| 00:00.44 | romanovic | i want to define a method inside a .jsp, intermingling it with html |
| 00:01.19 | romanovic | not sure how to do it |
| 00:01.30 | romanovic | easy to do in php, not as sure with jsp |
| 00:03.02 | bander | romanovic: http://www.rgagnon.com/javadetails/java-0410.html ? |
| 00:03.43 | romanovic | yes that does in part answer my question |
| 00:04.07 | romanovic | but i need a method that doesn't return a value, but actually spits out a whole lotta html every time it is called |
| 00:04.58 | romanovic | without using .println() in the definition |
| 00:05.38 | romanovic | it is easy to output html inside blocks of java code by ending the block with %>, inserting html, then resuming the block with <% |
| 00:05.49 | romanovic | (for example, in a loop of some kind) |
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| 00:06.34 | bander | romanovic: sorry, but I've never done jsp |
| 00:06.59 | romanovic | no prob, thanks for googling for me ;) |
| 00:07.19 | bander | :) |
| 00:11.17 | bander | eco: we were saying that the individual parts of a ternary can only contain expressions (i.e. that you can't have a return statement on the right side), not that it can only be used in an expression |
| 00:11.55 | bander | eco: and expression doesn't just mean assignment; 2+2 is an expression |
| 00:14.43 | eco | I wasn't saying it just means assignment. I just mixed up what wps wrote with what macnewbold wrote. |
| 00:15.02 | bander | eco: ah. ok. |
| 00:19.33 | eco | Though I think it would have been clearer to say that a ternary operator can't have a statement as one of its operands. return statements can be made up of expressions. |
| 00:19.57 | bander | well called |
| 00:20.21 | bander | and, heh, certainly well called about not needing it whatsoever <facepalm> |
| 00:21.21 | eco | At this point I'm just being pedantic though. |
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| 00:33.47 | justincarmony | ping mindjuju |
| 00:33.49 | justincarmony | :P |
| 00:34.05 | beandog | mindjuju has left the building |
| 00:34.19 | justincarmony | blerg :P |
| 00:34.31 | beandog | justincarmony: no, I dunno |
| 00:34.41 | justincarmony | heh :P |
| 00:35.05 | beandog | just text him on his phone |
| 00:35.09 | beandog | 801-HAWT-SITCOM-MOMS |
| 00:35.56 | justincarmony | lol |
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| 00:48.15 | supernovia | so fungus I've heard two people say now this movie is fairly predictable |
| 00:48.29 | fungus | it's true |
| 00:48.35 | fungus | but it doesn't matter |
| 00:50.13 | supernovia | I'm just trying to think of whether my little brother would dig it. We're both broke.. but kinda bored too with the break :-p |
| 00:50.28 | supernovia | and I'm hearing really great reviews on this and then some meh's |
| 00:50.35 | fungus | definitely. |
| 00:50.51 | fungus | The only people that won't like it are snobs |
| 00:51.05 | supernovia | btw beandog, I did read your frog and the princess review - I'll be taking the kiddos to that one once it's in the dollars :) |
| 00:51.11 | supernovia | heheh, snobs huh |
| 00:51.20 | supernovia | Well, here's the thing. I really did not like titanic |
| 00:51.33 | fungus | ?! |
| 00:51.35 | fungus | bummer. |
| 00:52.00 | fungus | Avatar is more generally likable than Titanic of course. |
| 00:52.14 | supernovia | part of that could have been that I went with a ton of guys (Because somehow girl geeks end up doing that alot) and was fairly embarrassed through a good chunk of the movie |
| 00:52.32 | bander | supernovia: I expect I wouldn't've liked Titanic, and I liked Avatar |
| 00:52.34 | supernovia | but I don't know.. |
| 00:52.50 | fungus | heh, I saw Titanic 5 times in the theater |
| 00:53.03 | supernovia | Well, I know SunSparc liked it and so did Mrs. SunSparc... |
| 00:53.17 | fungus | but that was when i worked at the theater and it was free. |
| 00:53.19 | supernovia | heheh fungus |
| 00:53.43 | supernovia | well I know some peopel totally dug it. Avatar is nothing like it though right? |
| 00:54.10 | supernovia | I probably shouldn't go expecting some good sci-fi mind twisting though I'm guessing? |
| 00:54.13 | fungus | Other than solid filmmaking and fabulous cinematography, nothing in common |
| 00:54.39 | fungus | No, no mind twisting at all. More like Star Wars |
| 00:54.47 | supernovia | Ah. |
| 00:55.00 | supernovia | Epic drama. In space. OK. |
| 00:55.06 | fungus | yup |
| 00:55.16 | bander | star wars + ferngully |
| 00:55.41 | supernovia | Mmmm |
| 00:56.51 | fungus | or Ferngully + Dances With Wolves (on another planet) |
| 00:57.26 | supernovia | Okay. Hmm... yeah I don't think I made it very far into fern gully. Granted I was watching it at home with kids which meant I didn't get to pay much attention. |
| 00:57.42 | supernovia | (they were small when I rented it) |
| 00:57.57 | fungus | Definitely go see it. |
| 00:58.30 | fungus | and see it in 3D as well. |
| 00:58.38 | supernovia | That is good to know though it's like that. I will probably go see it... just not sure whether I'm going to see it -tonight- you know? since we're more in the mood for somethign crazy |
| 01:00.12 | supernovia | oh here we go. bander - star wars IV-VI or I-III? |
| 01:00.58 | beandog | I think im gonna go see Holmes tonight |
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| 01:01.42 | supernovia | Oh yeah.. I've heard that one's good too. |
| 01:02.27 | supernovia | I am thinking Avatar might be more suitable to me by myself... |
| 01:03.05 | bander | supernovia: feel of I-III, but done well |
| 01:03.24 | supernovia | as isaac and I tend to get giggly over predictable plots. but if I'm alone I do fine with them |
| 01:03.46 | bander | hah, yeah, it's certainly predictable |
| 01:04.25 | bander | I'd describe Avatar as the ultimate eye candy with a story that doesn't detract from your enjoyment of the eye candy |
| 01:04.56 | bander | it uses all the themes that have been used a million times because they're compelling and tells them with no major gaffes |
| 01:05.59 | supernovia | Mmm, yeah ... I think I'll save this for a few weeks and catch it when it's less crowded, but still in 3d so I get the full eye candy experience |
| 01:06.47 | supernovia | thanks for the reviews, guys :-) (although I guess beandog and fungus are gone now) |
| 01:07.08 | supernovia | so thanks bander :) |
| 01:07.13 | bander | heh, yup :) |
| 01:20.23 | mindjuju | ~apb justincarmony |
| 01:20.24 | ibot | ACTION summons Leland to spray mace at justincarmony |
| 01:20.51 | mindjuju | supernovia - how young is your youngest? |
| 01:21.18 | mindjuju | frong and princess is good |
| 01:21.20 | supernovia | My youngest? She's OK last I talked to her... she lost a tooth today I hear |
| 01:21.32 | supernovia | I definitely want to take the two of them to see that once I can swing it :) |
| 01:21.49 | mindjuju | but it has the shadowman has these ghosts he works with |
| 01:22.00 | mindjuju | Corban is 6, didn't scare him |
| 01:22.05 | supernovia | oh yeah? hum, well, she does get afraid of things pretty easily |
| 01:22.19 | supernovia | cloudy with a chance's spaghetti tornado freaked her out |
| 01:22.22 | mindjuju | but our neighbor son who is 5, that's all he could talk about and it did scare him |
| 01:22.29 | mindjuju | so keep in mind |
| 01:22.50 | supernovia | and then she cried because she thought the guy had died, even though apparently she saw it before and knew he really didn't.. "But I feel for the characters who think he did.." |
| 01:23.35 | supernovia | she's .. easily affected. we'll put it that way. so if it's supposed to be scary (even in a funny way) she will probably get scared |
| 01:24.09 | supernovia | good to know. :) thanks mindjuju |
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| 01:28.55 | supernovia | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.18 | mindjuju | duct tape < gaffer tape |
| 01:29.26 | supernovia | gaffer tape? |
| 01:29.52 | mindjuju | ~wiki gaffer tape |
| 01:30.27 | supernovia | cooilo. Is it pretty water proof? |
| 01:30.41 | supernovia | I really love these shoes. I just don't love that snow gets in them. |
| 01:31.42 | supernovia | (and I think I've told you before how I feel about shoe-shopping.) |
| 01:31.55 | mindjuju | yup |
| 01:32.10 | mindjuju | what kind of shoes are they? |
| 01:32.12 | supernovia | just the thoughts of it.. arg. Boot shopping is even worse. |
| 01:32.14 | supernovia | Airwalks |
| 01:32.51 | supernovia | skate shoes. Nice and comfortable :) |
| 01:33.13 | supernovia | and a little duct tape might make them even cooler. :) |
| 01:34.40 | supernovia | my mom is buying me boots for Christmas if I can find a pair I like. ;-/ |
| 01:34.49 | mindjuju | :) |
| 01:37.54 | mindjuju | you should get you some converse all stars |
| 01:38.05 | supernovia | I would love some. |
| 01:39.07 | supernovia | I keep thinking I need to buy dressier boots though so I can wear them to church and what not.. they never fit though |
| 01:40.24 | supernovia | all stars though - that would be so perfect for school.. maybe I'll just get those and keep doing sandals on sunday. hehe |
| 01:43.30 | mindjuju | funny you say that, i was thinking of getting me a pair, hence me mentinoing them |
| 01:43.38 | mindjuju | maybe i'm reverting back to the 80s? |
| 01:44.08 | supernovia | I'll revert with you and we will rock the halls of the CS building |
| 01:44.45 | supernovia | 80s = big hair too, which makes my life easier |
| 01:44.46 | mindjuju | course, what we REALLY need is http://us.levi.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3150597&cp=3146842.3146845.3146860.3692021 |
| 01:45.02 | mindjuju | that and converse and you've got everything set |
| 01:45.36 | supernovia | You know, I've got not one, but TWO denim jackets now thanks to a neighbor who shrunk out of them |
| 01:46.10 | supernovia | and I have always wanted a pair of red converse shoes |
| 01:48.52 | supernovia | I am not going to peg leg my pants though.. I do draw the line there. |
| 01:48.59 | mindjuju | what! |
| 01:49.08 | mindjuju | i occassionally still peg my jeans |
| 01:49.13 | supernovia | Makes me look like a penguin |
| 01:49.34 | mindjuju | i draw the line at pastels |
| 01:49.44 | mindjuju | i didn't like those, EVEN in the 80s |
| 01:50.01 | supernovia | Ok. So I will wear the pastels, and you do the peg leg, and so betwixt us we will still rock the CS halls |
| 01:50.37 | supernovia | OP! bwhaha. Loved those. |
| 01:52.45 | supernovia | it's going to suck. |
| 01:52.48 | mindjuju | hmmm, looks bad all the way home with rouble at the point |
| 01:52.53 | supernovia | Oh, nice. |
| 01:52.54 | mindjuju | trouble i mean |
| 01:53.00 | supernovia | well yeah |
| 01:53.37 | mindjuju | looks like an accident |
| 01:53.43 | mindjuju | maybe i'll wait here a bit longer |
| 01:54.04 | supernovia | rouble rouble = hamburglar |
| 01:54.29 | mindjuju | what ever happenedto the hamburlar |
| 01:54.39 | mindjuju | looks like Mcdonalds is a one man show these days |
| 01:54.47 | supernovia | That I don't know. Grimace too.. |
| 01:54.53 | mindjuju | no big purple guy, no anybody else |
| 01:55.09 | supernovia | I remember seeing fry guys several years ago |
| 01:56.05 | supernovia | mcDonalds always feels like they change marketing managers every year or two |
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| 02:01.01 | mindjuju | justincarmony - what up fo! |
| 02:01.09 | mindjuju | foo! |
| 02:01.30 | supernovia | http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1343/was-mcdonaldland-plagiarized-from-the-old-h-r-pufnstuf-kids-tv-show -- straight dope has the answer! |
| 02:02.49 | supernovia | fo is cool too... |
| 02:03.43 | mindjuju | scandalous! |
| 02:04.01 | mindjuju | fine, i don't want to talk to you either justin carmony |
| 02:06.18 | supernovia | hehe |
| 02:17.10 | supernovia | http://www.amazon.com/converse-chuck-taylor-purple-1T162/dp/B000A89S2I/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&m=A2F93WGQDLVWC9&s=generic&qid=1262139348&sr=1-13 -- I really am going to get these I think :) heh |
| 02:17.48 | mindjuju | love them |
| 02:18.06 | supernovia | hehe |
| 02:18.17 | supernovia | Alright, well I'm off to get something to eat. Have a good night! :-D |
| 02:18.32 | mindjuju | cya |
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| 03:13.23 | Utah_Dave | I have to figure out a way to start this server up remotely. |
| 03:13.34 | Utah_Dave | I wonder if Dell has something special |
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| 03:34.32 | herlo | don't do it!!! |
| 03:34.41 | herlo | ahh, too late! :( |
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| 04:33.24 | justincarmony | lol |
| 04:33.26 | justincarmony | sup mindjuju |
| 04:34.40 | herlo | justincarmony: you are nver going to talk to each other this way. I suggest email |
| 04:34.47 | justincarmony | lol :P |
| 04:38.03 | herlo | yer welcome :) |
| 04:38.21 | justincarmony | hows it goin? |
| 04:44.50 | herlo | good, you? |
| 04:45.34 | justincarmony | pretty good. watching 500 days of summer w/ the wife |
| 04:46.30 | DexterTheDragon | any good? |
| 04:46.49 | justincarmony | its kinda like hitch hikers guide |
| 04:50.38 | justincarmony | I've been laughimg |
| 04:53.37 | herlo | hrm, maybe I'll have to watch that |
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| 15:50.45 | Zelut | morning |
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| 17:24.24 | romanovic | morning all |
| 17:26.48 | merrick | morning |
| 17:35.06 | wps | good morning |
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| 17:46.26 | Zelut | I'm just getting back into PHP after years away. I'm working on a simple contact list project. |
| 17:46.44 | wps | welcome back |
| 17:46.52 | wps | ~ibot, welcome Zelut |
| 17:46.53 | ibot | Zelut, Sup yo? |
| 17:46.55 | Zelut | if I put my db information in db.inc.php, is it best to use include, require or the _once variations? |
| 17:47.01 | Dezertol | what?.... this is a php channel? |
| 17:47.36 | wps | are you using a framework of some sort or is db.inc.php just a file you created? |
| 17:47.39 | Dezertol | depends on how complicated your site is with includes |
| 17:47.52 | Zelut | so far db.inc.php defines the db information as well as the mysql_connect() and mysql_select_db() functions. |
| 17:47.56 | Dezertol | typically... I use include_once(""); |
| 17:48.19 | Dezertol | that way if for some reason you get to files that end up including the same db.inc |
| 17:48.19 | wps | I would definitely use _once to ensure that you only get the include once |
| 17:48.21 | Dezertol | it won't cry |
| 17:48.59 | wps | and I would use require because your DB connection is probably important enough that you'd want the app to throw an error if it fails |
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| 17:49.29 | Zelut | yeah, if it can't find/read the db data the whole thing is broken. |
| 17:49.34 | justincarmony | good morning :P |
| 17:50.01 | Zelut | ok, so what I understand is: require will throw errors, include will not. _once is probably a good idea, so it doesn't get loaded multiple times by accident. |
| 17:50.07 | justincarmony | ok, lets see if I get lucky this morning... ping: mindjuju |
| 17:50.15 | wps | correct, Zelut |
| 17:51.00 | justincarmony | yeah, if you load lets say a class file twice, the second time it will throw a fatal error |
| 17:51.00 | Zelut | wps: ..and if it does get included multiple times its just a matter of it now wasting more resources? |
| 17:51.08 | justincarmony | because the class name already exists |
| 17:51.22 | wps | no , not just wasting resources, you could have conflicts or variables overridden |
| 17:51.35 | justincarmony | yup, what wps said ^^^ |
| 17:51.45 | Zelut | ok. I haven't even looked at doing OOP yet, but I'll keep that in mind. |
| 17:52.00 | wps | I rarely (if ever) include/require without _once |
| 17:52.53 | Zelut | thanks. |
| 17:52.59 | wps | you're welcome |
| 17:53.19 | Zelut | I found some _old_ code for this contact list I wrote in 2005. I thought I'd be a good place to re-start. |
| 17:53.28 | Zelut | ..although most of that code isn't working anymore lol |
| 17:53.40 | wps | any code I had written in 2005 should be scrapped :) |
| 17:54.50 | wps | feel free to ask questions here or on the mailing list |
| 17:54.53 | Zelut | I should really put this in revision control before I get too much further. |
| 17:55.03 | wps | we have an excellent group of top notch people |
| 17:55.05 | Dezertol | same here.. I get all.. embarrassed when I have to show people code I wrote 5 or 6 years ago |
| 17:55.28 | wps | one of the biggest things that bothers me about looking at old code is simply how my style changes |
| 17:55.43 | wps | I have a hard time reading old code that's not in my current style |
| 17:55.56 | wps | itunes |
| 17:56.05 | Dezertol | I had to dig threw some php3 stuff a couple weeks ago.. |
| 17:56.08 | Dezertol | I almost started crying |
| 17:56.11 | wps | ooooâ¦Â yikes |
| 17:56.32 | Dezertol | what a "global" var nightmare that was |
| 17:56.46 | Dezertol | you forget about stuff like that.. ya know |
| 17:56.51 | Dezertol | where everything was a global var |
| 17:59.27 | Zelut | I'm reading PHP in a Nutshell by Paul Hudson (O'Reilly) and MySQL Crash Course by Ben Forta (SAMS) to brush up. |
| 17:59.33 | Zelut | Any other books you all might suggest? |
| 17:59.45 | wps | personally, no |
| 17:59.56 | wps | I find the user group and the internet much more valuable than books (on programming) |
| 18:00.06 | Dezertol | jump into the oop side as soon as you can it will save you a lot of time down the road |
| 18:00.36 | Dezertol | ya.. I used to buy php/mysql books |
| 18:00.51 | Dezertol | but.. the php.net site with the functions search and stuff.. |
| 18:01.01 | Dezertol | I've not even opened any of them books in years |
| 18:01.09 | Zelut | I generally avoid buying books as well. These are from the office "library" |
| 18:01.20 | Dezertol | ah.. |
| 18:01.41 | Dezertol | ya.. I should get all my books into one place.. and start my own |
| 18:01.41 | Dezertol | lol |
| 18:02.09 | Dezertol | sadly.. most of the books I have where dated before I bought them |
| 18:02.12 | Dezertol | or shortly there after |
| 18:05.05 | romanovic | haha |
| 18:05.15 | romanovic | http://xkcd.com/519/ |
| 18:05.35 | romanovic | on a related note, i found this ^^^ to be the case with php as well. |
| 18:06.03 | Zelut | yuck. found some of these old files have ^M all over 'em. |
| 18:06.11 | Zelut | these may have been back in my windows days. <shudder> |
| 18:06.27 | Dezertol | lol |
| 18:06.50 | Dezertol | s/\^M/s//g |
| 18:07.04 | Dezertol | ctrl v+m to get the special char |
| 18:07.20 | Zelut | Dezertol: thanks. |
| 18:11.28 | Zelut | ok. I think I have enough put together now that I'm limited by the crappy db/table I threw together. |
| 18:23.41 | Dezertol | ya crappy db schemas are hard to work with |
| 18:25.12 | Zelut | ok. lets try this again with a better table.. |
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| 19:40.55 | Zelut | can anyone tell me what I'm missing here? The form displays, but nothing ever posts and the if($update) never seems to hit. |
| 19:40.58 | Zelut | http://pastebin.com/m7c5ac5fb |
| 19:41.18 | Zelut | s/if($update)/if($submit)/ |
| 19:42.15 | DexterTheDragon | where is $submit set? |
| 19:44.17 | DexterTheDragon | I'm guessing your assuming register globals in on when it isn't (and shouldn't be) |
| 19:44.18 | Zelut | I thought it got set when I clicked Submit, but I'm likely wrong.. |
| 19:44.49 | Dezertol | in version 4+ |
| 19:44.55 | Dezertol | register globals was turned off by default |
| 19:45.04 | Dezertol | you'll need to reference the post and get arrays |
| 19:45.11 | Dezertol | ie.e. $_GET['update'] |
| 19:45.17 | Dezertol | or.. $_POST['update'] |
| 19:45.31 | Dezertol | of if your lazy.. you can do $_REQUEST['update']; |
| 19:45.39 | Dezertol | which is both |
| 19:45.59 | Zelut | brb |
| 19:47.07 | Dezertol | or in this case if(isset($_POST['submit'])){ |
| 20:00.24 | Zelut | Dezertol: let me give that a try. |
| 20:02.11 | Zelut | that works much better. |
| 20:03.29 | Zelut | hmm. must be something wrong with my INSERT statement. it is adding a row, but none of the data :( |
| 20:04.27 | DexterTheDragon | you need to turn notices on |
| 20:04.27 | Zelut | or, is this still related to the problem of not using $_POST properly. |
| 20:04.27 | Dezertol | you have to do the same with them vars |
| 20:04.28 | Dezertol | $_POST['name'] etc... |
| 20:04.29 | Dezertol | in your insert line |
| 20:04.54 | Zelut | this is what I get using 2005 code as a reference :) |
| 20:05.05 | Dezertol | ya |
| 20:05.07 | Dezertol | that would do it |
| 20:05.55 | Zelut | so I need to update it to use VALUES ($_POST['firstname'],$_POST['lastname']...), etc? |
| 20:06.04 | Dezertol | ya |
| 20:06.28 | Dezertol | values ('" . $_POST['firstname'] . "','" . $_POST['lastname']."',...... |
| 20:06.58 | DexterTheDragon | then you will have sql injection security holes |
| 20:07.34 | Dezertol | I don't think this is an external site.. is it? |
| 20:07.55 | Zelut | not yet.. right now its just something to work on to get back into things. |
| 20:08.10 | Zelut | I'm sure at some point I may add it to one of my domains, which could be restricted in a number of ways. |
| 20:08.22 | Zelut | but what is the proper way to do it? |
| 20:09.40 | Dezertol | there are a number of ways to lock it down |
| 20:14.43 | Zelut | ok. I have it functional now, but I'm interested in doing it right. |
| 20:14.48 | Dezertol | http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/PHP_Programming/SQL_Injection |
| 20:14.48 | Zelut | any examples on locking it down? |
| 20:15.02 | Dezertol | that's a fairly ok write up on it |
| 20:15.50 | Zelut | is this pretty much Rule #1: Never trust user provided data. |
| 20:17.12 | wps | more than that |
| 20:17.16 | wps | never trust any data |
| 20:17.30 | wps | it should always be validated |
| 20:20.58 | macnewbold | well, data from the database or from your session can't be directly user tampered, so generally people consider it safe, though often it did come indirectly from the user, but should have been validated before it got into the db or the session |
| 20:22.28 | wps | trueâ¦Â my statement was a little too broad :) |
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| 20:26.59 | Zelut | so, if I'm understanding the concern, I can still use the INSERT statement the way I am, I should just run the values through some validation beforehand. |
| 20:29.00 | jsmith | Prepared statements go a long way towards helping you in that regard, if your database and database abstraction layer support them. |
| 20:29.10 | jsmith | It's not a silver bullet, but it is an added line of defense. |
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| 21:14.41 | Zelut | can someone take a peak at this and tell me what I'm doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/d6bb0dfaa |
| 21:15.29 | Zelut | in the situation I'm trying to query the table and display the information WHERE id='$id' |
| 21:16.08 | Zelut | I understand how $_POST[] worked in the previous issue, but in this situation I'm not sure how to grab $id. from the URL is my guess.. |
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| 21:18.14 | jsmith | Zelut: You're missing a semicolon on the end of a line |
| 21:18.24 | jsmith | Zelut: (line 17 in the pastebin) |
| 21:18.56 | Zelut | thanks. |
| 21:19.26 | Zelut | to query for an entry based on the URL, do I need to use QUERY_STRING? |
| 21:19.52 | Zelut | ie; I want to display row 1 assuming the URL is edit.php?id=1 |
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| 21:22.38 | jsmith | Nope... just $_GET['id']; |
| 21:23.43 | Zelut | anytime I try edit.php?id=X, nothing displays on the page. I'm stumped. |
| 21:25.59 | jsmith | tail -f /var/log/httpd/error_log |
| 21:26.08 | jsmith | I'm guessing you've got a syntax error somewhere. |
| 21:26.20 | jsmith | You can also try 'php -l edit.php' from the Linux CLI |
| 21:28.09 | Zelut | thanks for the php -l tip. found it. |
| 21:28.26 | Zelut | missing a . previous to a $_POST['foo'] entry. |
| 21:28.29 | Zelut | erg. |
| 21:30.21 | jsmith | Yeah... the "php -l" tip has saved me countless heartache, but I'm the only person I know that uses it |
| 21:30.25 | jsmith | Now that makes two of us! |
| 21:34.08 | Zelut | erg. the frustration I'm having with getting back into PHP is not only do I need to learn/worry about PHP syntax but also MySQL, HTML, css, etc. |
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| 21:42.34 | wps | what have you been working with? |
| 21:43.30 | Zelut | what do you mean? |
| 21:44.25 | wps | if you haven't been using MySQL, HTML, CSS during your hiatus from PHP, what have you been using? |
| 21:45.03 | wps | or is my assumption that you've been using a different technology incorrect? perhaps you've been gardening or something :) |
| 21:45.45 | Zelut | ohh, I have primarily been doing SA work. if anything its been bash. |
| 21:46.02 | Zelut | a little perl here and there.. |
| 21:47.24 | jsmith | Zelut: Well, pretty soon you'll be a PHP/HTML/CSS/SQL/AJAX/SEO/MVC/SOA pinball wizard! |
| 21:49.27 | jsmith | It's not really that hard |
| 21:49.40 | jsmith | We've all been there, done that, and we're still alive |
| 21:49.51 | jsmith | (and some in this group even *thrive*) |
| 21:59.34 | Zelut | I am surprised at how quickly its been coming back / catching on, but the thought of all the different languages feels overwhelming. |
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| 22:15.05 | wps | it's hard to find word describe the level of happiness that carmel apples have brought me today |
| 22:15.14 | wps | s/word/words to/ |
| 22:17.07 | wps | 12 hour clocks are stupid |
| 22:17.39 | wps | I can't believe how much time I have wasted today trying to get a 12-hour time picker to format 24-hour for sending to the database |
| 22:18.07 | wps | the whole 12 pm is not in the evening crap |
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| 22:18.25 | wps | CarmonyPhone: don't IRC and drive |
| 22:18.40 | CarmonyPhone | Not driving, flying :p |
| 22:19.11 | wps | hope you don't have a crotchbomber onboard |
| 22:19.31 | CarmonyPhone | Lol! Nope, we're all normal. |
| 22:20.10 | CarmonyPhone | mindjuju: Ping |
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| 22:45.33 | mindjuju | ~apb 07CarmonyPhone01 |
| 22:45.33 | ibot | ACTION hires Dog the Bounty Hunter to rough up 07CarmonyPhone01 |
| 22:45.58 | mindjuju | 02hope that didn't mess up my font01 |
| 22:47.11 | tierra | it did... again |
| 22:47.31 | mindjuju | so is this all better or is it still black? |
| 22:47.37 | tierra | better |
| 22:47.41 | mindjuju | oh good |
| 22:47.50 | wps | nearly illegible |
| 22:50.01 | Zelut | mindjuju: read just fine on my box. blue on black. |
| 22:59.23 | beandog | anyone good at mail servers |
| 23:01.22 | Zelut | beandog: what do you need? |
| 23:01.42 | Zelut | i designed a pretty slick one not long ago at work. |
| 23:01.51 | beandog | Well I need to setup postfix so it sends mail FROM a domain name, but not receive the mail FOR that domain name. |
| 23:02.04 | beandog | So, SMTP and POP3 on completely different boxes / IPs |
| 23:02.08 | beandog | but same domain. |
| 23:02.13 | beandog | I'm setting up SMTP |
| 23:03.37 | Zelut | sending from is simple enough, and receiving should be as simple as DNS settings.. |
| 23:04.26 | Zelut | set myhostname = and myorigin = to get the from defined properly. |
| 23:06.48 | beandog | hmm |
| 23:06.50 | beandog | this doesnt make sense |
| 23:06.58 | Zelut | whats that |
| 23:07.21 | beandog | Well how can the POP3 server and the SMTP server be on different IPs, if they DNS is pointing to mine? |
| 23:07.33 | beandog | Basically the client controls the box for POP3 |
| 23:07.40 | beandog | bleh |
| 23:07.43 | beandog | I dunno |
| 23:07.48 | beandog | I cant even explain the problem, Im so lost. |
| 23:08.16 | Zelut | dont do this much? :) |
| 23:09.27 | beandog | no |
| 23:11.26 | Zelut | the server that receives the mail should be defined as the MX record in DNS. |
| 23:11.42 | Zelut | MX record needs to point to a valid A record (not CNAME). |
| 23:12.26 | Zelut | the server you want to send from won't be listed in MX so no mail will hit it, but you should be able to send from it just the same. |
| 23:13.14 | beandog | Oh okay |
| 23:13.21 | beandog | So POP3 needs MX records, not SMTP |
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| 23:14.16 | Zelut | it sounds like you'll be maintaining two postfix installations. the pop3 server needs an mta to receive the mail too. |
| 23:14.40 | beandog | I'm just maintaining one where they want to send mail *from* this domain.com |
| 23:18.09 | beandog | argh. |
| 23:18.18 | beandog | How do you lookup the MX DNS records for a domain |
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| 23:19.20 | Zelut | beandog: host -t MX domain.com |
| 23:19.47 | Zelut | beandog: actually, if there are valid MX records host should include those with the standard lookup. |
| 23:19.56 | Zelut | [cedwards@daphne ~]$ host zelut.org |
| 23:19.56 | Zelut | zelut.org has address 97.107.130.239 |
| 23:19.56 | Zelut | zelut.org mail is handled by 20 mx2.zelut.org. |
| 23:19.56 | Zelut | zelut.org mail is handled by 30 mx3.zelut.org. |
| 23:19.57 | Zelut | zelut.org mail is handled by 10 mail.zelut.org. |
| 23:20.22 | DexterTheDragon | or dig domain.com MX |
| 23:21.25 | beandog | Okay |
| 23:21.36 | beandog | Yah, that saysi ts going to mail.domain.com which is a totally different IP |
| 23:23.15 | Zelut | if you're only worrying abouth the SMTP it doesn't matter. |
| 23:29.06 | Zelut | can anyone suggest a good example of adding a login to a site? session managment, etc. |
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| 23:34.02 | beandog | foo |
| 23:34.04 | beandog | I think I got it |
| 23:34.05 | beandog | thanks Zelut |
| 23:34.18 | wps | Created a display 12-hour but read/write 24-hour version of Jason Huck's #jQuery TimePicker plugin http://bit.ly/4L6qyG |
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| 23:35.26 | Zelut | beandog: np |