| 00:00.45 | merrick | Rights, so judge it more on the number of connections being made and such? |
| 00:06.27 | fungus | Since clustering is such a pain, it's really only useful if you need HA/redundancy and/or processing tons of queries. |
| 00:07.14 | merrick | my database is pushing like 180 connections a second |
| 00:07.23 | merrick | I am trying to foresee a problem. Should I not be worried? |
| 00:08.17 | influx | http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ |
| 00:08.27 | fungus | Depending on your application(s) you may want to consider other alternatives to clustering as well. |
| 00:09.00 | merrick | Alright. Man I appreciate this group. So awesome. |
| 00:09.21 | fungus | np |
| 00:11.40 | merrick | influx that link was gold |
| 00:11.42 | merrick | pure gold |
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| 00:27.06 | mindjuju | need a laugh? check this out |
| 00:27.07 | mindjuju | http://imgbit.com/i2329http://imgbit.com/i2329 |
| 00:51.17 | influx | mer:D |
| 00:51.17 | influx | merrick: :D |
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| 16:58.24 | utahcon | what a day... |
| 16:58.41 | Dezertol | no doubt |
| 16:58.50 | Dezertol | and it's "only yet begun" |
| 16:59.31 | Dezertol | on the upside I have a phone interview in like 10.. which is like any second now |
| 16:59.51 | utahcon | woo hoo! Good luck... for a job, I assume. |
| 16:59.56 | Dezertol | ya |
| 17:00.00 | Dezertol | php job |
| 17:00.01 | utahcon | awesome |
| 17:00.16 | Dezertol | need to get some insurance.. and stuff |
| 17:00.24 | Dezertol | this freelance jazz is to expensive |
| 17:00.39 | justincarmony | freelance can be expensive |
| 17:01.23 | utahcon | well good luck Dezertol |
| 17:01.31 | Zelut | fingers crossed ;) |
| 17:01.33 | utahcon | how can I tell if my CPU is 64-bit? |
| 17:01.41 | Zelut | utahcon: linux? |
| 17:02.21 | utahcon | yes |
| 17:02.35 | utahcon | I looked in /proc/cpuinfo but nothing stood out |
| 17:03.03 | Zelut | utahcon: try 'uname -a' and see what it reports. |
| 17:03.29 | Zelut | utahcon: of course, that will only report whether your _installation_ is 32bit or 64bit. |
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| 17:04.07 | Zelut | utahcon: what 'model name:' did /proc/cpuinfo report? we can likely tell from that |
| 17:10.54 | utahcon | model name: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz |
| 17:11.05 | utahcon | I would assume it is |
| 17:12.43 | Zelut | I don't recall if the 64bit started there or the Core 2 Duo (Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU) |
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| 17:15.30 | Zelut | I've been reading about handling files with PHP. So far the book mentions file(), along with fread(), fwrite(), etc. |
| 17:16.03 | Zelut | it also mentions file_{get,put}_contents(). Am I safe to guess that file() is more common? |
| 17:16.59 | beandog | file_put_contents is newer |
| 17:17.02 | beandog | php 5 specific |
| 17:17.04 | beandog | and much more awesome. |
| 17:17.20 | justincarmony | I use file_(put,get)_contents a lot more often :) |
| 17:18.13 | utahcon | file_{get|put}_contents() is a wrapper function for fopen() f{read|write}() and fclose() |
| 17:18.24 | utahcon | they are very handy for most everything you do with files. |
| 17:18.39 | utahcon | if most everything you do is get and put into files |
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| 17:23.39 | Zelut | From what I've read it looks like f{open,read,write}() are more flexible, whereas file_{get,put}_contents() are just generic read/write "as-is" functions. |
| 17:26.07 | Dezertol | well that interview went well |
| 17:26.16 | Dezertol | now I have to go do the face to face one |
| 17:26.26 | Zelut | congrats |
| 17:26.29 | Dezertol | wish I was like 50 lbs lighter |
| 17:29.12 | utahcon | Dezertol: I wish I was like 100lbs lighter |
| 17:30.34 | Dezertol | if I was 100 lbs lighter I wouldn't look healthy |
| 17:31.36 | Dezertol | I'm 6' foot and I'm fairly wide .. at the shoulders.. so anything below about 190 and I start to look like I need a doctor |
| 17:32.22 | utahcon | I look like a god now... Budha |
| 17:32.36 | Dezertol | which.. is sorta a god |
| 17:32.52 | Dezertol | at least your bringing good luck to all that touch your belly |
| 17:33.11 | Dezertol | i'm at 260 at the mo |
| 17:34.13 | utahcon | yeah I would love to be around 250 again (haven't been since high school) |
| 17:34.18 | Dezertol | any experts in CentOS out there? |
| 17:34.36 | Dezertol | anything special about it that isn't in any other distro that I should look at |
| 17:34.47 | Dezertol | ya I was 210 all the way threw school |
| 17:35.00 | Dezertol | 210 wasn't bad in 12 grade but it wasn't good in 8th |
| 17:35.10 | Dezertol | (was a lot shorter then) |
| 17:35.36 | utahcon | CentOS is Red Hat. |
| 17:35.53 | Dezertol | LOL |
| 17:35.58 | Dezertol | I thought fadora was redhat |
| 17:36.18 | Dezertol | I was a redhat freak back in version 3.5 and 4 |
| 17:36.46 | utahcon | Fedora is Red Hat for community, and where apps grow up to play on RedHat |
| 17:37.01 | Dezertol | but then in 5.0 and 5.1 the release had a alpha release of the build utils and compiler |
| 17:37.07 | Dezertol | and it caused all kinds of problems |
| 17:37.13 | Dezertol | I've been using slackware ever since |
| 17:37.14 | utahcon | CentOS is literally Red Hat Enterprise Linux rebranded and freely available with different support. |
| 17:37.24 | Zelut | the majority of our work machines are CentOS. what do you want to know? |
| 17:37.25 | Dezertol | that's good to know |
| 17:38.00 | Dezertol | just wondered if I'd be stuck in RPM dependancy hell like with red hat |
| 17:38.17 | Zelut | if you have problems with Red Hat, you'll have the same problems with CentOS. |
| 17:38.57 | Zelut | my preference is Debian for package ease and support. If you _need_ CentOS I'd highly suggest adding EPEL. |
| 17:38.59 | Dezertol | well the last time I delt with red hat was back with version 5 |
| 17:39.15 | Dezertol | and the problems I had was because they used a pre-alpha release of all the compiler stuff |
| 17:39.19 | Dezertol | so nothing would build right |
| 17:39.36 | Dezertol | I have issues with Debian |
| 17:39.41 | Dezertol | I like it in general |
| 17:39.51 | Zelut | Dezertol: has it been just as long since you've used Debian? :) |
| 17:44.19 | Zelut | erg. I can't believe I left my power adapter at work when I'm working from home today :( |
| 17:44.45 | herlo | oops :) |
| 17:45.14 | Dezertol | Zelut sorry phone call |
| 17:45.27 | Dezertol | to be honest.. my Debian expousre is only receient |
| 17:45.31 | Dezertol | my only .. grip with it |
| 17:45.50 | Dezertol | is that I think they wen't to far with the "hey let's put every line of every config in it's own package" |
| 17:46.07 | Dezertol | I felt like I had to do a package for every tiny little thing.. |
| 17:46.25 | Dezertol | where the default out of the box in slack just have everything the way I like it |
| 17:46.32 | Dezertol | but beyond that... |
| 17:46.50 | Dezertol | I did like how easy it was to do the packages |
| 17:46.57 | Dezertol | not like my old exp with red hat.. |
| 17:47.19 | Dezertol | Debian was like..o.. by the way you need to update this stuff for this to work want me to do it for you [Y/n] |
| 17:47.34 | Dezertol | which was a far cry from the dependancy hell of red hat 4.5 |
| 17:47.42 | Zelut | I'd just suggest you use what you're comfortable with and what provides the tools you need. |
| 17:47.57 | Dezertol | well the company I'm interviewing with is a CentOS group |
| 17:48.05 | Dezertol | which is why this came up in the first place |
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| 17:49.29 | Zelut | I don't mind CentOS (although I don't run it on any personal machines). It is easy enough to manage and really widely used. |
| 17:50.33 | Zelut | It does lack in packages, which is my complaint. |
| 17:50.50 | Zelut | For example, we had to compile apache/php on our web server because CentOS didn't provide a new enough version. |
| 17:50.52 | herlo | Zelut: I assume you have EPEL too? |
| 17:51.13 | Zelut | We also had to use Debian for our mail server because CentOS didn't provide packages for the setup we wanted. |
| 17:51.37 | Zelut | herlo: absolutely, but there are things it didn't have either. |
| 17:51.42 | herlo | also, isn't that the point of Enterprise systems? Stability vs Updates? It's always a battle... |
| 17:52.15 | herlo | it's over a year late imo |
| 17:52.25 | beandog | mmm, gentoo |
| 17:52.27 | beandog | always on time. |
| 17:52.28 | beandog | :) |
| 17:52.37 | herlo | beandog: ahh, but not Enterprise ready :) |
| 17:53.10 | herlo | so I wanted to throw something around that UTOS has been planning, and get opinions in this channel |
| 17:53.32 | herlo | We're thinking of doing a 'Hack Day' in early-mid april this year |
| 17:53.45 | herlo | it would be a 1 day event, where you come and hack on anything open source. |
| 17:53.57 | herlo | You create from scratch, or contribute to a project already in place. |
| 17:54.17 | Zelut | sounds fun |
| 17:54.19 | herlo | and UTOS (along with a potential sponsor) provides $$ for prizes to the winners |
| 17:54.37 | Zelut | how would you define a winner? |
| 17:54.43 | herlo | probably in categories like: most useful to the free software community |
| 17:54.57 | herlo | best mashup (or use) of existing technologies |
| 17:55.13 | herlo | best new feature for existing free software |
| 17:55.18 | herlo | something like that |
| 17:55.40 | beandog | best mascot |
| 17:55.43 | herlo | then we'd get a pane of the most unbiased judges we cand find... |
| 17:55.48 | herlo | s/pane/panel/ |
| 17:56.00 | beandog | wouldnt it be more interesting if you got biased judges? |
| 17:56.05 | herlo | and have them pick a winner in each category. |
| 17:56.08 | herlo | beandog: probably :) |
| 17:56.30 | herlo | each winning team (or individual) would get something like $100 |
| 17:56.42 | herlo | and then there would be one overall winner which would instead get $500 |
| 17:56.46 | herlo | something like that |
| 17:57.22 | herlo | but we'd probably have a plaque to give away too :) |
| 17:58.28 | herlo | there would be simple stipulations like, you can't start your project before hack day begins |
| 17:58.32 | herlo | lol |
| 17:59.06 | herlo | and it must be licensed as free software (we can give a set of licenses to use) for it to qualify |
| 17:59.51 | herlo | and you must use some sort of revision control system that could be put into the public easily (like github or googlecode) |
| 17:59.57 | herlo | sound cool?? |
| 18:01.33 | Zelut | sounds fun, although I'm sure at my programming level I don't have a lot to offer |
| 18:01.51 | Zelut | I am working on it though. |
| 18:03.56 | herlo | I don't know, sometimes it's all about the design |
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| 18:13.31 | Zelut | I guess by that time I will have finished the PHP and MySQL class. Perhaps by then I'll be more ready to compete ;) |
| 18:21.27 | herlo | :) |
| 18:21.29 | herlo | could be |
| 18:22.14 | beandog | it's a learned art |
| 18:24.15 | eggyknap | herlo: One thing that works nicely for hackathons I've been to is to have some people come with specific projects in mind, able to mentor people that just show up wanting to do something, but not knowing/caring what precisely that something is. |
| 18:24.29 | Zelut | I have another question about f{read,write}(), to bring back the conversation :) |
| 18:25.08 | Zelut | this book talks about the optional third parameter appended to r,w,a. That being b (binary-safe) or t (text-mode). |
| 18:25.39 | Zelut | I know all my dev will be on Linux, but for compatibility what is the best way to handle files cross-platform? |
| 18:26.33 | herlo | eggyknap: hrm, I'm not completely convinced, but I'll think on it some and maybe a few more questions your way. I've heard of that idea before... |
| 18:27.25 | Zelut | herlo: that does sound helpful. My problem as I've been studying perl/python/php is that I never know what to write. |
| 18:27.46 | Zelut | herlo: I'd be happy to join a project or even tiny hackathon, if I just had an idea or could help others on an idea. |
| 18:27.48 | eggyknap | One of the things it seems wannabe contributors always have problems with is getting started -- "what should I work on", etc. Having someone that's already a contributor there, to help you get started, is nice. |
| 18:28.21 | beandog | eggyknap: amen |
| 18:28.32 | herlo | Zelut: yeah, but the idea here was that this is a competition. I am afraid that if we add that element, those who come to compete and win will feel obligated to take on a newbie. But I also see that having a n00b on each time might not be so bad... |
| 18:28.33 | beandog | couldnt have said it better myself |
| 18:28.36 | eggyknap | Sometimes it's also helpful to have confirmation that "major contributors" to project X or Y are normal people, with day jobs, kids, etc., as well. |
| 18:28.59 | herlo | yeah, for sure |
| 18:29.03 | eggyknap | True, though, working the competition bit into that model might be rough |
| 18:29.17 | herlo | like I said, I'm not opposed to it per se |
| 18:29.31 | herlo | I'm just trying to come up with a way to make it a fair competition... |
| 18:30.07 | herlo | nooo!!! |
| 18:30.10 | herlo | :) |
| 18:32.27 | Zelut | have I mentioned yet today how much I heart dokuwiki? |
| 18:34.17 | herlo | yes |
| 18:34.22 | herlo | well, maybe not today |
| 18:34.39 | herlo | has it gotten better from when I used it in 2004 and it sucked balls? |
| 18:34.59 | Zelut | there is no ball-sucking going on |
| 18:35.36 | herlo | well, that's good. Maybe I'll have to try it again. Is it still a file only based system? no database? |
| 18:35.36 | Zelut | ..and I would hope that a project, under regular development, would _greatly_ improve over 6 years |
| 18:35.56 | Zelut | file based, yeah. part of the reason I love it. |
| 18:36.01 | herlo | not arguing. But I didn't like quite a few things about it and they seemed like they were the tennets of the system. |
| 18:36.10 | herlo | Zelut: wait until it gets really large and unweildy |
| 18:36.34 | herlo | that's what happened to the one I used. But it's fast, that's for sure. Searching gets slower... |
| 18:37.08 | herlo | but if it's *way* better, I'm glad |
| 18:37.13 | herlo | maybe I'll look at it again... |
| 18:37.24 | Zelut | I like how light it is. I like the simple syntax, and the huge repo of plugins. |
| 18:37.43 | Zelut | its what we use at work, after some pushing on my end. |
| 18:37.59 | herlo | cool |
| 18:47.53 | SunSparc | Google Sites is an interesting type of Wiki product. |
| 18:48.36 | herlo | here's an alternate to wiki's: http://www.mcnabbs.org/andrew/smug/ |
| 18:48.45 | herlo | created by a local nerd too :) |
| 18:50.24 | fungus | Hey, smug sounds cool. |
| 18:51.15 | fungus | wow, uses git for data storage. that sounds radical for webapps |
| 18:51.17 | tierra | sounds like yet another CMS... |
| 18:51.49 | fungus | yes, but with some neat new concepts |
| 18:52.41 | herlo | if you guys don't know Andrew McNabb, he and his brothers have been part of the Utah nerd-dom for some time. |
| 18:52.49 | herlo | I'm buddies with his brother Evan |
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| 19:47.43 | Zelut | s5 plugin for dokuwiki ftw |
| 19:50.21 | mgeary | you know, 98 percent of all americans wouldn't have any clue what that last message means |
| 19:56.53 | Zelut | doesn't it feel great to be in the top 2 percent of your country? :) |
| 20:00.21 | justincarmony | Arg, NetBeans, how I am starting to get annoyed with you.... |
| 20:06.55 | cro | justincarmony: I use NB too. It's sometimes annoying, I agree. I use the jVi plugin to get vim support. |
| 20:07.28 | justincarmony | vim... yuck :P |
| 20:08.15 | DexterTheDragon | just use vim |
| 20:09.00 | Zelut | I just use (g)vim for everything. |
| 20:10.09 | utahcon | justincarmony: |
| 20:10.20 | utahcon | justincarmony: you around? |
| 20:10.39 | justincarmony | utahcon: nope, I'm on vacation in the bahamas... (or so I wish)... |
| 20:10.42 | justincarmony | lol, whats up? ;) |
| 20:10.53 | utahcon | You dev for iPhone, can you test your app on the phone with the SDK, or do you need a dev key? |
| 20:11.04 | utahcon | and if you need a key, how much is it? |
| 20:11.36 | justincarmony | ok, testing an app on the phone absolutely blows to set up, but here is how it works more or less |
| 20:11.53 | justincarmony | you need a person or company to sign up for $99 for the App Developer Center or whatever its called |
| 20:12.45 | justincarmony | then you add your developers to it |
| 20:12.45 | justincarmony | t |
| 20:13.03 | justincarmony | then you add all the devices you want to test with |
| 20:13.13 | justincarmony | then you add the application |
| 20:13.25 | justincarmony | authorize the devs and devices to test that given app |
| 20:13.47 | justincarmony | then download certificates to install on your keychain for xcode |
| 20:14.02 | justincarmony | xcode will then compile and upload the app to the phone to test |
| 20:14.36 | justincarmony | and there are a BILLION different little places it can fail, and its hella complicated to setup and get working, and you must have a mac |
| 20:16.26 | justincarmony | utahcon: I hope that kinda answers your question :P |
| 20:28.44 | utahcon | justincarmony: that helped a lot thanks |
| 20:29.07 | justincarmony | thinking about doing some iphone dev utahcon ? |
| 20:33.39 | utahcon | friend of mine is looking at iPhone dev, or getting a new Nexus One and doing Android... I told him to do Android :D |
| 20:37.59 | justincarmony | well, to be honest |
| 20:38.04 | justincarmony | iphone has more exposure :P |
| 20:38.13 | justincarmony | but it is a NIGHTMARE to develop for |
| 20:39.02 | fungus | Why is it a nightmare? bad sdk, don't like objective-c, or appstore approval? |
| 20:50.03 | josephscott | justincarmony: just write iphone apps as a web page (only half joking) |
| 20:50.49 | justincarmony | fungus: sdk has been a lot better since the NDA was removed, and people can you know, actually collaborate with each other. but mainly approval |
| 20:50.55 | justincarmony | approval is such a joke |
| 20:51.23 | fungus | agreed. that's a mess. get an Androd. |
| 20:51.26 | justincarmony | josephscott: lol, I've written web apps for the iPhone ;) they don't get nearly as much use as the Client Mess |
| 20:51.35 | justincarmony | lol |
| 20:52.21 | josephscott | probably the biggest disadvantage to web based app is not being in the app store (aside from more low level access, etc.) |
| 20:52.33 | justincarmony | I've been a bad developer today... |
| 20:52.53 | justincarmony | almost all my commits have been like this: "made a change", "fixed bug", "changing stuff" |
| 20:54.08 | justincarmony | its not as bad as my dad :P |
| 20:54.14 | justincarmony | when he tries to make changes on the webiste |
| 20:54.20 | justincarmony | since he knows his way around html |
| 20:54.42 | justincarmony | its like 200 commits in a row all saying "tweak" |
| 20:54.53 | justincarmony | or "t" |
| 20:55.08 | justincarmony | since he doesn't have a local environment set up |
| 20:55.38 | justincarmony | he has to commit to test |
| 20:57.40 | beandog | oh geez. |
| 20:57.49 | beandog | why upgrade when theres a new one two weeks later? |
| 20:58.18 | Zelut | beandog: I maintain my blog(s) via svn. keeping up to date is a snap. |
| 20:58.27 | beandog | Zelut: okay, you suck |
| 20:58.49 | beandog | why didnt I think of that |
| 20:59.00 | Zelut | beandog: I've got a dozen or so blogs and a script with a for loop. |
| 20:59.25 | Zelut | beandog: for $domain in list; do svn sw http://svn.automattic.com/wordpress/tags/$1/ .; done |
| 20:59.34 | beandog | sw? |
| 20:59.45 | tierra | WP tells your users that you should be upgrading... that's really retarded |
| 20:59.56 | beandog | Zelut: whats switch do |
| 20:59.59 | justincarmony | beandog: ask josephscott ;) |
| 21:00.06 | Zelut | switches the checkout to a different branch / tag / whatever. |
| 21:00.30 | Zelut | beandog: so I just run: ./wp-upgrade 2.9.1 and I'm done. |
| 21:00.39 | beandog | Zelut: intresting. |
| 21:01.03 | Zelut | beandog: I've been using that script since probably 2.7-ish. works great. |
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| 21:01.18 | beandog | Hmm |
| 21:01.43 | josephscott | if you are a dev type then SVN is the way to go I think |
| 21:02.25 | josephscott | I don't see an upgrade message at http://uphpu.org/ |
| 21:03.01 | Zelut | josephscott: should have to be logged in to see it. |
| 21:03.11 | josephscott | yep |
| 21:03.35 | josephscott | and I don't have an account there |
| 21:03.54 | Zelut | I didn't until I registered 2min ago |
| 21:04.47 | josephscott | why does uphpu allow user registration? |
| 21:05.59 | tierra | regular users have the ability to post... |
| 21:06.31 | josephscott | why would you want to allow that on uphpu.org? |
| 21:07.16 | tierra | well, it is a group, not just mindjuju's blog ;) |
| 21:08.26 | josephscott | that's what IRC, email lists and forums are for :-0 |
| 21:08.28 | tierra | seems to have been working great this entire time |
| 21:08.34 | tierra | why change it? |
| 21:08.53 | josephscott | tierra: you must have missed the massive waves of spam on uphpu.org a year or two back |
| 21:09.09 | tierra | must have |
| 21:09.20 | beandog | *waves* *of* *spam* |
| 21:09.25 | josephscott | oh course wps missed it too, that's why I ended up complaining about it ;-) |
| 21:09.50 | beandog | Zelut: pm? |
| 21:09.54 | Zelut | beandog: sure |
| 21:10.00 | tierra | hey... I run a pretty big wiki that doesn't even require registration to edit... I get about two spam edits per year... |
| 21:10.27 | beandog | maybe its not as big as you thought. ;) |
| 21:11.51 | tierra | is 42k visits per month big? |
| 21:12.08 | tierra | 8,000 edits... 500 content pages... |
| 21:12.18 | tierra | i dunno |
| 21:12.38 | beandog | tierra: I was kidding :) |
| 21:12.50 | tierra | hehe |
| 21:13.00 | Zelut | beandog is just jealous he doesn't have a 42k visits per month site. |
| 21:13.09 | beandog | buh :@ |
| 21:13.21 | mindjuju | dag! |
| 21:13.28 | DexterTheDragon | I get 42k visits per decade |
| 21:13.38 | beandog | I have no idea what my site stats are |
| 21:13.43 | beandog | setting up awstats is such a pain |
| 21:13.44 | Zelut | that reminds me I haven't looked at my blog stats in quite some time. Last I checked it was ~8k uniques/day |
| 21:13.49 | josephscott | size is relative, when ever I think things are big and hard at work I look at Facebook and remember we still have a long way to go |
| 21:14.07 | Zelut | beandog: awstats is pretty simple as I recall. I also use that for my tons-o-sites |
| 21:14.10 | beandog | whenever I need a brain lobotomy, I look at facebook |
| 21:14.10 | tierra | haha |
| 21:14.22 | josephscott | beandog: statcounter or google analytics does the trick, easy to add to a site |
| 21:14.42 | beandog | google analytics only works if they have js tho, right? |
| 21:14.47 | Zelut | josephscott: I got away from those as the load-times always slowed down my sites. |
| 21:14.50 | mindjuju | next time we have udbug present, I want to suggest they present on non-relational databases like googles or facebook |
| 21:14.54 | josephscott | I don't actually use Facebook, but their scaling challenges are undoubtedly very interesting |
| 21:14.55 | beandog | besides, I dont see the point |
| 21:14.58 | beandog | I mean, you already have weblogs |
| 21:15.18 | mindjuju | eggyknap^^ |
| 21:15.24 | beandog | Zelut: yah, its not hard, its just that I keep moving my sites every month |
| 21:15.25 | mindjuju | on non-relational databases |
| 21:15.36 | josephscott | Zelut: really? I haven't had much in the way of problems. quantcast is another one |
| 21:15.37 | Zelut | beandog: now why would you do that? |
| 21:15.47 | beandog | Zelut: I'm chronically unhappy with my hosting solutions. |
| 21:15.54 | tierra | beandog: I'm pretty sure about 99.9% of users have JS enabled these days... |
| 21:15.56 | Zelut | josephscott: it has been some time since I used either. |
| 21:16.04 | Zelut | beandog: linode ftw. seriously. |
| 21:16.08 | beandog | pfft |
| 21:16.16 | beandog | linode wont work for what I need |
| 21:16.18 | beandog | :( |
| 21:16.23 | Zelut | what do you need? |
| 21:16.24 | beandog | In fact, that's who I'm switching *from* |
| 21:16.31 | josephscott | we use quantcast at work, seems to do fine |
| 21:16.47 | beandog | Zelut: something that can handle a nominal load |
| 21:16.57 | Zelut | I started at home. went to bluehost. went to slicehost (yeck) and then to linode. I'm _more_ than happy. |
| 21:17.16 | beandog | I gotta find a good host that gives you postgresql and remote access |
| 21:17.41 | Zelut | beandog: get a bigger node? ..I would mention tuning, but you're the Gentoo guy.. |
| 21:17.58 | beandog | Zelut: eh, I dont wanna spend too much $$$ on hobby sites |
| 21:18.00 | tierra | your not running Gentoo on a VPS are you? |
| 21:18.11 | beandog | tierra: yah |
| 21:18.14 | tierra | ugh |
| 21:18.15 | josephscott | beandog: what's your target price range? |
| 21:18.23 | beandog | josephscott: free :) |
| 21:18.32 | beandog | josephscott: I dunno, Id say $30/mo would be alright |
| 21:18.34 | josephscott | then don't expect much :-) |
| 21:18.35 | Zelut | beandog: I'm really curious about what you're running, and how your setup can't handle the 'load' |
| 21:18.47 | beandog | Zelut: znurt.org |
| 21:18.53 | josephscott | uh, still don't expect much for $30/month |
| 21:19.04 | beandog | Some of the queries take time just on my box |
| 21:19.04 | tierra | yeah, I am too... that wiki is actually one of the smaller sites on my linode, and it's handling beautifully |
| 21:19.16 | beandog | josephscott: well, like I said ... hobby sites |
| 21:19.28 | beandog | Im not gonna spend $50/mo to host my blog |
| 21:19.30 | beandog | :) |
| 21:20.27 | beandog | but yah, I totally understand you get what you pay for |
| 21:20.29 | Zelut | beandog: I look at mine as an expense that the site(s) need to compensate for. I make quite a bit more than my cost from ads, links, etc. |
| 21:20.43 | josephscott | find someone to donate a server if the load is mostly from the gentoo site |
| 21:21.15 | josephscott | I don't think I'd have my current job without my blog, so it's probably worth the expense ;-) |
| 21:21.26 | tierra | my linode actually sees about 230k visits per month, and it could easily handle twice as much |
| 21:22.50 | josephscott | it sounds like beandog's load isn't directly tied to views, but other backend queries/work |
| 21:23.03 | beandog | right |
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| 21:23.37 | trevynm | Anyone care to register on my contractor directory? |
| 21:24.11 | trevynm | http://esourcehome.com/blog/ |
| 21:24.12 | trevynm | http://esourcehome.com/blog/directory |
| 21:25.59 | trevynm | justincarmony: ^ not sure if your doing much contract work anymore |
| 21:27.16 | trevynm | http://esourcehome.com/blog/wp-login.php?action=register |
| 21:27.37 | justincarmony | trevynm: come april I'll probably have some space open up for contract work :) |
| 21:27.48 | trevynm | k cool |
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| 21:56.55 | justincarmony | got quiet in here :P |
| 21:57.43 | Zelut | thanks a lot trevynm! |
| 21:57.47 | romanovic | ~loudnoises |
| 21:57.51 | romanovic | :( |
| 21:57.55 | Zelut | </sarcasm> |
| 21:59.18 | romanovic | still no expert, but it was the best way to learn |
| 21:59.38 | Zelut | romanovic: yeah. I'd like to get into it but my dev laptop has a dead battery |
| 22:00.07 | fungus | I found it better to dive in first to get a feel, then read books afterwards to tune you skills and learn new stuff. |
| 22:00.08 | justincarmony | no bueno |
| 22:00.14 | romanovic | thats never good. I have that problem when school's in session, my school laptop has about a 45 min battery life |
| 22:00.41 | mindjuju | i alwasys sit near a plug in school |
| 22:00.50 | romanovic | haha me too |
| 22:00.57 | Zelut | I have two batteries in my Dell for a ~7hr battery life, but I forgot my adapter and I've run it down already :( |
| 22:01.19 | romanovic | in the lower WEB lecture rooms at the U, its a race to see who gets the outlets |
| 22:01.33 | romanovic | I like some of the new classrooms in the new part, they have outlets for everybody |
| 22:01.34 | Zelut | I suppose I could setup php on my Mac using ports.. I've just never taken the time to figure out running a web server on a mac. |
| 22:01.34 | fungus | just pack a big stick with your power adapter to make sure you get the spot next to an outlet |
| 22:02.26 | romanovic | I got a netbook and started bringing that for a while. Amazing battery life, but was just too small for developing |
| 22:03.01 | romanovic | Btw, if anyone is interested in an Asus 1000HE, upgraded to 2gb ram, i'm selling... |
| 22:03.23 | justincarmony | Zelut: MAMP, check it out, its what I use to dev PHP on my mac |
| 22:05.50 | Zelut | justincarmony: I just found a tutorial for lighttpd and php5+fastcgi via ports. I'm going to give this a shot (I prefer lighttpd) |
| 22:06.08 | justincarmony | ah, makes sense :) |
| 22:06.16 | eggyknap | mindjuju: belated response, but I've been hoping to play with non-relational dbs lately. So far, though, I'm a n00b :) I'll bring it up w/ the rest of #udbug at some point. |
| 22:06.22 | justincarmony | my macports broke after upgrading to snow leopard |
| 22:06.24 | justincarmony | need to fix that |
| 22:07.07 | Zelut | justincarmony: I reinstalled fresh with snow leopard, and therefore reinstalled ports.. otherwise mine works fine :) |
| 22:07.18 | mindjuju | eggyknap, that'd be cool |
| 22:07.23 | justincarmony | yeah, I've been wanting to do that |
| 22:07.28 | justincarmony | just haven't yet :P |
| 22:09.40 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 22:09.41 | ibot | slaps justincarmony around with a large trout |
| 22:09.48 | mindjuju | the fates have spoken! |
| 22:10.10 | justincarmony | LOL |
| 22:10.11 | beandog | lols |
| 22:10.21 | justincarmony | what does that mean? ;) |
| 22:10.33 | beandog | we dont try to interpret fate's actions |
| 22:10.35 | beandog | we just enjoy them |
| 22:10.45 | mindjuju | it means you were fated to be slaped with a large trout |
| 22:11.02 | mindjuju | slapped even |
| 22:11.37 | justincarmony | so, what should the php fundamental's first topic be mindjuju ? :P |
| 22:12.04 | mindjuju | could ask chan or mailing list |
| 22:12.16 | mindjuju | though if mailing list, i'll sennd out a quick explain of what is going on |
| 22:12.39 | mindjuju | or maybe we could find a place to do a poll and you could send out link |
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| 22:12.51 | mindjuju | so you could let people see the voting and comments |
| 22:13.01 | Zelut | the #1 lesson I've learned in here is: Trust No one! |
| 22:13.20 | mindjuju | http://www.surveymonkey.com/ is one |
| 22:13.22 | mindjuju | Zelut no doubt |
| 22:13.44 | mindjuju | that's why i sleep with my left eye open |
| 22:13.46 | mindjuju | ~mindjuju |
| 22:13.47 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or the Prophet of Breakbeats, or sweat sexy hawtness, or a Texan, or wears his snuggie in the buff, or has a thing for hawt sitcom moms |
| 22:13.54 | beandog | mindjuju: so you dont trust your right eye? |
| 22:14.12 | mindjuju | nope, and i don't trust you bunch of yahoos neither |
| 22:14.32 | mindjuju | nobody is soaking my hand in water while i sleep |
| 22:15.24 | Zelut | I feel like I always need to filter_var($uphpu, FILTER_VALIDATE_IRC) |
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| 22:17.19 | beandog | mindjuju: the real question is why would you even let us in your house |
| 22:17.36 | mindjuju | i meant my digital self here in the chan |
| 22:17.47 | beandog | oh |
| 22:18.43 | mindjuju | can't do that to me, my left eye is open and I'd see ya |
| 22:19.11 | DexterTheDragon | mythbusters busted that :) |
| 22:19.27 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 22:19.40 | herlo | mindjuju: mythbusters proved that's not plausible :) |
| 22:19.48 | herlo | saw it... |
| 22:19.52 | macnewbold | seriously? i thought everyone knew that worked... |
| 22:20.00 | herlo | only when you are 11 |
| 22:20.57 | herlo | :-P |
| 22:21.17 | mindjuju | man, there is some sweet tunes on ravetrax playin and I need to get up to walk about 200 feet to an office i'm currently remoting to and fix a quick prob |
| 22:21.19 | mindjuju | what to do |
| 22:22.18 | herlo | sit there for a couple more minutes |
| 22:22.20 | herlo | then get up |
| 22:22.30 | Zelut | +1 |
| 22:22.33 | mindjuju | good thinkin' do something else for a few minutes |
| 22:23.20 | Zelut | http://xkcd.com/303/ ! |
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| 22:23.39 | mindjuju | awesome |
| 22:23.59 | tierra | too bad it doesn't apply to all you PHP programmers ;) |
| 22:24.07 | tierra | heh |
| 22:27.09 | josephscott | I've gladly sacrificed my sword fighting time in exchange for not writing C any more |
| 22:28.23 | justincarmony | lol |
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| 22:29.26 | herlo | wow, what a sacrifice that must be |
| 22:32.22 | josephscott | writing CGI programs in C, not the most fun in the world |
| 22:33.35 | tierra | I actually enjoy writing in C++ over PHP any day... |
| 22:33.37 | josephscott | you guys were talking about non-sql DBs, redis is looking more and more awesome - http://code.google.com/p/redis/wiki/BlpopCommand |
| 22:50.10 | Dezertol | http://xkcd.com/440/ |
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| 23:34.07 | Zelut | screw it. I can't get lighttpd to start from ports. I'm trying MAMP. |
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