| 00:00.14 | Lone_Wanderer | *cough* My unit has not officially announced any intention to deploy, or knowledge of any upcoming... umm... anything. That would involve going overseas. In anything resembling, or not resembling... |
| 00:00.15 | romanovic | Lone_Wanderer: wait, do i know you? I'm getting deployed too, in the not too distant future... |
| 00:00.19 | romanovic | right right... |
| 00:00.24 | Lone_Wanderer | what unit? |
| 00:00.27 | romanovic | NG unit? |
| 00:00.40 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 00:00.42 | romanovic | 141? |
| 00:00.42 | Lone_Wanderer | 19th here |
| 00:00.45 | romanovic | ah |
| 00:00.48 | Lone_Wanderer | what's 141? MI? |
| 00:00.50 | romanovic | yep |
| 00:01.01 | Lone_Wanderer | maybe they're putting us into a BCT or something? I don't know how all that works |
| 00:01.33 | Lone_Wanderer | what do you do in the 141st, if you can talk about it? |
| 00:01.52 | romanovic | yeah, i haven't heard many details, but we did srp already |
| 00:02.01 | Lone_Wanderer | ah ok, we haven't even done that |
| 00:02.06 | romanovic | russian linguist |
| 00:02.09 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 00:02.19 | Lone_Wanderer | I hope you have a lot of Russians to interrogate in Afghanistan :) |
| 00:02.35 | romanovic | yeaaaaaah... probably not. |
| 00:03.12 | romanovic | same question to you, what do you do in the 19th? |
| 00:03.16 | Lone_Wanderer | UAV maintainer |
| 00:03.18 | romanovic | ah |
| 00:03.27 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm sure you've seen and heard them buzzing around Huachuca |
| 00:03.33 | romanovic | oh yes... |
| 00:03.58 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, I met some guys in MI and decided that I'm much better suited for that line of work |
| 00:04.14 | romanovic | any particular job you are interested in? |
| 00:04.16 | Lone_Wanderer | but, alas, I already have two aviation MOSes and I've scored pretty well so they're not likely to let me go |
| 00:04.29 | romanovic | yeah |
| 00:05.05 | SunSparc | Love it. |
| 00:05.55 | SunSparc | Speaking of which... night all! :) |
| 00:06.06 | romanovic | Lone_Wanderer: i've been thinking of going back to school for another mos, but the gf has made me promise not to reup... |
| 00:06.07 | stderr | I thought 14 series was ADA... did they change the MOS designations yet again? |
| 00:06.44 | Lone_Wanderer | what's ADA? |
| 00:06.58 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm a 15-whatever, which is aviation |
| 00:06.58 | stderr | air defense artillery |
| 00:07.30 | Lone_Wanderer | 11, 15 and 18 are the only ones I know offhand. Oh, and 68. |
| 00:07.39 | stderr | 19D fope lyfe. |
| 00:07.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh yeah, and 19D. Is 19 all mounted things, to include tankers? |
| 00:08.06 | romanovic | stderr: you cav scout? |
| 00:08.10 | stderr | romanovic: I was. |
| 00:08.25 | stderr | 19 series is just armor. |
| 00:09.06 | Lone_Wanderer | So like tank gunners, commanders, drivers, etc.? And then you guys? |
| 00:09.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I just don't get where the line is between, say, a Stryker unit (guys in a big metal thing) and 19Ds (guys in a big metal thing) |
| 00:09.48 | Lone_Wanderer | also, why 19D is "cav scout" but helicopter-units are also cavalry |
| 00:10.03 | stderr | I was air cav |
| 00:10.22 | stderr | the MOSes are screwed up. The Stryker is infantry support so most drivers are 11 bang bangs |
| 00:10.41 | romanovic | heh |
| 00:11.20 | romanovic | i would love to do something high speed, but looks like i'll finish my career as a dirty leg... |
| 00:11.29 | Lone_Wanderer | hey |
| 00:11.32 | Lone_Wanderer | MI is high speed |
| 00:11.39 | stderr | high speed paper pushers |
| 00:11.45 | stderr | :P |
| 00:11.49 | stderr | may as well be a 71L |
| 00:11.54 | stderr | I kid, I kid. |
| 00:12.02 | romanovic | its true, more or less. |
| 00:12.16 | stderr | where's MI AIT, Arizona somewhere, right? |
| 00:12.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Ft. Huachuca |
| 00:12.25 | romanovic | go out, talk to people in the field for 4 hours, go back, write reports for 4 hours, do it all over again the next day |
| 00:12.29 | Lone_Wanderer | about ten miles from the Mexico border |
| 00:12.36 | stderr | huh |
| 00:12.37 | Lone_Wanderer | I just got back from there. I really liked it. |
| 00:12.45 | romanovic | most MI is Huachuca |
| 00:12.45 | stderr | not a shit hole like Bliss? |
| 00:12.51 | stderr | err, sorry about language. |
| 00:13.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay but think about it. Of all the things the Army could get rid of and still fight a war... |
| 00:13.13 | romanovic | nope. though several of my friends went directly to bliss after huachuca |
| 00:13.19 | herlo | stderr: heh, don't apologize for an accurate statement :) |
| 00:13.25 | Lone_Wanderer | MI is not one of them |
| 00:13.38 | Lone_Wanderer | really all we need is grunts, signal and MI |
| 00:13.40 | stderr | Bliss is horrid. I did some desert training there |
| 00:14.20 | stderr | this was before my first combat deployment, but I still think Juarez looks more like a warzone than most of Afghanistan. |
| 00:14.28 | stderr | Iraq edges it out. |
| 00:14.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Where's Bliss? |
| 00:14.30 | stderr | Barely. |
| 00:14.40 | romanovic | NM |
| 00:14.43 | stderr | Bliss is in El Paso, about half a mile from the border. |
| 00:14.44 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 00:14.45 | stderr | Nah, Texas. |
| 00:14.47 | romanovic | oh |
| 00:14.50 | stderr | right across from Jaurez. |
| 00:14.58 | romanovic | is it near the nm border? |
| 00:15.03 | stderr | yea, pretty close |
| 00:15.13 | romanovic | i've never been. |
| 00:15.18 | stderr | (The ADA guys are actually from Bliss and they go to White Sands a lot, of course) |
| 00:15.46 | stderr | anyway I gotta get my drink on |
| 00:15.54 | stderr | good luck to my fellow service members \m/ |
| 00:15.57 | Lone_Wanderer | later |
| 00:16.12 | romanovic | seeya |
| 00:16.53 | stderr | (both Army too, hooooooaaah) |
| 00:16.54 | Lone_Wanderer | romanovic: you going to Iraq or Afghanistan? |
| 00:16.59 | Lone_Wanderer | if you can say |
| 00:18.05 | romanovic | right now they say iraq, with the standard disclaimers (nothing is certain, it could change in the next few months, etc etc and so forth) |
| 00:18.54 | Lone_Wanderer | kk |
| 00:19.00 | Lone_Wanderer | how often do these things change? |
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| 00:20.16 | romanovic | i dunno. i wasn't with my unit on the last deployment, but the details changed like three times |
| 00:20.50 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 00:20.53 | romanovic | had to srp all over again all three times. but i was still in huachuca at the time, so i didn't have to deal with it |
| 00:20.59 | Lone_Wanderer | got lucky then |
| 00:21.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I guess I shouldn't hold my breath for the date they gave us then |
| 00:22.08 | Lone_Wanderer | okay, gotta take care of some things |
| 00:22.26 | romanovic | same here, i'm takin off |
| 00:22.36 | romanovic | good night all |
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| 01:02.03 | DexterTheDragon | ping mindjuju |
| 01:18.55 | influx | lart fungus |
| 01:18.59 | influx | ~lart fungus |
| 01:18.59 | ibot | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses fungus's head to break the homerun record |
| 01:19.05 | influx | ... |
| 01:21.11 | justincarmony | lol |
| 01:21.51 | beandog | are reverse dns entries cached? |
| 01:39.52 | mindjuju | wps, you around? |
| 02:02.01 | justincarmony | any ip tables gurus |
| 02:02.43 | mindjuju | stderr - is ip tables uber guru |
| 02:52.30 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: ping |
| 02:52.54 | mindjuju | i'm here, but for a moment |
| 02:52.56 | mindjuju | what up? |
| 03:03.01 | itimber | I'm out.... later guys |
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| 03:29.28 | wps | am now, mindjuju |
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| 04:26.38 | justincarmony | I hate iptables :P |
| 04:28.41 | herlo | why? |
| 04:28.43 | herlo | they are great! |
| 04:29.43 | justincarmony | lol, I know know how to use them |
| 04:29.55 | herlo | :) |
| 04:31.59 | justincarmony | here |
| 04:32.00 | justincarmony | http://paste2.org/p/596260 |
| 04:32.02 | justincarmony | here is my problem |
| 04:32.35 | justincarmony | this system is using some 3tera grid thingy |
| 04:33.22 | justincarmony | but by default when you set it up, mysql see's the internal gateway's ip address, not the IP address from the web |
| 04:33.49 | justincarmony | so I've been trying to hack their crap |
| 04:35.31 | herlo | justincarmony: what's wrong with it? |
| 04:36.05 | justincarmony | somehow the script is failing |
| 04:36.12 | herlo | sounds like a routing issue, not an iptables issue |
| 04:36.13 | herlo | oh |
| 04:36.22 | herlo | got the output somewhere? did I miss it? |
| 04:36.33 | justincarmony | I'm trying to figure it out |
| 04:36.51 | justincarmony | grrrr, this custom "cloud" solution is a pain :P |
| 04:44.10 | josephscott | justincarmony: no, I'm quite sure I've read that clouds are going to solve all of your server problems ;-) |
| 04:44.17 | justincarmony | LOL |
| 04:44.19 | justincarmony | yeah |
| 04:45.02 | justincarmony | I still remember when the CEO of 3Tera was trying to convince barry he should look at a cloud solution |
| 04:45.57 | josephscott | haha, I can imagine what barry told him he could do with that |
| 04:46.08 | herlo | barry who? |
| 04:46.10 | herlo | bmac? |
| 04:46.18 | justincarmony | Barry... whats his last name? |
| 04:46.25 | herlo | MacCormick? |
| 04:46.32 | justincarmony | Head Sys Admin for Automattic |
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| 04:48.18 | josephscott | Barry Abrahamson |
| 04:48.40 | josephscott | he doesn't post too often but his blog posts often have good stuff - http://barry.wordpress.com/ |
| 04:50.31 | justincarmony | what bug you hunting down josephscott ? |
| 04:50.49 | josephscott | some screwy language id issue |
| 04:51.28 | josephscott | at some point WPMU changed the way it tracked lang_id, but can still be inconsistent |
| 04:52.31 | supernovia | hm |
| 04:53.00 | justincarmony | ARG!!!! AppLogic is going to be the death of me! :P |
| 04:56.29 | justincarmony | question maybe josephscott, herlo, or supernovia might know: if I have a main shell script |
| 04:56.42 | justincarmony | and it executes another script |
| 04:56.55 | justincarmony | are the variables in the main shell accessable to the child script? |
| 04:57.39 | supernovia | I don't know .. I would guess no |
| 04:58.10 | josephscott | safe bet is to say probably not |
| 04:58.35 | supernovia | you could devise a little test but yeah, I really doubt it |
| 04:58.43 | herlo | justincarmony: they are |
| 04:59.15 | herlo | specifically because shell scripts spawn their own children and pass their exported environment veriables |
| 04:59.20 | herlo | s/ver/var/ |
| 04:59.30 | herlo | so you have to export them, but they do work... |
| 04:59.59 | justincarmony | ahhh |
| 05:00.02 | justincarmony | I think I found a logfile |
| 05:07.07 | herlo | probably |
| 05:07.24 | supernovia | yeah. |
| 05:07.40 | supernovia | my mom's had it a couple of times and I just found a crazy mole on Ethan's head |
| 05:07.54 | supernovia | that looks much like the crazy moles she had |
| 05:09.52 | supernovia | not too happy about that |
| 05:18.01 | justincarmony | how can I see what interfaces that a linux box has? |
| 05:18.05 | justincarmony | networking interfaces |
| 05:18.32 | supernovia | like what's physically there or what's configured? |
| 05:18.38 | herlo | justincarmony: ip addr show all |
| 05:18.47 | herlo | justincarmony: or ifconfig -a |
| 05:22.28 | justincarmony | http://paste2.org/p/596293 |
| 05:22.37 | justincarmony | it doesn't have ip4, but it has ip6? what the heck |
| 05:24.07 | josephscott | ipv6, it's the future, today |
| 05:27.05 | supernovia | heh |
| 05:33.41 | justincarmony | ok |
| 05:33.45 | justincarmony | I think I'm getting somewhere... |
| 05:39.28 | justincarmony | omg |
| 05:39.30 | justincarmony | I'm an idiot |
| 05:39.42 | justincarmony | *facepalm* |
| 05:39.47 | supernovia | love those moments. |
| 05:39.55 | josephscott | justincarmony: now you have to share :-) |
| 05:39.58 | justincarmony | I was assigning an already assigned IP |
| 05:40.01 | justincarmony | to the gateway |
| 05:40.03 | justincarmony | arg |
| 05:40.05 | supernovia | d'oh |
| 05:40.17 | justincarmony | which was causing a cascading failure in all sorts of scripts |
| 05:41.42 | josephscott | IPs are very stingy, they don't like sharing with other systems |
| 05:44.14 | justincarmony | yeah |
| 05:44.19 | justincarmony | well I was working on problem A |
| 05:44.40 | justincarmony | and while doing problem A, I introduced Problem B (the ip issue) without realizing it |
| 05:44.54 | justincarmony | still trying to solve Problem A w/ Problem B's symptoms |
| 05:45.04 | justincarmony | so when I figured out Problem B and fixed it |
| 05:45.14 | justincarmony | now Problem A's current state is all over the place |
| 05:45.17 | justincarmony | cause I was so darn confused |
| 05:46.58 | supernovia | when that happens to me, I get that one Cold Play song stuck in my head. |
| 05:47.18 | supernovia | that talks about running in circles and wanting to go back to the start :-p |
| 05:49.11 | justincarmony | lol |
| 05:49.16 | justincarmony | thats a good song |
| 05:49.26 | supernovia | "nobody said it was eaaaasy..." but you know it's not supposed to be that hard either, eh? :-p |
| 05:52.21 | DexterTheDragon | Pocahontas and Avatar http://9gag.com/photo/16103_full.jpg |
| 05:54.20 | wps | read that earlier today, DexterTheDragon |
| 05:54.54 | wps | the similarities didn't come to me while watching the moving, but when I read that I was really surprised at how similar the two stories are |
| 05:55.05 | supernovia | that's awesome. "Shot with arrows, yo!" |
| 06:02.22 | justincarmony | LOL DexterTheDragon |
| 06:27.47 | justincarmony | herlo: you around? |
| 06:28.46 | herlo | justincarmony: yup |
| 06:29.04 | justincarmony | ok, here is a watch output of my IPTables |
| 06:29.31 | justincarmony | http://paste2.org/p/596337 |
| 06:30.00 | justincarmony | what I want is to forward traffic from port 3306 from any IP to eth2 |
| 06:35.29 | herlo | kk |
| 06:38.06 | herlo | justincarmony: can you show me the output of iptables -t nat -vL |
| 06:38.56 | justincarmony | http://paste2.org/p/596345 |
| 06:39.50 | herlo | kk |
| 06:39.52 | herlo | hang on |
| 06:42.04 | justincarmony | I lied, I think its eth1 I want to forward to |
| 06:42.05 | justincarmony | hrm |
| 06:42.20 | herlo | iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING 3 -p tcp --dport 3306 -DNAT --to-destination ip.addr.for.eth1 |
| 06:42.28 | herlo | that work for you? |
| 06:42.59 | herlo | justincarmony: ^^ |
| 06:43.12 | justincarmony | iptables v1.2.11: Can't use -D with -I |
| 06:43.50 | herlo | huh? |
| 06:44.00 | herlo | what's -D? |
| 06:44.11 | herlo | those aren't used together |
| 06:44.18 | herlo | -D should be delet |
| 06:44.19 | herlo | e |
| 06:44.48 | herlo | oops, I see why |
| 06:44.55 | herlo | iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING 3 -p tcp --dport 3306 -j DNAT --to-destination ip.addr.for.eth1 |
| 06:45.26 | herlo | justincarmony: I missed the -j ^^ |
| 06:47.19 | justincarmony | http://paste2.org/p/596368 |
| 06:47.23 | justincarmony | does that look right? |
| 06:48.53 | herlo | justincarmony: which one is the rul I gave you?? |
| 06:49.02 | herlo | line 6? |
| 06:49.12 | justincarmony | I think so |
| 06:49.29 | herlo | I don't see the --dport section with that |
| 06:49.33 | herlo | kind of odd |
| 06:50.02 | herlo | oh, but you should say something like -i !eth1 |
| 06:50.15 | herlo | I realized that would be important |
| 06:50.57 | herlo | iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING 3 -i ! eth1 -p tcp --dport 3306 -j DNAT --to-destination ip.addr.for.eth1 |
| 06:51.00 | herlo | or |
| 06:51.12 | herlo | iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING 3 -s ! ip.addr.for.eth1 -p tcp --dport 3306 -j DNAT --to-destination ip.addr.for.eth1 |
| 06:55.10 | justincarmony | ok |
| 06:57.51 | herlo | did that seem to work for you?? |
| 07:01.59 | supernovia | hey herlo |
| 07:02.13 | supernovia | still up? |
| 07:03.59 | justincarmony | could I use a hostname instead of an ipaddress in the iptables? |
| 07:05.33 | justincarmony | wait, that won't work |
| 07:05.34 | justincarmony | nvm |
| 07:14.03 | herlo | supernovia: hi |
| 07:14.29 | herlo | justincarmony: it's not recommended to use hostnames because they get resolved into ip's at insertion |
| 07:14.43 | herlo | if later your hostname changed, iptables would need to be updated to the new ip |
| 07:15.13 | justincarmony | makes sense |
| 07:16.48 | josephscott | glad I know the other half now - http://nerduo.com/thebattle/ |
| 07:21.10 | supernovia | lol |
| 07:22.31 | josephscott | I should have asked for that shirt for Christmas |
| 07:23.24 | herlo | haha |
| 07:23.46 | herlo | I'm *so* buying that shirt :) |
| 07:26.54 | supernovia | Seriously. If I work my can off to save $20 on books I am getting it too |
| 07:29.01 | supernovia | I signed up for 16 hours of classes. :-/ |
| 07:29.25 | supernovia | it'll be good though; some will be easy |
| 07:31.55 | justincarmony | this is kinda late for josephscott to be up :P |
| 07:32.11 | josephscott | justincarmony: hey, it's not 2 am yet :-) |
| 07:32.14 | supernovia | still killing bugs? |
| 07:32.49 | josephscott | killed the big one for the evening (I hope), wrapping up some emails, few other small commits to other code |
| 07:33.08 | supernovia | cool |
| 07:33.28 | josephscott | justincarmony: I went to the Riverton building this afternoon for a bit, so part of this is making up for lost time today |
| 07:33.43 | justincarmony | josephscott: oh cool, what for? |
| 07:34.01 | herlo | josephscott: Riverton building? |
| 07:34.20 | josephscott | group meeting for one of the sites they are doing in PHP |
| 07:34.44 | justincarmony | ahh, cool |
| 07:34.47 | josephscott | LDS Church office building in Riverton, I guess it was built/owned by Intel previously |
| 07:36.03 | herlo | yeah, I know where that is |
| 07:36.18 | herlo | who's *they*? |
| 07:36.40 | josephscott | some of the IT folks at the church |
| 07:37.21 | josephscott | I'm helping seed a 5th column of devs to use PHP for some of their sites instead of Java ;-) |
| 07:37.40 | supernovia | hehe |
| 07:38.02 | herlo | josephscott: nice |
| 07:40.08 | influx | Yo. |
| 07:40.27 | influx | Does anyone here know if it's possible to download something from a shell server via the shell? |
| 07:40.45 | influx | I'm trying to download a log to my computer, but I don't know how. I don't have web access to this account. |
| 07:40.51 | influx | http access, rather. |
| 07:40.53 | herlo | what's a 'shell server'?? |
| 07:40.53 | josephscott | scp |
| 07:41.31 | josephscott | a server you have a shell account on? |
| 07:41.40 | influx | Yes. |
| 07:41.44 | herlo | lol, isn't that just a server?? |
| 07:41.58 | influx | herlo: LOL YES |
| 07:41.59 | influx | hurrr |
| 07:42.02 | influx | ;) |
| 07:42.11 | herlo | influx: uh, use the terminal app in the mac |
| 07:42.12 | influx | josephscott: scp looks like it'll do. |
| 07:42.15 | josephscott | herlo: we used to have "shell servers" back during my ISP days |
| 07:42.16 | herlo | and do something like scp |
| 07:42.20 | influx | I'm using terminal right now, actually. |
| 07:42.29 | herlo | josephscott: right, but that was like 1980 |
| 07:42.37 | herlo | josephscott: you are old :) |
| 07:42.38 | josephscott | dude, I'm not old |
| 07:42.46 | herlo | lol |
| 07:42.49 | supernovia | seriously, not that old! |
| 07:42.56 | josephscott | s/I'm not old/I'm not that old/ |
| 07:43.05 | supernovia | hehe |
| 07:43.20 | herlo | anyway, I'm off to bed folks |
| 07:43.25 | influx | G'night. |
| 07:43.27 | justincarmony | night herlo |
| 07:43.28 | herlo | :) |
| 07:43.30 | supernovia | Oh - ok. Seeya tomorrow |
| 07:43.33 | josephscott | by the say, I love that Skype understands s// |
| 07:43.34 | supernovia | I was going to ask you stuff but I'm tired too |
| 07:43.44 | josephscott | s/say/way/ |
| 07:44.04 | josephscott | it will update your last message inline, very nice |
| 07:47.06 | justincarmony | lol, yeah, unles you make a lot of changes |
| 07:47.12 | justincarmony | then it'll confuse the previous person :P |
| 07:51.17 | josephscott | ok, time to wind down for the night |
| 07:52.30 | supernovia | dang I wish I weren't too wound up to sleep. school starts early. |
| 07:52.47 | justincarmony | I have a dentist appt tomorrow :( |
| 07:53.02 | supernovia | d'oh, everything OK? getting a checkup or work? |
| 07:53.13 | justincarmony | work, I've been bad... |
| 07:53.23 | justincarmony | my old dentist retired like... 5 years ago |
| 07:53.29 | justincarmony | and I never got around to getting a new one :P |
| 07:53.33 | supernovia | I haven't been in for .. :-/ yeah, probably around that long too |
| 07:53.37 | supernovia | but I floss! |
| 07:53.45 | supernovia | (usually? :/) |
| 07:55.02 | supernovia | I am nervous as all get out about school and schedules and getting around with my still somewhat goofed up arm.. and now I have to schedule a dermatologist in there somewhere too thanks to my kid's psychotic mole |
| 07:56.24 | supernovia | finding that last one is making me nervous about it and all the rest. but I suppose I should go stare at my eyelids anyway... gotta try |
| 08:10.12 | justincarmony | what happened with your arm? |
| 08:10.23 | justincarmony | I remember hearing you talk about it a lot on twitter |
| 08:10.28 | supernovia | yeah, sorry about that |
| 08:11.19 | supernovia | I just messed up my shoulder somehow.. probably by doing bench presses and building a snowman with the kids and shoveling that frozen cement slush several weeks ago all while my neck and shoulders were super tense from finals stress |
| 08:11.54 | justincarmony | no fun :( |
| 08:12.35 | supernovia | at this point I've got all my mobility back but I still can't use much force if my arm is extended (like shifting gears or opening a door -- carrying laundry is OK so long as I can keep my elbow fairly neutral) |
| 08:13.19 | supernovia | it IS way better than it has been though so I'm just going to keep babying it a bit till it stops complaining |
| 08:14.59 | supernovia | but I'm taking a tai chi class and the instructor is my neighbor and knows my arm's been wigging out |
| 08:15.16 | supernovia | he says it ought to help too :) |
| 08:16.34 | supernovia | anyway. I ought to stop yammering and get some sleep. I didn't catch whether you finished up with you fun routing project, but I hope it goes well! Good luck! |
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| 14:39.47 | Zelut | morning |
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| 15:59.03 | _psychic_ | macnewbold: ping |
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| 17:28.31 | utahcon | Hey Linux junkies :D |
| 17:28.43 | utahcon | Anyone know about the headers for Linux under Ubuntu? |
| 17:29.16 | fungus | they are installed by default IIRC |
| 17:29.19 | utahcon | normally I grab the linux-{part}-2.6.{whatever]-{whatever}-server so that I can utilize all my memory (+4GB) |
| 17:29.31 | utahcon | but I can't find them for 2.6.31-17 |
| 17:29.38 | utahcon | at least in Synaptic |
| 17:29.59 | fungus | utahcon, fyi, with karmic. there is a linux-generic-pae that does the memory stuff without the server stuff. |
| 17:30.35 | utahcon | fungus: Yeah I just checked 'free' and it showed all the memory that was going to be my next question :D |
| 17:30.39 | utahcon | thanks |
| 17:31.13 | fungus | Also, if you install the meta package you don't need to worry |
| 17:31.22 | fungus | linux-generic-pae |
| 17:31.47 | justincarmony | numb I mean... |
| 17:32.29 | fungus | and linux-headers-generic-pae |
| 17:32.58 | fungus | also that way you don't have to worry about uprades installing the new kernel but not upgrading the headers |
| 17:36.56 | mindjuju | justincarmony - thanks for that last comment, gave me a good laugh |
| 17:37.09 | justincarmony | LOL' |
| 17:37.11 | mindjuju | did you get an answer about IP tables? |
| 17:37.18 | justincarmony | numb is what I meant! |
| 17:37.21 | justincarmony | yes and no ;) |
| 17:37.26 | utahcon | dumb is what I meant! |
| 17:37.26 | mindjuju | i think between fungus and stderr, you should achieve enlightenment |
| 17:37.29 | utahcon | :D |
| 17:37.58 | justincarmony | lol, its just that the default IPTables for this "appliance" in this virtual server is straight up retarded. |
| 17:38.12 | justincarmony | well, super strange |
| 17:38.46 | utahcon | why doesn't mysql have a freaking visualization tool? |
| 17:39.51 | justincarmony | no clue |
| 17:40.51 | fungus | what kind of visualization? I have seen tons of tools. |
| 17:41.20 | justincarmony | fungus: you going to be around for a little bit to pick your brain about IPTables? |
| 17:41.39 | fungus | probably. gotta head out for lunch today though. |
| 17:41.57 | fungus | Sun wants to sell me more storage stuff. :( |
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| 17:44.03 | herlo | sounds about right |
| 17:51.27 | fungus | http://www.fanboy.com/2010/01/why-we-loathe-counselor-deanna-troi.html |
| 17:52.28 | mindjuju | psh, that's obvious. Danna Troi definitely ain't no Gates McFadden |
| 17:53.06 | fungus | I don't agree completely. Both have their good points. |
| 17:53.34 | mgeary | no |
| 17:53.51 | mgeary | Counselor Troi should have been ejected with the first load of space refuse |
| 17:53.55 | dezertol | off topic... what do you think the going salary rate for a LAMP guy |
| 17:54.17 | mindjuju | i hate to say this, but it Depends on Experience |
| 17:54.25 | mindjuju | seems cliche, but i think it does |
| 17:54.28 | mgeary | completely depends on experience |
| 17:54.29 | dezertol | I started with php3 in 98 |
| 17:54.35 | dezertol | and I've been using it ever since |
| 17:54.47 | mgeary | heh. php3 experience isn't necessarily a plus ;) |
| 17:54.52 | fungus | lol |
| 17:55.03 | mindjuju | plus, it depends on what kind of projects you were working on |
| 17:55.03 | fungus | but 12 yrs. sounds quite nice. |
| 17:55.05 | dezertol | i'm looking for a new job and It looks like I'll be coming in at 80K |
| 17:55.12 | mindjuju | were they eComm, etc |
| 17:55.21 | mgeary | there have been some nice job postings on the UPHPU-jobs list lately |
| 17:55.25 | dezertol | mostly web based apps |
| 17:55.36 | dezertol | a couple websites.. |
| 17:55.49 | justincarmony | ok fungus, I'm going to pick your brain: http://paste2.org/p/597113 |
| 17:55.57 | justincarmony | that is a script that a startup script runs |
| 17:55.58 | dezertol | but mostly... apps like I built a CRM for a company |
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| 17:56.57 | dezertol | in other words I have more experience with gd and socket then with shopping carts |
| 17:56.58 | justincarmony | in fact, let me make a jing |
| 17:57.39 | mgeary | dezertol: so you're looking for a job? |
| 17:57.43 | dezertol | is 80k about right?.. you don't have to say what any of your making |
| 17:58.02 | dezertol | ya |
| 17:58.15 | dezertol | I've had 3 recruiters call and want to set stuff up in 3 days |
| 17:58.19 | dezertol | so.. I think I'm on the right path |
| 17:58.29 | mgeary | sounds like it |
| 17:58.42 | dezertol | and it looks like about 75l - 80k |
| 17:58.46 | dezertol | and it looks like about 75k - 80k |
| 17:59.02 | dezertol | just wanted to get a feel for if that's about right or not |
| 17:59.15 | dezertol | it's been a long time since I had to worry about this |
| 17:59.27 | dezertol | I've only ever had to get 2 jobs my whole life |
| 17:59.36 | dezertol | all the others where people just out of the blue .. hey come work for me |
| 17:59.46 | dezertol | type stuff |
| 18:00.41 | justincarmony | here is a little jing video of my problem: http://screencast.com/t/NmZmYTZhNG -- I sound like I have a lisp :P |
| 18:02.03 | justincarmony | oh man, I'll have to delete this jing after I'm done, cause hearing me say "virtualization" with half my mouth numb is no good :P |
| 18:02.15 | dezertol | ya but it's kinda funnny |
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| 18:03.50 | dezertol | well be back latter I have to drive to AF for a meeting.. |
| 18:12.32 | fungus | justincarmony, I can see the script, but it does a lot of auto detecting magic. If you can send me your current rules it would be helpful. |
| 18:12.44 | fungus | just run `sudo iptables-save` |
| 18:14.36 | justincarmony | http://paste2.org/p/597128 |
| 18:14.43 | justincarmony | fungus: ^^ |
| 18:15.47 | fungus | gotta go, will look a little later. |
| 18:17.08 | justincarmony | ok |
| 19:03.38 | romanovic | it feels like having a super power |
| 19:06.33 | mindjuju | hmmm, Chicken Fried steak with a side of garlic mash and mixed vegetables, a frosty cold lemonade and a crusty roll |
| 19:06.57 | mindjuju | hmmmm |
| 19:13.20 | mindjuju | anybody here work with Google Local Business center? |
| 19:26.20 | justincarmony | Mmm... Chick-Fil-Lay.... |
| 19:26.23 | justincarmony | that sounds good |
| 19:27.44 | mindjuju | it's alright |
| 19:27.55 | mindjuju | i've had better, but i've had worse too |
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| 20:47.20 | justincarmony | good news: my mouth is back to normal :P |
| 20:47.37 | jsmith | ~smack justincarmony |
| 20:47.38 | ibot | ACTION smacks justincarmony upside the head. |
| 20:47.49 | justincarmony | lol |
| 20:47.58 | jsmith | That didn't last long! |
| 20:48.00 | beandog | Yay, my new site is live |
| 20:48.01 | beandog | :D |
| 20:48.04 | beandog | http://znurt.org/ |
| 20:48.16 | beandog | that's a couple hundred hours of work there |
| 20:49.05 | jsmith | beandog: Spiffy... |
| 20:50.38 | beandog | :) |
| 20:50.39 | beandog | tanks |
| 20:55.14 | justincarmony | quick, any mysql users |
| 20:55.24 | justincarmony | how can I tell which query is locking a table? |
| 20:55.35 | fungus | show processlist |
| 20:56.26 | justincarmony | it shows locked queries |
| 20:56.46 | justincarmony | but now the status of the tables |
| 20:56.56 | fungus | right, and you will also see the query that is using the table too |
| 21:00.21 | fungus | justincarmony, your firewall looks like a normal NAT firewall with a few problems. It's NAT is backwards, and it's outbound traffic is very limited. |
| 21:00.41 | fungus | It's doing NAT on incoming traffic, not outgoing traffic |
| 21:00.54 | fungus | Is it supposed to do that? |
| 21:12.04 | justincarmony | lol, the way they've set it up, yes |
| 21:12.09 | justincarmony | it basically is backwards :P |
| 21:12.19 | justincarmony | if I wanted to "flip it around" how would I do that? |
| 21:14.22 | fungus | At first I thought you designated the wrong internal and external interface, but not anymore. |
| 21:14.44 | fungus | only the one MASQUERADE rule is off, the rest of the interface designations look correct. |
| 21:15.16 | fungus | you should masquerade traffice to the *external* interface, not the internal interface. |
| 21:15.34 | fungus | see line 87 in the original script. |
| 21:17.36 | fungus | *but* at the top of the script (lines 6 and 8) describe INTIF as "out" which looks wrong. |
| 21:18.32 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2010/01/netflix-and-warner-bros-have.ars |
| 21:18.55 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: oh my gah |
| 21:19.02 | fungus | DtD, WTF?!@?@ |
| 21:19.09 | fungus | no!!!! |
| 21:19.22 | DexterTheDragon | back to bittorrent |
| 21:19.22 | beandog | In other news, piracy for new WB releases increases dramatically |
| 21:19.38 | DexterTheDragon | WB confused as to why |
| 21:19.57 | beandog | http://znurt.org/images/funny-pictures-pirate-cat-grimaces.jpg |
| 21:20.49 | beandog | Movie studios, for some reason, are the only industry in the world that can *not* give consumers what it wants, and still stay in business. |
| 21:21.32 | beandog | although, I guess it works for Microsoft.. :) |
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| 21:57.06 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 21:57.07 | ibot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at influx |
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| 22:02.22 | orsonj | That is because there are enough intermediaries that pay for it to support their respective industries |
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| 22:16.17 | utahcon | PHP + SOAP + ASP + CareerBuilder is not making me happy today. |
| 22:17.02 | utahcon | anyone got tips on sending predefined XML through SOAP using PHP? |
| 22:17.21 | utahcon | let me warn that the terms nuSOAP and soap_client may get you killed. |
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| 22:20.45 | josephscott | utahcon: hehe, I think SOAP was ruled illegal in most states ;-) |
| 22:23.59 | utahcon | josephscott: should be |
| 22:32.15 | jsmith | utahcon: I've got several example SOAP programs I've written in PHP |
| 22:32.26 | jsmith | utahcon: (and no, I don't use nuSOAP) |
| 22:33.38 | herlo | oh, that's what that smell is... :) |
| 22:34.12 | mgeary | ~stinky jsmith |
| 22:34.13 | ibot | ACTION throws jsmith into the shower and scrubs vigorously with Liquid Plumber and a wire brush. "Ewww, i am NOT cleaning the hair from the drain" |
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| 23:11.04 | utahcon | eggyknap: you around? |
| 23:12.18 | justincarmony | utahcon: what do you need to do w/ SOAP? |
| 23:12.28 | utahcon | justincarmony: talk to ASP |
| 23:12.28 | justincarmony | I've been using for 3 years now :P |
| 23:12.41 | utahcon | I would like to pass my own handcrafted XML through SOAP |
| 23:12.44 | justincarmony | k, do you want to serve or consume? |
| 23:12.51 | utahcon | without using nuSOAP if at all possible |
| 23:12.57 | justincarmony | php5? |
| 23:13.00 | utahcon | or have nuSOAP show me the XML response from the server. |
| 23:13.07 | utahcon | justincarmony: indeed |
| 23:13.16 | eggyknap | utahcon: yep |
| 23:13.16 | eggyknap | Que pasa? |
| 23:13.38 | justincarmony | so you want a SOAP Client in PHP to communicate with a SOAP server being hosted w/ ASP? |
| 23:14.02 | utahcon | eggyknap: is it possible to do a conditional join? |
| 23:14.15 | eggyknap | Probably. Whaddaya mean? |
| 23:14.15 | utahcon | select * of the users and if user_id <> 0 JOIN other table> |
| 23:14.43 | justincarmony | utahcon: http://php.net/manual/en/class.soapclient.php |
| 23:14.56 | eggyknap | Ah, no, but you can join the other table with an outer join, and fill columns with values from that joined table based on conditions |
| 23:15.18 | eggyknap | e.g. SELECT ... FROM a LEFT JOIN b ON (user_id <> 0 AND ...) |
| 23:15.30 | PoeticIntensity | utahcon, I've used the PHP5 internal soapclient to connect to multiple SOAP servers, one of which I know is running ASP |
| 23:15.34 | eggyknap | Columns where there wasn't a suitable join column in the second tbale will just be NULL |
| 23:16.02 | utahcon | eggyknap: ok, thanks. That is what I thought, just wanted to make sure. Thanks! |
| 23:16.06 | eggyknap | yw |
| 23:17.01 | utahcon | PoeticIntensity: I don't know that ASP is the problem, I am still in teh early (under 10 hrs) of troubleshooting it :D |
| 23:18.21 | PoeticIntensity | ok |
| 23:18.49 | PoeticIntensity | something jsmith helped me with a long time ago can be found in my blog... lemme get you the URL... It may not help at all, but then again, it might. |
| 23:18.50 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 23:19.06 | PoeticIntensity | http://ilovemyjournal.com/?action=view_entry&eid=4354 |
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| 23:56.18 | merrick | Hey guys, I have a sort of, scaling question. How big should your mysql database be before you start to set up a cluster? |
| 23:58.06 | fungus | It's not based on size, more of usage. |
