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| 00:00.37 | mgeary | i don't have an Administrative Tools Start Menu entry |
| 00:00.48 | fungus | Then it's hiding in the Control Panel |
| 00:00.59 | mgeary | i downloaded EASEUS Partition Master, and it says my partition is 10.8 GB |
| 00:02.06 | Mulligan | I am looking for some help in parsing a response from a remote page like the following: |
| 00:02.06 | Mulligan | TOKEN=EC%2d5A200320WB521615H&TIMESTAMP=2009%2d11%2d30T23%3a56%3a30Z&CORRELATIONID=eb977bbc1af9e&ACK=Success&VERSION=52%2e0&BUILD=1105502 |
| 00:02.13 | fungus | after using parallels to extend the disk, what steps inside Windows did you use to extend the filesystem? if any? |
| 00:02.37 | Mulligan | I can not seem to figure out how to parse the resonse... Any suggestions? |
| 00:02.50 | mgeary | well, i've done nothing today. I expanded the disk several months ago, but then was blessed by not having to use Windows in any meaningful way for a long time, so the problem didn't annoy me |
| 00:02.52 | tierra | built in defragment tool is in "Computer Management" (in administrative tools) |
| 00:03.15 | fungus | Mulligan, first split it up by &, then split by equals, then urldecode the values |
| 00:03.26 | mgeary | i found Disk Defragmenter in Accessories -> System Tools |
| 00:03.46 | tierra | or there, heh |
| 00:04.22 | Mulligan | fungus: I do not mean to sound stupid, but I have been looking at this for hours, can you give me an example? |
| 00:04.32 | mgeary | ah, found it |
| 00:05.06 | mgeary | yeah, so Computer Management says my partition is 10.8 gb |
| 00:05.18 | fungus | Mulligan, http://php.net/split will handle the splits for you without resorting to regex stuff |
| 00:05.25 | Mulligan | Thanks... |
| 00:06.10 | fungus | mgeary, does the partition take up the full disk size? or is there free space? |
| 00:06.15 | mgeary | i don't see any free space |
| 00:06.21 | mgeary | appears to all be "Primary Partition" |
| 00:06.53 | fungus | any "Unallocated" |
| 00:07.27 | mgeary | not that i can see |
| 00:08.23 | fungus | does the disk size in the top half match the disk size in the bottom half |
| 00:08.43 | mgeary | yep, essentially |
| 00:08.48 | fungus | eg. C: 10G, Disk 0 10G |
| 00:09.39 | fungus | Then there is nothing wrong. |
| 00:10.12 | mgeary | except that i can't find where all my space is going |
| 00:10.26 | beandog | the cloud |
| 00:10.27 | mgeary | JDiskReport says only ~7 GB are being used |
| 00:10.33 | mgeary | i want those other 3 dang gigs |
| 00:10.48 | fungus | is that 7G on disk, or accumulated file size? |
| 00:10.55 | fungus | There is a difference |
| 00:11.15 | fungus | eg. a 0 byte file, still takes up one cluster of disk space |
| 00:11.29 | cycokilr | ntfs? |
| 00:11.39 | fungus | some utilities claim it as 0 bytes, others count clusters |
| 00:12.18 | cycokilr | http://www.jam-software.com/freeware/index.shtml <-- very handy for finding what's taking up the space |
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| 00:12.37 | mgeary | fungus: no idea. but considering that i expanded the disk from ~7 gigs months ago because i was having problems, i believe the space i added is somehow still not properly allocated |
| 00:13.09 | fungus | If Disk Management properly shows C: to be 10G then it has been properly expanded |
| 00:13.31 | mgeary | cycokilr: trying that tool |
| 00:14.01 | mgeary | heh |
| 00:14.32 | mgeary | so that tool says i'm using 6023.6 MB of my 10.7GB drive, but it also reports 783 megs free |
| 00:14.42 | mgeary | the 783 megs free is correct, that's all i can currently use |
| 00:15.50 | fungus | I would bet that you have a lot of very small files on your drive that are taking up the "empty" space |
| 00:15.59 | mgeary | now, it does also say there is a "System Volume Information" top-level directory where "Access is denied" |
| 00:15.59 | mgeary | implying it couldn't tally the usage there |
| 00:16.51 | fungus | default NTFS cluster size is 4K, so every file takes up at a minimum 4K |
| 00:17.22 | mgeary | possibly, but that would suggest that if i were to, right now, increase my drive by 1 GB, i would see 1 GB become immediately available, right? |
| 00:17.36 | mgeary | (approximately 1gb) |
| 00:17.51 | fungus | after you extend the disk, followed by extending the filesystem, yes |
| 00:18.05 | cycokilr | what is your cluster size? was it set higher than 4k by chance? |
| 00:18.10 | cycokilr | that'll eat up space quick.. |
| 00:18.13 | mgeary | where do i find that? |
| 00:21.23 | fungus | mgeary, chkdsk c: |
| 00:21.35 | fungus | "bytes in each allocation unit" |
| 00:22.32 | mgeary | yeah, it's at 4k |
| 00:25.38 | fungus | mgeary, instead of using a fancy utility, you can use the properties of any folder to locate it. |
| 00:25.44 | fungus | it's more painful, but more accurate. |
| 00:25.56 | fungus | since it shows both size, and "size on disk" |
| 00:27.42 | mgeary | hah |
| 00:27.48 | mgeary | FOUND the bugger |
| 00:27.53 | mgeary | it's this dang System Volume Information |
| 00:28.03 | mgeary | there's a restore snapshot thingy there |
| 00:28.09 | mgeary | taking up ~4GB |
| 00:28.09 | cycokilr | nice |
| 00:28.15 | mgeary | so how do i nuke that? |
| 00:28.26 | cycokilr | turn off system restore in the system properties |
| 00:28.34 | mgeary | where is that? |
| 00:28.36 | cycokilr | or just crank it down so it's not using so much space.. |
| 00:28.43 | cycokilr | control panel -> system |
| 00:28.50 | cycokilr | one of the tabs there |
| 00:31.59 | cycokilr | oops |
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| 05:25.58 | mindjuju | either nobody has said anything since 3pm or pidgin has be crashed for quite some time |
| 05:26.13 | mgeary | boo |
| 05:26.26 | mindjuju | hi mgeary |
| 05:26.28 | mindjuju | how are you? |
| 05:26.34 | mindjuju | you aren't usually on this late? |
| 05:26.42 | mgeary | not often |
| 05:27.02 | mgeary | just when i'm trying to get more familiar with PyDev+Eclipse and trying to find support in various channels |
| 05:36.26 | herlo | mindjuju: ping |
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| 14:00.19 | utahcon | Dude is in the middle of nowhere, has a payphone, and streaming video? http://phoneboxexperiment.com/ |
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| 16:11.20 | mindjuju | ~apb swb |
| 16:11.20 | ibot | ACTION calls Duane Lee to find swb |
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| 16:39.37 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Once you setup a database via a query like "create database employees;" how do you set the username and password for it :) |
| 16:40.15 | jsmith | Which database? MySQL? PostgreSQL? |
| 16:40.22 | JacobEdmondKerrU | mysql sorry |
| 16:40.24 | beandog | Access 97 |
| 16:40.28 | jsmith | Typically, you use a "GRANT" statement |
| 16:40.52 | jsmith | Something like "GRANT all privileges on foo.* to 'bob' identified by 's3cr3t'; |
| 16:41.11 | JacobEdmondKerrU | sweet and setting the password> |
| 16:41.13 | JacobEdmondKerrU | ? |
| 16:41.16 | beandog | then flush privileges; |
| 16:41.21 | beandog | ~flush mindjuju |
| 16:41.22 | ibot | ACTION flushes mindjuju like mindjuju was yesterday's lunch |
| 16:41.36 | jsmith | Yeah... don't forget to "FLUSH privileges" afterward |
| 16:44.40 | cycokilr | you might want to think about the access you give the user.. if you grant all, might as well just use the root account.. |
| 16:45.00 | cycokilr | maybe a grant select,update,insert... would be in order.. |
| 16:45.38 | JacobEdmondKerrU | K, I need to learn this stuff bad LOL. I'm use to just using Plesk LOL. |
| 16:45.55 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Where I work now no Plesk it's all command line. |
| 16:46.49 | thebigdog | no time like the present to learn |
| 16:48.13 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Heh well I have an application I need to build by the end of the week. |
| 16:48.23 | JacobEdmondKerrU | so... Hopefully I can learn this quick.. |
| 16:49.52 | fungus | cycokilr, it's generally ok to grant all to a specific database, like jsmith suggested. using root has all privs to all databases. |
| 16:50.21 | Utah_Dave | Nice, I've got 5 identical 21 inch monitors on my desk. 2 for my laptop dock and 3 for my workstation. |
| 16:50.40 | jsmith | Besides... it's easier to learn the basics first, then come back and learn more specifics of the GRANT command once you understand the basics |
| 16:50.41 | Utah_Dave | Ultramon rocks for managing them all with Windows |
| 16:52.53 | thebigdog | Utah_Dave: just give me a nice 22-24 inch monitor with mulit desktops and I will rock the world |
| 16:52.53 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 16:53.23 | cycokilr | fungus: yeah i know.. just better practice to give only the necessary access.. |
| 16:53.26 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 16:54.35 | cycokilr | better to teach people to do things the "right" way the first time so they don't learn bad habits ;) |
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| 16:57.24 | fungus | cycokilr, I agree, but with webapps in general limiting the mysql user to only S, I, U, D is still just as dangerous as just granting all on that database. |
| 16:58.49 | cycokilr | to each his own i suppose.. |
| 16:58.50 | fungus | unless you have a read-only webapp, isolating permissions to the database is just fine. |
| 16:59.48 | mgeary | plesk is the devil |
| 17:00.58 | JacobEdmondKerrU | So in order to set a username and password on a database I first need to create the user then assign the user to the database then flush right? |
| 17:01.24 | cycokilr | the grant statement will create the user and assign it to the database. |
| 17:01.26 | JacobEdmondKerrU | there's like a mysql.user table or something. |
| 17:01.37 | cycokilr | http://www.ntchosting.com/mysql/grant.html <-- that has some great examples |
| 17:01.50 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Sweet I was looking for some good examples online. |
| 17:02.08 | orsonj | there is a table, but rights are cached, so you have to tell it to reload rights from the table |
| 17:02.24 | JacobEdmondKerrU | K. |
| 17:03.00 | JacobEdmondKerrU | I actually have a script a co-worker wrote that I can use but I really want to write it myself :) |
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| 17:07.03 | JacobEdmondKerrU | so if I go to setup that user and it already exist it will throw an error right? |
| 17:08.45 | cycokilr | it shouldn't.. |
| 17:08.53 | cycokilr | should just update the info.. |
| 17:09.03 | JacobEdmondKerrU | K. |
| 17:10.29 | JacobEdmondKerrU | then just send "FLUSH PRIVILEGES" right |
| 17:10.38 | cycokilr | yep |
| 17:10.51 | JacobEdmondKerrU | :) |
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| 17:23.30 | JacobEdmondKerrU | If you're to store a credit card number in the database would you encrypt it and if so what encryption would you use? |
| 17:23.40 | mgeary | i wouldn't do it |
| 17:23.41 | mgeary | not ever |
| 17:23.56 | mgeary | i just wouldn't want that liability following me around |
| 17:24.21 | cycokilr | we do encrypt a handful of fields in our database(s) here.. |
| 17:24.25 | cycokilr | not sure what they use. |
| 17:24.37 | cycokilr | our developers set that part up.. |
| 17:25.05 | cycokilr | but to answer your question, yes, if you store credit card info you should encrypt it.. |
| 17:25.15 | DexterTheDragon | but you should never store it |
| 17:25.19 | JacobEdmondKerrU | K I will look into it. This server already has a bazillion CC numbers etc in it's DBs and log files. |
| 17:25.53 | DexterTheDragon | cause if someone can hack your db chances are they hacked the code too and can unencrypt them |
| 17:27.34 | cycokilr | we use a separate server that holds our encryption keys for the database info.. so 3 servers basically, web server, db server, crypt server.. |
| 17:27.39 | cycokilr | works pretty nice.. |
| 17:27.47 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Nice. |
| 17:27.55 | cycokilr | and we roll the keys every 30 days.. |
| 17:28.03 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Very smart. |
| 17:29.00 | mgeary | it'd be a ton easier, and probably cheaper, to use Authorize.net's CIM feature, which offloads that liability to them |
| 17:29.04 | mgeary | that's what we do |
| 17:29.31 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Hmmm good idea that's the gateway I am using. I will look into that. |
| 17:29.57 | JacobEdmondKerrU | so I can have them save it all and query their DB or something? |
| 17:30.02 | mgeary | not quite |
| 17:30.26 | mgeary | you set up a customer profile, which gives you back a profile ID, and then for a given profile, you can setup any number of payment profiles |
| 17:30.31 | mgeary | each of which also gives you back an id |
| 17:30.44 | JacobEdmondKerrU | K. |
| 17:30.52 | mgeary | then you can simply say, "hey, for payment profile XYZ for user profile ABC, bill $15" |
| 17:31.18 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Sweet that's perfect. |
| 17:31.35 | mgeary | so in your DB you're just storing foreign keys |
| 17:31.48 | mgeary | that can't be abused without your auth.net key data & such |
| 17:44.57 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Do you guys use __autoload to auto load your classes? |
| 17:45.30 | mgeary | yes |
| 17:46.31 | JacobEdmondKerrU | There's no down fall in load time or anything is there? |
| 17:48.29 | mgeary | meh |
| 17:48.38 | mgeary | cleaner code is better than a non-measurable performance hit |
| 17:48.40 | mgeary | imo |
| 17:49.57 | JacobEdmondKerrU | I'm wondering if i put the auto load on the page I am going to use all my classes on if I have to put autoload into my class also to access all my classes from their. |
| 17:50.32 | mgeary | you put the autoload in whatever global config file you load on every page |
| 17:50.40 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Sweet. |
| 17:51.58 | macnewbold | cycokilr: even with the separate crypto server, if someone were to compromise your web server, they'd be able to talk to your crypt server juts like your web server does, having it decrypt stuff for them... so you're still screwed until you discover the compromise and shutdown access |
| 17:54.25 | macnewbold | JacobEdmondKerrU: one thing you might try for your storing cards thing is a service, where someone else takes the liability... |
| 17:54.50 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Yeah M Geary was telling me about that. |
| 17:54.54 | macnewbold | for example, authorize.net has a CIM API (customer information manager) that stores the CC# on their side |
| 17:55.00 | JacobEdmondKerrU | I think I'm going to use Authorize.net stuff. |
| 17:55.06 | macnewbold | ah, yes, i see |
| 17:55.10 | JacobEdmondKerrU | :) |
| 17:55.15 | mindjuju | sup beandog |
| 17:55.23 | macnewbold | ~salute mindjuju |
| 17:55.24 | ibot | ACTION shows mindjuju how to count in binary on his fingers... then stops conspiciously on the number 4 |
| 17:55.33 | macnewbold | oh, that wasn't what I intended |
| 17:55.42 | mindjuju | sup macnewbold |
| 17:57.03 | mindjuju | wow, 1tb external, $80 |
| 18:01.21 | SunSparc | I got me an 1.5 external for around $150 a couple months ago. |
| 18:01.24 | SunSparc | So nice. |
| 18:09.43 | PoeticIntensity | yo beandog |
| 18:12.45 | SunSparc | Any BYU fans here? |
| 18:14.08 | mindjuju | a fan of byu in general or a fan of byu sports? |
| 18:14.23 | SunSparc | BYU football fan. |
| 18:14.45 | mindjuju | not much of a football fan |
| 18:14.49 | SunSparc | Someone just tweeted this image and I thought it was funny enough to share: http://tweetphoto.com/5632663 |
| 18:15.03 | mindjuju | but i heard that one of the byu guys said some mean stuff to the Utes |
| 18:15.52 | fungus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvLdPk-H94Y |
| 18:16.38 | mindjuju | heh |
| 18:17.22 | mindjuju | well, there aren't any minced words in that! |
| 18:19.02 | mindjuju | @fungus - this is funny |
| 18:19.03 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEWqpazYXls&NR=1 |
| 18:22.09 | unum | he was mad because sports fans are mean hateful jerks |
| 18:22.22 | unum | but he's stupid enough to think byu fans aren't that way |
| 18:22.29 | unum | they are ALL that way |
| 18:22.48 | unum | and the atheletes are the worst of all |
| 18:23.01 | JacobEdmondKerrU | frick man our server goes down frequently and I get a bazillion calls everytime.. |
| 18:23.06 | JacobEdmondKerrU | So much fun. |
| 18:23.33 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Someone went to install Drupel and boom! The server crashed wt.. |
| 18:23.43 | unum | ok I have met some sports fans and even some athletes that aren't complete jerks |
| 18:23.45 | JacobEdmondKerrU | drupal* |
| 18:23.51 | unum | but all teams have fans that are jerks |
| 18:24.12 | unum | though, growing up I realized that all the people I hated in my ward were byu fans |
| 18:25.24 | PoeticIntensity | in another story, a fat guy plays drums and records himself doing it. :) |
| 18:25.26 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xD2w3WB3dA |
| 18:26.16 | mindjuju | hey, i know that guy |
| 18:26.23 | PoeticIntensity | tee hee |
| 18:26.29 | mindjuju | k, right off the bat, i gotta question |
| 18:26.40 | mindjuju | and i'm not trying to be rude or anything, i honestly don't know |
| 18:26.45 | PoeticIntensity | no worries, bro. |
| 18:26.55 | mindjuju | so you're sitting down and getting ready to play drums, what's with the headphones? |
| 18:27.00 | mindjuju | can't you hear the drums? |
| 18:27.02 | PoeticIntensity | great question... |
| 18:27.12 | PoeticIntensity | I need to hear the music I'm playing with. |
| 18:27.19 | mindjuju | ah |
| 18:27.19 | PoeticIntensity | without letting the drum mics pick up the music. |
| 18:27.21 | mindjuju | makes sense |
| 18:29.04 | mindjuju | is that in your house or in a studio? |
| 18:29.09 | PoeticIntensity | my house. |
| 18:29.16 | PoeticIntensity | I have a little studio I've built. |
| 18:29.32 | mindjuju | can you hear it throughout the house/ |
| 18:29.38 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 18:29.42 | PoeticIntensity | it's not sound-proofed. |
| 18:29.42 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:29.50 | PoeticIntensity | but it is acoustically treated. |
| 18:30.00 | PoeticIntensity | so it sounds good *inside*, but it doesn't keep the sound from going outside. |
| 18:30.19 | mindjuju | that was good! |
| 18:30.39 | mindjuju | so are you going solo? |
| 18:30.55 | PoeticIntensity | uhh.... |
| 18:31.03 | PoeticIntensity | not sure what you mean by that... |
| 18:31.15 | PoeticIntensity | I'm playing the drums alone.. |
| 18:31.17 | mindjuju | Herod The Fink != Mystic |
| 18:31.26 | PoeticIntensity | Mystic? |
| 18:31.39 | PoeticIntensity | Herod the Fink is a friend and I... |
| 18:31.51 | PoeticIntensity | Jesse sings and plays guitars... |
| 18:31.57 | PoeticIntensity | I do keys, drums and backup vocals.. |
| 18:32.13 | PoeticIntensity | No offense, but what does "Mystic" mean? |
| 18:32.17 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: That was rockin! |
| 18:32.24 | PoeticIntensity | (thanks SunSparc) |
| 18:32.30 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:32.59 | Utah_Dave | PoeticIntensity: nice! sounded really good |
| 18:33.29 | Utah_Dave | PoeticIntensity: I think it would be better if you had a mohawk, a bunch of tats and no shirt, though |
| 18:33.38 | Utah_Dave | just a suggestion |
| 18:33.39 | PoeticIntensity | Thanks, Utah_Dave .... LOL |
| 18:33.39 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 18:33.45 | PoeticIntensity | *facepalm* |
| 18:33.52 | PoeticIntensity | so ya wanna see the keg, do ya? |
| 18:34.06 | PoeticIntensity | I jiggle a lot under there... :-D |
| 18:34.33 | SunSparc | lol |
| 18:34.35 | PoeticIntensity | I have *got* to start working out. |
| 18:34.41 | SunSparc | mindjuju: I have a suggestion for a geek lunch |
| 18:34.52 | SunSparc | DP Cheesesteaks in AF. |
| 18:34.59 | SunSparc | A-MAZ-ING |
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| 18:48.49 | mindjuju | anyboyd know a way to search through an index of google ads? |
| 18:50.22 | orsonj | (food poisoning probably had something to do with that though, although walking 10+ miles was a good preventative measure.) |
| 18:50.39 | SunSparc | mindjuju: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=search+through+an+index+of+google+ads |
| 18:50.44 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 18:51.31 | mindjuju | son of a! |
| 18:51.43 | mindjuju | here is what i was doing |
| 18:51.44 | mindjuju | find listing of google ads |
| 18:51.59 | mindjuju | wait wait |
| 18:52.02 | mindjuju | your URL is bunk |
| 18:52.09 | mindjuju | i have seen these results before |
| 18:52.17 | mindjuju | it's alternatives TO google ads |
| 18:52.22 | mindjuju | i need to see THE google ads |
| 18:52.44 | SunSparc | heh |
| 18:52.53 | mindjuju | ~nosepick sunsparc |
| 18:52.54 | ibot | ACTION plucks sunsparc out of the nose of humanity and flicks him out the window! |
| 18:53.11 | SunSparc | Wheeeeeeeeee.....! |
| 18:53.25 | SunSparc | So you just want to see google ads and just google ads. |
| 18:53.32 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:53.32 | SunSparc | And search them... |
| 18:53.34 | SunSparc | Hmmm |
| 18:53.37 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:53.41 | mindjuju | crazy huh |
| 18:53.49 | orsonj | ~lart mindjuju for wanting ads |
| 18:53.49 | ibot | runs at mindjuju with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut for wanting ads |
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| 19:14.13 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Do you guys run all your queries through mysql_real_escape_string()? |
| 19:15.06 | orsonj | I run all non numeric data through it, but not the entire query |
| 19:15.17 | mgeary | i run all values through it |
| 19:15.27 | mgeary | as opposed to table/field names |
| 19:16.09 | JacobEdmondKerrU | k. |
| 19:16.32 | orsonj | If it is numeric (float), (int) casting is quicker and equally secure. |
| 19:17.07 | mgeary | i can't believe it's quicker enough to make the difference such that it's worth changing your code with a bunch of type-detecting statements |
| 19:17.24 | mgeary | simple code > fast code |
| 19:17.25 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Is there a way to avoid Undefined index without having to check isset when priting from $_REQUEST or something? |
| 19:17.48 | mgeary | JacobEdmondKerrU: you can turn off warnings |
| 19:17.48 | orsonj | I don't do it if I have to detect type, just if I know it before hand like price, quantity, etc type values |
| 19:18.08 | JacobEdmondKerrU | K so I do not really have to worry about undefined indexes right. |
| 19:18.09 | mgeary | orsonj: ah, well my sql is all abstracted into an ActiveRecord class |
| 19:18.30 | mgeary | JacobEdmondKerrU: it's better form if you check, but you don't *have* to worry about it |
| 19:18.54 | orsonj | I personally check |
| 19:19.06 | JacobEdmondKerrU | hmm maybe I can put them all into an array and run through a loop and if not set just set them to nothing eh. |
| 19:20.08 | JacobEdmondKerrU | as in ' ' |
| 19:20.27 | orsonj | or null |
| 19:20.47 | orsonj | whichever works for your situation |
| 19:20.47 | JacobEdmondKerrU | k. |
| 19:24.38 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, ey |
| 19:32.12 | PoeticIntensity | yo... |
| 19:32.24 | PoeticIntensity | you on IM? |
| 19:32.38 | beandog | nopies |
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| 19:37.14 | mindjuju | @fungus |
| 19:37.49 | mindjuju | did you see there is a SLC VMUG User Group? |
| 19:37.55 | mindjuju | VMware |
| 19:38.40 | mindjuju | http://communities.vmware.com/community/vmug/us-west/salt_lake_city |
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| 19:42.28 | JacobEdmondKerrU | ca I use __get() in my global file and check if isset and if not set to null to avoid the undefined index warning etc.? |
| 19:44.53 | JacobEdmondKerrU | hmmm nvm that prob will not work eh. |
| 20:03.05 | fungus | mindjuju, of course. :) |
| 20:03.16 | fungus | it's held in the next building over from me. |
| 20:05.30 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Did you see my Geek lunch location suggestion? |
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| 20:17.05 | mindjuju | for some reason, pidgin keeps crashing on me |
| 20:19.13 | beandog | it sucks |
| 20:19.18 | beandog | xchat++ |
| 20:20.03 | SunSparc | lol |
| 20:20.04 | beandog | or trillian |
| 20:20.06 | beandog | if youre on windows |
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| 20:20.12 | beandog | I miss trillian. :( |
| 20:20.16 | SunSparc | ~Colloquy++ |
| 20:20.17 | DexterTheDragon | or irssi |
| 20:20.22 | mindjuju | does xchat allow you to do all IM clients in one interface? |
| 20:20.29 | beandog | mindjuju, are you on Windows or Ubuntu? |
| 20:20.33 | beandog | mindjuju, no, xchat is just IRC |
| 20:20.45 | mindjuju | i'm running winders and ubuntu |
| 20:20.46 | DexterTheDragon | irssi + bitlbee does :) |
| 20:21.02 | mindjuju | that's why i was using pidgin, one program, multiple OS |
| 20:21.10 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, really? |
| 20:21.19 | DexterTheDragon | yeah |
| 20:21.20 | beandog | I might have to look into that |
| 20:21.42 | DexterTheDragon | http://www.bitlbee.org/ |
| 20:21.57 | beandog | thankyousir. |
| 20:22.06 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: heck you could do xchat + bitlbee |
| 20:22.17 | beandog | that is one awesome logo |
| 20:38.57 | cycokilr | wow is it just me or does it seem like there are plenty of multi-provider im/chat/irc clients around? sheesh.. |
| 20:39.29 | mindjuju | there is pidgin, trillian, meebo |
| 20:39.34 | mindjuju | others? |
| 20:39.39 | cycokilr | kopete |
| 20:39.44 | cycokilr | palringo |
| 20:40.21 | cycokilr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_instant_messaging_clients |
| 20:40.23 | cycokilr | lots |
| 20:40.26 | cycokilr | too many |
| 20:40.55 | DexterTheDragon | yeah but how many of those actually work |
| 20:41.13 | cycokilr | not my point.. |
| 20:41.38 | cycokilr | enough of them work well enough to be counted.. |
| 20:41.42 | cycokilr | there are too many.. |
| 20:41.47 | cycokilr | that's what i'm saying.. |
| 20:41.54 | cycokilr | kopete wasn't bad |
| 20:42.03 | beandog | actually |
| 20:42.10 | beandog | there's not enough that are *actually good* |
| 20:42.18 | beandog | pidgin is the best, which is really embarassig. |
| 20:42.20 | SunSparc | I tried palringo on my iPhone, it was not too bad |
| 20:42.26 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: yep |
| 20:42.41 | cycokilr | yeah i've used palringo for a few years on win mobile and now iphone.. |
| 20:42.56 | DexterTheDragon | I think thats the problem with linux, too many people doing their own thing instead of working on one good project |
| 20:43.01 | cycokilr | beandog: i never said anything about any of them being good.. i said "work well enough".. pay attention |
| 20:43.06 | SunSparc | If Adium and iChat were married, I think their love child would be the best. |
| 20:43.22 | DexterTheDragon | love the freedom and all that stuff, just wish there was better free software |
| 20:43.29 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, hear hear |
| 20:43.43 | SunSparc | You are free to write that better free software :) |
| 20:43.52 | DexterTheDragon | just like everyone else has |
| 20:43.57 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 20:44.03 | beandog | I'm busy writing a better DVD ripper |
| 20:44.05 | beandog | do it yerself |
| 20:44.19 | DexterTheDragon | I don't have time to write a better IM client, media player, browser.... |
| 20:44.23 | SunSparc | Or find the one you like the most and encourage it to be better with monetary contributions. |
| 20:44.38 | SunSparc | beandog: Better than Handbrake or MacTheRipper? |
| 20:44.53 | beandog | SunSparc, of course :D |
| 20:44.57 | beandog | mine's a CLI |
| 20:45.05 | SunSparc | Ah |
| 20:45.31 | beandog | when yer ripping 500 DVDs, you wanna take shortcuts. |
| 20:45.34 | beandog | :) |
| 20:45.38 | SunSparc | So it would do media preview in ascii art? |
| 20:45.47 | beandog | Ooh, thats an awesome idea! |
| 20:45.53 | SunSparc | lol! |
| 20:45.58 | SunSparc | Yeah, that would be pretty sweet. |
| 20:46.16 | beandog | I never thought of that |
| 20:46.21 | cycokilr | wow. the nerdiness of that is too much for me.. i'm off to load some servers.. |
| 20:46.30 | beandog | SunSparc, brilliant! |
| 20:46.32 | SunSparc | heh |
| 20:47.53 | beandog | Ive never tried handbrake actually |
| 20:47.58 | beandog | or the other one, for that matter. |
| 20:48.07 | beandog | when I need a gui, I like dvd::rip |
| 20:48.12 | beandog | or ogmrip |
| 20:48.25 | Dezertol | I use handbrake quite a bit and it's worked really well for me |
| 20:48.44 | SunSparc | I ripped my library of 200+. |
| 20:48.55 | SunSparc | I have not heard of dvd:rip or ogmrip |
| 20:49.13 | beandog | SunSparc, I think dvd::rip lets you queue rips |
| 20:49.16 | beandog | kinda like grip |
| 20:49.21 | beandog | Im not sure |
| 20:49.47 | SunSparc | Handbrake queues also. Queuing is nice, if you have the space to store the dvd images. |
| 20:49.49 | beandog | SunSparc, do you encode them to MPEG4 or something? |
| 20:50.06 | SunSparc | beandog: Yes. MP4. |
| 20:50.16 | beandog | which codec |
| 20:51.14 | beandog | why don't you send me all your ripped files and I'll let you know. :) |
| 20:52.24 | orsonj | I just use mplayer and dump directly to vob |
| 20:52.57 | SunSparc | lol |
| 20:53.11 | SunSparc | beandog: I use H.264 |
| 20:53.28 | beandog | SunSparc, nice, how do they look? |
| 20:53.31 | orsonj | Yes, it's a space hogging format, but after last friday, who cares how much space it takes. |
| 20:54.29 | SunSparc | They look really good. I use a low bitrate but doing a dual pass it actually looks really good and the file size for a movie is about 400-500mb. |
| 20:54.40 | beandog | Hmm |
| 20:54.45 | beandog | I really suck at encoding H264 |
| 20:54.54 | beandog | Everytime I do it, the resulting file is somehow *bigger* than my original. |
| 20:55.06 | orsonj | heh, and it looks worse right? |
| 20:55.12 | beandog | No, looks nice |
| 20:55.20 | SunSparc | You should check out Handbrake and see if you can figure out how they do it. |
| 20:55.38 | beandog | ffmpeg -y -i $* -acodec copy -croptop 60 -cropbottom 60 -s 720x480 -aspect 16:9 -deinterlace -vcodec libx264 -vpre hq -crf 12 -threads 0 -acodec a52 -ab 192k "$1".mp4 |
| 20:55.41 | beandog | whee |
| 20:55.52 | beandog | that's for cropping letterobx |
| 20:55.53 | SunSparc | My average bitrate is 500kbps. |
| 20:56.08 | beandog | Oh thats probably why |
| 20:56.15 | beandog | I usually do like 4800 :) |
| 20:56.33 | SunSparc | Holy!! |
| 20:56.47 | SunSparc | Hehe :) |
| 20:57.08 | mindjuju | if you're going to do that, might as well just keep it vob |
| 20:57.12 | mindjuju | or make it an iso or something |
| 20:57.14 | beandog | SunSparc, I start to notice any artifacts if its under 2000 or so |
| 20:57.21 | beandog | mindjuju, yah, thats what I do. |
| 20:57.47 | mindjuju | i was just having this discussion with my boss |
| 20:58.18 | SunSparc | Yeah, 500 has artifacts, but not too bad for casual viewing. |
| 20:58.32 | beandog | SunSparc, yah |
| 20:58.34 | mindjuju | i'm not as interested in seeing the sweat on Gandolf's beard (HD / Blueray / insertSomethingCoolHere) as i am in just watching the movie |
| 20:58.40 | beandog | SunSparc, unfortunately, there is no "casual viewing" on my TV |
| 20:58.50 | beandog | :T |
| 20:58.56 | beandog | heck, even DVDs look bad on that thing. |
| 20:59.01 | beandog | mindjuju, well, you're just weird. |
| 20:59.03 | SunSparc | What kind of tv beandog? |
| 20:59.12 | beandog | SunSparc, 60" DLP |
| 20:59.21 | SunSparc | Oh, yeah. :) |
| 20:59.57 | mindjuju | beandog - http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=DLP+60&cid=10240009665054208425&sa=title#p |
| 21:00.02 | SunSparc | My rips are targeted for my kids and casual viewing on many different mediums, including car monitor and iPHone. |
| 21:00.02 | beandog | DLP > LCD |
| 21:00.12 | orsonj | I have to admit I don't notice artifacts as much even at 200kbps when the screen is 1.2" |
| 21:00.13 | mindjuju | that's abotu $950 more than i can afford |
| 21:00.16 | beandog | mindjuju, no not that one |
| 21:00.32 | SunSparc | orsonj: exactly |
| 21:00.36 | beandog | http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Bravia-KDS-60A3000-60-Inch-Projection/dp/B000TMFYBO |
| 21:00.37 | beandog | I think thats it |
| 21:01.10 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: how much did you pay for it? |
| 21:01.21 | beandog | wow, the prices on lamps is dropping |
| 21:01.33 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, I dont remember ... I think I got an amazing deal at RC Willey for like $1300 or something. |
| 21:01.48 | mindjuju | yeah, here it is at sears outlet for 1500 |
| 21:01.53 | mindjuju | http://www.searsoutlet.com/d/product_details.jsp?pid=2229&ind=48&source=googleps |
| 21:01.59 | mindjuju | that'd be cool to have |
| 21:01.59 | orsonj | sorry, that is 1.8" not 1.2" http://www.everythingusb.com/samsung_yp-t8_1gb.html |
| 21:02.08 | mindjuju | i bet playing games on it is fun |
| 21:02.12 | beandog | yarr |
| 21:02.19 | beandog | been playing Dragon Age |
| 21:02.21 | SunSparc | MW2? |
| 21:02.21 | beandog | fun stuff |
| 21:02.30 | beandog | SunSparc, more like Lego Batman |
| 21:02.37 | SunSparc | Heh |
| 21:02.41 | DexterTheDragon | lego's never looked so good |
| 21:02.50 | beandog | mindjuju, this is why I keep wanting to have a geek movie night at my place |
| 21:02.56 | SunSparc | In all their 8 bit block glory |
| 21:02.56 | beandog | I just got 5.1 surround sound, too |
| 21:03.13 | SunSparc | beandog: What movie? |
| 21:03.19 | DexterTheDragon | 5.1? psssh 7.1 |
| 21:03.25 | beandog | SunSparc, I think for our first night we're gonna do Galaxy Quest on BluRay |
| 21:03.38 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, not enough movies support it. :T |
| 21:03.40 | SunSparc | Oh, those poor people. |
| 21:03.51 | cycokilr | um, can't you get a 60" plasma for ~$1500 these days anyway? |
| 21:03.55 | beandog | Besides, 7.2 > 7.1 :D |
| 21:04.05 | beandog | heh |
| 21:04.29 | beandog | SunSparc, whats wrong with GQ? |
| 21:05.00 | SunSparc | beandog: Sorry, I should have put quotes around that... "Oh, those poor people." |
| 21:05.05 | mindjuju | yeah, see beandog - here is a comparative between standard TVs and uberTVs, the difference is hardly noticeable |
| 21:05.06 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0&feature=related |
| 21:05.21 | beandog | mindjuju, this means war |
| 21:05.31 | SunSparc | beandog: come on, it is a quote from the movie |
| 21:05.36 | beandog | SunSparc, I dont remember that one |
| 21:05.50 | beandog | "Don't open that! Is there air? You don't know!" *holds breath* |
| 21:05.58 | SunSparc | beandog: When they ask what they thought of Gilligan's Island. |
| 21:06.02 | mindjuju | love galaxy quest |
| 21:06.23 | SunSparc | ~Galaxy Quest++ |
| 21:06.53 | beandog | "Look, I have ONE job on this ship. It's stupid, but I'm going to do it, okay?" |
| 21:07.13 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:07.24 | beandog | So, who wants to do geek movie night? :D |
| 21:07.30 | beandog | I'm still wondering if the idea is ever gonna get off the ground |
| 21:07.58 | SunSparc | I could probably swing it. :) |
| 21:08.06 | beandog | Ooh, Terminator: Salvation came out on bluray. That'd be a fun one to watch, too. |
| 21:08.09 | SunSparc | Galaxy Quest, geeks, popcorn.. |
| 21:08.51 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, the thing to really do is get a 1080p projector and have a mammoth 100" screen or something. |
| 21:09.02 | beandog | er, displaying it on your wall |
| 21:09.04 | beandog | that'd be fun |
| 21:09.25 | beandog | SunSparc, what days work best for you |
| 21:09.33 | beandog | supernovia already voted Thursdays |
| 21:09.56 | SunSparc | As of 2010, Thursdays work. |
| 21:10.14 | beandog | k |
| 21:10.21 | SunSparc | Scout night moves to Tuesdays. |
| 21:10.34 | SunSparc | I can finally come to a UPHPU meeting again soon. |
| 21:11.15 | beandog | yay! |
| 21:11.19 | beandog | SunSparc, you gonna present? |
| 21:11.31 | SunSparc | Hrmmm... |
| 21:11.36 | fungus | geek movie night sounds fun, but not for Galaxy Quest. |
| 21:11.42 | beandog | fungus, no? what movie |
| 21:12.03 | justincarmony | we doing a presentation for dec for php? |
| 21:12.19 | mindjuju | Shaun of the Dead is the right movie for Geek Night |
| 21:12.20 | beandog | justincarmony, I heard mindjuju is throwing us a christmas party at his place |
| 21:12.23 | fungus | I got Fight Club, and 12 Monkeys on Bluray |
| 21:12.40 | mindjuju | we could do a lan party the week of the 28th of december |
| 21:12.45 | mindjuju | like one of those days |
| 21:12.46 | beandog | fungus, I think comedies are probably the best way to go |
| 21:12.52 | justincarmony | lol |
| 21:13.00 | fungus | I got Bruno too! |
| 21:13.03 | fungus | :) |
| 21:13.12 | beandog | oy |
| 21:13.26 | SunSparc | How about Twilight... |
| 21:14.03 | beandog | ~revoke SunSparc's geek cred |
| 21:14.04 | ibot | ACTION confiscates and destroys SunSparc's geek cred's DNRC membership certificate |
| 21:14.12 | SunSparc | LOL |
| 21:14.15 | justincarmony | geek card? |
| 21:14.22 | justincarmony | just the geek card? |
| 21:14.38 | beandog | ~find SunSparc's manliness |
| 21:14.41 | orsonj | If you are married, wife card trumps in this situation |
| 21:14.51 | beandog | <ibot> Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 21:14.52 | beandog | LOL |
| 21:14.55 | SunSparc | :D |
| 21:15.46 | beandog | is LOTR even on bluray? |
| 21:15.56 | SunSparc | ~LoTR++ |
| 21:16.06 | beandog | oh, preorder |
| 21:16.54 | mindjuju | don't do it, It's a trap! |
| 21:17.20 | DexterTheDragon | there needs to be a lego LoTR game |
| 21:17.34 | beandog | Oh man ... that would be awesome |
| 21:17.39 | beandog | I'm so excited for Lego Harry Potter, though |
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| 21:20.08 | SunSparc | mindjuju: heh, that reminded me of recent tweet from Vader: http://twitter.com/darthvader/status/6057625583 |
| 21:20.50 | beandog | heh |
| 21:22.08 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 21:23.20 | JacobEdmondKerrU | What does it mean in PHP when you see objects references like: "Gateway::factory" |
| 21:24.14 | SunSparc | That refers to a parent method, if I remember correctly... |
| 21:24.58 | SunSparc | You should ask on a PHP channel... oh, wait... |
| 21:25.03 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:25.04 | JacobEdmondKerrU | lol |
| 21:25.30 | justincarmony | lol, so you're var_dumping an object |
| 21:25.49 | justincarmony | and you see a reference to "Gateway::factory" |
| 21:25.50 | JacobEdmondKerrU | so it's like going Gateway->factory? |
| 21:26.05 | justincarmony | I wonder if its pointing to a static reference |
| 21:26.10 | DexterTheDragon | its a statuc call to a method |
| 21:26.10 | justincarmony | a static member of a class |
| 21:26.15 | JacobEdmondKerrU | because factory in this case id a method in the Gateway object |
| 21:26.29 | JacobEdmondKerrU | is* |
| 21:26.41 | JacobEdmondKerrU | static call hmmm. |
| 21:26.50 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Does that mean it only returns something? |
| 21:27.01 | beandog | it's just a function |
| 21:27.07 | beandog | should be factory(); |
| 21:27.11 | beandog | er |
| 21:27.11 | justincarmony | static means it doesn't require an "instance" of a class |
| 21:27.14 | beandog | Gateway::factory(); |
| 21:27.26 | beandog | er, unless its a var |
| 21:27.27 | JacobEdmondKerrU | oh i c. |
| 21:27.41 | beandog | I think |
| 21:29.15 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Hey what does & infront of methods do? |
| 21:29.44 | SunSparc | Pass by reference |
| 21:30.02 | SunSparc | I think |
| 21:30.13 | SunSparc | Or is that just variables... |
| 21:30.30 | justincarmony | its something for PHP4 stuff |
| 21:30.40 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Well factory is returning an object and that object it's returning extends Gateway |
| 21:30.41 | justincarmony | in PHP5 |
| 21:31.14 | JacobEdmondKerrU | both the method and the call to the method have a & infront of it. |
| 21:31.45 | justincarmony | yeah, do you know what passing by reference does? |
| 21:32.09 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Umm I'm looking it up. |
| 21:32.28 | SunSparc | It passes a reference to the original value instead of a copy of it. |
| 21:32.45 | JacobEdmondKerrU | oh i c. |
| 21:32.56 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Nice. |
| 21:33.11 | JacobEdmondKerrU | witch I can see how handy that can be with OOP |
| 21:33.14 | JacobEdmondKerrU | and php |
| 21:33.16 | SunSparc | Supposedly makes the value more dynamic. |
| 21:33.49 | JacobEdmondKerrU | yeah because if I edit that object any where else since it's referenced in other places it will be updated in those other places as well or something like that. |
| 21:33.57 | justincarmony | now, in PHP5 an object is passed by reference by default |
| 21:34.04 | JacobEdmondKerrU | oh i c.. |
| 21:34.12 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Well that's good I think. |
| 21:34.15 | justincarmony | yeah |
| 21:34.29 | justincarmony | because 98% of the time, you want to pass the reference :P |
| 21:35.13 | JacobEdmondKerrU | Yup yup.. |
| 21:53.04 | Utah_Dave | SunSparc: so squareup has worked well for you? |
| 21:53.31 | SunSparc | Utah_Dave: I was kidding. I have never used it. I just heard about it today. It looks pretty sweet. |
| 21:53.58 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, I was just looking at it. Looks interesting. |
| 21:54.04 | SunSparc | Good step toward using devices to transfer money instead of needing to swipe cards or have cash. |
| 21:57.34 | mindjuju | i'm hungry for pie |
| 21:58.12 | SunSparc | Mmmmm pie... warm... with vanilla ice cream on top... |
| 21:58.22 | mindjuju | yup |
| 22:19.15 | mindjuju | DexterTheDragon rolls eye? |
| 22:19.22 | mindjuju | going a little mad-eye moody on us? |
| 22:19.25 | DexterTheDragon | yes just the one |
| 22:19.33 | mindjuju | is it cause of the pie? |
| 22:19.36 | DexterTheDragon | yes |
| 22:19.56 | mindjuju | sad |
| 22:20.01 | SunSparc | Because it is so wonderful. |
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| 22:20.28 | SunSparc | mindjuju: What type of pie is your favorite? |
| 22:20.32 | DexterTheDragon | pie is great |
| 22:20.35 | mindjuju | pecan |
| 22:20.39 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju just has a problem |
| 22:21.26 | SunSparc | Heh, well, we all have our problems. If I had to rate problems, I think a pie problem would rank pretty low. :) |
| 22:21.53 | mindjuju | the desire for pie, and the consumption of pie are 2 different things |
| 22:22.12 | mindjuju | i desire pie all the time, but over thanksgiving, i only had 2 slices |
| 22:22.17 | mindjuju | from wednesday - sunday |
| 22:22.20 | mindjuju | no bad, methinks |
| 22:22.33 | SunSparc | What? Slacker. |
| 22:22.35 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 22:23.21 | SunSparc | Everyone brought a different kind. |
| 22:24.17 | SunSparc | I really enjoy a good banana cream. Pumpkin is classic, apple is amazing but easy to do wrong. |
| 22:25.48 | unum | mmmm banana cream |
| 22:47.08 | brasto | I like Pidgin more than Trillian |
| 22:47.24 | brasto | oh, i guess that's an old topic... |
| 22:47.25 | brasto | lol |
| 22:47.42 | brasto | i didn't realize my window wasn't scrolled down... |
| 22:49.33 | brasto | My contract boss wants me to make him a bootable usb Debian installer. Any thoughts? I know with the latest OpenSUSE, you can dd the image onto the disk and it works, but I don't know if you can do that with Debian. |
| 22:51.34 | Dezertol | I would think you could.. debian is very package driven so.. you don't need a lot on the install |
| 22:51.49 | SunSparc | Does Debian have a bootable cd image you can download? If so, making a USB bootable with it should be trivial. |
| 22:51.52 | Dezertol | just the core and update utilities |
| 22:52.12 | SunSparc | Or just us Ubuntu. |
| 22:52.31 | Dezertol | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/446 |
| 22:52.50 | Dezertol | Here is a very short (but in my opinion very useful) how-to for creating an USB boot device, which enables you to boot Debian from your memory stick. |
| 22:53.14 | Dezertol | just did a google search for debian bootable |
| 22:53.17 | Dezertol | and that's what came up |
| 22:53.17 | DexterTheDragon | http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:53.21 | Dezertol | looks about right |
| 22:54.50 | beandog | now who would want to boot debian? |
| 22:55.04 | Dezertol | not me |
| 22:55.13 | beandog | brasto, its pretty simple |
| 22:55.20 | beandog | put syslinux on the USB and you can boot anything |
| 22:55.29 | Dezertol | i'm a slackware guy myself.. |
| 22:57.04 | brasto | I don't want to boot debian, but boss does, and what he says goes... ;) |
| 22:57.49 | brasto | Dezertol: I found this one also: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
| 22:58.43 | Dezertol | cool |
| 22:59.03 | Dezertol | lol the linux community ... you have to love it |
| 23:00.17 | brasto | I think I like the one you found more Dez, for just a bootable usb with Debian on it, but for a bootable usb explicitly for install, I think the other one I found might be better. |
| 23:00.49 | brasto | I suppose I should find out if he wants 64 bit or 32 bit before I just up and make the disk now... |
| 23:01.35 | Dezertol | mostly that comes down to how much ram he plans on using |
| 23:02.54 | beandog | brasto, put both on there |
| 23:03.06 | beandog | the debian image can just be an iso sitting on there anyway |
| 23:03.18 | SunSparc | herlo: You wear a utilikilt? |
| 23:04.25 | Dezertol | hehe utilikilt.. I love that video on thinkgeek for that |
| 23:05.54 | Dezertol | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rv9MV2LrLw |
| 23:06.00 | Dezertol | hehe... I love it |
| 23:06.09 | herlo | SunSparc: wearing it now |
| 23:06.23 | herlo | http://phonese.cx/user/arnie/2009/12/1/coworker-wearing-a-skirt/ <-- that's me |
| 23:06.24 | SunSparc | herlo: Sweet! |
| 23:06.47 | herlo | yeah, I love it |
| 23:06.52 | herlo | very comfortable :) |
| 23:07.42 | SunSparc | Dezertol: "Look at this gorgeous top to bottom pleat." |
| 23:07.48 | SunSparc | LOL |
| 23:07.55 | Dezertol | SOOO SOFT |
| 23:08.01 | SunSparc | ROFL |
| 23:09.03 | Dezertol | as a general rule I hate all marketing people but.. this that vid is awsome |
| 23:09.05 | brasto | lol, nice |
| 23:09.32 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:11.12 | beandog | oh. my. |
| 23:11.46 | beandog | just watch out for a strong breeze |
| 23:11.55 | herlo | nah |
| 23:12.07 | herlo | you better watch if you don't want to see anything :) |
| 23:12.07 | DexterTheDragon | isn't that the point |
| 23:12.35 | beandog | I think I've seen enough |
| 23:12.49 | herlo | lol |
| 23:14.33 | beandog | http://adimages.townnews.com/creative/columbiadailyherald.com/173795-1258151069.gif |
| 23:15.02 | SunSparc | WTH! |
| 23:15.25 | mindjuju | wow |
| 23:15.40 | SunSparc | What a deal |
| 23:16.16 | SunSparc | If you like the Utilikilt, you might also like the Medieval Steel Gauntlets http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/jewelry/a96b/ |
| 23:16.19 | beandog | those food prices have really gone up |
| 23:17.19 | beandog | http://www.thinkgeek.com/geek-kids/7-13-years/af1b/ |
| 23:17.20 | beandog | want. |
| 23:18.00 | mindjuju | is it like a kilt, where you just ride commando, or do you actually wear clothes under the robe? |
| 23:21.07 | beandog | please dont answer that until I've left for the day |
| 23:22.01 | mindjuju | you know, now that i think about it, whilst wearing a kilt, is there enough material to cover one, while sitting down? |
| 23:23.38 | beandog | special occasions? |
| 23:23.41 | beandog | like uphpu meetings? |
| 23:23.56 | SunSparc | Lol, that could be arranged. |
| 23:24.07 | mindjuju | awesome! - http://www.thinkgeek.com/clearance/on-sale/9fc6/ |
| 23:24.34 | SunSparc | Oh yeah! |
| 23:25.07 | herlo | SunSparc: I plan on wearing my kilt a lot |
| 23:25.18 | mindjuju | even in the snowy times? |
| 23:25.30 | herlo | yup |
| 23:25.37 | herlo | mindjuju: you'll get to see it this evening :) |
| 23:26.40 | mindjuju | beandog - DON'T click on this - http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/retro-gaming/bfc7/ |
| 23:26.48 | mindjuju | you'll prolly want to buy it right off |
| 23:26.58 | mindjuju | herlo -- scary! |
| 23:27.01 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:27.01 | beandog | is that marble madness? |
| 23:27.05 | mindjuju | yes |
| 23:27.12 | herlo | mindjuju: haha, it's a neat bit of clothing... |
| 23:27.23 | mindjuju | all MAME |
| 23:27.26 | beandog | I hate that game |
| 23:27.31 | beandog | Oh, wow |
| 23:27.34 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 23:27.48 | mindjuju | and other consoles |
| 23:27.55 | mindjuju | you could play legend of zelda on it |
| 23:27.57 | beandog | oh, wow .......... |
| 23:28.00 | mindjuju | and i don't mean the new stuff |
| 23:28.05 | beandog | I already spent my Christmas budget |
| 23:28.06 | mindjuju | THE legend of Zelda |
| 23:28.08 | beandog | on gifts for me |
| 23:28.27 | mindjuju | and you could play other tasty awesome games |
| 23:28.35 | beandog | does it support scummvm? |
| 23:28.54 | mindjuju | there appears to be a wholeSDK for it |
| 23:28.59 | mindjuju | and active community of developers |
| 23:29.02 | beandog | http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/retro-gaming/bd6f/ |
| 23:29.05 | beandog | whats the diff? |
| 23:29.13 | mindjuju | http://dl.openhandhelds.org/cgi-bin/wiz.cgi |
| 23:29.40 | mindjuju | hmm |
| 23:30.00 | mindjuju | maybe size? |
| 23:30.08 | mindjuju | that one you sent over looks like a cell phone |
| 23:30.36 | mindjuju | well, now that i look at both, maybenot |
| 23:31.11 | mindjuju | Runs Linux |
| 23:33.11 | beandog | mindjuju, $99 is far easier to swallow than $180 |
| 23:33.19 | beandog | especially when those old games make me want to scream |
| 23:33.58 | mindjuju | i bet scummvm would work on the one i sent ya |
| 23:34.02 | mindjuju | its running linux |
| 23:34.10 | mindjuju | can you imagine secret of monkey island on that? |
| 23:34.16 | beandog | :D |
| 23:34.21 | beandog | I have the original disks, too |
| 23:34.33 | beandog | on 5" disks |
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| 23:34.43 | mindjuju | alas, you've got me beat, they reisued on CD, i have that |
| 23:34.54 | mindjuju | came with grim fandago, etc |
| 23:34.57 | mindjuju | way good pack |
| 23:36.09 | mindjuju | yeah, that game was awesome |
| 23:36.13 | beandog | what was that one |
| 23:36.15 | beandog | full Throttle |
| 23:36.16 | beandog | :D |
| 23:36.29 | beandog | I have the CD for that, too |
| 23:36.32 | beandog | and LOOM |
| 23:36.32 | mindjuju | full throttle was almost remade for xbox 360 |
| 23:36.38 | mindjuju | it's an aweesome game |
| 23:36.40 | beandog | I dont have Sam n Max tho |
| 23:36.47 | mindjuju | where you play a biker in SCUMM |
| 23:36.51 | mindjuju | way way fun |
| 23:38.17 | beandog | Indiana Jones |
| 23:38.18 | beandog | :D |
| 23:38.20 | beandog | great games |
| 23:38.25 | beandog | All of Monkey Island rocks |
| 23:38.28 | beandog | Whast the second one? |
| 23:38.29 | beandog | That one is HARD. |
| 23:38.50 | beandog | Where it has an easy and a hard version |
| 23:38.51 | beandog | man |
| 23:38.55 | beandog | they dont make em like they used to |
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| 23:59.49 | Utah_Dave | Later, everyone. |
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