| 00:01.57 | beandog | heh |
| 00:24.39 | Dezertol | just got http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ working on setup |
| 00:24.46 | Dezertol | and I already love it |
| 00:25.11 | Dezertol | bye bye extra keyboards and mouses |
| 00:26.05 | Dezertol | useing a mac as my main system and sending my keyboard and mouse over to my linux and windows boxes.. |
| 00:26.09 | Dezertol | what a slick little app |
| 00:29.20 | tierra | it's not very happy with OSX 10.6 though |
| 00:29.47 | tierra | that's alright though, I still do most of my work in 10.4 for now |
| 00:30.00 | tierra | at least, when I do work on the Mac anyway |
| 00:31.33 | Dezertol | well up until a couple months ago.. was only a linux person |
| 00:31.51 | Dezertol | but I got me power book pro to lug around |
| 00:31.57 | Dezertol | it's been good to me so far |
| 00:32.24 | fungus | tierra, the big problem with 10.6 I found was you need to run it in the foreground. |
| 00:32.33 | fungus | the daemonize is broken |
| 00:32.56 | tierra | how about the login screen then? |
| 00:33.08 | fungus | http://sourceforge.net/projects/synergykm/ provides a GUI PrefPane for Synergy |
| 00:33.46 | tierra | if OSX didn't complain about not having a mouse plugged in on startup, I wouldn't need one plugged in at all (I share from my Windows box) |
| 00:33.48 | fungus | You can write a launchd.plist setup for synergy |
| 00:34.41 | tierra | does that only work with an automatic login? |
| 00:35.18 | fungus | if you create the launchd service to start with the system, it will work at the login screen |
| 00:35.27 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.35 | fungus | but the clipboard sync won't work |
| 00:36.13 | tierra | that's one of the problems I've been having... c&p works with my setup with 10.4, but the same setup doesn't do c&p in 10.6 |
| 00:37.17 | fungus | Yeah, if you run synergy as the user logged in, c&p works. but no synergy at login screen |
| 00:37.25 | fungus | I gave up and turned on auto login |
| 00:37.32 | tierra | :( |
| 00:40.54 | tierra | my setup in 10.4 is perfect... I don't have auto-login, synergy works with the login screen, and once I'm logged in, I believe synergy gets restarted, and clipboard sync works |
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| 16:20.08 | herlo | beandog: hey, guess what! |
| 16:20.29 | beandog | herlo, more Super Friends on DVDs? |
| 16:20.36 | herlo | beandog: could be |
| 16:20.43 | herlo | but not what I was saying... |
| 16:20.44 | herlo | :) |
| 16:21.02 | beandog | herlo, in-air-intarwebs |
| 16:21.03 | beandog | very nice |
| 16:21.17 | herlo | aye aye cap'n |
| 16:21.27 | beandog | roger, roger |
| 16:22.42 | beandog | herlo, where you heading? |
| 16:23.59 | herlo | Kentucky |
| 16:24.11 | herlo | right now, on my way to Cincinatti |
| 16:24.31 | beandog | are you gonna sing Dixie Land when you get there |
| 16:25.05 | herlo | beandog: don't know the words, but we could end up at the Grand Ole Opry in Nashville :) |
| 16:25.20 | beandog | Oh I wish I were in the land of Cotton |
| 16:25.23 | beandog | way down south, something, forgotten |
| 16:25.27 | beandog | look away, look away, look away, dixie land |
| 16:25.49 | beandog | Oh I wish I were in Dixie, away, away |
| 16:25.51 | beandog | something something |
| 16:25.54 | beandog | oh dixie land. |
| 16:25.55 | beandog | :) |
| 16:26.20 | beandog | http://www.countrygoldusa.com/dixie.asp |
| 16:26.21 | beandog | Close enough. |
| 16:27.13 | herlo | beandog: thanks |
| 16:27.16 | herlo | now I don't have to sing it :) |
| 16:27.58 | beandog | I'm sure the stewardess would be impressed |
| 16:31.35 | herlo | no, they wouldn't |
| 16:38.18 | Dezertol | lol |
| 16:38.39 | Dezertol | oh.. way down south in the land of cotton where old times and not forgotten |
| 16:38.55 | Dezertol | I've not head the I wish version |
| 16:40.26 | Dezertol | my wifes fam sings that 16 tons by Merl Travis and they sing it wrong every time.. |
| 16:40.56 | Dezertol | I had no idea that the words to the dixie land song where not what I thought |
| 16:42.03 | beandog | yah |
| 16:42.08 | beandog | especially the parts about all the stabbing |
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| 16:49.54 | beandog | magic quotes-- |
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| 16:51.58 | josephscott | won't be able to make the UPHPU meeting tonight again, it's my wife's birthday |
| 16:52.34 | herlo | beandog: http://www.speedtest.net/result/627514819.png |
| 16:53.46 | beandog | herlo, not bad |
| 16:53.46 | beandog | fire up hulu |
| 16:58.33 | herlo | lol |
| 16:58.42 | herlo | can do actually. Already watched youtube |
| 16:58.47 | herlo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d85p7JZXNy8 |
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| 17:36.47 | PoeticIntensity | Hey CSS gurus.... |
| 17:38.05 | PoeticIntensity | How do I make links inherit parent styles in IE? |
| 17:38.20 | PoeticIntensity | It works in FF and Safari, but IE still puts the link's color in... |
| 17:38.36 | PoeticIntensity | For example, take a look at www.advancedonlinedrums.com in FF, then in IE. |
| 17:40.03 | *** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Meeting today @7pm @billgood - Velda Harper Christensen (supernovia) - Methods for Mockups: A Geek's Guide to Design | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 17:40.15 | mindjuju | greets everybody |
| 17:40.26 | mindjuju | just a kind reminder today's meeting is the last for the year |
| 17:40.34 | DexterTheDragon | :( |
| 17:40.59 | mindjuju | which sadly means, unless we do another figlet w/goto, this is the last after hours party of the year |
| 17:41.01 | PoeticIntensity | I'm putting a class in there which is supposed to override the anchor tag's style. |
| 17:41.05 | PoeticIntensity | in IE, it doesn't.. |
| 17:41.25 | mindjuju | there is 1 more geek lunch on Dec 3 i think it is |
| 17:41.28 | mindjuju | the one that swb will be at |
| 17:43.16 | Dezertol | well in ie 6 the menu doesn't load and there is a white box around the drum |
| 17:43.26 | Dezertol | not sure how many peopole still use ie 6 |
| 17:43.34 | Dezertol | but at my job I have to qualify them all |
| 17:43.51 | Dezertol | png support in ie6 blows |
| 17:44.10 | _psychic_ | PoeticIntensity: does IE use !important? |
| 17:44.18 | DexterTheDragon | PoeticIntensity: thats some crazy styling you got going on |
| 17:44.20 | Dezertol | there are also layer z-index stacking bugs in ie 6 |
| 17:44.42 | Dezertol | nope ie does not use !important |
| 17:44.44 | Dezertol | firefox does |
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| 17:45.02 | PoeticIntensity | DexterTheDragon, why do you think that? |
| 17:45.10 | PoeticIntensity | Hi, swb! |
| 17:45.30 | PoeticIntensity | does it suck that badly? Hmm.... I'm definitely no designer. |
| 17:45.35 | swb | hiya |
| 17:45.46 | Dezertol | crazy != suck |
| 17:45.56 | PoeticIntensity | true... true... |
| 17:46.12 | DexterTheDragon | PoeticIntensity: absolute positioning everything tends to bork alot |
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| 17:47.05 | PoeticIntensity | ugh... it looks like crap in Chrome, too. |
| 17:47.34 | Dezertol | just so you know.. Chrome is using the webkit rendering engine |
| 17:47.39 | Dezertol | the same one that safari uses |
| 17:47.47 | PoeticIntensity | okay... I did something to bork it. |
| 17:47.50 | PoeticIntensity | one sec. |
| 17:48.24 | PoeticIntensity | heh.. okay.. it's better now (in everything except IE) |
| 17:49.05 | PoeticIntensity | hrm... I could just take the color away from the anchor tag, and create a "link" class.. |
| 17:50.15 | Dezertol | to get a png to work in ie6 you need to use the filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src=' |
| 17:50.35 | Dezertol | if your worried about ie6 that is |
| 17:50.47 | PoeticIntensity | Nope.... don't care at all about IE6. |
| 17:51.41 | PoeticIntensity | DexterTheDragon, I don't see any problems with the positioning in any of the three browsers I'm using... Do you see bork-ness with the positioning? |
| 17:54.15 | DexterTheDragon | PoeticIntensity: resize your browser window to something like 480px x 320px |
| 17:54.44 | PoeticIntensity | yup.... it disappears... |
| 17:55.03 | PoeticIntensity | and, not sure if this is good or not, but if someone is using that size of a window, then ..... poo on them. |
| 17:55.29 | DexterTheDragon | you can do that page layout with out using reletive positioning |
| 17:55.32 | PoeticIntensity | it barely works for 800x600, and that's the lowest I care about. |
| 17:55.52 | PoeticIntensity | I'd be interesting in learning how to do that. |
| 17:56.26 | PoeticIntensity | (but right now, I've gotta fix those stupid link colors in IE) |
| 18:06.02 | utahcon | anyone watching the Google Chrome OS announcement? |
| 18:08.54 | mgeary | you know... these ads that you see everywhere, "single mom discovers trick to whiten your teeth", just make me itch. "Woah, that's awesome. A downtrodden member of society is stickin' it to The Man and revealing hidden truths to us all!" |
| 18:09.30 | mgeary | like that stupid Airborne, "Created by a school teacher", 'cause that carries MUCH more weight than, you know, something created by researchers... |
| 18:09.35 | fungus | utahcon, link? |
| 18:10.01 | utahcon | fungus: I am following live blog on gizmodo: http://live.gizmodo.com/ |
| 18:10.04 | utahcon | havne't found video |
| 18:10.20 | fungus | cool |
| 18:11.34 | _psychic_ | mgeary: seriously. |
| 18:12.12 | DexterTheDragon | utahcon: fungus: vlc mms://a1775.l3402457774.c34024.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/1775/34024/v0001/reflector:57774 |
| 18:12.32 | fungus | woot |
| 18:18.26 | utahcon | nice work DexterTheDragon |
| 18:18.30 | utahcon | where'd you find that? |
| 18:19.42 | DexterTheDragon | utahcon: http://www.google.com/intl/en/press/annc/20091119_chrome_os_webcast.html |
| 18:21.11 | utahcon | you smarty |
| 18:24.12 | utahcon | hmm |
| 18:24.19 | utahcon | all in the cloud... what if I don't have net access? |
| 18:24.23 | mindjuju | what are they saying about chrome? |
| 18:24.38 | utahcon | mindjuju: All Cloud based, All "Web Apps" |
| 18:24.51 | utahcon | Looks like Chrome (browser) |
| 18:24.57 | utahcon | boots in 7 seconds (from cold) |
| 18:25.17 | utahcon | has fullscreen mode, supposedly for any app |
| 18:26.06 | DexterTheDragon | yeah thats really only usefull if your netbook has 3G built in |
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| 18:26.58 | utahcon | DexterTheDragon: screw 3G... need better than that! |
| 18:27.01 | utahcon | lol |
| 18:27.02 | utahcon | not really though |
| 18:27.16 | fungus | 4G from Verizon |
| 18:27.36 | utahcon | fungus: what are the _real_ speeds of 4G from Verizon, where it is available>? |
| 18:27.56 | fungus | They are testing now at 10Mbps |
| 18:28.02 | fungus | but it's capabable up to 100 |
| 18:28.15 | utahcon | weak... Tmobile will have 21Mbps next year |
| 18:28.22 | utahcon | :D |
| 18:30.26 | DexterTheDragon | the question is can I have chrome os installed and linux installed |
| 18:30.35 | utahcon | DexterTheDragon: good question |
| 18:30.39 | fungus | It's pretty much linux |
| 18:30.48 | _psychic_ | lol http://twitter.com/jeresig/status/5864666682 |
| 18:30.50 | fungus | did you notice the /media/DROID mountpoint? |
| 18:30.52 | utahcon | fungus: did you look at the code yet? |
| 18:31.19 | fungus | no, just saw the mount point |
| 18:32.41 | fungus | "custom firmware" ?!?!? |
| 18:32.57 | DexterTheDragon | yeah but they aren't going to give you access to the "linux" |
| 18:35.29 | utahcon | reimage on bad version ... eek |
| 18:35.40 | utahcon | I guess since everything is in the cloud.. it is more of a meh |
| 18:35.59 | fungus | exactly, but they still save the "cached data" |
| 18:37.26 | Lone_Wanderer | dangit I was just thinking of something I wanted to bring up in here |
| 18:37.37 | Lone_Wanderer | and now I forgot |
| 18:38.32 | utahcon | auto-update of the OS... |
| 18:38.43 | utahcon | hope they are really testing this stuf |
| 18:39.01 | DexterTheDragon | you don't trust google? |
| 18:39.27 | utahcon | Yes and no. |
| 18:40.13 | utahcon | at least they are being realistic about security |
| 18:40.23 | utahcon | "anything can be cracked" |
| 18:41.07 | fungus | i'm really jazzed about the complete data sync |
| 18:42.19 | utahcon | only support for SSH |
| 18:42.20 | utahcon | SSd |
| 18:42.22 | utahcon | rather |
| 18:42.38 | fungus | very limited hardware support. can anyone say "apple"? |
| 18:42.52 | utahcon | yeah caught that too |
| 18:43.15 | utahcon | slightly larger netbooks |
| 18:43.18 | fungus | ick |
| 18:43.49 | utahcon | dev in the open from now on... that is nice. |
| 18:43.58 | fungus | If I want a bigger netbook, I want a real laptop |
| 18:44.10 | utahcon | Linux Kernel, support from Ubuntu, and Moblin |
| 18:44.56 | utahcon | You need a netbook, and a screwdriver to get Chrome OS running today. |
| 18:45.13 | fungus | heh. I wonder if my eeepc would work? |
| 18:46.09 | utahcon | so Chrome OS is just the next step in the Mozilla Prism/Adobe AIR paradigm? |
| 18:47.08 | utahcon | hmmm... |
| 18:47.14 | utahcon | not wild about that explanation of an OS |
| 18:47.36 | fungus | sounds like chrome os isn't a replacement OS for everything. just a new netbook OS |
| 18:48.02 | fungus | Which I would like, as long as I get a Terminal. |
| 18:48.12 | DexterTheDragon | yeah |
| 18:48.20 | utahcon | hmmm |
| 18:48.23 | utahcon | HTML5 terminal |
| 18:48.33 | DexterTheDragon | and if my netbook had internet at random location |
| 18:48.46 | utahcon | yeah I am more worried about when I don't have a connection |
| 18:48.51 | utahcon | then the netbook is ... useless. |
| 18:49.20 | fungus | not really, it caches all data locally |
| 18:49.26 | fungus | and syncs when you get a connection |
| 18:49.30 | utahcon | yeah as long as the APP is available |
| 18:51.04 | utahcon | "time will tell" is Google-eze for "Yes, but we can't tell you" |
| 18:51.21 | fungus | hehe |
| 18:52.30 | DexterTheDragon | so have they said where I can download this to try it out with my screwdriver? |
| 18:52.41 | utahcon | src.chromium.org |
| 18:53.05 | utahcon | http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os |
| 18:53.05 | fungus | http://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/chromium-os/getting-dev-hardware/dev-hardware-list |
| 18:53.44 | fungus | still empty though |
| 18:54.17 | utahcon | lol |
| 18:54.27 | utahcon | Acme Netbook and FooBar Awesomeness |
| 18:54.42 | DexterTheDragon | they said the are using a eeepc |
| 18:56.15 | DexterTheDragon | yeah these instructions look like a weekend project :) |
| 18:57.08 | utahcon | do it! |
| 18:57.47 | DexterTheDragon | totally gonna try it |
| 18:58.02 | utahcon | what instructions are you going to follow? |
| 18:59.14 | utahcon | what was that about microsoft? |
| 18:59.21 | fungus | the build instructions have a section for converting to vmware |
| 19:00.55 | utahcon | indeed they do |
| 19:03.21 | utahcon | Wifi is the case they have in mind. |
| 19:04.13 | utahcon | 802.11n is the spec they are focusing on |
| 19:05.36 | utahcon | people aren't paying attention |
| 19:05.44 | beandog | what |
| 19:06.00 | utahcon | people are repeating the question "Will Android apps work on Chrome" |
| 19:06.00 | utahcon | :D |
| 19:07.16 | DexterTheDragon | thats cause the don't understand that its only for accessing the web |
| 19:07.28 | utahcon | yeah I am getting that |
| 19:07.31 | DexterTheDragon | I don't think thats how people function |
| 19:07.58 | jtsnow | "that's what steve jobs said" |
| 19:08.14 | utahcon | where did that guys get intel from what they are saying... |
| 19:08.33 | DexterTheDragon | well he asked about Native Client |
| 19:08.39 | utahcon | ah |
| 19:08.40 | utahcon | ok |
| 19:09.23 | DexterTheDragon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SplashTop |
| 19:09.27 | utahcon | good question abouts ads in the OS |
| 19:10.08 | utahcon | huh... |
| 19:10.26 | utahcon | they are really stressing this is just a browser :D |
| 19:12.45 | utahcon | hmm |
| 19:12.51 | utahcon | people missing the boat on where the cloud is too |
| 19:14.15 | utahcon | Google guys seem to be losing their patience. They seem bothered that people aren't getting the Browser is not the OS> |
| 19:16.25 | DexterTheDragon | why are people so obsessed with android |
| 19:16.40 | utahcon | cause it is the only other Google OS (in their eyes) |
| 19:17.17 | jtsnow | if they wanted android apps, they would have just made a version of android for netbooks |
| 19:17.42 | utahcon | jtsnow: there are already versions of Android on netbooks :D |
| 19:18.11 | utahcon | Chrome OS will print (through an innovative way) |
| 19:18.13 | fungus | Why is printing still such an pain? |
| 19:18.31 | fungus | You would think that problem would be solved by now. |
| 19:18.37 | utahcon | fungus: agreed |
| 19:26.30 | beandog | The future of all apps is either gonna be in flash or in the browser, it seems like |
| 19:26.55 | beandog | once flash works on all cell phones, then its pretty much game over for app stores. |
| 19:27.25 | beandog | course the hard part is getting a phone powerful enough |
| 19:44.41 | Lone_Wanderer | fungus: I think that printing is a lot harder than it seems. |
| 19:44.47 | Lone_Wanderer | That's not really an excuse. |
| 19:45.40 | fungus | printing is a very hard problem. |
| 19:46.40 | fungus | drivers, queues, sharing, etc |
| 19:47.14 | fungus | why can't we have a uniform printer driver, like USB Storage |
| 19:48.04 | fungus | beandog, if the future of apps is browser based then we need better programming tools than just crappy ass flash and js. |
| 19:48.59 | beandog | hear hear |
| 19:49.32 | fungus | jquery is a big help, but it's still an ugly hack for real applications |
| 19:49.56 | fungus | and flash with never truly be open source. |
| 19:52.28 | utahcon | fungus: |
| 19:52.41 | utahcon | fungus: there is a chance (although truly slight) that Flash will one day be OS |
| 19:54.59 | fungus | I doubt it. the guy that spoke at utosc from adobe said that it isn't gonna happen for the important pieces |
| 20:01.47 | beandog | ~flash fungus |
| 20:01.48 | ibot | ACTION starts a firmware update on fungus, then pulls the plug halfway through |
| 20:01.56 | utahcon | I'd have to watch the video again, but I think his argument was that there are parts of Flash that Adobe doesn't own, and so they couldn't take the blame for them never becoming OS |
| 20:02.23 | utahcon | that said, if the internals of Flash that are not native to Adobe became OS then technically Flash could be completely OS |
| 20:06.25 | fungus | wow, the new PowerEdge R series from Dell are really really cool. |
| 20:08.54 | mindjuju | ~DexterTheDragon++ |
| 20:09.13 | DexterTheDragon | score |
| 20:09.29 | mindjuju | redmine is simple and intuitive, i think it's going to really work great |
| 20:09.43 | mindjuju | beandog, i was skimming y'alls comments about chrome |
| 20:09.44 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: good to hear |
| 20:09.54 | beandog | mindjuju, can you fixxor the onjoin |
| 20:10.12 | mindjuju | i was just listengin g to CSPAN on the senate and health care |
| 20:10.22 | mindjuju | beandog, sorry htought i un did that already |
| 20:10.30 | mindjuju | i'll talk to ibot again |
| 20:10.42 | beandog | mindjuju, anyting interesting? |
| 20:11.09 | mindjuju | well, i did find this on huffpro in a comment |
| 20:11.10 | mindjuju | http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/patient-protection-affordable-care-act.pdf |
| 20:11.21 | mindjuju | oops, huffpo, not huffpro |
| 20:11.40 | mindjuju | curiously, for a 2k document, its just 2.4mb ithink it was |
| 20:11.43 | mindjuju | quite small |
| 20:12.50 | mindjuju | beandog, can you leave #uphpu for a minute then come back |
| 20:12.56 | mindjuju | i want to see if the onjoin is off |
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| 20:13.16 | beandog | yarr |
| 20:13.18 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:13.25 | beandog | So, I have a great idea |
| 20:13.36 | beandog | After the applebees tonight, lets all go see a midnight showing of Twilight |
| 20:13.46 | beandog | PoeticIntensity is already going |
| 20:14.02 | mindjuju | actually, somebody here has sneak peek tickets and is selling them |
| 20:14.07 | mindjuju | i wisely deleted the email |
| 20:15.28 | beandog | mindjuju, orly? |
| 20:15.43 | mindjuju | rly |
| 20:16.04 | beandog | I got dragged into seeing the first one. |
| 20:16.17 | mindjuju | never saw it |
| 20:16.29 | beandog | It wasn't great. |
| 20:16.47 | fungus | I would be shot if I saw it tonight. |
| 20:16.56 | fungus | I have to wait til Saturday. |
| 20:17.00 | mindjuju | i'm more of a Anne Rice fan / take on vaparism |
| 20:17.12 | mindjuju | vamparism |
| 20:17.16 | DexterTheDragon | I heard the new one is worse |
| 20:17.34 | beandog | I'll probably go see it just so I can keep up |
| 20:17.44 | beandog | yanno. |
| 20:17.53 | mindjuju | keep up with what? girls between the ages of 12 - 34? |
| 20:18.00 | beandog | lol |
| 20:18.03 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:18.09 | beandog | Twilight = Star Wars for women |
| 20:18.27 | DexterTheDragon | Twilight = Dracula for women |
| 20:18.28 | mindjuju | so, who is han solo in twilight? |
| 20:18.41 | mindjuju | and heh, what about chewie? |
| 20:18.47 | beandog | lmao |
| 20:18.52 | mindjuju | is there a hairy woman running around ? |
| 20:19.06 | beandog | does the werewolf count? |
| 20:19.07 | mindjuju | making guttural noises? |
| 20:19.12 | beandog | he is kinda girly |
| 20:19.18 | fungus | The second Book was the worst in the series. but translated into a movie they can cut all the boring crap |
| 20:19.35 | beandog | fungus, how many books are there? |
| 20:19.40 | fungus | 4 |
| 20:19.58 | mindjuju | one of the guys that plays a werewolf is also in a movie called sharkboy and lavagirl |
| 20:19.58 | beandog | The first movie wasn't *that* bad ... it was just kind of .. plotless. |
| 20:20.04 | mindjuju | i bought it for my son a couple years back |
| 20:20.10 | beandog | mindjuju, oh man I gotta watch that movie still |
| 20:20.20 | beandog | ~netflix |
| 20:20.38 | beandog | wow, 2 stars on netflix |
| 20:20.47 | beandog | The Adventures of Sharkboy & Lavagirl has been added to your DVD Queue at position #437 |
| 20:20.54 | beandog | might be a while. |
| 20:20.58 | DexterTheDragon | wow |
| 20:21.53 | mindjuju | beandog, DtD - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNjMlZyCxEk |
| 20:22.01 | mindjuju | there is the werewolf dude |
| 20:22.02 | utahcon | why'd google make their own tools for git? |
| 20:22.16 | beandog | mindjuju, what th crack |
| 20:22.24 | mindjuju | i don't recommend watching the whole thing |
| 20:22.50 | beandog | mindjuju, I take it you don't love your son, then |
| 20:22.54 | DexterTheDragon | that mixed well with my techno |
| 20:23.05 | beandog | if you bought that for him |
| 20:23.16 | mindjuju | well, if you have a son, sit and watch it and act excited |
| 20:23.19 | beandog | mindjuju, what's he getting for this christmas -- the star wars holiday special? |
| 20:23.20 | mindjuju | try to get into it |
| 20:23.24 | mindjuju | don't be judgemental |
| 20:23.28 | beandog | :) |
| 20:23.35 | mindjuju | about the movie, that is |
| 20:23.36 | beandog | I'm just kidding. I'd probably end up buy it. |
| 20:23.38 | beandog | buying |
| 20:23.49 | beandog | You wouldnt believe some of the movies I have ... |
| 20:23.58 | mindjuju | i do have star wars holiday special |
| 20:24.09 | utahcon | <facepalm? |
| 20:24.11 | utahcon | > |
| 20:24.19 | mindjuju | i'd put $ down that nobody can watch it all |
| 20:24.28 | beandog | mindjuju, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE3tAH8wstM |
| 20:24.34 | beandog | mindjuju, same girl in Twilight |
| 20:25.01 | beandog | she is about the worst actress Ive ever seen |
| 20:25.09 | utahcon | beandog: agreed |
| 20:25.32 | beandog | well, for a 12 year old |
| 20:25.37 | fungus | I still wanna see Pirate Radio |
| 20:25.38 | beandog | she was better in twlight |
| 20:25.48 | utahcon | fungus: me too! |
| 20:25.51 | utahcon | looks good |
| 20:25.57 | fungus | oh yeah. |
| 20:26.17 | fungus | gah! Precious comes out tomorrow! |
| 20:26.23 | fungus | here in SLC. |
| 20:26.27 | beandog | whats that |
| 20:26.28 | beandog | OH |
| 20:26.30 | beandog | I wanna see that |
| 20:26.36 | beandog | I totally forgot about that one |
| 20:26.49 | beandog | That movie is gonna be trippy / psycho / very interesting |
| 20:27.06 | fungus | hellyeah |
| 20:27.14 | fungus | only playing at Broadway |
| 20:27.16 | fungus | so far |
| 20:27.35 | beandog | that's not the one that's part theater part rental store is it |
| 20:27.49 | fungus | no |
| 20:27.55 | fungus | you are thinking of the Tower |
| 20:28.01 | beandog | oh, okay |
| 20:28.02 | fungus | Broadway is on 300 S |
| 20:28.02 | beandog | I dont like that one |
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| 20:28.07 | beandog | fungus, ever been to Brewvies? |
| 20:28.17 | utahcon | mmm... beer and movies... |
| 20:28.17 | fungus | yeah, many times |
| 20:28.32 | beandog | Ive never been, any good? |
| 20:28.40 | fungus | hell yeah |
| 20:28.50 | fungus | beer + movies + food |
| 20:28.58 | fungus | great hummus! |
| 20:28.58 | beandog | hmm, cool |
| 20:29.00 | beandog | I gotta go |
| 20:29.05 | beandog | we had something like that in Atlanta |
| 20:29.13 | beandog | it was way cool |
| 20:29.19 | utahcon | I wanna go to that place in TX where it is a normal theater with waiters. |
| 20:29.20 | fungus | and they usually pick great movies |
| 20:29.40 | beandog | oh wow |
| 20:29.43 | beandog | they show old movies?? |
| 20:29.47 | beandog | I missed Dark Crystal?!@!!@ |
| 20:29.53 | fungus | http://www.brewvies.com/ |
| 20:30.09 | fungus | not *old* movies. just a few weeks old. |
| 20:30.31 | beandog | eh? Dark Crystal is 80s |
| 20:30.35 | mindjuju | you know, all this talk about vampires reminds me of this |
| 20:30.36 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o375ke8Csio |
| 20:30.38 | beandog | see the bottom of the page |
| 20:30.49 | fungus | oh, yeah, they do that sometimes too |
| 20:30.58 | utahcon | mindjuju: do you ever get off YouTube? |
| 20:31.18 | fungus | lol, Lost Boys. |
| 20:31.20 | mindjuju | nope |
| 20:31.28 | fungus | worst movie I ever liked. |
| 20:31.35 | mindjuju | worst movie? |
| 20:31.46 | fungus | the worst one that I actually liked. |
| 20:31.50 | fungus | quite a strange combo |
| 20:32.25 | fungus | I tried watching it again as an adult, and realized how bad it truly is. |
| 20:32.31 | mindjuju | no way |
| 20:32.32 | fungus | but I loved it as a kid. |
| 20:32.37 | mindjuju | the frog brothers were awesome! |
| 20:32.51 | mindjuju | next you're going to say goonies doesn't stand the test of time |
| 20:32.53 | fungus | So I still like it, well... the memories it's brings. |
| 20:33.02 | fungus | No, I would never say that. |
| 20:33.07 | fungus | Goonies are forever |
| 20:33.42 | fungus | Coreys are not forever though. :) |
| 20:33.53 | mindjuju | true |
| 20:33.55 | mindjuju | but there is this |
| 20:33.56 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5whaRkuipU |
| 20:34.13 | fungus | lol |
| 20:34.45 | fungus | mindjuju really doesn't do anything but watch youtube. |
| 20:35.00 | mindjuju | love this part - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5UG7ISJfP0 |
| 20:35.45 | mindjuju | jump to :52, that's what i had as my answering machine message in college |
| 20:36.20 | fungus | utahcon, after I got my linode I found out that my noisy server wasn't a fan. It was the hard drive. talk about good timing. |
| 20:36.38 | Lone_Wanderer | holy crap, PHP has lambda calculus and closures now? |
| 20:36.48 | Lone_Wanderer | how did I miss that? |
| 20:36.52 | fungus | Lone_Wanderer, don't forget about "goto" |
| 20:37.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Wait.... it doesn't actually have goto does it? |
| 20:37.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought you were just joking around about lambda calculus being messy |
| 20:37.51 | fungus | nope, it's true |
| 20:38.07 | fungus | http://us.php.net/goto |
| 20:38.12 | fungus | see the comic at the bottom too |
| 20:38.51 | DexterTheDragon | I love that that comic is still on there |
| 20:38.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh man. |
| 20:39.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, the comic belongs there. |
| 20:39.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Also, whoever added goto to php should be eaten by a raptor. |
| 20:39.15 | utahcon | fungus: wow, great timing |
| 20:39.57 | utahcon | yeah buddy... PHP 5.3.0... hopefully it will get forgotten in 6.0 :D |
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| 20:40.32 | fungus | to be honest, I've actually given up on PHP quite a while ago. I have been saved/born again. |
| 20:40.43 | mgeary | python FTW |
| 20:40.49 | fungus | hehe, yup |
| 20:41.00 | mgeary | fungus: so you doing django at all? |
| 20:41.17 | fungus | when I do web apps, which is rare, yeah |
| 20:41.36 | fungus | though i've tried others. |
| 20:42.14 | fungus | I'm trying to get into ruby, but it's too weird and perlish compared to python |
| 20:44.53 | mgeary | amen |
| 20:45.33 | mgeary | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.51 | utahcon | lol |
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| 20:47.26 | Lone_Wanderer | I've heard that Ruby is weird, perlish, and lisplike. |
| 20:47.37 | Lone_Wanderer | All of these things fascinate and intrigue me. I must learn it. |
| 20:47.50 | Lone_Wanderer | In fact maybe I'll write my financial thingiemajigger in it. Is it easy to do GUIs on Windows in Ruby? |
| 20:48.33 | fungus | don't ask me. I don't do windows, and I have only dabbled with GUIs |
| 20:48.38 | Lone_Wanderer | kk |
| 20:48.42 | Lone_Wanderer | well, it can't be impossible |
| 20:48.56 | Lone_Wanderer | actually, scratch that, the financial doohickey has to have a gui, I'll do that in python |
| 20:49.04 | Lone_Wanderer | I need a good language-learning project for Ruby. |
| 20:51.13 | Lone_Wanderer | woo! finally got this damn thing to work |
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| 21:02.22 | brasto | what does t3h mean? |
| 21:02.27 | brasto | anyone know? |
| 21:03.14 | mindjuju | i speak l337 |
| 21:03.20 | brasto | I ask because of a popular thread in the byu uug where the subjec is Fedora iz t3h AW3S0M3!!! |
| 21:03.25 | mindjuju | i watched that numbers tv clip on youtube |
| 21:03.26 | brasto | yea, it's l337 |
| 21:03.33 | brasto | but I can't figure that one out. |
| 21:03.35 | mindjuju | t3h == the |
| 21:03.46 | brasto | shouldn't that be th3? |
| 21:03.53 | mindjuju | no |
| 21:03.58 | mindjuju | th3 would not be cool enough |
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| 21:04.36 | brasto | lol |
| 21:07.13 | fungus | brasto, t3h -> teh -> the |
| 21:07.20 | fungus | teh is a common typo |
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| 21:08.31 | mindjuju | beandog - http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/movie-talk-fight-club-bluray.html |
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| 21:15.02 | beandog | mindjuju, heh |
| 21:15.05 | beandog | thtas awesome |
| 21:18.20 | beandog | mindjuju, heh, that was on your answering machien? Man. I gotta get better ringtones. |
| 21:20.56 | beandog | man today is flyingby |
| 21:22.07 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: could go faster |
| 21:25.51 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, try listening to Willy Wonka soundtracks |
| 21:25.55 | beandog | that's what's doing it for me |
| 21:26.10 | DexterTheDragon | nah my techno's working just fine |
| 21:26.46 | beandog | now_playing[Violet Beauregarde] length[1:26/2:09] |
| 21:26.51 | beandog | my thing really stinks |
| 21:26.55 | beandog | I gotta see about fixing that |
| 21:27.25 | DexterTheDragon | yeah its all linuxy and junk |
| 21:28.18 | beandog | yah |
| 21:28.21 | beandog | not very helpful |
| 21:29.48 | beandog | meh |
| 21:30.59 | jtsnow | to build your PHP confidence even more... http://us2.php.net/releases/5_3_1.php |
| 21:31.47 | jtsnow | fatal error! |
| 21:37.25 | Lone_Wanderer | macnewbold: ping |
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| 21:51.08 | beandog | jtsnow, lol |
| 21:52.14 | jtsnow | yeah... even more ironically, the error is a call to undefined function bugfix() :) |
| 21:52.36 | beandog | They spelled maintenance wrong, too |
| 21:56.22 | unum | but it was after midnight |
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| 22:26.22 | beandog | so is the meeting 7 or 7:30? |
| 22:26.58 | DexterTheDragon | ~topic beandog |
| 22:27.09 | beandog | just carifiyin |
| 22:27.12 | beandog | I thought its usually 7:30 |
| 22:27.24 | DexterTheDragon | its always at 7 |
| 22:27.26 | beandog | I dont know why I'm asking, Ill probably be 45 minutes late either way. |
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| 22:38.40 | Dezertol | http://www.amazon.com/Mobile-Office-WM-01-Laptop-Steering/dp/B000IZGIA8/ref=cm_cmu_pg__header |
| 22:38.41 | Dezertol | lol wow |
| 22:38.58 | Dezertol | check out the customer pics |
| 22:39.04 | beandog | does it bother anyone else that the steering wheel is upside down? |
| 22:39.23 | beandog | Dezertol, lol |
| 22:39.25 | beandog | that is awesome |
| 22:39.29 | Dezertol | that's not even the half of it |
| 22:39.50 | Dezertol | the customer images say it all |
| 22:40.45 | DexterTheDragon | awesome |
| 22:45.50 | beandog | Now I just want one even more |
| 22:46.45 | beandog | what they really need is a picture of someone who is sliced in half by that thing when they get in a wreck |
| 22:47.16 | Dezertol | ew.. could you imagin trying to pick your guts out of the keyboard |
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| 23:04.11 | mgeary | those reviews are awesome |
| 23:05.11 | jtsnow | I like this one... http://www.amazon.com/review/R2B4ZSOC3LT4X5/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm |
| 23:17.51 | beandog | lol |
| 23:25.53 | tierra | there's another review like that one (involving airplane pilots), but that one is better... |
| 23:27.05 | tierra | it's like there's some group out there that purposely scours Amazon for products like this, and they just turn the internet comedy machine on it |
| 23:31.20 | macnewbold | Lone_Away: pong (sorry for the high latency, looks like i missed you) |
| 23:33.40 | Lone_Away | I'm back |
| 23:36.16 | Lone_Wanderer | macnewbold: still there? |
| 23:36.24 | macnewbold | Lone_Wanderer: yeah |
| 23:36.58 | Lone_Wanderer | so, I don't want to nag or anything |
| 23:37.24 | Lone_Wanderer | but I'm wondering if you saw my email about the top three challenges that web dev shops face |
| 23:40.32 | mgeary | oh, that was from you? |
| 23:40.38 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 23:40.56 | mgeary | aha |
| 23:41.39 | mgeary | i'm not so organized as to say, "here's the top 3", but here are some ever-present challenges: |
| 23:41.44 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 23:41.50 | mgeary | 1) defining, and keeping clients to, a scope |
| 23:42.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Heh heh. Yeah. |
| 23:43.25 | mgeary | 2) keeping employees interested, engaged and on-task, given that some parts of every project tend to get a bit tedious |
| 23:44.37 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 23:44.51 | mgeary | 3) smoothing out the peaks and valleys of work such that you're not either scared spitless that you'll go under, or so slammed with work you can't take a break |
| 23:44.59 | macnewbold | Lone_Wanderer: i just saw it |
| 23:45.00 | mgeary | :) |
| 23:45.16 | mgeary | 4) getting some clients to pay on-time |
| 23:45.25 | macnewbold | i definitely agree with mgeary's #1 and #3, they're big ones |
| 23:45.30 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought #3 was only a problem with independent contractors |
| 23:45.55 | macnewbold | we don't usually have as many problems with #2, and we mostly solved #4 with 50% up front, 50% upon completion before the site launches or the code is delivered |
| 23:46.18 | macnewbold | #3 gets a little better in a bigger company, but is still an issue to keep everyone productive |
| 23:46.40 | mgeary | #4 is hard when you get to the maintenance part of a project, where there aren't always clear starts and stops |
| 23:46.41 | macnewbold | having the right work for the right people at the right time is always an issue you have to watch out for |
| 23:46.50 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 23:47.13 | macnewbold | mgeary: right, that often turns into something like bi-weekly or monthly payments, perhaps with a retainer or something |
| 23:48.20 | Lone_Wanderer | okay, another question. on what basis do you compete with other web dev companies? |
| 23:48.33 | Lone_Wanderer | i.e. "Our people are more talented", "We have better rates", etc. |
| 23:48.53 | mgeary | i'm better looking than macnewbold |
| 23:49.02 | mgeary | that gets us all kinds of business |
| 23:49.41 | macnewbold | looks matter, believe it or not |
| 23:49.50 | Lone_Wanderer | I believe it |
| 23:49.51 | macnewbold | i got the short end of the looks stick though |
| 23:49.55 | Lone_Wanderer | it's why there are so many ugly people in the Army |
| 23:49.57 | mgeary | hahaha |
| 23:50.13 | Lone_Wanderer | they're not successful in other areas, so they join the military |
| 23:50.14 | mgeary | i'd say that really it's mostly about the relationship |
| 23:50.45 | mgeary | we don't have any sort of sales/marketing operation |
| 23:50.48 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm starting to think more seriously about the open binder project |
| 23:50.52 | mgeary | all our work is by networking/referral |
| 23:51.13 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, I haven't met or even really heard of a web dev company that has a sales team |
| 23:52.23 | Lone_Wanderer | the open binder thing is... well |
| 23:53.10 | Lone_Wanderer | two things first - one, open source software works for businesses, and is a good investment for businesses because it provides things that nobody competes based on any more |
| 23:53.53 | Lone_Wanderer | like web servers. everyone has the same web server. nobody says "You should buy from us because we bought Newfangled Web Server 2.0 and our competitors are still using 0.9" |
| 23:54.55 | Lone_Wanderer | so if your employees are contributing to the Apache project in their spare time (or even on company time) it doesn't matter because it benefits everyone equally |
| 23:55.41 | Lone_Wanderer | second, in Snow Crash, there's a part about how franchises can be thought of like living organisms whose DNA is in a 3-ring binder |
| 23:55.54 | Lone_Wanderer | franchises with better DNA live, those that suck die off |
| 23:56.20 | Lone_Wanderer | when you start a franchise, you buy the 3-ring binder that tells you exactly how to do everything, down to where on the counter to put the pizza sauce ladle when you're not using it |
| 23:56.39 | Lone_Wanderer | so I'm thinking, why not start a 3-ring binder like that for web dev companies, and make it open source |
| 23:56.57 | Lone_Wanderer | my guess is that most web dev companies compete based on the talent of their employees, and the quality of their past work |
| 23:57.37 | Lone_Wanderer | so sharing things (like how to bill customers so you don't get ripped off) with other web dev companies wouldn't hurt |
