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| 15:25.45 | mindjuju | man, i wish i would have kept my star wars stuff from a long time ago |
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| 17:50.01 | DexterTheDragon | ~rlart |
| 17:50.03 | ibot | blames optikal for all the evil in the world |
| 17:50.16 | DexterTheDragon | anybody survive the weekend? |
| 17:50.54 | toph | i did but it doesn't mean I'll survive today |
| 17:51.02 | toph | monday's after a holiday always suck |
| 17:51.27 | Dezertol | there is always so much more work to do |
| 17:51.38 | Dezertol | cuz you didn't have the extra days last week to do it |
| 17:51.56 | Dezertol | and yet.. here I sit at my desk playing everquest2 ;-) |
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| 18:21.09 | justincarmony | ~rlart |
| 18:21.10 | ibot | strangles orsonj with a doohicky mouse cord |
| 18:21.23 | justincarmony | ~lart DexterTheDragon |
| 18:21.24 | ibot | teaches DexterTheDragon the basics, including how to RTM |
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| 18:23.15 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, did you see this morning's deals yet? Resident Evil 5 for $20 |
| 18:23.53 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: no I've been ignoring cyber monday deals |
| 18:24.06 | beandog | http://www.amazon.com/b/?node=409566 |
| 18:24.11 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, whys that? |
| 18:24.15 | beandog | spend too much on Friday? |
| 18:24.16 | beandog | :D |
| 18:24.37 | DexterTheDragon | eh mostly just not in a buying mood |
| 18:24.59 | DexterTheDragon | only bought MP3 albums friday |
| 18:25.03 | beandog | yah? |
| 18:25.10 | beandog | I managed to do okay myself for the weekend |
| 18:25.16 | beandog | Only bought 2 movies for $10 each |
| 18:25.23 | beandog | Monday, on the other hand .... |
| 18:25.55 | Dezertol | I blew a bunch of money on friday.. but non of it was on deals.. all regular priced items |
| 18:25.59 | Dezertol | meh.. o well |
| 18:26.41 | beandog | Dezertol, whatd you get? |
| 18:27.10 | Dezertol | cloths mostly.. a new watch.. new shoes .. etc.. |
| 18:27.36 | Dezertol | it was time.. I was lookin pritty raggie |
| 18:27.54 | DexterTheDragon | justincarmony went crazy with black friday deals |
| 18:28.03 | justincarmony | hehe |
| 18:28.06 | justincarmony | just one actually :P |
| 18:28.19 | beandog | oh yah? |
| 18:28.32 | justincarmony | but $2,200 washer dryer combo thats 50% off |
| 18:28.39 | Dezertol | one of my wife's sisters -in- laws (not sure what that makes her to me) |
| 18:28.39 | beandog | wow, nice |
| 18:28.46 | Dezertol | stood out at wal-mart for like 10 hours |
| 18:28.52 | justincarmony | that is crazy |
| 18:28.52 | Dezertol | to buy a $400.00 laptop |
| 18:28.53 | Dezertol | lol |
| 18:28.56 | justincarmony | best buy was a mad house |
| 18:29.15 | DexterTheDragon | what kind of crazy washer dryer costs $2200 |
| 18:29.25 | beandog | fungus, I found it |
| 18:29.27 | beandog | fungus, http://www.livingoprah.com/ |
| 18:29.33 | beandog | looks like she did it last year |
| 18:29.46 | Dezertol | like.. wow.. nice laptop.. where'd you get it .... wal-mart |
| 18:29.53 | Dezertol | hehe just sad |
| 18:30.32 | justincarmony | a crazy samsung w/ anti-alergan, steam, internal water heater for sanatizing |
| 18:30.38 | justincarmony | aka what my wife wanted :P |
| 18:30.41 | fungus | oh, cool. |
| 18:40.39 | justincarmony | I thought for the price it should iron, fold, and put away the clothes too ;) |
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| 19:08.18 | brasto | hey guys, if I want to statically grab a while site via cli, can I do it with wget very easily? |
| 19:08.34 | beandog | yah |
| 19:08.53 | brasto | or what other methods have some of you used? |
| 19:09.18 | brasto | s/while site/whole site/ |
| 19:10.31 | Dezertol | I've only ever used wget |
| 19:10.34 | Dezertol | for that |
| 19:10.44 | fungus | http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/Web-Services/Website-Mirroring-With-wget/1/ |
| 19:10.59 | Dezertol | the marketing department wanted me to snake a list of websites.. then grep for partner info |
| 19:11.45 | fungus | http://fosswire.com/post/2008/4/create-a-mirror-of-a-website-with-wget/ |
| 19:11.50 | brasto | reading link fungus. thanks |
| 19:11.50 | Dezertol | so I wrote this nasty script that snakes all the sites... it was a awful project |
| 19:12.00 | Dezertol | my script took like 12 days to run |
| 19:12.05 | Dezertol | and they never used any of the data |
| 19:12.06 | Dezertol | lol |
| 19:12.19 | fungus | heh, doesn't that always happen with marketing. |
| 19:12.31 | Dezertol | ya it sure seems to happen a lot |
| 19:12.42 | Dezertol | I have no love for marketing people |
| 19:12.58 | mgeary | wget is awesome for that |
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| 19:31.44 | mindjuju | anybody here have any lego star wars stuff? |
| 19:32.18 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: I have a lot :) |
| 19:32.27 | mindjuju | so my question is this |
| 19:32.45 | mindjuju | my son wants some for Christmas, he's 6, how rough can you be and play with them |
| 19:32.52 | mindjuju | or are they mainly for looking at? |
| 19:33.17 | DexterTheDragon | they're legos, most of them are meant to be played with |
| 19:33.48 | mindjuju | play as in build or play as in vroom vroom -- pew pew/ |
| 19:33.49 | mindjuju | ? |
| 19:34.00 | Dezertol | hehe |
| 19:34.05 | mindjuju | rember, he's 6 |
| 19:34.06 | Dezertol | he's probally going to eat them |
| 19:34.26 | mindjuju | don't hink he'll eat 'em, but i can see him play with them pretty hard |
| 19:34.41 | mindjuju | i'm thinking about buying vintage plastic star wars stuff from the 80s |
| 19:34.47 | mindjuju | 90s |
| 19:35.32 | mindjuju | thx beandog! Corban and I played lego star wars for like 2 hours yesterday |
| 19:35.33 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:35.37 | beandog | You can't go wrong with Legos |
| 19:35.39 | mindjuju | (xbox version) |
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| 19:39.53 | DexterTheDragon | play like vroom vroom |
| 19:41.20 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: they're still just legos and meant to be played with and taken apart and built into random other things |
| 19:44.10 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: although you probably shouldn't play with like this one http://starwars.lego.com/en-us/Products/exclusive/10179.aspx |
| 19:44.17 | DexterTheDragon | would probably crush you |
| 19:44.25 | utahcon | real men don't buy lego sets... they buy mass amounts of legos in bulk and build their star wars figures/items by memory (i.e. no manuals) |
| 19:44.35 | beandog | utahcon, exactly |
| 19:45.18 | DexterTheDragon | I'm trying to figure out where I can get enough legos to build a christmas tree |
| 19:45.30 | utahcon | DexterTheDragon: DI always has legos |
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| 19:47.04 | beandog | besides, box sets are way too expensive |
| 19:47.12 | mindjuju | utahcon - totally agree, but i can't find bucket o legos |
| 19:47.18 | mindjuju | i don't think they make 'em anymore |
| 19:47.19 | beandog | mindjuju, ebay |
| 19:47.24 | beandog | or craigslist |
| 19:47.24 | mindjuju | the kits are too profitable |
| 19:47.31 | beandog | just find someone who has a huge box of legos |
| 19:47.33 | mindjuju | have checked eBay, everybody there sells them by the pound |
| 19:47.39 | mindjuju | huge rip off |
| 19:47.46 | mindjuju | maybe craigslist, i'll have to check |
| 19:47.57 | beandog | or ksl classifieds |
| 19:48.02 | beandog | has much more listings than CL |
| 19:49.02 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: http://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Ultimate-Building-Set-Pieces/dp/B000NO9GT4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1259610531&sr=1-2 |
| 19:49.16 | beandog | wow |
| 19:49.17 | beandog | for $30 |
| 19:49.22 | beandog | that's the best lego bargain you'll find. |
| 19:52.41 | mindjuju | ~DexterTheDragon++ |
| 19:52.42 | DexterTheDragon | and there's http://www.bricklink.com/ the craigslist of legos |
| 19:53.49 | DexterTheDragon | wish there was a lego store nearby |
| 19:54.05 | DexterTheDragon | those things are awesome |
| 19:56.05 | DexterTheDragon | here it is, pick-a-brick http://shop.lego.com/pab/ |
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| 19:59.10 | DexterTheDragon | and if I haven't completely shot everyones day yet, may I suggest the Lego Digital Designer http://designbyme.lego.com/en-us/default.aspx |
| 19:59.26 | Utah_Dave | hey, fungus. Do you have a minute for a couple signing and encryption questions? |
| 20:01.37 | fungus | sure, shoot |
| 20:13.14 | DexterTheDragon | ~karma DexterTheDragon |
| 20:13.14 | ibot | dexterthedragon has karma of 9 |
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| 20:24.19 | Utah_Dave | I need to be able to sign a wav file and be able to verify that the file hasn't changed |
| 20:24.44 | Utah_Dave | I'd like to be able to show the date and time it was signed as well. |
| 20:25.03 | Utah_Dave | Does gpg do that? |
| 20:25.29 | eggyknap | gpg will sign whatever you want, AFAIK |
| 20:25.39 | mindjuju | Utah_Dave - almost like an md5 hash of the file at the moment of creation |
| 20:26.33 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, I tried the windows gui tool for gpg and it created another file that that it showed as "verified" |
| 20:26.38 | fungus | Utah_Dave, gpg, will sign and verify integrity, but it wont verify the date/time |
| 20:26.47 | fungus | unless the date/time is in the contents |
| 20:27.34 | Utah_Dave | OK, does it have to use another file? |
| 20:28.06 | fungus | When you "sign" a file, it creates a separate signature. |
| 20:28.20 | fungus | if you "encrypt" a file, it puts the whole thing in one file |
| 20:29.04 | fungus | You cannot "sign" most files w/o a separate file. Because it would cause damage to the file itself. |
| 20:29.13 | Utah_Dave | OK, so as long as I have that separate signature it can prove that original file is the original |
| 20:29.21 | fungus | exaclty |
| 20:30.30 | DexterTheDragon | if your just proving the file isn't gpg overkill of md5? |
| 20:30.52 | fungus | if you have several files, you can just create an md5sum file, and sign it's contents. |
| 20:31.23 | fungus | That provides the end user two different levels of confidence |
| 20:31.46 | Utah_Dave | right, I need to be able to prove that someone hasn't edited the file and then updated the file containing the md5 hash |
| 20:32.04 | fungus | depending on the effort they want to go through to check |
| 20:32.11 | mindjuju | ah |
| 20:32.36 | mindjuju | utah_dave is a smarty! |
| 20:32.49 | Utah_Dave | fungus: are there any other ways to accomplish this besides gpg? |
| 20:32.50 | DexterTheDragon | that the short coming I always saw in md5, if they changed the file why couldn't they change the md5sum |
| 20:32.51 | utahcon | Kevin Hartz (guy on left) looks like a total doofus http://snurl.com/thrgz |
| 20:33.09 | fungus | Utah_Dave, if you send the original file, and provide a link to the official MD5SUM file, that is often "good enough" |
| 20:34.03 | Utah_Dave | DexterTheDragon: exactly, on download sites they post the md5 hashes to verify the download. Couldn't the attacker change the md5 hash as well since he already has access to the server? |
| 20:34.21 | jsmith | Which is why you should be using gpg signing instead! |
| 20:34.28 | DexterTheDragon | Utah_Dave: thats was always my thought |
| 20:34.31 | fungus | If that is what you are protecting against, then you need to sign the md5 file with gpg as well |
| 20:34.39 | Utah_Dave | ok |
| 20:34.58 | fungus | see Linux ISO mirrors, as one possible example. |
| 20:35.21 | fungus | They provide a file that lists the md5sum's of all files, and a signature for each md5 list |
| 20:35.36 | Utah_Dave | I see. |
| 20:35.38 | fungus | http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu-cd/9.10/MD5SUMS |
| 20:35.49 | fungus | http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu-cd/9.10/MD5SUMS.gpg |
| 20:36.15 | fungus | If you suspect server compromise you check signature, then md5sums |
| 20:36.24 | Utah_Dave | fungus: so they you'd use a public key to verify that md5sum file? |
| 20:36.33 | fungus | yup |
| 20:36.42 | fungus | you can publish the key to a keyserver |
| 20:37.08 | Utah_Dave | OK. So I'm creating a system that have a public key that the software will use to sign all the files. |
| 20:37.27 | fungus | great, that works too |
| 20:37.33 | fungus | Just keep the private key safe |
| 20:37.38 | Utah_Dave | I'm keeping the private key, and if they have to prove the integrity of a file, I bring the private key and show that the file is still intact |
| 20:37.55 | fungus | No, anyone with a public key can prove it's intact |
| 20:38.07 | Utah_Dave | Oh, really? |
| 20:38.24 | fungus | yes |
| 20:38.32 | Utah_Dave | So the same system can prove it without me having to actually bring the private key? |
| 20:38.37 | fungus | The signature won't match at all if it's compromised |
| 20:38.45 | fungus | exactly |
| 20:38.53 | Utah_Dave | Oh, that makes things so much simpler for me. |
| 20:39.27 | Utah_Dave | thanks for clearing that up for me, fungus. I appreciate it. |
| 20:39.36 | fungus | Now, the location in your software that stores the public key must be safe and protected from comprise as well |
| 20:40.15 | Utah_Dave | Right. But I guess I could always use the private key to prove the public key if I had to. |
| 20:41.03 | fungus | exactly |
| 20:41.43 | fungus | Debian APT repositories use this same mechanism for verifying integrity of packages |
| 20:42.10 | fungus | Trusted package maintainers sign the package, and the public key comes in default installs. |
| 20:42.22 | Utah_Dave | all right. |
| 20:42.31 | fungus | Apt verifies each signature at every download |
| 20:42.44 | Utah_Dave | Thanks! Well, I'm finally heading off to lunch with a bunch to think about. |
| 20:42.49 | fungus | good luck |
| 20:42.58 | Utah_Dave | Thanks again! |
| 20:43.03 | Utah_Dave | ~karma fungus |
| 20:43.03 | ibot | fungus has karma of 24 |
| 20:43.44 | DexterTheDragon | yeah he doesn't need anymore |
| 20:45.00 | justincarmony | wow |
| 20:45.09 | justincarmony | I just say |
| 20:45.10 | justincarmony | must* |
| 20:45.20 | justincarmony | what people search for is... kinda disturbing :P |
| 20:46.38 | mindjuju | let's see, if he chooses for his next life, Fungus can be a 15yr old teen girl in SoCal, a shoe salesman or a playwright |
| 20:46.53 | mindjuju | course, me, i haven't even gotten to that level |
| 20:47.13 | mindjuju | i still have the choice of being a slug, snail or seaweed |
| 20:47.18 | mindjuju | ~karma mindjuju |
| 20:47.18 | ibot | mindjuju has karma of 16 |
| 20:47.21 | mindjuju | yup |
| 20:47.45 | mindjuju | ~karma justincarmony |
| 20:47.45 | ibot | justincarmony has karma of 1 |
| 20:47.46 | DexterTheDragon | go with the seaweed |
| 20:48.02 | justincarmony | aw |
| 20:48.04 | mindjuju | hmm, return as justin carmony |
| 20:48.07 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:48.08 | justincarmony | ~karma carmony |
| 20:48.08 | ibot | carmony has karma of 3 |
| 20:48.09 | jsmith | ~karma jsmith |
| 20:48.09 | ibot | jsmith has karma of 13 |
| 20:48.14 | DexterTheDragon | ~karma ie |
| 20:48.14 | ibot | ie has karma of -666 |
| 20:48.30 | justincarmony | so I should have a karma of 4 if you add my two names :P |
| 20:48.45 | mindjuju | tell that to the higher powers |
| 20:49.18 | mindjuju | it says, Windows ME technician |
| 20:49.23 | justincarmony | ew |
| 20:49.24 | mindjuju | sorry |
| 20:50.30 | Heartsbane | ~karma Heartsbane |
| 20:50.30 | ibot | heartsbane has neutral karma |
| 20:50.39 | Heartsbane | oh ok |
| 20:50.48 | mindjuju | ~heartsbane++ |
| 20:51.01 | mindjuju | you've given me some server help the other day, must have forgotten to give you karma |
| 20:51.05 | mindjuju | ~karma heartsbane |
| 20:51.05 | ibot | heartsbane has karma of 1 |
| 21:03.15 | mgeary | ~karma fungus |
| 21:03.15 | ibot | fungus has karma of 24 |
| 21:04.49 | mgeary | hey, does anyone here ever use Parallels on OS X? |
| 21:10.48 | fungus | not for a long time. Switched to Fusion quite a while ago |
| 21:37.16 | redroy | mgeary, I do |
| 21:52.41 | mgeary | redroy: have you ever tried to expand your hard drive and then get WindowsXP to *recognize* that it's been expanded? |
| 21:58.21 | Utah_Dave | ~fungus++ |
| 21:58.29 | fungus | mgeary, not parallels specific, but there are 2 steps to the expansion |
| 21:58.45 | fungus | 1, drive expansion |
| 21:58.50 | mgeary | done |
| 21:58.53 | fungus | 2, partition expansion |
| 21:59.00 | mgeary | not done |
| 21:59.25 | fungus | if said drive is a system drive, it must be done from a separate boot environment |
| 21:59.48 | fungus | eg, another windows VM, or some form of windows boot cd |
| 22:00.42 | fungus | "Disk Managment" in the Computer Management utility will show you the details about your disks. |
| 22:41.19 | Dezertol | xmas warning -> http://somafm.com/play/xmasinfrisko |
| 22:41.27 | Dezertol | Xmas in Frisko: SomaFM's wacky and eclectic holiday mix. Not for the easily offended. |
| 22:41.49 | Dezertol | I love this station I listen to it every year as we get closer to xmas |
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| 23:00.31 | chris12349 | I'm building an xml string and I want to indent and add lines to my code without \t or \n's appearing. I'm using fwrite to write the xml file from the string. Any idea on how to have easy to read code and a clean xml file? |
| 23:04.19 | mgeary | heredoc ? |
| 23:05.06 | Dezertol | you my need to use the ^M char |
| 23:05.49 | Dezertol | if it's not doing what you expect |
| 23:05.54 | Dezertol | that is |
| 23:06.12 | chris12349 | oh, I think it is because I used " instead of ' quotes |
| 23:06.29 | chris12349 | It's interpreting the newline literally. |
| 23:11.39 | herlo | swb: ping |
| 23:14.02 | chris12349 | hmmm nope, it looks like heredoc might be my best bet. Thanks! |
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| 23:52.28 | mgeary | bah |
| 23:52.39 | mgeary | so, fungus |
| 23:55.25 | redroy | Sorry mgeary... late reply. I got pulled into more meetings. Answer to your question. No. |
| 23:55.43 | mgeary | Windows inside Parallels is reporting my disk as 10.7 gigs, which what i want/expect. However, it's also saying i have 540 megs free, when JDiskReport says i'm only using 6.9 gigs |
| 23:55.57 | mgeary | ~stupid Windows |
| 23:56.03 | macnewbold | mgeary: maybe it is fragmentation? |
| 23:56.09 | mgeary | maybe |
| 23:56.18 | macnewbold | but really, it's probably just stupid windows |
| 23:56.22 | mgeary | does WinXP have a built-in defragger? |
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| 23:59.10 | fungus | mgeary, what does the Disk Management look like |
| 23:59.18 | mgeary | where do i find that tool? |
| 23:59.30 | fungus | in Administrative Tools -> Computer Management |
| 23:59.58 | fungus | You are likely to have a 10.7g disk size, but the partition is only 7G |