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| 00:12.43 | herlo | haha |
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| 00:49.21 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Anyone know of an easy to use upload progress bar that I can use on my PHP scripts?? :) |
| 00:49.54 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Everything's done on this App I'm working on but the damn progress bar.. |
| 01:04.05 | JacobEdmondKerrU | If I was to have a popup in JS that says loading on submit will it hang there until all the uploads are done? I guess the question is if u post the uploads does the page switch to the action after the uploads are done or before? |
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| 01:27.50 | mindjuju | CRAP! |
| 01:30.37 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: ? |
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| 02:20.57 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Hey guys is there any way in the world of all worldnesses to have files uploading via a form upload via ftp? Form upload are so slow any way to speed them up? |
| 02:21.16 | JacobEdmondKerrU | I made a JS pop up with: Note: If you are uploading more then 3MB this could take 10+ minutes. Most likely if you are uploading more then 3 songs the upload process may take more then 10 minutes depending on your connection speed. Do not worry everything is uploading as requested. Feel free to open another browser or tab and browse some other sites while you wait for your upload(s) to complete. Please do not close this browser or move away from |
| 02:21.16 | JacobEdmondKerrU | this page, this will result in lost data. You may click here to Google while you wait. |
| 02:21.20 | JacobEdmondKerrU | oh crap |
| 02:27.04 | mindjuju | my understanding is that FTP is a small pinch faster that is only really noticable when transfering large files. So, one person on the web measured it and found via http, a file took 10minutes, 5 seconds and 10 minutes 2 seconds on FTP. |
| 02:28.03 | mindjuju | as for advantages, AFAIK all people that can see your page can upload via web form, that is to say, i don't think firewalls can block a file upload over port 80, but gurus can tell you that for sure |
| 02:28.28 | mindjuju | if you were going to do FTP upload, you'd have all kinds of security questions, and then hope they have the FTP ports open |
| 02:28.54 | mindjuju | as for FTPing through the web form, that isn't possible |
| 02:29.28 | mindjuju | i'll be off and on for the next little bit, ask questions if you have 'em |
| 02:31.13 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Thanx man :) |
| 02:31.23 | JacobEdmondKerrU | I will keep the http stuff then. |
| 02:31.43 | JacobEdmondKerrU | I just want to know what to say when the client whines about it.. |
| 02:31.52 | mindjuju | whines about what? |
| 02:31.59 | JacobEdmondKerrU | how long it tkae to upload stuff |
| 02:32.01 | JacobEdmondKerrU | take* |
| 02:32.14 | DexterTheDragon | tell them to get faster internet |
| 02:32.18 | mindjuju | oh |
| 02:32.18 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Yeah :) |
| 02:32.55 | JacobEdmondKerrU | I wonder if I can make a script that takes their connecting and gives a good estimate through ajax before the file uploads. |
| 02:33.10 | JacobEdmondKerrU | I will make that if the client requests it I guess. |
| 02:34.07 | JacobEdmondKerrU | I'm doing my first full application in my own VMC and PHP5 OOP. Some sexy code :) |
| 02:35.38 | mindjuju | have you thought about using a progress bar or just an animated gif until file upload completion? |
| 02:35.47 | mindjuju | here is something, i haven't used it, but just found it |
| 02:35.48 | mindjuju | http://blog.joshuaeichorn.com/archives/2006/03/14/php-ajax-file-upload-progress-meter-updates/ |
| 02:36.04 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Yeah I have text and an animated gif that comes up in Ibox |
| 02:36.13 | mindjuju | ah cool |
| 02:36.35 | JacobEdmondKerrU | I put a ton of text saying how long it may take and even a link to google that open in another tab |
| 02:36.45 | JacobEdmondKerrU | so they can browse while it uploads. |
| 02:37.30 | JacobEdmondKerrU | but I did find some good progress bars that use APC and Yahoo GUI |
| 02:37.38 | JacobEdmondKerrU | but it was a big pain to setup. |
| 02:38.26 | mindjuju | DtD - feast your ears on this |
| 02:38.27 | mindjuju | http://shoutcast.com/shoutcast_player?stationid=562417&Genre=Electronic&ContentFlag=1&isCallInternal=&related= |
| 02:38.34 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Oh man I <3 U this looks like a sweet uploaded and easy to setup |
| 02:38.44 | JacobEdmondKerrU | uploader* |
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| 02:39.08 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: interesting |
| 02:39.18 | mindjuju | it's called PsyChill |
| 02:39.26 | mindjuju | i've never heard of this before, but i likey |
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| 03:04.13 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: I dunno, i think i'm just more of a trance person |
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| 14:29.40 | mindjuju | that's right buddy, +o my name! |
| 14:46.25 | mindjuju | beandog, when you get in, i have a question |
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| 16:10.05 | mindjuju | http://www.frys.com/product/6002438?site=sa:Homepage%20Pod:Pod1 |
| 16:10.06 | mgeary | ~console mindjuju |
| 16:10.07 | ibot | ACTION gives mindjuju the consolation moose |
| 16:13.12 | mgeary | okay, so hep me out with this ssh tunnel issue |
| 16:13.38 | mgeary | there's a machine that is running postgres, only set up to listen to localhost over the standard port. i have ssh access, but need to connect via postgres from an outside machine |
| 16:14.08 | mgeary | can i set up a tunnel that allows me postgres access? |
| 16:14.37 | mindjuju | prolly, i've heard of port forwarding through the ssh tunnel |
| 16:14.47 | mindjuju | but that kind of mojo will take a real master |
| 16:14.52 | mindjuju | aka, fungus |
| 16:15.30 | herlo | mindjuju: btw, I wouldn't buy seagates. They're getting better, but I've heard of hardware failures on those much earlier than the WDs |
| 16:15.46 | mindjuju | but i do see that kind of stuff, but never pulled it off yet, like doing remote desktop over ssh |
| 16:15.54 | fungus | ssh -L 5435:localhost:5432 pgserver |
| 16:16.14 | fungus | connect on your machine to localhost 5435 |
| 16:16.17 | herlo | fungus: I love -L :) Tunnelling is so much fun |
| 16:16.24 | mindjuju | see mgeary, he knows that stuff and i think he knows pi to like 20 places |
| 16:16.26 | herlo | -R and -D are also very nice |
| 16:16.26 | mgeary | thanks, fungus |
| 16:16.39 | fungus | -D is my absolute favorite |
| 16:16.45 | mindjuju | ~fungus++ |
| 16:16.48 | fungus | incredibly useful |
| 16:17.01 | herlo | yeah, can't stop me from serfing the web as long as I can get an open port :) |
| 16:17.27 | mindjuju | about hdds, i always hear seagates are bad, or wd or maxtor for fujitsu |
| 16:17.38 | fungus | you are right. No technical way around it. |
| 16:17.49 | mindjuju | and usually the poeple who like wd, are the ones who say seagate bad |
| 16:17.52 | mindjuju | and vice versa |
| 16:17.53 | herlo | WD doesn't have that reputation mindjuju |
| 16:17.55 | fungus | I use influence with managers to solve that problem... |
| 16:18.00 | fungus | :) |
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| 16:18.26 | mindjuju | herlo, i've heard it from many that wd is le sux |
| 16:18.31 | mindjuju | i'm not saying they are |
| 16:18.45 | mindjuju | what i'm saying is that everybody has preferences, and true seagate had bad lot here recently |
| 16:18.58 | herlo | mindjuju: yeah, I've heard similar arguments |
| 16:18.59 | fungus | I think the whole hd manu. debate is all perspective and experience based. a lot like Ford vs. Chevy |
| 16:19.06 | mindjuju | but truth is, at least for me, fail rate seems about the same over drive manufactors |
| 16:19.35 | fungus | Yes, there are some Pintos, but there are a lot of Mustangs too, in every brand. |
| 16:19.48 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:20.45 | fungus | My last 3 drive failures were Seagate, IBM Deathstar, and WD |
| 16:22.18 | mindjuju | now conner hard drives, there was a drive! |
| 16:22.36 | mindjuju | jk, we had one a long time ago, but that's all i remember |
| 16:24.46 | herlo | mindjuju: fusionio has awesome drives, but they are solidstate :) |
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| 16:34.05 | mgeary | anyone have any specs on solid-state hd performance? |
| 16:34.46 | mgeary | i got a new MBP for Christmas/Birthday last weekend, and declined on the SSD, but i wonder if it'd be something to think about for later |
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| 16:45.26 | fungus | mgeary, I don't have specs, but I have talked to two technical people that have upgraded to SSD in their MBPs and they say performance has increased a ton. |
| 16:45.51 | mgeary | i'd imagine battery life would improve a lot as well |
| 16:46.06 | mgeary | hey, fungus, i cleared by screen buffer, can you shoot me that ssh command again? |
| 16:46.07 | fungus | actual user experience performance, and these two people I trust. |
| 16:46.20 | fungus | ssh -L 5435:localhost:5432 pgserver |
| 16:46.23 | mgeary | thanks |
| 16:47.37 | mgeary | but dang, $650 for a 256GB drive |
| 16:48.02 | fungus | The mnemonic for remember it is "ssh -L (local forward) 5435(port on my machine to connect to):localhost(destination host, relative to ssh server):5435(destination port) pgserver (ssh server) |
| 16:48.20 | fungus | ssh -local myport:destination:destport sshserver |
| 16:57.25 | Utah_Dave | I like fungus' happy face bash commands |
| 17:04.45 | mgeary | -L is that a happy face? |
| 17:05.07 | mgeary | i guess i just don't see it |
| 17:05.25 | utahcon | -L- maybe? |
| 17:05.39 | utahcon | (-L-) <-- dude with HUGE square nose |
| 17:05.54 | mgeary | yeah, but he's not smiling |
| 17:05.57 | herlo | utahcon: stop drawring pics of me |
| 17:06.19 | herlo | yes, I said 'drawring' |
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| 17:09.02 | Utah_Dave | I'm using pidgin and that last command fungus typed in had a couple characters that pidgin interpreted as emoticons and inserted 2 smiley faces |
| 17:10.55 | utahcon | Utah_Dave: like :D |
| 17:11.10 | utahcon | they were : followed by d |
| 17:11.12 | utahcon | :D |
| 17:11.47 | Utah_Dave | yes, utahcon. exactly. So it was a very happy bash example |
| 17:12.01 | fungus | That's one reason I don't use pidgin for irc |
| 17:13.14 | utahcon | same |
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| 17:18.06 | Utah_Dave | aww, come on guys. Don't you like the little smiley faces?? :) |
| 17:20.19 | mgeary | d:) |
| 17:38.09 | fungus | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell |
| 17:38.55 | cro | fungus: I am almost living that right now |
| 17:39.09 | fungus | ~console cro |
| 17:39.10 | ibot | ACTION gives cro the consolation moose |
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| 17:44.39 | beandog | mindjuju, sup |
| 17:44.47 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Hey guys does anyone know of a backend for listing users and running searches etc. that I can use? I want to put together a backend quickly.. :) |
| 17:45.35 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Like a set of classes or something I can add onto and modify. |
| 17:45.43 | fungus | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34228231/ns/today-today_people/ |
| 17:46.02 | JacobEdmondKerrU | LOL |
| 17:46.12 | fungus | mindjuju's favorite MILF is not avaialable |
| 17:48.55 | mindjuju | yes i know, it's been out for a couple of days |
| 17:49.01 | mindjuju | :( |
| 17:49.22 | JacobEdmondKerrU | So yeah just zip up one of your sweet backend control panel you developed in PHP and MySQL and send it to me damn it.. |
| 17:49.23 | JacobEdmondKerrU | LOL. |
| 17:49.41 | beandog | mindjuju can bring her back |
| 17:50.09 | mindjuju | cake supposedly has extensive CRUD setup |
| 17:50.38 | mindjuju | beandog, nah, she's chosen, i'll pass |
| 17:50.44 | mindjuju | plus, i already have a hawty wife |
| 17:58.50 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Is PHP Cake good? Can I make a quick backend with that? |
| 18:00.04 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Or code Ignitor |
| 18:01.47 | mgeary | django |
| 18:01.59 | mgeary | django has an awesome built-in backend |
| 18:02.36 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Sweet, I'm downloading it now :) |
| 18:03.06 | mgeary | you know it's python, though, right? |
| 18:03.22 | JacobEdmondKerrU | oh crud.. |
| 18:03.27 | mgeary | heh |
| 18:03.32 | JacobEdmondKerrU | I do not know python.. |
| 18:04.04 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Well I prob. will not be using it then. |
| 18:05.48 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Well one of the partners where I work created PHP on Trax so I guess they want me to use that.. |
| 18:06.12 | cro | mgeary: do you have experience with Rails and Django? |
| 18:06.21 | mgeary | not Rails, but yes, Django |
| 18:07.20 | mgeary | django has some of that as well |
| 18:07.28 | mgeary | but they've gotten rid of a lot of the magic, irrc |
| 18:07.32 | mgeary | iirc |
| 18:14.25 | jtsnow | anyone know of a way to replace an xml node using simplexml? |
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| 18:14.52 | jtsnow | found it using xpath... just need to replace it |
| 18:16.00 | jsmith | I could probably figure it out... if I had time |
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| 18:21.27 | fungus | jtsnow, never done it with simplexml, but using dom it's not very hard. |
| 18:23.44 | jtsnow | yeah, simplexml integrates with dom and I've used that to successfully remove a node |
| 18:26.45 | jtsnow | I'll keep playing with it |
| 18:32.55 | mindjuju | lunchtime |
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| 18:41.11 | JacobEdmondKerrU | When logging a user in what do you guys do just set authenticated to true or something (just a simple login)? |
| 18:41.17 | JacobEdmondKerrU | in the session |
| 18:41.47 | unum | I create a $_SESSION['username'] variable |
| 18:42.05 | unum | and usually a $_SESSION['access_level'] |
| 18:42.26 | JacobEdmondKerrU | K. |
| 18:42.33 | unum | actually I've been doing $_SESSION['user_index'] more lately |
| 18:42.35 | macnewbold | JacobEdmondKerrU: you could do that... sometimes i'll keep the auth tokens in the session and check them every page load, in case the data has changed underneath them while they're logged in |
| 18:42.39 | unum | though sometimes I do all three |
| 18:42.55 | macnewbold | storing at least the username/unique id is probably a minimum |
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| 18:43.05 | JacobEdmondKerrU | K. |
| 18:43.14 | macnewbold | sometimes i'll even pull the user's whole row from the db and cache it in the session, but that isn't always critical |
| 18:43.24 | macnewbold | and sometimes can make more work in keeping it up to date |
| 18:43.30 | unum | macnewbold: I've been leaning more towards that lately |
| 18:43.33 | macnewbold | stale caches are no fun |
| 18:44.09 | unum | ya if you have things that change frequently I can see that being a problem |
| 18:44.35 | unum | I have things like timezone that I have to worry about on multiple pages |
| 18:45.40 | JacobEdmondKerrU | I <3 you guys. Everytime I ask a question I get all kinds of cool response.. This is like the ultimate way to learn and get various opinions. |
| 18:46.16 | unum | yet it is |
| 18:46.16 | unum | yes it is |
| 18:46.17 | JacobEdmondKerrU | :) |
| 18:46.17 | unum | freenode is my secret weapon at work |
| 18:46.44 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Same here LOL.. |
| 18:46.51 | mindjuju | bandwidth hog is a mythical creature ... cool! |
| 18:46.53 | mindjuju | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/12/bandwidth-hogs-dont-even-exist-says-analyst.ars |
| 18:50.53 | fungus | heh, I always picture a huge boar, chowing down on some movie torrents, blocking the hallway for anyone else. |
| 18:51.46 | JacobEdmondKerrU | You know how you can not use header() after setting the session? How do you guys do redirects after setting the session? |
| 18:52.42 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Right if you set header() after setting the session you get an error like: "Can not set header since it's already been set".. |
| 18:52.59 | beandog | you can set the session |
| 18:53.03 | beandog | you just can't output anything |
| 18:53.07 | fungus | redirect before you setup the session |
| 18:53.11 | beandog | er, wait |
| 18:53.13 | beandog | I think |
| 18:54.06 | fungus | actually I think beandog is right |
| 18:54.08 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Well I have to check the session if user is logged in right. |
| 18:54.16 | JacobEdmondKerrU | oh i c. |
| 18:54.17 | beandog | anyway |
| 18:54.23 | beandog | use headers_sent() to check if its okay to redirect |
| 18:54.31 | fungus | Check your code for any spare newlines outside of your <?php tags |
| 18:54.42 | JacobEdmondKerrU | K. |
| 18:55.13 | JacobEdmondKerrU | I have not tested this again I just remember having this problem in the past and always thought I can not set header() after setting up the session. |
| 18:56.29 | macnewbold | yeah, session does a header(cookie) call |
| 18:56.37 | macnewbold | but doesn't cause headers_sent() |
| 18:56.56 | JacobEdmondKerrU | K. |
| 19:00.07 | fungus | JacobEdmondKerrU, you can use "curl -v URL" to debug header issues. |
| 19:00.23 | fungus | lol |
| 19:00.28 | fungus | ~wtg mgeary |
| 19:00.29 | ibot | Way to go, mgeary! Righteous! |
| 19:01.01 | JacobEdmondKerrU | K, thanx |
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| 19:20.18 | DexterTheDragon | hey swb |
| 19:20.36 | swb | hiya |
| 19:21.15 | DexterTheDragon | swb: so is there a plan yet? |
| 19:21.35 | swb | Draper Applebee's tonight. |
| 19:21.52 | DexterTheDragon | time? |
| 19:21.55 | swb | unless everyone wants to go to Market Street Grill! (er, it was on my list) |
| 19:21.58 | swb | no, but really |
| 19:21.59 | swb | time! |
| 19:22.03 | swb | um |
| 19:22.07 | swb | 7ish? |
| 19:23.43 | swb | or 8 even? |
| 19:23.44 | swb | hm |
| 19:24.34 | swb | biab |
| 19:49.57 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart mindjuju |
| 19:49.57 | ibot | executes killall -HUP mindjuju |
| 19:52.24 | p0et1cintens1ty | Anyone here know how to connect a softphone to asterisk? |
| 19:52.32 | p0et1cintens1ty | I'm just about bald, I'm so frustrated. |
| 19:52.50 | utahcon | duct tape |
| 19:52.58 | jp-enguin | superglue? |
| 19:53.10 | p0et1cintens1ty | I'd lawl at that, but I've been at this too long for humor at this point. *sigh* |
| 19:53.36 | p0et1cintens1ty | ah, well... at least it's Friday. |
| 19:54.37 | DexterTheDragon | p0et1cintens1ty: I'd like to go with the 'at least its friday' too, but I just know what it will mean for monday :) |
| 19:56.29 | p0et1cintens1ty | yup... I'm gonna pound on this for the next 6 hours, for sure. |
| 19:56.37 | p0et1cintens1ty | and it's gonna suck until I make some sort of connection. |
| 19:56.57 | DexterTheDragon | Utah_Dave would be the one to know tho |
| 19:57.37 | p0et1cintens1ty | ~wave Utah_Dave |
| 19:57.38 | ibot | Bye, Utah_Dave |
| 19:57.41 | p0et1cintens1ty | LOL |
| 19:57.43 | p0et1cintens1ty | er... |
| 19:57.50 | p0et1cintens1ty | ~greet Utah_Dave |
| 19:57.51 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on Utah_Dave |
| 19:57.58 | p0et1cintens1ty | that's more like it |
| 20:00.38 | p0et1cintens1ty | man... I hate it when a community makes assumptions about n00b knowledge. |
| 20:00.55 | p0et1cintens1ty | there's gotta be a tutorial on how to connect a flippin' softphone to asterisk... |
| 20:01.09 | p0et1cintens1ty | all the sites I've visited assume that's the easiest thing in the world, so they don't explain how... |
| 20:01.15 | DexterTheDragon | p0et1cintens1ty: http://www.hotbutteredit.com/video/voip/asterisk/asterik_setting_up_softphones.htm ? |
| 20:01.20 | p0et1cintens1ty | I haven't been this lost in a LONG time. |
| 20:03.01 | p0et1cintens1ty | thanks, DexterTheDragon - so far, this has been the best I've found. |
| 20:03.04 | p0et1cintens1ty | (you've found) |
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| 20:07.43 | Utah_Dave | p0et1cintens1ty: Which softphone are you using? |
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| 20:09.57 | p0et1cintens1ty | Well... I just tried to download x-lite, but it's complaining about libglade, so it doesn't even load... |
| 20:10.09 | p0et1cintens1ty | I've got linphone installed and ready to go, though. |
| 20:10.18 | Utah_Dave | So you're on linux? |
| 20:10.21 | p0et1cintens1ty | I am |
| 20:10.43 | Utah_Dave | OK, where is your asterisk box located? Is there a firewall or nat between you and it? |
| 20:10.52 | p0et1cintens1ty | nope.... it's switched, that's it. |
| 20:10.57 | p0et1cintens1ty | both on internal lan... |
| 20:11.02 | p0et1cintens1ty | it's on the other side of the room |
| 20:11.09 | p0et1cintens1ty | this should be e-a-s-y |
| 20:11.18 | p0et1cintens1ty | evidently, I'm a moron. ;-) |
| 20:11.19 | Utah_Dave | Do you have a cute unicorn sticker on your asterisk box? |
| 20:11.23 | Utah_Dave | j/k |
| 20:11.27 | herlo | mgeary: so, you reminded me with your Debbie Gibson comment above |
| 20:11.37 | p0et1cintens1ty | hehe... no... but it does have an XP license on the box. |
| 20:11.44 | Utah_Dave | same thing |
| 20:11.57 | herlo | I was looking at the playboy last night with Tiffany :) Not bad. Didn't know she posed... |
| 20:12.03 | Utah_Dave | Are you sure your asterisk server is running and user account is set up correctly? |
| 20:14.03 | p0et1cintens1ty | uhhh yes |
| 20:14.17 | p0et1cintens1ty | I'm ssh'ed into it, and as far as I can tell, it's running as it should be. |
| 20:14.25 | p0et1cintens1ty | I'm using PBX in a flash |
| 20:14.35 | Utah_Dave | OK, are you getting an error from the client? |
| 20:14.43 | p0et1cintens1ty | I'm trying to connect the softphone in order to see if the thing is working... |
| 20:14.45 | p0et1cintens1ty | no... |
| 20:14.45 | p0et1cintens1ty | heh |
| 20:14.48 | p0et1cintens1ty | I haven't even got that far... |
| 20:15.08 | p0et1cintens1ty | I have no idea how to connect the softphone to asterisk, and evidently, everyone on google assumes everyone knows how. |
| 20:15.44 | Utah_Dave | you open Linphone, then go to its configuration dialog and put in the server IP or hostname, username and password, etc |
| 20:15.46 | p0et1cintens1ty | DexterTheDragon gave me a link, and it was a bit helpful, but... |
| 20:16.01 | p0et1cintens1ty | right... except there's nowhere within linphone to put in a "server"... |
| 20:16.08 | p0et1cintens1ty | there's a server proxy, but that's it. |
| 20:17.05 | Utah_Dave | OK, I'm looking on the linphone website and it looks like you have to edit a config file |
| 20:17.05 | p0et1cintens1ty | I'm running something called "linphone-3" |
| 20:17.11 | p0et1cintens1ty | oh... fabulous. |
| 20:17.22 | p0et1cintens1ty | looks like I've chosen the super easy way... :) |
| 20:17.32 | p0et1cintens1ty | (thanks for your help Utah_Dave) |
| 20:17.38 | Utah_Dave | wait, it says there's a gui, too |
| 20:18.40 | Utah_Dave | I'm more familiar with Twinkle. |
| 20:19.27 | Utah_Dave | OK, go to connection->preferences->SIP |
| 20:19.31 | Utah_Dave | It should be on there |
| 20:19.50 | p0et1cintens1ty | heh... yeah.. it should. |
| 20:19.55 | p0et1cintens1ty | there is no "connection", though. |
| 20:20.01 | p0et1cintens1ty | lemme download twinkle |
| 20:20.19 | Utah_Dave | Isn't there a "Server address" field? |
| 20:20.27 | p0et1cintens1ty | nope...' |
| 20:20.38 | p0et1cintens1ty | which (I imagine now) is why I've been so frustrated.. |
| 20:20.40 | p0et1cintens1ty | nothing makes sense. |
| 20:20.52 | Utah_Dave | Hm. I don't know. Maybe there's a bug in that version you're running |
| 20:21.05 | mgeary | hey |
| 20:21.22 | p0et1cintens1ty | yeah... at this point, I don't care at all which softphone I'm using... |
| 20:21.22 | p0et1cintens1ty | I just wanna make a darn connection. |
| 20:21.22 | p0et1cintens1ty | downloading twinkle now |
| 20:21.28 | mgeary | is there an easy way to get javascript to be evaluated on content that is populated by innerHTML replacement? |
| 20:21.43 | mgeary | i don't have time to abstract something out right now |
| 20:23.24 | p0et1cintens1ty | (almost done, Utah_Dave) |
| 20:23.31 | Utah_Dave | ok |
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| 20:31.39 | p0et1cintens1ty | okay, Utah_Dave, Twinkle is installed, and I'm filling out the user profile now. |
| 20:33.53 | herlo | p0et1cintens1ty: ahahahahahahaha, twinkle is teh awesome! |
| 20:34.26 | p0et1cintens1ty | good... good... yeah, so far, this is a heckuva lot more intuitive than linphone |
| 20:35.03 | p0et1cintens1ty | oh, cool.... |
| 20:35.21 | p0et1cintens1ty | okay... so I put in the extension number as the username, and the proper IP, then the "secret" as the password... |
| 20:35.34 | p0et1cintens1ty | the log says that the extension succeeded. |
| 20:35.40 | p0et1cintens1ty | that's a good thing, right? :) |
| 20:35.48 | Utah_Dave | yeah, that sounds right |
| 20:36.02 | p0et1cintens1ty | er... not extension succeeded, rather registration succeeded. |
| 20:36.09 | Utah_Dave | do you have any other extensions created? Or the echo test or anything? |
| 20:36.15 | herlo | p0et1cintens1ty: another good one is ekiga, but twinkle is still way better |
| 20:38.01 | p0et1cintens1ty | heh... I called my ipkall number, and my softphone rang! yee haw! |
| 20:38.15 | Utah_Dave | nice |
| 20:38.19 | p0et1cintens1ty | thanks for getting a client worth something, Utah_Dave |
| 20:38.24 | p0et1cintens1ty | at least I'm on the right path, now. |
| 20:38.37 | Utah_Dave | No problem. |
| 20:38.48 | Utah_Dave | Let me know if you have any other questions. |
| 20:40.53 | herlo | p0et1cintens1ty: if this helps http://talk.fedoraproject.org/client-twinkle.html |
| 20:41.02 | herlo | there's a tutorial at the tope |
| 20:41.03 | herlo | top |
| 20:41.05 | herlo | I created it |
| 20:42.19 | p0et1cintens1ty | thanks! |
| 20:46.50 | herlo | :) np |
| 21:35.51 | DexterTheDragon | ~apb mindjuju |
| 21:35.52 | ibot | ACTION hires baby Lyssa to stake out mindjuju |
| 21:38.25 | mgeary | ~steak mindjuju |
| 21:38.30 | mgeary | ~stake mindjuju |
| 21:38.36 | mgeary | ~strike mindjuju |
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| 22:23.47 | DexterTheDragon | swb: see my tweet? |
| 22:32.08 | p0et1cintens1ty | ok... another question about sip / rtp, if you've got a sec, Utah_Dave |
| 22:32.20 | p0et1cintens1ty | I understand that the sip protocol uses port 5060 |
| 22:32.33 | p0et1cintens1ty | not entirely sure what port rtp uses.. |
| 22:32.45 | p0et1cintens1ty | I need to punch a hole through my firewall to allow external calls... |
| 22:32.47 | p0et1cintens1ty | any ideas? |
| 22:33.36 | beandog | find out what kind of soda the sysadmin likes |
| 22:36.16 | justincarmony | DexterTheDragon: its the UPHPU applebees, right? |
| 22:36.32 | DexterTheDragon | thats the only one in draper I know of |
| 22:36.39 | beandog | applebees? |
| 22:36.41 | beandog | wait, whut? |
| 22:36.41 | jsmith | p0et1cintens1ty: SIP uses port 5060 |
| 22:36.46 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: gonna come? |
| 22:36.48 | beandog | did I miss someting again? is there a geektogether? |
| 22:36.54 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: when, where? |
| 22:36.55 | jsmith | p0et1cintens1ty: RTP uses random high-numbered ports, typically between 10,000 and 30,000 UDP |
| 22:37.04 | p0et1cintens1ty | hrm.... |
| 22:37.08 | p0et1cintens1ty | (thanks, jsmith) |
| 22:37.16 | jsmith | p0et1cintens1ty: (and as a rule of thumb, it's probably not a good idea to just open up 20,000 UDP ports on your firewall) |
| 22:37.30 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: we're getting together for dinner tonight, draper applebees 7. sheri, velda, fungus, some others |
| 22:37.38 | p0et1cintens1ty | right... I'm trying to grasp how I'm going to get around that |
| 22:37.42 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: woo hoo, I can do that |
| 22:37.46 | DexterTheDragon | awesome |
| 22:38.04 | p0et1cintens1ty | as of now, I can call my asterisk number, and my softphone rings, but no voice gets through... |
| 22:38.05 | beandog | err, that made no sense |
| 22:38.08 | p0et1cintens1ty | then the call ends 20 seconds later... |
| 22:38.19 | p0et1cintens1ty | My guess is that it's a firewall issue... |
| 22:38.25 | p0et1cintens1ty | the sip is getting through, but not the rtp. |
| 22:39.18 | beandog | ~sip p0et1cintens1ty |
| 22:39.38 | DexterTheDragon | ~rtp p0et1cintens1ty |
| 22:40.08 | jsmith | p0et1cintens1ty: Sounds like the return SIP traffic might not be getting back, if the call actually dies after 20 seconds |
| 22:40.29 | jsmith | p0et1cintens1ty: If it were just RTP, the call would stay up (unless you had rtp timeouts set) |
| 22:41.25 | p0et1cintens1ty | hmm... |
| 22:41.28 | fungus | oh yes. Applebees tonight |
| 22:41.46 | p0et1cintens1ty | that's entirely possible... I'm just trying to wrap my head around the whole Voip stack / process. |
| 22:41.52 | jsmith | p0et1cintens1ty: I could go on and on about SIP and RTP and NAT firewalls :-/ |
| 22:41.58 | Utah_Dave | p0et1cintens1ty: have you tried using IAX? It's a lot easier to deal with nat with IAX |
| 22:42.48 | p0et1cintens1ty | I don't even know what IAX means or is. |
| 22:43.09 | beandog | its like THX. But for phones. |
| 22:43.44 | p0et1cintens1ty | I sure am tryin', though.l |
| 22:45.00 | fungus | I just give up with SIP and NAT. I have a gateway with both internal and external interfaces. |
| 22:45.16 | p0et1cintens1ty | hmm... |
| 22:45.27 | p0et1cintens1ty | if fungus gives up, that doesn't leave me a lot of hope... :) |
| 22:45.34 | fungus | internal for the phones to connect to, and external for the trunks |
| 22:47.37 | DexterTheDragon | p0et1cintens1ty: you should come to dinner too |
| 22:49.44 | jsmith | p0et1cintens1ty: Unfortunately, there's no simple solution... that being said, it's not *that* hard to grok |
| 22:53.45 | jtsnow | ~lart CiviCRM |
| 22:53.45 | ibot | pushes the wall down onto CiviCRM whilst whistling innocently |
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| 22:57.18 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Hey guys do you know how I can install Unzip on my free bsd server? |
| 23:00.08 | fungus | cd /usr/ports/archivers/unzip; make install clean |
| 23:00.48 | fungus | or, possibly "pkg_add -r unzip" |
| 23:01.35 | JacobEdmondKerrU | sweet thanx man that worked.. |
| 23:01.57 | orsonj | cool, multiple css backgrounds in ff3.6 |
| 23:06.42 | fungus | JacobEdmondKerrU, if you want to install anything on FreeBSD it's best to check ports first. They are the easiest, and best way to install almost anything |
| 23:07.12 | fungus | often you can just "ls -d /usr/ports/*/packagename" to check if it's there |
| 23:07.39 | fungus | feel free to browse around |
| 23:07.45 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Sweet thanx. |
| 23:08.25 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Well I did make which worked because that's what my boss asked me to do before I saw your message now when I type install in that diectory it gives me ussage info. |
| 23:08.46 | fungus | just type "make install" |
| 23:09.07 | JacobEdmondKerrU | k. |
| 23:09.08 | fungus | or "make install clean" to clean up automatically after you are done |
| 23:10.41 | fungus | "make" by itself just builds the package, "make install" installs it (optionally builds it first if not already done) |
| 23:10.50 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Sweetness it works! Woo! |
| 23:10.59 | fungus | "make clean" cleans up temporary stuff |
| 23:11.18 | fungus | ~freebsd++ |
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| 23:14.31 | p0et1cintens1ty | figured it out... |
| 23:14.44 | p0et1cintens1ty | sip_custom.conf needed my external IP addy |
| 23:14.58 | p0et1cintens1ty | (and my internal set, too) |
| 23:21.42 | orsonj | Ok, I just found a strange bug. When I set subpixel rendering to VRGB, I get strange drop shadows. any other mode (RGB BGR VBGR) works fine. |
| 23:23.35 | fungus | "Doctor, it hurts when I move like this..." "Don't do that." |
| 23:51.01 | itimber | have a great weekend everyone... I'm out |