IRC log for #uphpu on 20091113

`00:08.24`	`mindjuju`	`the video is pretty cool so far`
`00:08.29`	`mindjuju`	`reminds me of streets of fire`
`00:53.34`	`Utah_Dave`	`mindjuju: I got up early to go chill on Waikiki beach this morning. I was the only one on the entire beach. It was awesome`
`00:53.53`	`mindjuju`	`~fart Waikiki beach`
`00:53.54`	`ibot`	`ACTION farts in Waikiki beach's general direction`
`00:54.09`	`mindjuju`	`it should get there by the time you go back utah_dave`
`00:54.46`	`Utah_Dave`	`:) thanks, mindjuju.`
`00:55.01`	`mindjuju`	`i'm here for ya bro`
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`02:04.40`	`utahcon`	`hey DexterTheDragon`
`02:04.42`	`utahcon`	`I see you!`
`02:05.52`	`DexterTheDragon`	`~lart utahcon`
`02:05.52`	`ibot`	`shoots utahcon in the head`
`02:06.37`	`DexterTheDragon`	`~revive utahcon`
`02:06.38`	`ibot`	`ACTION performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive utahcon`
`02:06.53`	`utahcon`	`~hug DexterTheDragon`
`02:06.54`	`ibot`	`ACTION hugs DexterTheDragon tightly until DexterTheDragon turns slightly blue`
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`02:29.35`	`utahcon`	`shut up DexterTheDragon !!! you so damned loud!`
`02:29.54`	`DexterTheDragon`	`~language utahcon`
`02:29.55`	`ibot`	`ACTION grabs utahcon by the ear and washes utahcon's mouth out with soap`
`02:30.07`	`utahcon`	`my language is fine... damnit`
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`02:43.29`	`herlo`	`~damn`
`02:43.38`	`herlo`	`~kill DtD`
`02:43.39`	`ibot`	`ACTION shoots a hyper-charged fluxmeson gun at DtD`
`02:43.50`	`herlo`	`because DtD is dumb`
`02:44.22`	`DexterTheDragon`	`~mean herlo`
`02:44.22`	`ibot`	`ACTION thinks herlo is mean :(`
`02:44.47`	`utahcon`	`meany`
`02:44.52`	`herlo`	`~thump utahcon`
`02:44.53`	`ibot`	`ACTION thumps utahcon in the ear with a brick!`
`02:44.59`	`beandog`	`lol`
`02:45.01`	`herlo`	`~simpsons DexterTheDragon`
`02:45.02`	`ibot`	`ACTION sends DexterTheDragon chasing a rolling pink donut down the hill screaming, "its still good!, its still good!"`
`02:45.02`	`utahcon`	`~shoot herlo`
`02:45.02`	`ibot`	`ACTION shoots herlo in the head with a phase pistol!`
`02:45.02`	`beandog`	`thats a nice one`
`02:45.12`	`herlo`	`got mine in first :)`
`02:45.15`	`DexterTheDragon`	`~bdit beandog`
`02:45.26`	`beandog`	`hey now`
`02:45.30`	`beandog`	`I'm just an innocent commentor`
`02:45.32`	`DexterTheDragon`	`~bdhit beandog`
`02:45.33`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps the diviner's tin avalanche on beandog`
`02:45.37`	`DexterTheDragon`	`missed a letter`
`02:46.11`	`utahcon`	`rampant!`
`02:46.16`	`utahcon`	`RAMPANT!`
`02:46.25`	`herlo`	`~cook beandog`
`02:46.26`	`ibot`	`ACTION throws beandog in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks beandog on 350 for an hour`
`02:46.42`	`DexterTheDragon`	`~stop rampantViolence`
`02:46.42`	`ibot`	`ACTION leaps to his feet and stops rampantViolence`
`02:46.55`	`rampantViolence`	`being rampant`
`02:47.03`	`herlo`	`~whalepoop utahcon`
`02:47.04`	`ibot`	`ACTION catapults a truckload of whale poop from a freakishly large killer whale named Hugh at utahcon`
`02:47.31`	`beandog`	`LMAO`
`02:47.32`	`utahcon`	`damnit... I tried ~whale this morning and it was a no go... forgot poop`
`02:47.37`	`beandog`	`that is awesome`
`02:47.43`	`utahcon`	`~shotgun DexterTheDragon`
`02:47.44`	`ibot`	`ACTION holds a shotgun to DexterTheDragon's head as he forces DexterTheDragon to marry the woman of DexterTheDragon's familiy's choosing`
`02:47.51`	`utahcon`	`!timebome DexterTheDragon`
`02:47.56`	`utahcon`	`!timebomb DexterTheDragon`
`02:48.04`	`DexterTheDragon`	`~fail utahcon`
`02:48.05`	`ibot`	`utahcon: FAIL!`
`02:48.05`	`utahcon`	`stupid bot`
`02:53.12`	`beandog`	`so you still live with your mom?`
`02:54.47`	`utahcon`	`yeah, want me to tell her something?`
`02:54.53`	`utahcon`	`your mom is there too, I was chatting her up too`
`02:54.55`	`utahcon`	`;)`
`02:54.59`	`utahcon`	`I am going to be your new dad!`
`02:55.45`	`beandog`	`eeek`
`02:55.50`	`herlo`	`your mom is hot`
`02:56.00`	`utahcon`	`really?`
`02:56.03`	`utahcon`	`w00t!`
`02:56.07`	`herlo`	`utahcon: eiffel tower`
`02:56.12`	`herlo`	`utahcon: not your mom, beandogs mom`
`02:56.29`	`utahcon`	`I knew you didnt mean my mom`
`02:56.45`	`utahcon`	`I was hoping it was beandog's mom, I am going to be beandog's new daddy... yeah eiffel tower... :D`
`02:56.57`	`herlo`	`w00t!`
`02:57.04`	`beandog`	`utahcon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaW8smV6FRM`
`02:57.04`	`utahcon`	`dave askes hard questions`
`02:57.23`	`utahcon`	`that would be awesome... IF I HAD SOUND!`
`02:57.37`	`herlo`	`oh!`
`02:57.42`	`beandog`	`your mom doesn't love you enough to give you speakers`
`02:57.48`	`utahcon`	`I know a kid who is his Grandfather's Cousin`
`02:57.53`	`utahcon`	`or something sick like that`
`02:57.55`	`utahcon`	`but for real`
`02:58.02`	`utahcon`	`not your Jerry Springer stuff`
`02:58.02`	`herlo`	`fer reals!`
`02:58.08`	`herlo`	`wow!`
`02:58.20`	`utahcon`	`beandog: I had speakers... then I opened my lappy and broke the sound card... or something`
`02:58.35`	`utahcon`	`some day I will again have sound, probably when I get a new lappy`
`02:58.41`	`utahcon`	`yes for reals`
`02:58.55`	`beandog`	`utahcon: how does tha happen?`
`02:59.09`	`beandog`	`actually I dont want to know`
`02:59.38`	`utahcon`	`lisp is for lusters`
`02:59.43`	`utahcon`	`hmmm... long U on that`
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`03:00.23`	`utahcon`	`beandog: I used to know... it was years ago he told me... and I don't care enough to recall`
`03:00.24`	`beandog`	`loosters?`
`03:00.27`	`utahcon`	`my memory is limited`
`03:00.30`	`utahcon`	`yeah`
`03:00.33`	`utahcon`	`loostuers`
`03:00.35`	`beandog`	`utahcon: probably as a defense mechanism`
`03:00.39`	`utahcon`	`whereever that u came from`
`03:01.12`	`utahcon`	`if I ever need to date again I am buying a russian mail order bride...`
`03:01.13`	`utahcon`	`no really`
`03:01.20`	`utahcon`	`or moving to tahiti`
`03:02.04`	`utahcon`	`or... finding Marrissa Mayer (spelling?) cause she is hot in this pic http://www.glamour.com/women-of-the-year/2009/marissa-mayer`
`03:02.13`	`utahcon`	`apparently 1 r`
`03:02.15`	`utahcon`	`oh well`
`03:02.46`	`utahcon`	`she is freaking hot... and a geek~`
`03:02.50`	`utahcon`	`but like a real geek`
`03:02.58`	`utahcon`	`gaming and coding and ... she is HOT!`
`03:03.11`	`utahcon`	`almost Lucer Pinder hot`
`03:03.28`	`utahcon`	`don't google that if you are at work, and your org has the letters LDS in the title`
`03:06.51`	`utahcon`	`cro!!!!!!!!!!`
`03:06.55`	`utahcon`	`oh wait... 1`
`03:06.55`	`utahcon`	`nm`
`03:07.36`	`utahcon`	`utos whoring... it's hot!`
`03:07.57`	`DexterTheDragon`	`~flood utahcon`
`03:07.58`	`ibot`	`ACTION blasts utahcon with a huge firehose then strangles utahcon with it`
`03:08.07`	`utahcon`	`I am flooding`
`03:08.09`	`utahcon`	`cause the rest of you are freaking`
`03:08.12`	`utahcon`	`quiet and not talking`
`03:08.15`	`utahcon`	`and being lame`
`03:08.17`	`utahcon`	`and not talking`
`03:08.19`	`utahcon`	`and stuff`
`03:08.33`	`utahcon`	`~lart DexterTheDragon`
`03:08.33`	`ibot`	`whips out a sword and chops DexterTheDragon in half`
`03:08.45`	`utahcon`	`~sew DexterTheDragon`
`03:08.49`	`DexterTheDragon`	`now there's two of me!`
`03:08.57`	`utahcon`	`do you regen like worms?`
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`03:50.20`	`beandog`	`whut`
`03:50.22`	`beandog`	`Im hacking`
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`06:50.45`	`hTrevyn`	`anyone up?`
`06:51.14`	`hTrevyn`	`I need a way to create a list of date modified of folders in a directory`
`07:15.56`	`mgeary`	`i'm up`
`07:16.07`	`mgeary`	`sure`
`07:16.27`	`mgeary`	`http://www.php.net/manual/en/class.directoryiterator.php`
`07:16.34`	`mgeary`	`that's your baby`
`07:16.53`	`mgeary`	`set up a directory iterator, and pull the getMtime() from each subfolder`
`07:19.17`	`mgeary`	`hTrevyn: ^^`
`07:20.41`	`hTrevyn`	`mgeary: just parsed a dir listing`
`07:20.42`	`hTrevyn`	`thanks`
`07:20.56`	`mgeary`	`you mean a command line "ls -al" ? ugh`
`07:21.14`	`mgeary`	`but whatever works`
`07:21.25`	`hTrevyn`	`yeah it had a few thousand files`
`07:21.38`	`hTrevyn`	`wanted to write it to a file`
`07:21.51`	`mgeary`	`what, just the directory listing?`
`07:22.06`	`hTrevyn`	`yeah with date modified`
`07:22.13`	`mgeary`	`you didn't need php for that`
`07:22.13`	`hTrevyn`	`clean so I can run a query against it`
`07:22.25`	`hTrevyn`	`yeah I was hoping to get a ls -l pused to a text file`
`07:22.36`	`hTrevyn`	`but I just enabled directlry listing`
`07:22.37`	`hTrevyn`	`cut and paste`
`07:22.41`	`mgeary`	`ls -l > somefile.txt`
`07:22.46`	`hTrevyn`	`and did some clean up with search and replace in my text editor`
`07:22.50`	`mgeary`	`ah well`
`07:22.56`	`hTrevyn`	`mgeary: yeah tat would hae worke d:)`
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`15:33.24`	`*** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Meeting this Thursday @7pm @billgood - Velda Harper Christensen (supernovia) - Methods for Mockups: A Geek's Guide to Design \| Utah PHP Users Group \| uphpu.org`
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`15:59.39`	`mindjuju`	`thx wps`
`16:00.47`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Sweet, I love the book drive mindjuju.`
`16:00.54`	`mindjuju`	`:)`
`16:01.33`	`mindjuju`	`i think it'll be good to have, plus, I'm going to be showing a needy person web programming and he needs a book very special circumstance`
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`16:01.57`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`ahh okay`
`16:02.14`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`I think we should have a UPHPU Mentoring Program`
`16:02.30`	`mindjuju`	`funny you say that, i was thinking that on the way home from uPython`
`16:02.44`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Or just a Utah Programmers Mentoring Program. UPMP.`
`16:02.55`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`'cause personally I think Python is a better first language to learn than PHP.`
`16:03.08`	`mgeary`	`but after learning python, why would you learn PHP? ;P`
`16:03.15`	`mindjuju`	`blasphemy!`
`16:03.35`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`You can pretend it means Utah PHP Mentor's Program if you want ;)`
`16:03.57`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`awww man, my stuff isn't set up yet. I need to put my calendar back in place and all that jazz.`
`16:07.00`	`mindjuju`	`hey as a quick side note, anybody with old star wars toys, i'm looking`
`16:07.10`	`mindjuju`	`can't pay bank, but will be fair`
`16:07.34`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`also, tomorrow is my BIRTHDAY!`
`16:07.41`	`mindjuju`	`i know!`
`16:07.47`	`mindjuju`	`(it's on FB)`
`16:07.57`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Sweet, it's still reminding everyone?`
`16:08.04`	`mindjuju`	`was going to say something on FB`
`16:08.07`	`mindjuju`	`but good to say here too!`
`16:08.22`	`mindjuju`	`~spank Lone_Wanderer`
`16:08.23`	`ibot`	`ACTION bends Lone_Wanderer over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on Lone_Wanderer's pasty white buttocks.`
`16:08.23`	`herlo`	`Lone_Wanderer: mine is on Sunday`
`16:08.41`	`mindjuju`	`~spank herlo`
`16:08.42`	`ibot`	`ACTION bends herlo over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on herlo's pasty white buttocks.`
`16:08.42`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`hey, my... okay maybe white`
`16:08.50`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`herlo: you LDS?`
`16:09.20`	`mindjuju`	`i think he's on LSD`
`16:09.25`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`domain registration... godaddy?`
`16:09.58`	`mgeary`	`Lone_Wanderer: that's what i use, though i do have my beefs with them`
`16:10.07`	`mgeary`	`but i've got about 380 domains there`
`16:10.08`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`k`
`16:11.14`	`herlo`	`Lone_Wanderer: no`
`16:11.30`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Do you enjoy consuming boozeahol?`
`16:13.47`	`herlo`	`Lone_Wanderer: on occasion`
`16:19.35`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`okay, wow`
`16:19.47`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`they're trying to sell me all this extra crap, and apparently something called SmartSpace is required`
`16:21.14`	`mgeary`	`psh`
`16:21.16`	`mgeary`	`nothing is required`
`16:21.28`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`ahh, I see. it's trickery and falsehoods.`
`16:23.05`	`mgeary`	`as is most of life`
`16:23.24`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Indeed.`
`16:23.45`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`okay, upmp.org registered`
`16:31.03`	`herlo`	`hey, can you guys pastebin back something for me?`
`16:31.11`	`herlo`	`the results of the command dig www.departmentofgoods.com @4.2.2.2`
`16:31.44`	`mgeary`	`http://dpaste.com/120074/`
`16:31.58`	`herlo`	`mgeary: thx, as I expected`
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`16:50.17`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Okay, it's only 10 am, why am I hungry?`
`16:50.35`	`carmony`	`because....`
`16:50.38`	`carmony`	`I dunno`
`16:50.39`	`carmony`	`:P`
`16:50.42`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`I didn't eat enough for breakfast, obviously.`
`16:51.01`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Next time it's six eggs, a full pound of bacon, and two bowls of oatmeal.`
`16:51.15`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`That should last at least until lunch.`
`16:54.54`	`fungus`	`wow, who has that much time in the morning to make all that stuff.`
`16:55.22`	`fungus`	`I only have time to grab a coke on my way out the door.`
`16:56.08`	`unum`	`me too, and I don't have to be to work until 10am`
`16:57.06`	`SunSparc`	`It does not take long to make that much.`
`16:57.30`	`unum`	`I grab yogurt and bananas`
`16:57.37`	`unum`	`I wake up at 9:30am`
`16:57.41`	`SunSparc`	`heh`
`16:57.46`	`SunSparc`	`That probably does not help`
`17:00.57`	`mgeary`	`Honeycomb's big, yeah yeah yeah, it's not small, no no no`
`17:01.04`	`herlo`	`fungus: coke is people!!`
`17:02.49`	`fungus`	`cool. I always wanted to try cannibalism`
`17:04.51`	`unum`	`if I wake up at 9:30am I can shower for 15 minutes(I like long showers) and be out the door by 9:50am and at work at 10:00am`
`17:05.00`	`unum`	`no time to make anything`
`17:05.03`	`mgeary`	`how can it possibly be that people still think you're supposed to put 2 spaces after a period when writing on a computer?`
`17:05.20`	`unum`	`wordperfect tells them to`
`17:05.27`	`mgeary`	`i don't think it does`
`17:05.35`	`unum`	`for the 5 people that use wordperfect`
`17:09.14`	`unum`	`I think it used to`
`17:09.52`	`mgeary`	`two spaces after a period died with the introduction of non-monospaced fonts`
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`17:11.36`	`justincarmony`	`ok....`
`17:11.43`	`mgeary`	`~beat SunSparc with a stick`
`17:11.44`	`ibot`	`ACTION beats SunSparc with a stick with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish`
`17:11.50`	`mgeary`	`bah`
`17:12.09`	`justincarmony`	`one annoying thing with Windows &`
`17:12.11`	`justincarmony`	`7`
`17:12.15`	`mgeary`	`"one"...?`
`17:12.21`	`justincarmony`	`is I somehow just closed mIRC on accidently`
`17:12.27`	`justincarmony`	`no idea how i did it`
`17:13.03`	`SunSparc`	`heh, one of many`
`17:15.57`	`carmony`	`lol`
`17:16.04`	`carmony`	`it didn't close it`
`17:16.07`	`carmony`	`it like uber hid it`
`17:42.05`	`macnewbold`	`doh - meeting on thursday by supernovia and I can't come... Why do they have to put the Pinewood Derby on UPHPU night`
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`18:11.43`	`DexterTheDragon`	`~rlart`
`18:11.44`	`ibot`	`hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at DexterTheDragon`
`18:11.55`	`DexterTheDragon`	`backfire`
`18:12.16`	`mgeary`	`wow, that's an awesome lart, though`
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`18:12.45`	`cro`	`yup, made me hurl.`
`18:13.00`	`DexterTheDragon`	`~blame utahcon`
`18:13.01`	`ibot`	`ACTION blames utahcon (and Canada) for all the evil in the world`
`18:15.06`	`itimber`	`hello guys`
`18:32.00`	`utahcon`	`it's all my fault`
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`18:35.50`	`mindjuju`	`~apb herlo`
`18:35.51`	`ibot`	`ACTION hires Duane Lee to rough up herlo`
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`19:49.08`	`mindjuju`	`wow, google bought gizmo5 yesterday`
`19:49.39`	`mindjuju`	`and said today that in about a year, you'll be able to punt MS Office in favor of google docs`
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`19:50.16`	`mindjuju`	`with the exception of math`
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`20:06.05`	`carmony`	`LOL`
`20:06.08`	`carmony`	`I can't say much`
`20:06.12`	`carmony`	`but I bet Google overpaid`
`20:10.02`	`mindjuju`	`this is too funny, i've prolly received 10 emails today with "early" black friday notices`
`20:10.27`	`mindjuju`	`i told a fellow coworker here there was no way retailers were going to wait til that friday to run special sales`
`20:11.10`	`carmony`	`well, old owner`
`20:11.29`	`mindjuju`	`i'd be friends with him long enough to get you a steak dinner, then dump him`
`20:11.57`	`mindjuju`	`zoinks! a 1k watt power supply, $100`
`20:12.00`	`mindjuju`	`that's cheap!`
`20:14.26`	`Utah_Dave`	`google bought Gizmo5?`
`20:14.37`	`mindjuju`	`yup`
`20:14.52`	`romanovic`	`wait, when did this happen?`
`20:14.59`	`mindjuju`	`http://googlevoiceblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/google-welcomes-gizmo5.html`
`20:15.03`	`mindjuju`	`it happened yesterday`
`20:15.17`	`romanovic`	`thx`
`20:15.39`	`mindjuju`	`yup, here isn another article http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/182136/google_puts_voice_on_steroids_with_gizmo5.html`
`20:17.11`	`Utah_Dave`	`interesting`
`20:17.44`	`mindjuju`	`so for those of us that aren't as VOIP-savvy utah_dave, what about it is interesting to you?`
`20:18.26`	`romanovic`	`it always kind of annoyed me that to make google voice calls from pc, you had to get a 3rd party app...`
`20:18.45`	`romanovic`	`and gizmo5 was the only option, as far as i could tell`
`20:19.14`	`mindjuju`	`you know, now that you mention it, i do remember downloading gizmo5 but i never got it connected with voice`
`20:19.19`	`mindjuju`	`though that is what i had intended to do`
`20:20.44`	`mindjuju`	`this is interesting`
`20:20.45`	`mindjuju`	`Khan also makes an important observation about Gizmo5 versus Skype--open standards. Unlike Skype, the Gizmo5 VoIP service is built on the industry standard SIP (session initiation protocol) protocol. That opens the door for Google to also roll the capabilities of the Gizmo5-enabled Google Voice into the Google Wave product and transform it into a more comprehensive unified communications competitor.`
`20:20.56`	`mindjuju`	`might lend feature and function to google wave`
`20:20.57`	`Utah_Dave`	`Yeah, I've used Gizmo5 on occasion because of it's integration with Google Voice. You can also use it to connect to an Asterisk server. I also have an incoming number for it`
`20:21.42`	`Utah_Dave`	`Hopefully that means Google Voice will support direct SIP connections`
`20:21.58`	`mindjuju`	`that's what pcworld is thinking, about sip`
`20:22.23`	`mindjuju`	`i wonder how that plays into google chrome os that we're suppose to be able to download next week?`
`20:23.00`	`Utah_Dave`	`It would be really nice to be able to use google voice with asterisk easily. Right now it's a bit of a hack to get it working`
`20:24.43`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`okay, Vista is even dumber than I thought it was`
`20:24.49`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`I've got a printer here at home`
`20:24.57`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`left for a while, come back and plug the same printer in again`
`20:25.13`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Windows installs the same printer's drivers again and puts a (Copy 1) after the printer's name`
`20:25.43`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`now I have to use "HP LaserJet 1600 (Copy 1)" instead of "HP LaserJet 1600"`
`20:26.02`	`mindjuju`	`oh, i hate that, but you can rename it`
`20:26.19`	`mindjuju`	`rename back to what it was, and all the shares from neighboring computers won't blink`
`20:26.58`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`yeah, I did that`
`20:27.24`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`well, at least that wasn't a ginormous pain`
`20:28.14`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Now, back to the thread about a fight between the Pope, a bear, dolphins, a Griffin, or Nick Griffin`
`20:28.49`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`And by the Pope I mean "His Holiness the Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the State of Vatican City, Servant of the Servants of God"`
`20:32.04`	`mindjuju`	`wow, newegg early blackfriday IS good`
`20:32.18`	`mindjuju`	`alas, i'm broke`
`20:34.13`	`fungus`	`mindjuju, link?`
`20:34.30`	`mindjuju`	`darn, i just threw away the email`
`20:34.31`	`mindjuju`	`hang on`
`20:34.57`	`mindjuju`	`fungus - http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Nov-0-2009/Blackfriday13/index-landing.html?nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL111309&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL111309-_-email-_-E0-_-Black&cm_lm=vvilla@gmail.com`
`20:35.06`	`mindjuju`	`several of the things i checked on were sold out`
`20:35.07`	`fungus`	`sweet`
`20:35.46`	`mindjuju`	`good luck!`
`20:36.59`	`mindjuju`	`the KVM (USB) is gone and so is the web cams`
`20:37.14`	`mindjuju`	`well the one i checked`
`20:45.02`	`fungus`	`woot, i scored some wireless headphones.`
`20:49.49`	`itimber`	`I'm out... catch ya'll later`
`21:03.53`	`mgeary`	`i don't like wireless headphones`
`21:11.04`	`fungus`	`based on principle, or bad experience?`
`21:11.10`	`mgeary`	`bad experience`
`21:11.26`	`mgeary`	`...granted, gathered between 8 and 10 years ago`
`21:11.44`	`mgeary`	`but i hated burning through batteries, and i'd get staticy reception sometimes`
`21:11.44`	`fungus`	`makes sense. I hope technology has improved.`
`21:11.58`	`mgeary`	`i used rechargables for a while, and that helped`
`21:12.10`	`mgeary`	`but i've been wired for 7 years now with no regrets`
`21:12.48`	`fungus`	`i've tried some before and they sucked rocks. but they were $15 Big Lots headphones.`
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`22:04.49`	`stderr`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxa6P73Awcg`
`22:07.18`	`mgeary`	`hey all, how do you tell sendmail not to receive emails to <hostname>? I have a situation where a server with hostname xyz.com is trying to deliver to @xyz.com addresses locally, when they need to go to the server specified by the MX records`
`22:07.43`	`herlo`	`send it to /dev/null??`
`22:07.47`	`mgeary`	`no`
`22:07.51`	`herlo`	`or do you wanna reject?`
`22:08.03`	`mgeary`	`i want it to say, "gee, i'm not responsible for that domain..."`
`22:08.14`	`mgeary`	`i sort of know how to do it in postfix`
`22:08.18`	`herlo`	`yeah, you should have a list of hosts you accept for`
`22:08.30`	`mgeary`	`but i'd just as soon tweak one line of a config file and leave sendmail alone`
`22:08.39`	`herlo`	`mgeary: right...`
`22:09.38`	`mgeary`	`stderr: that's awesome`
`22:15.25`	`mgeary`	`fungus: do you have any insights into my sendmail issue?`
`22:16.48`	`mgeary`	dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`port=smtp,Addr=::1, Name=MTA-v6, Family=inet6')dnl
`22:16.53`	`mgeary`	`i think it has to do with that line`
`22:16.57`	`fungus`	`nope`
`22:17.05`	`fungus`	`that's just the network listening port`
`22:17.24`	`fungus`	`You are looking at modifying the class w`
`22:17.52`	`fungus`	`is your hostname of the machine really xyz.com? not server.xyz.com?`
`22:18.10`	`mgeary`	`it's currently xyz.com, and i didn't set that up`
`22:18.14`	`mgeary`	`Verio must have. it's a VPS`
`22:18.23`	`fungus`	`eww.`
`22:18.43`	`fungus`	`this command will show all the names that your server accepts mail for:`
`22:18.45`	`fungus`	`echo '$=w' \| sendmail -bt`
`22:19.22`	`mgeary`	`# echo '$=w' \| sendmail -bt`
`22:19.22`	`mgeary`	`bash: sendmail: command not found`
`22:19.42`	`fungus`	`then specify the path`
`22:19.53`	`fungus`	`echo '$=w' \| /usr/sbin/sendmail -bt`
`22:19.55`	`mgeary`	`righto, i see a list of domains`
`22:20.12`	`mgeary`	`i don't want any of them there, except perhaps "localhost" and "localhost.localdomain"`
`22:20.16`	`fungus`	`http://www.technoids.org/removew.html`
`22:20.25`	`mgeary`	`awesome`
`22:20.39`	`fungus`	`you might need the confDONT_PROBE_INTERFACES`
`22:21.17`	`fungus`	`or change the name of your server... :)`
`22:21.41`	`mgeary`	`okay, i've commented out the entries in local-host-names`
`22:21.45`	`mgeary`	`how do i refresh sendmail?`
`22:21.56`	`fungus`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:22.08`	`fungus`	`there are other ways, but that will for sure work`
`22:22.11`	`mgeary`	`okay`
`22:22.19`	`mgeary`	`that got rid of some of the domains, but not all`
`22:22.31`	`mgeary`	`2 more remain, where one is the hostname (xyz.com)`
`22:22.36`	`fungus`	`the probing interfaces is catching your servername`
`22:22.49`	`mgeary`	`what's the harm in changing my servername?`
`22:23.14`	`fungus`	`depends. do you have any tools/utilities/programs that depend on that name?`
`22:23.19`	`mgeary`	`nope`
`22:23.30`	`mgeary`	`not that i can think of`
`22:23.36`	`fungus`	`then it shouldn't be a problem, AFAIK`
`22:24.24`	`mgeary`	`how do i change it?`
`22:24.43`	`fungus`	`distro?`
`22:24.50`	`fungus`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:24.55`	`mgeary`	`Linux wp2dc.com 2.6.18-028stab056 #120090911 SMP Fri Sep 11 17:15:46 UTC 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux`
`22:25.11`	`mgeary`	`don't have an /etc/hostname`
`22:25.14`	`fungus`	`lsb_release -a`
`22:25.41`	`mgeary`	`command not found`
`22:25.52`	`fungus`	`cat /etc/*-release`
`22:26.08`	`mgeary`	`Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES release 4 (Nahant Update 4)`
`22:26.28`	`fungus`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:26.39`	`fungus`	`and /etc/hosts`
`22:27.55`	`mgeary`	`okay got the hosts one and that removed one other domain, now just xyz.com is left`
`22:28.11`	`mgeary`	`in /etc/sysconfig/ i have network-scripts/ and networking/`
`22:28.36`	`fungus`	`hmm, don't remember the redhat stuff there.`
`22:28.40`	`fungus`	`grep for it`
`22:28.51`	`fungus`	`grep -ir hostname /etc/sysconfig`
`22:29.28`	`mgeary`	`duh. i do have "network"`
`22:30.10`	`fungus`	`hehe`
`22:30.40`	`mgeary`	`okay, changed it to server.xyz.com`
`22:30.44`	`mgeary`	`how do i get it to refresh?`
`22:30.52`	`mgeary`	`tried /etc/init.d/network restart`
`22:30.55`	`mgeary`	`but that didn't change "hostname"`
`22:31.07`	`fungus`	reboot, or run `hostname server.xyz.com`
`22:31.27`	`mgeary`	`bingo`
`22:31.29`	`mgeary`	`thanks, dude`
`22:31.31`	`mgeary`	`~fungus++`
`22:31.38`	`fungus`	`~sendmail--`
`22:31.40`	`mgeary`	`amen`
`22:32.17`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`what's wrong with sendmail?`
`22:32.23`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`I mean... other than the obvious`
`22:32.25`	`fungus`	`it's a PITA`
`22:33.02`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`The Shadow's GCS runs Solaris and has Sendmail installed`
`22:33.06`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`I was surprised`
`22:33.18`	`fungus`	`cause Solaris comes pre-installed with sendmail`
`22:33.28`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`it hangs every time you boot the damn thing because they don't come with fully qualified hostnames`
`22:33.48`	`fungus`	`that's a bit annoying`
`22:33.51`	`fungus`	`:)`
`22:34.01`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`yeah it is but in the field they'll be on a taclan so it won't be a problem`
`22:34.28`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`the GCS is the ground control station for an unmanned aircraft - they stripped down the system pretty good, it doesn't even have "which"`
`22:34.40`	`fungus`	`wtf?`
`22:34.47`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`which part are you wtfing?`
`22:34.47`	`fungus`	`no which?`
`22:34.52`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`nope`
`22:34.56`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`it does have vi but not vim`
`22:35.13`	`fungus`	`I can understand stripping unneeded stuff, but which? why?`
`22:35.19`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`I didn't get much of a chance to poke around before I got yelled at for doing something people didn't understand`
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`22:35.52`	`fungus`	`understood, i wouldn't want to get yelled at by military people either.`
`22:36.06`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`heh, I don't mind`
`22:36.27`	`fungus`	`~welcome swb`
`22:36.28`	`ibot`	`Howdy, swb!`
`22:36.53`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`heya single white... oh wait, that doesn't work`
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`22:54.35`	`carmony`	`the web mistress?`
`22:55.49`	`thebigdog`	`mgeary: you get your sendmail issue fixed?`
`22:55.52`	`mgeary`	`i did, thanks`
`23:23.43`	`PoeticIntensity`	`yo, _psychic_, got another cake question...`
`23:23.54`	`PoeticIntensity`	`I'm working on form validation....`
`23:24.11`	`PoeticIntensity`	`and according to the docs, the error messages are just supposed to magically appear, when the data doesn't validate...`
`23:24.23`	`PoeticIntensity`	`For the life of me, I can't get any error messages to display...`
`23:24.30`	`_psychic_`	`they do only if you're using input()`
`23:24.31`	`PoeticIntensity`	`(automatically, that is)`
`23:24.34`	`PoeticIntensity`	`I am..`
`23:24.41`	`PoeticIntensity`	`$form->create() and such..`
`23:24.48`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`Apparently one of the soldiers who died at Ft. Hood is from West Jordan and his funeral tomorrow.`
`23:24.58`	`PoeticIntensity`	`I'm also using the Wizard component, so I'm not sure if that throws a wrench into it.`
`23:25.02`	`_psychic_`	`never heard of it`
`23:25.09`	`PoeticIntensity`	`one sec.`
`23:25.11`	`_psychic_`	`so it might :)`
`23:25.13`	`Lone_Wanderer`	`I didn't know him, but I'm considering going in uniform anyway. That wouldn't be inappropriate, would it?`
`23:25.23`	`PoeticIntensity`	`it's a multi-page form widget.`
`23:25.35`	`_psychic_`	`Lone_Wanderer: i doubt it`
`23:25.49`	`PoeticIntensity`	`http://bakery.cakephp.org/articles/view/wizard-component-1-2-1`
`23:27.01`	`_psychic_`	`pretty long`
`23:27.05`	`_psychic_`	`it could be breaking it yes`
`23:27.08`	`PoeticIntensity`	`yeah`
`23:27.12`	`_psychic_`	`you might try a simple cake only example`
`23:27.20`	`_psychic_`	`just to make sure your validation logic is firing okay`
`23:27.23`	`PoeticIntensity`	`yeah... I know that's working.`
`23:27.34`	`PoeticIntensity`	`after I put in the Wizard, it stopped..`
`23:27.39`	`PoeticIntensity`	`but not wholly...`
`23:27.53`	`_psychic_`	`I dunno how it works`
`23:27.54`	`PoeticIntensity`	`the forms still auto-re-populate, and refuse to go to the next page until everything validates...`
`23:28.04`	`PoeticIntensity`	`but no errors appear.`
`23:28.05`	`_psychic_`	`but you should still have hints in $this->ModelName->validationErrors`
`23:28.17`	`PoeticIntensity`	`ah.... ah ah .... that's what I needed.`
`23:28.31`	`PoeticIntensity`	`any good documents on how to set up proper validation error handling manually?`
`23:28.55`	`_psychic_`	`http://book.cakephp.org/view/125/Data-Validation`
`23:29.30`	`PoeticIntensity`	`heh... yeah... I've read that three times.`
`23:29.46`	`PoeticIntensity`	`validationErrors (or anything like it) don't seem to be there.`
`23:32.24`	`_psychic_`	`on the Model?`
`23:32.43`	`_psychic_`	`Is it a recent version of Cake?`
`23:33.41`	`PoeticIntensity`	`Yes... 1.2.5`
`23:33.50`	`_psychic_`	`It's there, just empty?`
`23:34.00`	`PoeticIntensity`	`_psychic_, well... I mean... it's not documented on that URL.`
`23:34.26`	`PoeticIntensity`	`and so far, everywhere I've tried to place the token, it's just coming up empty. I haven't tried in the model, though.`
`23:34.41`	`carmony`	`whew, at least in here the topic is based on the actual channel ;)`
`23:36.52`	`PoeticIntensity`	`okay.... _psychic_ I've got validationErrors displaying correctly now....`
`23:36.58`	`PoeticIntensity`	`and it is coming up with the correct error.`
`23:37.02`	`PoeticIntensity`	`it's just not displaying on the page.`
`23:38.56`	`PoeticIntensity`	`learning a new framework is hard enough... I don't wanna learn a new language too.`
`23:38.57`	`_psychic_`	`I'm sure django does it just as well or better`
`23:38.57`	`PoeticIntensity`	`(yet)`
`23:39.01`	`_psychic_`	`but this is a learning curve thing`
`23:39.04`	`PoeticIntensity`	`yup.`
`23:39.12`	`mgeary`	`yeah`
`23:39.13`	`_psychic_`	`so trying something new might actually be worse :)`
`23:39.22`	`_psychic_`	`PoeticIntensity: paste your view somewhere so I can see it?`
`23:39.25`	`mgeary`	`i'm just disillusioned with PHP`
`23:39.27`	`PoeticIntensity`	`sure.`
`23:40.39`	`PoeticIntensity`	`_psychic_, PM sent`
`23:40.52`	`_psychic_`	`yeah we'll take our PHP talk elsewhere`
`23:40.55`	`_psychic_`	`;)`
`23:41.39`	`mgeary`	`hahah`
`23:41.44`	`mgeary`	`that'll show me`
`23:52.19`	`carmony`	`lol`

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