of demand for Flex experience |
| 16:15.40 | mgeary | if you're good you can charge quite a bit for it |
| 16:16.09 | mgeary | and the Flex paradigm is, i believe, much more oriented at a traditional developer than Flash historically has been |
| 16:16.14 | supernovia | Well, and if nothing else I thought the project would be great in my portfolio |
| 16:18.15 | supernovia | (not the whole project of course but the parts I did and the fact that I was involved) |
| 16:18.41 | supernovia | oi. |
| 16:19.35 | supernovia | anyway if anyone else has an opinion on it and wants to msg me, feel free. :) |
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| 16:22.37 | supernovia | and thanks for your input, guys. |
| 16:26.03 | eggyknap | On the NoSQL subject, that came up yesterday, I found this an interesting reference: http://www.vineetgupta.com/2010/01/nosql-databases-part-1-landscape.html |
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| 16:30.52 | herlo | supernovia: there is a flex user group iirc |
| 16:31.28 | supernovia | I'm sure there is |
| 16:32.05 | herlo | http://flexusergroup.org/about.html |
| 16:32.07 | mgeary | finding a good flex IRC resource, on the other hand, has been challenging |
| 16:32.10 | herlo | apparently, that's it |
| 16:32.18 | supernovia | and I might go check it out if I decide to stay in the class but I'm guessing if I asked them whether it'd be worth learning here in utah they might have a slightly skewed opinion |
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| 16:35.20 | supernovia | anyway I am going to weigh it out - I've got a week to decide (if I can keep my calendar straight that is) |
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| 16:36.26 | supernovia | hehe, looking at their site though I can see why they love flex |
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| 16:48.13 | supernovia | herlo: sorry, I read irc |
| 16:49.01 | wps | I thought that the Flex Users Group merged with the Flash users group |
| 16:49.22 | mgeary | yeah |
| 16:49.32 | mgeary | i believe it's now the Flash Platform users group, or somesuch |
| 16:49.42 | wps | and they meet at Rain in AF |
| 16:49.58 | wps | I don't know if there's a group in SL |
| 16:50.00 | supernovia | oh yeah? |
| 16:50.36 | mgeary | i founded the Utah Director & Flash User Group (udfug) back in 1999 |
| 16:50.50 | wps | waitâ¦Â it was UDFUG that merged wtih UFLASH |
| 16:50.56 | mgeary | managed it for 8 years |
| 16:51.01 | supernovia | wowsers |
| 16:51.01 | wps | I don't know about the flex users group |
| 16:51.16 | wps | that's longer than UPHPU's been around |
| 16:51.24 | supernovia | My group all knows flex well I guess |
| 16:51.51 | wps | just read an awesome tweet: |
| 16:51.56 | wps | I'd like to turn every extra bloat char in the HTML output from MS Word into a brick and drop it on the head of the ***** who designed it. |
| 16:52.15 | supernovia | hehe wps |
| 16:52.16 | wps | I should have put that in quotes |
| 16:52.23 | wps | I am not the author |
| 16:53.17 | supernovia | hi utahcon :) |
| 16:53.21 | utahcon | hey supernovia ! |
| 16:53.28 | Zelut | erg it is so dead at work these days. frustrating, but giving me a lot of time for PHP. |
| 16:53.37 | supernovia | what did you figure out? |
| 16:53.40 | wps | http://twitter.com/jasonhuck/status/7523969177 |
| 16:54.05 | utahcon | PHP::SoapClient |
| 16:54.17 | utahcon | in regards to CareerBuilders backasswards API |
| 16:54.26 | wps | hadn't heard of them before Zelut asked about them last night |
| 16:54.45 | supernovia | ahhh, feels so good to figure out backasswards stuff doesn't it |
| 16:54.45 | wps | I wish you could edit tweets |
| 16:54.46 | Zelut | wps: I still haven't found an answer to that question, btw. |
| 16:55.10 | supernovia | well, *sigh* .. I guess I |
| 16:55.41 | supernovia | I guess I need an enter key that is farther from my '. But other than that. I also guess I ought to go get my shower and get out of here |
| 16:55.57 | supernovia | busy semester. Thanks again all :) |
| 16:57.19 | utahcon | go shower SuperNotHere !!! |
| 16:57.29 | mgeary | ~miss thebigdog |
| 16:57.30 | ibot | ACTION whips a six shooter from her hip and fires just to the right of thebigdog. |
| 16:57.52 | SuperNotHere | see ya utahcon :) |
| 16:59.33 | beandog | macnewbold: ping |
| 17:17.37 | DexterTheDragon | http://xkcd.com/686/ |
| 17:18.45 | beandog | heh |
| 17:20.59 | mgeary | woot. my new Sorel boots are on the truck to be delivered today |
| 17:22.00 | Zelut | xkcd ftw, and I love that he's included irssi in the output. irssi ftw++ |
| 17:23.40 | beandog | oh, poo |
| 17:23.43 | beandog | everydns gets bought out |
| 17:23.45 | beandog | http://www.dyn.com/everydns-aquisition |
| 17:26.11 | wps | oh no |
| 17:26.14 | wps | better not change |
| 17:26.17 | wps | I LOVE everydns |
| 17:31.35 | SuperNotHere | "We aim to be the only authoritative DNS service provider with a DNS solution for everyone, from the home user to the enterprise" ~Jeremy Hitchcock, Dyn Inc. CEO |
| 17:32.46 | SuperNotHere | world domination |
| 17:32.57 | SuperNotHere | anyway. I really am not here. See ya guys. |
| 17:38.46 | wps | that's like when jsmith-away responds to something |
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| 18:11.19 | jsmith-away | wps: What are you talking about? |
| 18:11.39 | wps | good morning |
| 18:11.49 | jsmith | Good afternoon! |
| 18:12.02 | beandog | goodness. |
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| 18:23.49 | beandog | SunSparc: pingeh |
| 18:24.13 | SunSparc | ? |
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| 19:11.57 | mindjuju | beandog, you do C++ don't you? |
| 19:12.04 | beandog | mindjuju: mm, no |
| 19:12.16 | beandog | mindjuju: Im a noob at it |
| 19:12.39 | mindjuju | ah, for some reason i thought you did |
| 19:14.38 | jsmith | mindjuju: What's your question? |
| 19:14.54 | mindjuju | wasn't a question, it was an opportunity |
| 19:14.57 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:15.15 | jtsnow | mindjuju: what is the opportunity? |
| 19:15.19 | jtsnow | :) |
| 19:15.34 | mindjuju | uno momento por favor |
| 19:16.34 | mindjuju | 60k - 80k - C++ dev - http://provo.craigslist.org/sof/1541658289.html |
| 19:17.13 | jtsnow | cool |
| 19:17.50 | mindjuju | that is in orem though i think it was |
| 19:18.09 | mindjuju | orem is decent enough though |
| 19:18.22 | mindjuju | or at least it owuld be if they'd freakin' finish UTOPIA |
| 19:25.45 | herlo | lol, it's never gonna happen |
| 19:26.54 | unum | haha I have utopia |
| 19:29.50 | beandog | I bet that goes well with your beard |
| 19:30.53 | fungus | why, yes it does. |
| 19:59.02 | mgeary | i love that my machine can render AfterEffects video at faster than real-time |
| 19:59.17 | mgeary | 8 processors++ |
| 20:02.59 | supernovia | fungus has a beard? |
| 20:04.23 | utahcon | supernovia: no |
| 20:04.36 | mgeary | well, he THINKS he does |
| 20:04.53 | utahcon | there was an 8 in the sentence at one point |
| 20:05.07 | utahcon | mgeary: what chip(s) are you running? |
| 20:05.09 | supernovia | hehe, I was going to say |
| 20:05.33 | mgeary | utahcon: i've got 2 3.2 Ghz Quad-Core Intel Xeons |
| 20:05.43 | utahcon | yeah still hate you :D |
| 20:05.47 | mgeary | hahah |
| 20:05.56 | fungus | mgeary: in your _desktop_? |
| 20:05.57 | utahcon | I am rocking (in my best machine) an AMD X2 |
| 20:05.59 | mgeary | fungus: yeah |
| 20:06.05 | fungus | dude!? wtf? |
| 20:06.10 | fungus | <- jealous. |
| 20:06.16 | mgeary | with 6GB ram |
| 20:06.17 | mgeary | :D |
| 20:06.30 | mgeary | actually, it was, IMO, a really great deal |
| 20:06.38 | mgeary | paid like $2200 for it |
| 20:07.17 | mgeary | after using my G5 dual machine for 5 years |
| 20:07.26 | supernovia | I have a laptop I bought new for $500 or so 2 years ago |
| 20:07.44 | fungus | what do you run on it? linux? hackintosh? |
| 20:07.53 | supernovia | and it sucketh |
| 20:08.04 | fungus | ~mbp supernovia |
| 20:08.05 | ibot | ACTION puts another nickel in supernovia's "Get a MacBook Pro" jar |
| 20:08.06 | utahcon | supernovia: me too@! |
| 20:08.17 | utahcon | I am looking at upgrading all my systems this year |
| 20:08.23 | supernovia | Thanks fungus :) |
| 20:08.34 | supernovia | I have to wait one more year on this one I think |
| 20:08.50 | supernovia | in fact I just got a box to send it in for repairs... left hinge is cracked |
| 20:08.57 | utahcon | hinges suck |
| 20:09.08 | fungus | I'm saving my pennies for a crazy gaming rig later this year. |
| 20:09.26 | mgeary | supernovia: 'cause everything bends? |
| 20:09.26 | fungus | just before the next wow expansion |
| 20:09.36 | supernovia | From the top of my head, yes |
| 20:09.50 | supernovia | actually the top of my head doesn't bend though. I never understood that |
| 20:10.09 | mgeary | well, good thing you've got hinges, lest you crack |
| 20:10.28 | supernovia | Exactly. Unless, like my poor little lenovo, the hinges happen to crack too. |
| 20:10.43 | Zelut | must keep eyes open. must finish chapter on array-specific functions. |
| 20:12.15 | supernovia | 15? |
| 20:12.26 | utahcon | cd 15 :D |
| 20:12.36 | supernovia | Ah |
| 20:12.56 | supernovia | ah I love their mario remix :) |
| 20:13.44 | supernovia | http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/song/Techno+00+Happy+Hardcore+Super+Mario+Bros+Techno+Remix+Mp3/2209474 :-) |
| 20:14.34 | supernovia | what I love best: my kids start cleaning the apt every time it plays. Yay! |
| 20:14.34 | DexterTheDragon | utahcon: I got the clubland x-treme hardcore series |
| 20:18.51 | utahcon | I think you shared some of those with me too |
| 20:18.52 | utahcon | I think |
| 20:19.03 | utahcon | supernovia: your kids are odd |
| 20:19.13 | utahcon | I would start eating mushrooms and jumping on turtles |
| 20:19.14 | supernovia | they take after their mother |
| 20:19.33 | utahcon | lol -- I wouldn't call you odd... okay may I might |
| 20:19.36 | utahcon | but in a good way |
| 20:19.49 | utahcon | you are oddsome! (pronounced like a screwy awesome) |
| 20:19.49 | supernovia | hehe, thanks utahcon :-D |
| 20:20.54 | utahcon | Mt Dew + Happy Hardcore + caffienated breath mints = a utahcon that can't focus |
| 20:22.09 | supernovia | that's exactly why I don't drink caffeine.. I have enough problems focusing anyway :-p |
| 20:27.30 | justincarmony | Happy Hardcore? |
| 20:29.17 | mgeary | excuse me? |
| 20:29.19 | DexterTheDragon | justincarmony: think techno if you had OD'd on caffeine |
| 20:29.30 | justincarmony | lol |
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| 20:31.59 | mgeary | supernovia: http://ffdmag-en.software.alfa.javatech.com.pl/download-1-2010 |
| 20:32.51 | supernovia | ah, thanks mgeary :) |
| 20:33.03 | wps | "flash and flex" |
| 20:33.06 | supernovia | I am still debating whether to stick with it |
| 20:33.15 | supernovia | I keep calling it "flesh" on accident |
| 20:36.10 | fungus | now that's a scary google search |
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| 20:36.25 | supernovia | heheh yeah it is |
| 20:36.43 | wps | yeahâ¦Â did they say the name of their mag out loud before deciding it was a good idea? |
| 20:38.05 | DexterTheDragon | utahcon: do you have Bonkers: The Original Hardcore? |
| 20:38.26 | wps | what happened to this channel? |
| 20:38.39 | mgeary | "her fault" |
| 20:39.33 | supernovia | hehe |
| 20:49.15 | justincarmony | lol |
| 20:49.25 | justincarmony | so, whats something cool someone has done w/ PHP lately? |
| 20:50.41 | mgeary | abandoned it in favor of python/django? |
| 20:52.42 | jsmith | justincarmony: Let's see... imported about five different types of data (including mining some of it from archaic HTML, and some of it from XML files), and pushed it to three different CMS systems |
| 20:53.10 | justincarmony | lol, mgeary I actually want to learn python/django |
| 20:53.42 | mgeary | yes you do |
| 20:54.46 | josephscott | I wouldn't mind spending some time digging into python (I'll get over the white space thing some day), not sure I'm interested in learning YAF (yet another framework) |
| 20:57.55 | fungus | josephscott, but isn't YAF the next big thing... |
| 20:58.03 | fungus | You gotta learn YAF |
| 20:59.41 | supernovia | that's the problem.. it kinda is :-p |
| 21:00.12 | josephscott | if it's for the web I'm more than likely going to write in PHP, just not all that crazy about learning several frameworks. Feels like having 13 copies of the microsoft dev stack |
| 21:00.14 | supernovia | and it will be in a few years too |
| 21:00.22 | supernovia | hehe |
| 21:03.40 | influx | YAF? |
| 21:04.05 | influx | oh |
| 21:04.07 | influx | derp |
| 21:04.58 | supernovia | although if you've got some awesome job security you don't have to worry about it |
| 21:06.06 | josephscott | gah, twitter, darn it, I thought you figured out the scaling problems, can you please just stay up for a bit |
| 21:09.57 | justincarmony | can you run python w/o django for the web? |
| 21:10.11 | fungus | of course |
| 21:10.25 | fungus | there are actually many different frameworks written for python |
| 21:10.31 | fungus | django is just one of them |
| 21:10.34 | jtsnow | a lot of them even implement their own web server |
| 21:10.44 | fungus | ick, like RoR |
| 21:10.55 | stderr | ... |
| 21:10.59 | jsmith | cobol on cogs? |
| 21:11.11 | stderr | RoR, like Django, has a builtin webserver for local testing purposes. |
| 21:11.27 | fungus | http://cousinavi.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/ror.jpg |
| 21:11.40 | stderr | Explain the "ick" factor, fungus. |
| 21:11.53 | supernovia | oh no..hehhe |
| 21:11.55 | fungus | ick as in using it for production |
| 21:12.05 | jsmith | Yeah, what's wrong with RoR (except that Ruby and I don't get along) |
| 21:12.06 | stderr | well that would be ick for any developer dumb enough to do so. |
| 21:12.26 | fungus | I've seen an implementation dock that uses nginx to loadbalance a bunch of webrick servers |
| 21:12.32 | fungus | s/dock/doc/ |
| 21:12.36 | stderr | well that's not RoR's fault. |
| 21:12.55 | fungus | nope, not at all |
| 21:12.58 | stderr | Just like any developer dumb enough to serve Django's builtin web server in production would be "ick". It's platform agnostic. |
| 21:13.36 | fungus | I guess I have a bad taste for these dev servers. |
| 21:13.44 | stderr | gem install mongrel |
| 21:13.45 | fungus | but I guess in reality they are handy |
| 21:13.54 | jtsnow | Tornado is supposedly an excellent web server written in python... |
| 21:14.03 | stderr | Tada, RoR will automatically use mongrel (a web server written in C) for development. |
| 21:14.10 | stderr | instead of Webrick |
| 21:15.30 | stderr | (Webrick has been deprecated since before Rails 2) |
| 21:15.33 | jtsnow | I think Facebook developed/uses tornado |
| 21:15.45 | fungus | I really like apache though. it feels comfortable |
| 21:16.03 | stderr | I don't particularly like apache anymore. |
| 21:16.18 | stderr | but that's neither here nor there, I just came into clean up the implied FUD. |
| 21:16.22 | stderr | back to work. |
| 21:26.13 | beandog | yay |
| 21:27.55 | beandog | By Grepthar's Hammer .. what a savings |
| 21:29.05 | jsmith | beandog: Good one! |
| 21:29.24 | macnewbold | sweet |
| 21:29.30 | jsmith | beandog: My wife is a big-time Trekkie, but I think she likes Galaxy Quest even more than the Wrath of Khan... |
| 21:30.18 | beandog | jsmith: oh man, me too |
| 21:30.20 | beandog | it is so funny |
| 21:30.25 | macnewbold | hilarious |
| 21:30.32 | macnewbold | and i love the new Star Trek |
| 21:30.45 | macnewbold | they need to do more movies and a new "re-original" TV series with that cast |
| 21:30.47 | macnewbold | they rocked |
| 21:32.41 | mgeary | abso-freaking-lutely loved Galaxy Quest |
| 21:34.45 | justincarmony | man, I'm having a hard time focusing today |
| 21:35.35 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:35.51 | mindjuju | next geek lunch we should go to mac's place |
| 21:36.00 | herlo | the green pig? |
| 21:36.05 | mindjuju | i mean the spot macnewbold recommended way back when that turned out to be REALLY good |
| 21:36.18 | herlo | or rather, the Greene Pig? |
| 21:36.22 | herlo | :-P |
| 21:36.31 | mindjuju | i think its in sandy |
| 21:36.33 | herlo | that was just for macnewbold |
| 21:36.40 | herlo | oh, you mean indian food |
| 21:36.44 | herlo | India House |
| 21:36.51 | mindjuju | yeah, that's it |
| 21:36.59 | mindjuju | india house |
| 21:37.06 | herlo | okay, it's been decided |
| 21:37.08 | supernovia-afk | when is the next geek lunch? I never seem to be able to make it |
| 21:37.27 | herlo | Jan 29, 12:30pm - 2pm @ india house |
| 21:37.32 | herlo | supernovia-afk: always 4th friday |
| 21:37.38 | herlo | except where noted |
| 21:37.47 | mindjuju | like the swb, special lunch |
| 21:37.51 | herlo | ya |
| 21:37.54 | mindjuju | which was fun times, i must say |
| 21:37.57 | herlo | we could do the three county one |
| 21:38.14 | supernovia-afk | swb = fun times |
| 21:38.17 | herlo | and do Bombay House in Provo and somewhere good in Ogden that justincarmony picks (or anyone else for that matter) |
| 21:38.27 | mindjuju | that no worky |
| 21:38.45 | mindjuju | bom-freakin-bay house doesn't open until like 4p i think |
| 21:38.57 | mindjuju | i tried that once before, and had egg on my face from it |
| 21:39.08 | supernovia | hehe |
| 21:39.09 | herlo | oright |
| 21:39.11 | herlo | hrm... |
| 21:39.19 | mindjuju | there are other places in provo though |
| 21:39.21 | herlo | well, then utah county is out... |
| 21:39.23 | mindjuju | we'll figure something out |
| 21:39.24 | herlo | mindjuju: like? |
| 21:40.03 | mindjuju | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=indian+provo&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=60.935792,71.367188&ie=UTF8&hq=indian&hnear=Provo,+UT&t=h&z=14 |
| 21:40.11 | herlo | mindjuju: that don't work |
| 21:40.11 | mindjuju | i should have tiny-ed that |
| 21:40.13 | mindjuju | sorry |
| 21:40.25 | herlo | ~tinyurl http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=indian+provo&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=60.935792,71.367188&ie=UTF8&hq=indian&hnear=Provo,+UT&t=h&z=14 |
| 21:40.26 | ibot | ACTION runs '/exec tinyurl.sh http://maps.google.com//maps/ms?ie=UTF8&addr=http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=indian+provo&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=60.935792,71.367188&ie=UTF8&hq=indian&hnear=Provo,+UT&t=h&z=14' and laughs maniacally! |
| 21:40.27 | supernovia | Olive garden? :-/ |
| 21:40.47 | herlo | mindjuju: no, I meant, you need to *know* a good indian place in Utah county for it to work |
| 21:40.47 | mindjuju | yeah, that's not really indian |
| 21:40.48 | mindjuju | heh |
| 21:40.53 | herlo | lol |
| 21:40.54 | mindjuju | oh |
| 21:41.08 | herlo | because if you don't know of one, I wouldn't dare... |
| 21:41.10 | herlo | :) |
| 21:41.15 | herlo | well, I would, but some wouldn't |
| 21:41.17 | mindjuju | well, i might could stop by india palace and see how the fare is |
| 21:41.51 | supernovia | I've been there once.. I thought it was good |
| 21:42.09 | herlo | oh, that's the one on Center Street? |
| 21:42.13 | supernovia | Yeah. |
| 21:42.16 | herlo | I've been there, *excellent* |
| 21:44.10 | supernovia | do we get lots of people at the ut co geek lunches? |
| 21:44.20 | mindjuju | in the past we have |
| 21:44.26 | mindjuju | except for once when we did bbq |
| 21:44.42 | mindjuju | biggest turn out for utah geek lunch in the UC was about 28 |
| 21:44.46 | mindjuju | mgeary was at that one |
| 21:44.54 | mindjuju | WAY good times at brick house |
| 21:45.00 | mindjuju | err, brick something |
| 21:45.04 | supernovia | brick oven? |
| 21:45.10 | mindjuju | that's the place |
| 21:45.40 | supernovia | well, I can probably make it to the one on the 29th |
| 21:46.35 | herlo | brick house is a better name :) |
| 21:46.38 | herlo | like the song :) |
| 21:46.43 | herlo | it's a brick |
| 21:46.45 | herlo | HOUSE! |
| 21:46.48 | herlo | mighty mighty |
| 21:46.55 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:46.58 | justincarmony | we doing indian food for geek lunch? |
| 21:47.01 | supernovia | seriously |
| 21:47.13 | herlo | justincarmony: ya, gotta place in Ogdens? |
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| 21:49.37 | justincarmony | i dunno yet, lets see... |
| 21:49.48 | justincarmony | DexterTheDragon: do you know of an indian place? |
| 21:53.47 | mindjuju | true that, i had a HARD time draging DtD to Himilayan kitchen |
| 21:53.52 | mindjuju | and that place has GREAT eats |
| 21:54.02 | justincarmony | what about http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&source=hp&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=indian+food+layton+ut&fb=1&gl=us&hq=indian+food&hnear=layton+ut&cid=10643278285033743585&dtab=2&pcsi=10643278285033743585,2&ei=UqlHS5jNFIXSsgO48eH1Dw&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAwQnQIwAA |
| 21:54.08 | justincarmony | Taste of Indian |
| 21:54.10 | justincarmony | in Layton |
| 21:54.22 | herlo | justincarmony: we can't click that so easily, punk |
| 21:54.26 | herlo | ~tinyurl justincarmony |
| 21:54.27 | ibot | ACTION runs '/exec tinyurl.sh http://maps.google.com//maps/ms?ie=UTF8&addr=justincarmony' and laughs maniacally! |
| 21:54.44 | mgeary | ~kick ibot |
| 21:54.44 | ibot | ACTION kicks ibot |
| 21:54.48 | mindjuju | which reminds me, the beandog no eat inidian food either |
| 21:54.58 | herlo | he can eat the rice |
| 21:55.02 | justincarmony | http://tinyurl.com/ye2gyw4 |
| 21:55.11 | herlo | and he can have some pakoras |
| 21:55.18 | herlo | and he can have the naan |
| 21:55.33 | DexterTheDragon | there's a meal. rice and bread |
| 21:55.41 | herlo | but I bet fungus will show up :) |
| 21:55.51 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: pakoras have meat |
| 21:55.57 | herlo | or protein generally |
| 21:56.31 | fungus | Indian places almost always have a decent selection of fungus safe food |
| 21:56.53 | mindjuju | i've just decided, i'm going to refer to the beandog in the third person |
| 21:57.24 | herlo | fungus: yuppas |
| 21:57.29 | supernovia | that's how everyone refers to my brother, the Gik |
| 21:57.37 | mgeary | don't you pretty much always refer to beandog in the third person? |
| 21:57.47 | mgeary | except when you're talking TO him |
| 21:57.52 | supernovia | hehe |
| 21:58.17 | mindjuju | touche |
| 21:58.56 | mindjuju | foiled again by mgeary! curses! |
| 21:59.48 | supernovia | is there a special name for referring to someone with 'the' in front of their name? |
| 22:00.01 | mindjuju | i was just starting to wonder that' |
| 22:00.21 | wps | self-absorbed? |
| 22:00.33 | mindjuju | well, but what if i said |
| 22:00.38 | mindjuju | the wps doesn't like to do that |
| 22:00.47 | mindjuju | that's not self absorbed, because i'm not wps |
| 22:00.47 | supernovia | so saying The Cheat is self absorbed? |
| 22:01.07 | wps | ohâ¦Â thought you meant like The Duke of Somethington |
| 22:01.22 | mindjuju | which reminds me of something funny some guy told me at a walmart |
| 22:01.45 | mgeary | i believe it's to refer to someone in the definitive |
| 22:01.51 | mgeary | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definiteness |
| 22:02.01 | mindjuju | i walk in, it's WAY late, and this guy is playing cards in the electronics counter |
| 22:02.08 | mindjuju | and it looks like solitaire |
| 22:02.17 | mindjuju | and I said are you playing solitaire |
| 22:02.28 | mindjuju | and he says, yup, but that he's waiting on his friend to get back |
| 22:02.35 | wps | :) |
| 22:02.39 | mindjuju | and I said, wait wait, you're playing solatiaire with 2 people? |
| 22:02.42 | mindjuju | and he said yup |
| 22:03.01 | mindjuju | i didn't have the heart to tell him the def of solitaire |
| 22:03.18 | wps | you should have said: |
| 22:03.36 | jsmith | Roses are red, violets are blue... I'm schizophrenic, and so am I! |
| 22:03.43 | wps | "that's kind of you to involve your friend but it doesn't seem very solitary" |
| 22:03.54 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:04.14 | supernovia | the Definitive = good band name |
| 22:04.40 | mindjuju | as a humorous side bar, I was once in a bennigan's in houston and ordered the Monte Cristo Sandwich |
| 22:04.55 | mindjuju | and i PROMISE, i'm not making this part up, you can ask Tiffany cause she was there |
| 22:05.08 | mindjuju | and the waiter says, you know what is funny about that sandwich, they wrote a book about it |
| 22:05.22 | mindjuju | I PROMISE that is 100% truth |
| 22:05.50 | supernovia | Was he serious? |
| 22:05.57 | mindjuju | yup |
| 22:06.15 | jsmith | mindjuju: One of my favorite books! |
| 22:06.21 | supernovia | Nice! You should have told him there's a movie now, too :-p |
| 22:06.51 | supernovia | well, I'm guessing there have been many movies really |
| 22:07.24 | stderr | `/win 2 |
| 22:07.40 | mindjuju | k, enough of the funny stories, i'm going to try to get out of here early |
| 22:07.50 | supernovia | have a good day mindjuju :-D |
| 22:07.54 | mindjuju | i got 3hrs sleep last night and had school at 7a |
| 22:07.57 | wps | upiller.com is a stupid name for a website |
| 22:08.08 | wps | or is there something I am missing? |
| 22:08.45 | supernovia | I've seen worse |
| 22:09.39 | supernovia | pillar = catch |
| 22:09.47 | wps | it does? |
| 22:09.52 | wps | in english? |
| 22:09.55 | supernovia | no |
| 22:10.40 | mgeary | ~gullible wps |
| 22:11.33 | supernovia | http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/pillar |
| 22:11.57 | wps | ah |
| 22:12.37 | supernovia | pillage.. |
| 22:14.32 | wps | ahhhh! |
| 22:15.09 | wps | no, if they'd have just avoided the stupid e/u/i crap, I could be happy with it |
| 22:15.33 | wps | s/no/now/ |
| 22:15.46 | supernovia | agreed on the stupid i/u/e/my/4/etc. |
| 22:15.53 | fungus | eek, http://blog.upillar.com/?p=122 |
| 22:16.02 | wps | youpiller.com would have been respectable |
| 22:16.24 | wps | why does it say welcome glenn beck listensers? |
| 22:16.47 | mgeary | ah, man. Glen Beck is so awesome. I'm so proud he's LDS |
| 22:17.10 | fungus | lol |
| 22:17.33 | supernovia | Oooh, I want some TrolliPeachies |
| 22:17.48 | supernovia | maybe I should just go make lunch already |
| 22:17.57 | jsmith | Mmmmn... gummies! |
| 22:18.21 | mgeary | hrm |
| 22:18.56 | wps | I'm sick of credit cards |
| 22:18.59 | wps | I want none of it |
| 22:19.08 | wps | but I can't get my wife to agree to just use a debit card |
| 22:19.28 | fungus | credit cards are fun. You get to buy stuff when you don't have any money. woot! |
| 22:19.30 | wps | (note that we we carry no credit card balance and never have) |
| 22:19.42 | wps | she thinks the cash back is worth it |
| 22:19.47 | mindjuju | we used to keep a fully functional credit card in a safe and use debit cards, but sadly, i've heard that they are going to start to charge for people who do that |
| 22:19.50 | wps | I think having to pay it off is a pain |
| 22:19.53 | mindjuju | guess will have to drop the credit card |
| 22:19.57 | supernovia | what's wrong with them if you keep it paid? |
| 22:20.17 | supernovia | what? really mindjuju? |
| 22:20.26 | wps | I just don't think that the benefit (cash back) is worth the hassle of having to pay it off |
| 22:20.28 | fungus | supernovia, nothing if you are perfect and never forget to pay it off |
| 22:20.29 | wps | debit cards rock |
| 22:20.42 | mindjuju | yup, it's something being considered |
| 22:20.44 | wps | all the convenience of a credit card but you don't have to pay it off and don't risk going into debt |
| 22:20.47 | wps | you can only spend what you have |
| 22:20.50 | supernovia | I put -everything- on my credit card (Which isn't much, actually) then just pay it off. You get an email and so many days to pay it by |
| 22:21.28 | wps | we put _everything_ on credit card too, supernovia, but we pay each payment off individually |
| 22:21.45 | supernovia | No wonder you hate em |
| 22:21.54 | wps | and keep a "check register" for the card |
| 22:21.55 | fungus | I'm not perfect so schedule automatic payments for my credit cards. So if I forget to pay it off, I still pay. |
| 22:22.02 | wps | we we treat it like a debit card, but it's credit |
| 22:22.32 | fungus | Unfortunately it makes me have a negative balance if I don't use my card, cause I don't get a bill/email notice |
| 22:23.18 | wps | we're in the plus on the card a lot because we often have paid off a purchase before it hits the card |
| 22:23.31 | wps | weird |
| 22:24.38 | supernovia | I just don't buy anything that isn't in budget and premeditated |
| 22:25.33 | supernovia | and then the points/perks/whatever are kind of nice |
| 22:28.14 | jtsnow | Credit cards tend to offer more protection if you need to challenge a charge |
| 22:28.25 | jtsnow | challenge/dispute |
| 22:29.03 | fungus | jtsnow, that used to be correct, but in recent years almost all debit cards have the same level of protection. |
| 22:29.16 | jtsnow | ah, cool |
| 22:29.20 | mgeary | i like my amex for big purchases because they have a 90-day replacement deal if your product is lost/broken/stolen |
| 22:29.20 | supernovia | I also like the billpay / budgeting features my card has. But I have to admit debt, when I have had to carry it for one reason or another, really stinks |
| 22:32.21 | wps | after debugging a javascript but for an hour I finally realized that it's calling a different function than the one I was looking at |
| 22:32.37 | jtsnow | some credit cards offer nice extended warranties on products purchased with the card. I haven't heard of any debit cards that do that. Anyone know? |
| 22:33.19 | supernovia | credit cards can offer much more because they get much more out of the people who screw up |
| 22:43.09 | Utah_Dave | I use credit cards for travel for work, and that's it. Using credit cards is like playing with snakes |
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| 22:45.16 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Does anyone know a MySQL query that would take 2 columns from one table and insert them into another table (the column name are the same in both tables and there's an id to match up) |
| 22:45.21 | influx | Better to sever the snake several times and throw it away. |
| 22:45.32 | supernovia | I just won't get a joint card again. |
| 22:45.34 | mgeary | JacobEdmondKerrU: sure |
| 22:46.00 | JacobEdmondKerrU | can you do a join or something on an INSERT |
| 22:46.10 | mgeary | insert into table2 (select table1.col1, table1.col2) |
| 22:46.42 | supernovia | there's an id to match up though right? |
| 22:46.50 | mgeary | well |
| 22:46.53 | mgeary | are you inserting or updating? |
| 22:46.55 | supernovia | would this be an insert or an update |
| 22:46.58 | mgeary | heh |
| 22:47.37 | JacobEdmondKerrU | the columns in the other table are currently empty. |
| 22:47.41 | mgeary | okay |
| 22:47.53 | mgeary | so just do what i had above, and only specify the cols you want to bring over |
| 22:48.11 | JacobEdmondKerrU | What's going on is I put the column in the wrong table a few months back hehe. |
| 22:48.11 | supernovia | the whole table is empty or it's got empty fields with an ID for each row? |
| 22:48.19 | JacobEdmondKerrU | empty fields with ID |
| 22:48.24 | JacobEdmondKerrU | so yeah it's an update.. |
| 22:48.25 | mgeary | ah |
| 22:48.27 | JacobEdmondKerrU | ooops. |
| 22:48.27 | mgeary | okay |
| 22:48.32 | mgeary | that's different |
| 22:48.51 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Yeah. |
| 22:49.02 | jtsnow | This may help... http://www.robsearles.com/2009/04/05/mysql-insert-with-a-select-subquery/ |
| 22:50.01 | mindjuju | hmmm... key lime pie |
| 22:50.21 | supernovia | update table2 set table2.field = table1.field where table2.id = table1.id - would something like that work or would it not see the original table? |
| 22:51.04 | mgeary | well, imo, it's poor form to do a join in the where statement |
| 22:51.19 | mgeary | but yes, something like that will work |
| 22:51.23 | mgeary | or you can do: |
| 22:54.43 | mgeary | update table2 set table2.field = table1.field LEFT JOIN table2 ON table2.id = table1.id |
| 22:54.45 | mgeary | stuff like that |
| 22:55.42 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Thanks guys :) |
| 22:55.48 | supernovia | I need college like I need swimming lessons |
| 22:55.55 | JacobEdmondKerrU | LOL |
| 22:55.56 | supernovia | I stay afloat just fine, but I look like an idiot doing it |
| 22:56.44 | supernovia | so hopefully next semester or the one after that I can take the database fundamentals class and figure out what I've been doing wrong :-p |
| 22:57.24 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Yeah maybe one day I will pickup a good MySQL book and just get it down. |
| 22:58.09 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Why go to college when you have IRC. Hehe J/K ;) |
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| 22:58.33 | JacobEdmondKerrU | That def. made me LOL. |
| 22:59.12 | supernovia | heh |
| 22:59.33 | supernovia | I seriously think I'm going to see if I can take swimming lessons next semester too :-p |
| 23:05.51 | JacobEdmondKerrU | MySQL did not like the LEFT JOIN: UPDATE transaction_items SET transaction_items.student_fname = transactions.student_fname AND transaction_items.student_lname = transactions.student_lname LEFT JOIN transaction_items ON transaction_items.transactions_id = transactions.id |
| 23:06.12 | mgeary | don't use AND |
| 23:06.16 | mgeary | use a comma |
| 23:06.21 | JacobEdmondKerrU | I C. |
| 23:06.26 | mgeary | AND is only for multiple WHERE statements |
| 23:06.29 | JacobEdmondKerrU | I'm still a noob kinda. |
| 23:08.06 | JacobEdmondKerrU | I replaced with a comma and it throws an error near LEFT JOIN |
| 23:08.16 | mgeary | pastebin your query |
| 23:09.11 | JacobEdmondKerrU | http://pastebin.com/d52cfb19d |
| 23:12.25 | mgeary | yeah, you're joining the table to itself |
| 23:12.37 | mgeary | http://pastebin.com/m512c7d29 |
| 23:12.39 | mgeary | try that |
| 23:12.50 | mgeary | oops |
| 23:13.04 | mgeary | i mean this: http://pastebin.com/m18040f15 |
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| 23:14.46 | JacobEdmondKerrU | :( same error. |
| 23:16.28 | mgeary | hrm |
| 23:16.36 | mgeary | i just did an update like this the other day |
| 23:16.49 | mgeary | trying to recall the detals |
| 23:17.51 | wps | hold a minute and I'll get you the UPS tracking number |
| 23:18.44 | JacobEdmondKerrU | I think I just found something. |
| 23:18.58 | JacobEdmondKerrU | you have to join before trying to SET |
| 23:19.02 | mgeary | aha |
| 23:19.02 | wps | another perspective with context (for size): http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/sam-eye-03-hands.jpg |
| 23:19.05 | mgeary | that may be it |
| 23:20.25 | JacobEdmondKerrU | http://pastebin.com/d5a5e4d9e worked :) |
| 23:20.34 | JacobEdmondKerrU | just had to move the join up. |
| 23:20.39 | mgeary | cool |
| 23:20.45 | JacobEdmondKerrU | WooHoo!. |
