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| 15:28.42 | utahcon | Anyone around? |
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| 15:30.30 | jsmith | Utah_Dave: I am |
| 15:30.45 | jsmith | utahcon: I'm around... what's up? |
| 15:31.34 | utahcon | can you hit utos.org? |
| 15:34.07 | jsmith | nope |
| 15:34.20 | jtsnow | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/utos.org |
| 15:34.55 | utahcon | yeah I hit that too, but I wanted a human eye on it too |
| 15:34.55 | utahcon | thanks |
| 15:50.47 | justincarmony_ | anyone around? :P |
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| 16:06.33 | utahcon | justincarmony_: what up |
| 16:07.17 | justincarmony_ | lol |
| 16:07.30 | justincarmony_ | ok, when I'm scripting |
| 16:07.33 | justincarmony_ | for sh |
| 16:07.38 | justincarmony_ | there is the read command |
| 16:07.44 | justincarmony_ | it works, but when I hit backspace |
| 16:07.54 | justincarmony_ | ^H^H^H^H^H^H i what happens |
| 16:08.23 | utahcon | eek... I am no good with shell scripting. |
| 16:08.24 | utahcon | sorry |
| 16:09.16 | utahcon | but you may need to capture the key binding (IDK) |
| 16:10.25 | mgeary | ~mbp justincarmony |
| 16:10.25 | ibot | ACTION puts another nickel in justincarmony's "Get a MacBook Pro" jar |
| 16:30.41 | utahcon | how do I find out what is bound to a port? |
| 16:30.52 | mgeary | netstat ? |
| 16:30.57 | utahcon | trying to start apache and it is telling me apache cant bind port 80 |
| 16:30.58 | mgeary | lsof ? |
| 16:30.58 | utahcon | netstat ... ? |
| 16:31.21 | utahcon | nm |
| 16:32.20 | fungus | `netstat -pntl` |
| 16:32.29 | fungus | that lists all listening tcp ports |
| 16:32.49 | cro | utahcon: did it die unexpectedly? |
| 16:32.54 | mgeary | fungus: that doesn't work on OS X |
| 16:33.04 | mgeary | netstat: ntl: unknown or uninstrumented protocol |
| 16:33.11 | utahcon | cro: no restarted apache on purpose |
| 16:33.17 | utahcon | I didn't use sudo :( |
| 16:33.32 | utahcon | s/toay/today/ |
| 16:33.49 | mgeary | utahcon: dude, give up while you've at least got some dignity |
| 16:33.56 | mgeary | ... ;) |
| 16:35.02 | utahcon | lol |
| 16:35.06 | utahcon | that would be great :D |
| 16:35.19 | cro | I would be able to see you glowing from Layton |
| 16:35.20 | utahcon | mgeary: dignity is gone... gone I tell you |
| 16:35.26 | fungus | mgeary, on OSX its `netstat -aptcp` |
| 16:36.21 | mgeary | fungus: cool |
| 16:40.05 | fungus | mgeary, since the OSX netstat doesn't show pids `lsof -iTCP -sTCP:LISTEN` will show that. |
| 16:40.40 | mgeary | yeah, i thought lsof would do something like that |
| 16:40.41 | mgeary | cool |
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| 17:03.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahoy |
| 17:04.19 | Lone_Wanderer | So, I've been thinking... how hard would it be to make a parser (or would it be a compiler?) that recursively reads a directory (which is full of HTML and other web content) and turns all of the static web pages inside of it into a framework or cms-managed site? |
| 17:11.02 | jtsnow | heh... define "turns into" |
| 17:11.17 | Lone_Wanderer | well, say you want to take a static site and put it all in WP |
| 17:11.30 | Lone_Wanderer | you'd have to read every page, then put the content of it into the DB |
| 17:11.35 | jtsnow | yep |
| 17:11.43 | jtsnow | we are doing a project like that right now, actually |
| 17:11.46 | Lone_Wanderer | and ideally make urls that match up so visitors don't have bookmarks break all of a sudden |
| 17:11.49 | Lone_Wanderer | seriously? |
| 17:11.59 | Lone_Wanderer | ...you want help? |
| 17:12.00 | jtsnow | importing into Drupal |
| 17:12.27 | Lone_Wanderer | also, is your name J. T. Snow or JTS Now? |
| 17:12.51 | jtsnow | j.t. snow |
| 17:12.53 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 17:13.04 | jtsnow | http://querypath.org/ works nicely for parsing html documents |
| 17:14.16 | Lone_Wanderer | So do you just make regular expressions or something for figuring out what's content and what's design? |
| 17:14.35 | jtsnow | querypath uses jquery selectors |
| 17:14.38 | Lone_Wanderer | And how do you deal with broken HTML or pages that don't conform to the standard markup? |
| 17:14.56 | Lone_Wanderer | right but parsing html and figuring out which parts of the page are content are two different problems |
| 17:15.09 | beandog | pages don't conform? inconceivable! |
| 17:15.40 | Lone_Wanderer | it's fine to know that <h2>Hi Folks!</h2> is an H2 tag with whatever inside of it, but that doesn't tell you if it needs to get thrown out or if it goes in the "title" field in the DB |
| 17:16.01 | jtsnow | well, if all the pages are formatted similarly, then it should be possible to write jquery selectors for any data you need to import |
| 17:16.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, but "if" and "should be" ;) |
| 17:16.43 | jtsnow | yeah, there are always edge cases |
| 17:17.23 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd be tempted to do something sexy like using bayesian analysis or something but |
| 17:17.38 | Lone_Wanderer | the best option would probably just be to have a human look over anything broken and fix it manuallly |
| 17:17.45 | Lone_Wanderer | which is far less interesting |
| 17:17.52 | jtsnow | heh... yeah |
| 17:18.00 | Lone_Wanderer | but far more likely to actually work |
| 17:20.01 | jtsnow | just finished an import project that gave us very poorly formatted CSV files |
| 17:20.32 | jtsnow | *client gave us the files |
| 17:20.34 | jtsnow | was a bit tricky at times :P |
| 17:21.25 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I need to find a company that's large enough to have a full time tools team |
| 17:21.45 | Lone_Wanderer | because those are the kind of projects I get really excited about |
| 17:22.55 | unum | last week I finally got a new assignment |
| 17:23.02 | Lone_Wanderer | fun? |
| 17:23.03 | unum | I'm back to c++ and really happy about that |
| 17:23.06 | unum | ya |
| 17:23.08 | Lone_Wanderer | cool! |
| 17:23.16 | unum | of course it's mostly about reformatting csv files..... |
| 17:23.39 | unum | the interface is what's challenging on this |
| 17:23.49 | unum | I've had some other thing that have been realling challenging |
| 17:24.03 | unum | I had one that was similiar to a bin packing problem |
| 17:24.05 | unum | that was fun |
| 17:24.33 | unum | ya there were a few things from my data algorythms class I thought I would never use |
| 17:24.53 | unum | that I ended up using on a couple of trick programs I was asked to write back to back |
| 17:25.20 | beandog | sakes alive |
| 17:25.29 | beandog | Amazon has some amazing black friday deals |
| 17:25.29 | jtsnow | sweet |
| 17:25.34 | unum | binary logic tree |
| 17:25.34 | unum | np complete problem set |
| 17:25.34 | beandog | woo woo |
| 17:25.38 | unum | multi node trees |
| 17:25.55 | unum | had to do multi threading as well |
| 17:26.07 | unum | s/multi node/multi child |
| 17:26.28 | beandog | http://www.amazon.com/b/?node=409566 |
| 17:26.36 | unum | haven't done anything that complicated in the last three years.... |
| 17:26.41 | jtsnow | multi threading in C++ is fun |
| 17:26.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Is it? |
| 17:27.02 | Lone_Wanderer | It sounds like I'd rather stab out my eyes. |
| 17:27.21 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm not that familiar with C++ though. |
| 17:27.21 | jtsnow | wrote a multithreaded ZigBee server a few months ago |
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| 17:28.08 | mjijackson | Does anyone know a good PHP extension developer that I can hire to do some work? |
| 17:28.20 | mjijackson | Preferably someone who has some experience doing graphics as well. |
| 17:28.47 | mgeary | mjijackson: you want a designer who can also code C++ ..?! |
| 17:28.54 | Dezertol | heh |
| 17:28.57 | Dezertol | that's kinda funny |
| 17:29.01 | mgeary | or by "doing graphics" do you mean graphic processing? |
| 17:29.02 | Lone_Wanderer | I doubt that the person you're looking for exists. |
| 17:29.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Unless you mean graphics processing. |
| 17:29.18 | mjijackson | mgeary: Not graphic design! |
| 17:29.23 | beandog | php extension dev |
| 17:29.25 | beandog | big diff. |
| 17:29.31 | beandog | weirdos. |
| 17:29.37 | mjijackson | mgeary: I mean working with libraries like Pango and Cairo |
| 17:29.41 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 17:29.50 | beandog | mjijackson, I dont think Ive ever seen anyone in here mention development on those. I'd suggest pinging the ML. |
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| 17:30.14 | beandog | seems like a pretty niche market, though |
| 17:30.17 | Lone_Wanderer | You might also want to try the PLUG and SLLUG mailing lists (Provo and Salt Lake Linux Users Groups) |
| 17:30.21 | beandog | might have to go outside of Utah |
| 17:30.21 | mgeary | yeah, what beandog said. What objectives are you wanting to achieve, mjijackson? |
| 17:30.48 | mjijackson | mgeary: I want to create a high-quality text processing library for php |
| 17:30.56 | mjijackson | gd + freetype doesn't cut it |
| 17:31.08 | mgeary | interesting |
| 17:31.23 | Dezertol | you can use the swf stuff |
| 17:31.26 | Dezertol | and the ming lib's |
| 17:31.47 | Dezertol | they work pretty good |
| 17:31.50 | mjijackson | Dezertol: i'm not sure i follow |
| 17:32.29 | Lone_Wanderer | By text processing do you mean strings, or (since you mentioned graphics) are you looking for OCR? |
| 17:32.30 | Dezertol | http://us.php.net/manual/en/book.swf.php |
| 17:32.49 | Dezertol | it's a way to dynamically generate "shockwave flash" files |
| 17:33.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Or, conversely, are you wanting to generate pretty text? |
| 17:33.20 | Dezertol | i've used it in the past and it works pretty good.. |
| 17:33.24 | mjijackson | Lone_Wanderer: i'd like to generate pretty text |
| 17:33.29 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 17:33.29 | Dezertol | ya |
| 17:33.33 | Dezertol | it would still work |
| 17:33.44 | Dezertol | you can make it do basically what a flash file would |
| 17:33.48 | mjijackson | Lone_Wanderer: but it needs to be high quality, like the stuff you can get from Pango and Cairo |
| 17:33.57 | Dezertol | only you can make the while file dynamic |
| 17:33.59 | Lone_Wanderer | I've never heard of either of those. |
| 17:34.00 | mjijackson | I saw the php-gtk project had tied into the Pango lib |
| 17:34.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Do you want to put this on a web site? |
| 17:34.11 | mjijackson | Lone_Wanderer: yes |
| 17:34.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, do you want it to be actual text on a web site, or are you going to generate and display graphics with pictures of text, or do you want to put it into flash? |
| 17:35.00 | mjijackson | Dezertol: so i could use the swf stuff to basically draw on a blank swf and use flash's text rendering engine? |
| 17:35.08 | Dezertol | ya |
| 17:35.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Or is a PDF acceptable? Because if you're willing to put it into PDF format, I'd recommend looking at LaTeX |
| 17:35.22 | mjijackson | Dezertol: that sounds like a good option |
| 17:35.31 | mjijackson | Lone_Wanderer: I need graphics |
| 17:35.33 | mjijackson | png's |
| 17:35.36 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh ok |
| 17:35.38 | Dezertol | you can also.. just create a flash object and pass in the text as a var with js |
| 17:36.11 | mjijackson | Dezertol: sIFR already does that. i'm not trying to re-invent the wheel! ;) |
| 17:36.11 | Lone_Wanderer | So you want a PHP extension that will use a library like Pango to create PNGs with pretty text in them? |
| 17:36.12 | Dezertol | might be faster on the dev time to just create a blank flash file that accepts the text string |
| 17:36.27 | mjijackson | Lone_Wanderer: you got it |
| 17:36.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Cool. |
| 17:36.41 | Lone_Wanderer | I have no idea how to do that. |
| 17:36.42 | mjijackson | Lone_Wanderer: i probably should've just said that from the get go |
| 17:36.58 | Dezertol | and you can't get that from the gd stuff |
| 17:37.06 | mjijackson | Dezertol: nope |
| 17:37.07 | Dezertol | you can load any font you want |
| 17:37.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Are you willing to use other languages? Python or Ruby might already have something developed that does that, and if they do you could call them from the command line |
| 17:37.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah but there's more to really well-done text than just picking the right font |
| 17:37.28 | mjijackson | Lone_Wanderer: I'm definitely willing to use other languages |
| 17:37.46 | mjijackson | Lone_Wanderer: I've been looking around, but haven't found anything yet |
| 17:37.50 | mgeary | pyyyyyyyyythonnnnnnnn |
| 17:37.57 | mjijackson | mgeary: what lib? |
| 17:38.03 | mgeary | say if softly, and it's almost like singing |
| 17:38.05 | mgeary | *it |
| 17:38.23 | mgeary | mjijackson: not sure. looking around. PIL is the default graphics lib |
| 17:38.32 | mgeary | http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200801/truly_transparent_text_with_pil.html |
| 17:39.36 | mgeary | if you're on OS X, you can use some Apple libraries to render beautiful bitmap text |
| 17:40.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd be willing to bet that you can get what you need with a little fiddling with Cairo and/or Pango in a command line script |
| 17:40.11 | mjijackson | mgeary: i've seen the textorize library for Ruby, but i need to deploy this to Linux |
| 17:40.51 | Lone_Wanderer | plus possibly some additional graphics library fiddling if they don't create images in the right format (Cairo does SVG, which iirc can be converted to PNG pretty easily) |
| 17:42.36 | Lone_Wanderer | mjijackson: have to run for a minute, but I'll be back shortly. You can PM me with your contact info if you have to leave before I get back and want to talk more. |
| 17:42.52 | mjijackson | Lone_Wanderer: thanks |
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| 17:43.27 | Dezertol | xmax presents for your pet lovers -> http://www.xoxide.com/usb-humping-dog-beagle.html |
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| 17:44.25 | brasto | since when do you have to be registered just to be on this channel? |
| 17:44.51 | brasto | I'm registered, and it works fine for me, but I thought it was open to everyone. |
| 17:45.17 | beandog | ~delist brasto |
| 17:45.58 | brasto | Can mutt read maildir format messages? If not, any recommendations for a plain text email client for quickly checking for test messages? |
| 17:46.23 | brasto | ~kick beandog |
| 17:46.24 | ibot | ACTION kicks beandog |
| 17:46.30 | brasto | lol |
| 17:46.40 | beandog | brasto, pine |
| 17:46.43 | beandog | I think it can |
| 17:46.53 | Dezertol | pine |
| 17:47.10 | Dezertol | you can also use procmail and just write a little parser |
| 17:47.16 | brasto | can you tell pine to read a specific file now? I used to have to log in as the user before I could check that users mail with pine. |
| 17:47.36 | brasto | the nice thing with mutt is mutt -f ... |
| 17:47.38 | Dezertol | you can open folders of files in pine |
| 17:47.46 | Dezertol | in your .mail |
| 17:47.52 | Dezertol | you can create a folder called backup or whatever |
| 17:47.55 | Dezertol | drop the file in there |
| 17:48.01 | Dezertol | and browse to it in the interface.. |
| 17:48.12 | Dezertol | it might have that optino but I've never looked for it |
| 17:48.45 | brasto | alpine is the free software version of alpine isn't it? |
| 17:49.50 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.58 | brasto | yea, bsd and unix have pine, but Linux distros usually have alpine for licensing reasons. |
| 17:52.45 | beandog | pfft |
| 17:52.49 | beandog | Gentoo has licensing issues |
| 17:52.53 | beandog | whee! |
| 17:52.53 | beandog | we're all floozies |
| 17:52.58 | beandog | er |
| 17:52.59 | beandog | *has no |
| 17:53.02 | beandog | fail boat. |
| 17:53.13 | brasto | ok, pine didn't find it, it uses the wrong folder |
| 17:53.24 | brasto | but less can find anything if pointed the right way |
| 17:53.41 | brasto | pine created a folder in my user directory called "Mail" |
| 17:53.47 | brasto | the mail is in "Maildir" |
| 17:53.54 | Dezertol | just copy it over |
| 17:54.02 | Dezertol | if this is a one time thing that is |
| 17:54.28 | Dezertol | if it's something you have to do a lot I'd use procmail |
| 17:54.42 | Dezertol | and just stdout to a perl script and parse it out and be done with it |
| 17:55.43 | brasto | I just need to see if test messages got through |
| 17:55.53 | Dezertol | I used to have a good procmail script that would read the emails coming from quest for DSL connection requests |
| 17:55.59 | brasto | I suppose if it were a long term thing I could symlink Mail to Maildir |
| 17:56.13 | Dezertol | it would automatically log in to our router and make the needed changes |
| 17:56.25 | brasto | that's pretty cool |
| 17:56.45 | Dezertol | ya me and procmail where good friends back then... |
| 17:56.48 | Dezertol | but it's been 10 years |
| 17:57.02 | fungus | brasto, mutt is certainly capable of reading a Maildir |
| 17:58.01 | fungus | pine is crap compared to mutt |
| 17:58.26 | brasto | I probably just didn't know how to point mutt to it then. |
| 17:58.26 | brasto | I pointed to an individual message. |
| 17:58.55 | brasto | yep, I see now |
| 17:58.57 | brasto | it works if I point to the directory |
| 17:59.26 | brasto | why didn't I try that earlier? |
| 17:59.26 | brasto | ~lart me |
| 17:59.27 | ibot | shoots brasto in the head |
| 17:59.31 | brasto | lol |
| 17:59.38 | beandog | ~fail |
| 17:59.38 | ibot | it has been said that fail is what happens to you when you follow gamespot's game advice. standing in the fire. |
| 17:59.41 | brasto | I thought ibot might say the word 'me' |
| 17:59.43 | Dezertol | I agree mutt is much better then pine |
| 18:04.28 | Lone_Wanderer | beandog is on a failboat, don't you ever forget |
| 18:04.42 | Lone_Wanderer | (Lame attempt.) |
| 18:06.15 | Lone_Wanderer | ...they pixelated the USB plug |
| 18:20.00 | brasto | pixelated the USB plug? Took a digital picture of it? I bet there are many pictures of USB plugs out there... |
| 18:21.21 | Lone_Wanderer | brasto: I mean in the "humping dog" video. |
| 18:21.35 | Lone_Wanderer | and you know what I meant by "pixelated" :p |
| 18:22.12 | mindjuju | i want some pie |
| 18:22.26 | beandog | mindjuju, I make a mean chocolate cream pie |
| 18:22.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Patience, young jedi. |
| 18:22.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Soon it will be Thanksgiving |
| 18:38.09 | stderr | mutt + vim bindings mmm |
| 18:46.31 | mindjuju | ~wiki mutt |
| 18:48.16 | Lone_Wanderer | ~wiki Mutt_(e-mail_client) |
| 18:48.21 | Lone_Wanderer | (Let's see if that works.) |
| 18:48.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Not terribly helpful. |
| 18:48.53 | mindjuju | that's ok, i'm googling it |
| 18:49.16 | Lone_Wanderer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutt_(e-mail_client) |
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| 19:26.48 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, you around |
| 19:26.53 | beandog | what game could this be? "Epic tale of power and corruption." |
| 19:26.58 | beandog | woo |
| 19:27.13 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: whut? |
| 19:27.21 | beandog | http://www.amazon.com/b/?node=409566 |
| 19:28.44 | DexterTheDragon | crap now I'm going to have to start keeping an eye on this |
| 19:28.51 | beandog | Oh |
| 19:28.59 | beandog | They just said its Assassins Creed II for $49 |
| 19:29.15 | beandog | in 30 mins |
| 19:29.23 | beandog | shucks |
| 19:29.26 | beandog | I was hoping for SWTFU |
| 19:30.46 | beandog | "Illegal street racing for the Xbox 360 with no track, no load times, no rules" |
| 19:31.31 | beandog | "The Last Hope is released" ? |
| 19:31.35 | beandog | this is killing me |
| 19:31.49 | beandog | I heard a rumour that Star Wars was gonna hit BluRay on Black Friday |
| 19:34.07 | beandog | that or I just started one. Take your pick. |
| 19:35.54 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, here's the other one to watch: http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox/ref=xs_gbtb_dd |
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| 19:42.52 | DexterTheDragon | oh man... so many mp3 albums for 5 bucks |
| 19:43.48 | beandog | whut? |
| 19:43.50 | beandog | whered you find that |
| 19:44.37 | mgeary | indeed |
| 19:44.41 | mgeary | amazon? |
| 19:45.02 | DexterTheDragon | http://bit.ly/bigdeals |
| 19:45.53 | Lone_Wanderer | mgeary: pm? |
| 19:46.31 | beandog | thx |
| 19:46.38 | beandog | ~DexterTheDragon++ |
| 19:47.17 | brasto | dude, exim's default logging level really sucks. |
| 19:51.55 | brasto | how do you make it so that a service automatically starts in Debian? chkconfig apparently isn't a command in Debian... |
| 19:53.17 | beandog | http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/11/woot-deal-site/ |
| 19:54.49 | beandog | wow |
| 19:54.54 | beandog | now I discovered newegg black friday deals |
| 19:54.57 | beandog | I am in so much trouble .... |
| 19:55.02 | beandog | where do I turn off the internet? |
| 19:55.56 | fungus | grr, have to install amazon downloader |
| 19:56.28 | DexterTheDragon | worth it |
| 19:56.45 | fungus | very true |
| 19:57.07 | Lone_Wanderer | What do "inside" and "outside" sales mean? |
| 19:58.04 | brasto | beandog: service internet stop |
| 19:58.11 | Lone_Wanderer | DON'T! |
| 19:58.18 | Lone_Wanderer | That will turn off the whole Internet! |
| 19:58.21 | brasto | lol |
| 19:58.52 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg |
| 19:58.54 | beandog | lmao |
| 19:58.55 | beandog | http://shirt.woot.com/ |
| 19:59.10 | brasto | so apparently you can aptitude install chkconfig, but why it's not there by default is beyond me |
| 19:59.23 | brasto | and arch isn't a command nor can you install it in debian |
| 20:00.55 | DexterTheDragon | brasto: thats cause debian uses update-rc.d |
| 20:01.50 | fungus | beandog, you are a bad man. |
| 20:02.04 | brasto | I saw update-rc.d in my google search but it seemed to work so differently that I found it faster to aptitude install chkconfig than to read all about a different program. |
| 20:02.09 | beandog | fungus, moi? |
| 20:02.21 | fungus | yes, all these links to deals. |
| 20:02.25 | fungus | gonna make me poor |
| 20:02.30 | beandog | anyone like simpsons? |
| 20:02.37 | beandog | I found seasons 1 to 10 for $12 each |
| 20:02.48 | Lone_Wanderer | no wai |
| 20:02.56 | beandog | http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_p_74_1?rh=n%3a130%2ck%3aSimpsons+Season%2cp_74%3a2237030011&bbn=130&keywords=Simpsons+Season&tag=dealswoot-20&ie=UTF8&field-enc-merchantbin=ATVPDKIKX0DER&qid=1259062200&rnid=2237027011 |
| 20:02.59 | beandog | wai. |
| 20:03.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Lies. |
| 20:03.20 | Lone_Wanderer | This is 12 FORTY NINE per season. |
| 20:03.32 | Lone_Wanderer | That's almost $12.50 which, rounded up, is $13. |
| 20:03.33 | beandog | whatev. |
| 20:03.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Which is very nearly $15 |
| 20:03.57 | brasto | alright so I'm getting this in exim's panic log: 2009-11-24 13:01:27 socket bind() to port 25 for address 192.168.123.4 failed: Cannot assign requested address: daemon abandoned |
| 20:04.08 | brasto | it's set to start, but can't. |
| 20:04.17 | brasto | Any ideas what's causing that? |
| 20:04.18 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000WQ4KHQ $10 |
| 20:04.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Is it running as root? |
| 20:04.31 | brasto | I believe so... lemme check |
| 20:04.35 | fungus | brasto, is it already running? |
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| 20:05.01 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: that sold out fast |
| 20:05.05 | brasto | nope. /etc/init.d/exim4 status says it's not running |
| 20:05.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Or is there something else bound to that port |
| 20:05.14 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, it did already? |
| 20:05.39 | brasto | # /etc/init.d/exim4 start |
| 20:05.39 | brasto | Starting MTA: exim4. |
| 20:05.39 | brasto | ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken failed! |
| 20:05.58 | beandog | man I must have gotten lucky with mine |
| 20:05.59 | brasto | that's why I checked paniclog |
| 20:06.05 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 20:06.13 | Lone_Wanderer | try cat /dev/null > /var/log/exim4/paniclog |
| 20:06.21 | Lone_Wanderer | then start it again |
| 20:06.27 | fungus | just remove the paniclog |
| 20:06.37 | brasto | that'll clear the log, but it'll add a new entry as soon as I try to start it. |
| 20:06.37 | Lone_Wanderer | (I don't actually know anything about exim4, that may be a bad idea, but it sounds like it should work.) |
| 20:06.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, at least you'll get a different error, right? |
| 20:06.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Or does it add the error, then check to see if the filesize is non-zero? |
| 20:07.21 | brasto | ok, well it worked this time |
| 20:07.22 | brasto | odd |
| 20:07.26 | brasto | it didn't before |
| 20:07.42 | brasto | maybe I mistyped the command to clear the log or something... |
| 20:08.17 | Lone_Wanderer | sweet |
| 20:08.22 | Lone_Wanderer | bug fixed for unknown reasons |
| 20:08.29 | Lone_Wanderer | always the worst-case bug fix |
| 20:09.08 | brasto | lol, yea |
| 20:10.02 | brasto | ~lart random bugs that appear and then disappear. |
| 20:10.02 | ibot | send killer squirrels to attack random bugs that appear and then disappear. |
| 20:10.02 | brasto | ~wake ibot |
| 20:10.03 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on ibot and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 20:10.06 | brasto | ibot, wake up |
| 20:10.07 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 20:10.25 | brasto | lol |
| 20:10.52 | Lone_Wanderer | He must be a sucker for misery. |
| 20:12.46 | beandog | ~suck misery |
| 20:12.47 | ibot | ACTION sucks misery's lips |
| 20:13.46 | mindjuju | the book, Misery, was good |
| 20:13.48 | mindjuju | by steven king |
| 20:14.03 | Lone_Wanderer | never been a big King fan |
| 20:14.12 | Lone_Wanderer | I know this makes me an infidel and a heretic, etc. |
| 20:14.30 | mindjuju | nah, a lot of his stuff is junk, but he has a few gems |
| 20:14.32 | mindjuju | misery is one |
| 20:15.40 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 20:15.46 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, also - PR on the back squat today. 225. |
| 20:15.50 | Lone_Wanderer | 3 reps |
| 20:15.57 | Lone_Wanderer | (Personal Record) |
| 20:16.08 | Lone_Wanderer | AND I did my first handstand on Saturday! |
| 20:16.22 | beandog | ~Lone_Wanderer++ |
| 20:16.41 | brasto | ok, it doesn't panick right away, but that paniclog gets an entry before long and it can't start back up as soon as that happens. |
| 20:17.00 | Lone_Wanderer | same entry as before? |
| 20:17.27 | brasto | yep |
| 20:17.28 | beandog | freak. |
| 20:17.34 | beandog | the next deal isn't for 2h 42 minutes |
| 20:17.38 | brasto | except the timestamp is later of course |
| 20:17.38 | beandog | what am I supposed to do all day? |
| 20:17.44 | brasto | searching google |
| 20:19.12 | brasto | ah, and it doesn't actually start either: |
| 20:19.15 | brasto | rc5:~# /etc/init.d/exim4 start |
| 20:19.15 | brasto | Starting MTA: exim4. |
| 20:19.15 | brasto | rc5:~# /etc/init.d/exim4 status |
| 20:19.15 | brasto | checking separate queue runner daemon...done (not running). |
| 20:19.15 | brasto | checking combined SMTP listener and queue runner daemon...done (not running). |
| 20:19.34 | Lone_Wanderer | weird |
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| 20:28.24 | brasto | nmap 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:28.36 | brasto | that tells me that nothing is already running on port 25 |
| 20:28.45 | brasto | so it should be fine... |
| 20:29.18 | justincarmony_ | ping herlo :P |
| 20:30.53 | mindjuju | ugh, 2 new front tires for my jeep, $350 mounted |
| 20:31.18 | optikal | What'd you get, Blizzak's? |
| 20:32.23 | mindjuju | nope, bfg all terrain ta ko |
| 20:33.27 | optikal | Aah nice, good choice. |
| 20:33.36 | optikal | Really good all season tires, and low road noise |
| 20:33.52 | mindjuju | i like 'em |
| 20:33.57 | mindjuju | until i have to pay for them |
| 20:36.30 | mindjuju | here is the info on it |
| 20:36.30 | mindjuju | http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/tires/bf_goodrich/size/viewProductDetail.do?pc=38134 |
| 20:53.53 | orsonj | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.27 | orsonj | It should be a digital alarm clock looking font, but fall back to monospace if it can't load the font. |
| 20:55.15 | DexterTheDragon | works on my webkit browser |
| 20:55.49 | mindjuju | it works well on your mudkip browser? |
| 20:55.58 | orsonj | It works in my copy of midori, but It didn't work in chrome, so I thought I'd better check safari |
| 20:58.50 | brasto | I think I found the problem |
| 20:59.15 | brasto | all the google hits people kept saying that it was caused by some other program or even another instance of exim taking port 25 |
| 20:59.20 | brasto | that made sense |
| 20:59.45 | fungus | heh, isn't that what we said? :) |
| 20:59.53 | brasto | but another cause that nobody seemed to think of on the google hits was if you happen to have the wrong IP in your exim config |
| 21:00.13 | brasto | one fetchin' fat-fingered number |
| 21:00.30 | brasto | yes, it's what we said, too. |
| 21:00.35 | fungus | Why do you have the ip in the exim config? |
| 21:00.49 | fungus | do you have to have it listen on only one ip? |
| 21:01.17 | brasto | I think so, but I might try a * some other time since it seems to be working now and I don't want to break it. |
| 21:01.41 | fungus | usually the default option is all IPs and interfaces |
| 21:03.33 | brasto | # grep -ir 192.168.123.5 /etc/exim4/ |
| 21:03.33 | brasto | /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf:dc_local_interfaces='127.0.0.1;192.168.123.5;67.136.58.134' |
| 21:03.42 | brasto | that's what I have |
| 21:03.55 | brasto | I had 192.168.123.4 |
| 21:04.49 | brasto | so, fungus, if I comment out that line, you think it will listen on all interfaces and IPs? |
| 21:04.50 | fungus | just change that to 0.0.0.0 |
| 21:07.20 | brasto | hmmm, I might give that a try after I verify a few other things. This server is supposed to be a secondary mail server that forwards to the primary as soon as the primary is made available again. Got to see if that's working first. |
| 21:08.19 | fungus | FYI, always strive to keep IP addresses out of config files wherever possible. Use DNS names, or defaults like 0.0.0.0. It saves tons of effort and problems. |
| 21:08.38 | fungus | Especially public addresses. |
| 21:21.03 | herlo | justincarmony_: pong |
| 21:45.28 | brasto | that makes sense fungus |
| 21:45.33 | brasto | then it's also portable, too |
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| 22:01.36 | brasto | alright, so it's partially working, but not the way we want it. I may have to jump into the #exim chat room, but I'll try here first. The secondary exim server receives mail now, but it just holds it in a queue until the primary server is available. We want it to make the mail available for reading, until the primary comes online, then pass it on. Can this be done? |
| 22:06.36 | beandog | wow |
| 22:06.44 | beandog | twitter is a real haven for spam |
| 22:06.47 | beandog | trending topics == worthless |
| 22:07.23 | DexterTheDragon | spam has gotten way worse on twitter |
| 22:08.55 | beandog | is smallville any good? |
| 22:09.01 | beandog | theyre gonna sell the season sets for $10 each here soon |
| 22:09.10 | beandog | Ive seen part of season 1 |
| 22:09.12 | beandog | but thats it |
| 22:10.28 | fungus | brasto, AFAIK no, that's not easy to do. |
| 22:10.44 | fungus | Once an MTA delivers a message, it's job is done. |
| 22:11.15 | fungus | MTAs accept messages, queue them, then either forward or deliver |
| 22:12.02 | fungus | backup mailservers either need to deliver the mail to a centrally accessible place that your primary reads too, or queue for later forwarding. |
| 22:13.02 | brasto | yea, that's kinda what I was thinking fungus |
| 22:13.15 | Dezertol | http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20091122/heres-a-first-man-arrested-for-not-using-twitter/ |
| 22:13.17 | Dezertol | lol |
| 22:14.20 | beandog | http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/24/know-your-enemies-weaknesses/ |
| 22:14.34 | beandog | Dezertol, that one is so crazy |
| 22:15.22 | Dezertol | welcome to our world |
| 22:15.30 | Dezertol | a bit sad.. tho |
| 22:15.55 | beandog | holy crap |
| 22:15.58 | beandog | Sony Bluray player for $130? |
| 22:16.11 | beandog | I've seriously got to just close my browsers for the week. |
| 22:16.41 | Dezertol | ya.. I've thought that for months now |
| 22:16.49 | Dezertol | and yet.. here I am.. |
| 22:18.52 | mindjuju | oh man |
| 22:19.03 | mindjuju | i was sitting here relaxing after a broadcast |
| 22:19.16 | mindjuju | when suddenly, i have a big hankering for a couple or corn dogs |
| 22:19.28 | Dezertol | and the cops busted in on you and arrested you for not twittering about it |
| 22:19.46 | Dezertol | Artic circle sells corn dogs |
| 22:19.53 | Dezertol | and tator tot's |
| 22:20.05 | mindjuju | tater tots rock |
| 22:20.15 | mindjuju | especially with spicy catchup |
| 22:20.45 | unum | artic circle sells sweet potatoe fries |
| 22:20.50 | DexterTheDragon | mmmmmmm fresh squeezed techno |
| 22:21.22 | brasto | can you cat /proc/something to get general hardware info like lshw? |
| 22:21.30 | mindjuju | DtD, where? |
| 22:21.35 | Dezertol | I made some sweet potato fries the other night.. there good stuff |
| 22:22.01 | brasto | hey, I made sweet potato fries a few days ago, too Dezertol |
| 22:22.07 | brasto | I also made yam fries |
| 22:22.11 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: generationtrance stuff. try this on for size http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Z31IV0HO |
| 22:22.33 | brasto | you know, most restaurants, in fact all the ones I've see so far that sell 'sweet potato fries' actually sell yam fries. |
| 22:22.36 | brasto | yams are red |
| 22:22.41 | brasto | sweet potatoes are yellow |
| 22:23.25 | Dezertol | ya that "salt city burgers" on 90th south and something east... |
| 22:23.28 | brasto | herlo, do you know of something you can cat in /proc that gives general hardware info like lshw? |
| 22:23.28 | Dezertol | sells them to |
| 22:23.53 | brasto | so, Dezertol, did you actually make yam fries or real sweet potato fries? |
| 22:24.37 | Dezertol | real sweet potato fries |
| 22:24.41 | brasto | sweet |
| 22:24.48 | brasto | they are better than yam fries |
| 22:25.01 | Dezertol | I havn't yet done it with yams |
| 22:25.18 | Dezertol | but.. I've done zukinie (can't spell sorry) |
| 22:25.28 | Dezertol | breaded and deep fried |
| 22:25.33 | Dezertol | and eggplant |
| 22:25.55 | brasto | I'm not sure if I'm doing it right since I don't follow a recipe. I just cut with the fry cutter, then cook in oil till they look done and then add salt or a seasoning salt. |
| 22:26.05 | Dezertol | ya |
| 22:26.08 | Dezertol | that's about it |
| 22:26.18 | beandog | brasto, lspci? |
| 22:26.19 | Dezertol | if you want them crispy.. |
| 22:26.29 | beandog | brasto, hwinfo |
| 22:26.42 | Dezertol | you can fry them for 5-10 at 250.. then re-fry them at 350 for a few |
| 22:26.52 | Dezertol | you'll get a nice cooked soft center witha crispy outside shell |
| 22:27.37 | brasto | there's a couple of them beandog |
| 22:27.51 | brasto | how long do you wait before you refry? |
| 22:29.06 | Dezertol | you can do it right then and there |
| 22:29.17 | Dezertol | or you can wait as long as you want |
| 22:29.30 | Dezertol | you can even freeze them between |
| 22:29.32 | Dezertol | and store them |
| 22:29.42 | Dezertol | that's what most fast food joints do |
| 22:30.58 | Dezertol | never worked in fast food but that's my impression |
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| 22:33.09 | brasto | so you have 2 pans with oil instead of one, both heated at once to different temperatures. Double the oil used or reuse it. |
| 22:33.37 | brasto | some people don't like to reuse oil. I see no prob with it. |
| 22:34.33 | Dezertol | I re-use my oil |
| 22:34.46 | Dezertol | I strain it each time but that's about it |
| 22:35.07 | Dezertol | I don't typiclly re-fry unless I'm using actual fryers |
| 22:35.19 | Dezertol | cuz it's way to hard to mantain a steady oil tmp |
| 22:35.26 | Dezertol | on the stove top |
| 22:37.38 | Dezertol | if you have a good cast iron dutch oven or pot it's easier but it's still a pain |
| 22:56.05 | brasto | well, I'm out. Catch y'all later. |
| 22:57.31 | Lone_Wanderer | holy crap |
| 22:57.49 | Lone_Wanderer | so just for fun I'm poking around on nutritiondata.com |
| 22:58.08 | Lone_Wanderer | they give everything an "inflammation factor" - higher numbers are better, a lot of foods are a little negative |
| 22:59.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Olive oil, which is really good for you, gets 1137. Fish oil - 17257 |
| 22:59.17 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know how they come up with the number, but holy crap. |
| 22:59.23 | beandog | whot? |
| 23:00.01 | optikal | Fish oil contains a lot of omega-3 fatty acids, that def has a lot to do with it |
| 23:00.07 | beandog | oh, meh |
| 23:00.15 | beandog | Tekken 6 for the 360 |
| 23:00.55 | DexterTheDragon | $70 discount tho |
| 23:01.03 | beandog | I dont have a 360 |
| 23:01.07 | beandog | :( |
| 23:01.33 | beandog | I hate how these descriptions are so ambiguous |
| 23:09.50 | beandog | http://www.blackfriday.info/sales/amazon.com-black-friday-ad.html |
| 23:10.38 | mindjuju | i'm not a big black friday shopper |
| 23:10.59 | mindjuju | i've done it several times, but here about 5 years ago, i noticed they'd put out some uber crazy sells, but only have 10 of them |
| 23:11.14 | mindjuju | then all of us would be dumb for standing in line for something you had no chance of getting |
| 23:11.27 | beandog | thats why I do it all online |
| 23:11.28 | beandog | :D |
| 23:11.32 | beandog | whee, amazon! |
| 23:12.23 | beandog | mindjuju, most of the stuff they move in stores is crap anyway |
| 23:13.43 | mindjuju | anyhow, the one thing i'm looking for, can't prolly afford any how, hasn't been listed |
| 23:13.48 | mindjuju | so i'm not too excited this year |
| 23:13.55 | beandog | mindjuju, whats that |
| 23:14.22 | mindjuju | though i think that places like Sears and others who tried to beat the "Black Friday" sale day by doing it on Thursday or earlier are really shooting themselves in the foot |
| 23:14.30 | mindjuju | beandog - 1TB+ drive |
| 23:14.30 | beandog | oh my crack, bestbuy has star trek blurays for $8? |
| 23:14.30 | beandog | eek |
| 23:14.30 | mindjuju | fo cheap |
| 23:14.49 | beandog | mindjuju, how cheap |
| 23:15.20 | mindjuju | i'd like a 1.5TB for $100 maybe |
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| 23:15.29 | beandog | thats what I paid for mine a few weeks ago |
| 23:15.55 | mindjuju | where at? |
| 23:15.59 | beandog | amazon |
| 23:16.19 | beandog | mindjuju, merry christmas: |
| 23:16.21 | beandog | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-Hard+Drives-_-Seagate-_-22148337 |
| 23:16.28 | mindjuju | anybody know what happens when you mix cheetos with cholula ? |
| 23:16.28 | beandog | Wow, thats a nice drive. |
| 23:16.30 | mindjuju | i'm curious |
| 23:16.37 | beandog | free shipping too |
| 23:17.09 | mindjuju | wow! |
| 23:17.52 | beandog | don't think, just buy! |
| 23:17.56 | mindjuju | hey fungus, that reminds me, how them speakers you bough from newegg? |
| 23:18.34 | fungus | Not bad. |
| 23:18.40 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:18.56 | fungus | Not super great, but decent for wireless headphoens |
| 23:19.06 | mindjuju | what's the range? |
| 23:20.31 | fungus | not sure, but they sound ok. |
| 23:20.46 | fungus | They are on-ear phones which was kind of annoying |
| 23:33.15 | mindjuju | ravetrax is playing awesome music |
| 23:34.49 | tierra | mindjuju / beandog: I'm pretty sure most of the 1 egg ratings for that drive were from when they first released those drives with faulty firmware, but that's since been fixed, and I don't think anyone is selling any more with that original firmware anymore either |
| 23:35.21 | tierra | I have 5 of those drives, I had to flash 3 of them (the first 3 I bought) |
| 23:37.40 | mindjuju | tierra, good to konw, i was worried |
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