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10:45.03flux|wYo?
10:45.29flux|wLooking for a fairly detailed web reference on MySQL.
10:45.50flux|wAny personal recommendations?
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14:20.30mindjujufor those of you who like jam on your toast, your eggs scrambled and your music freakin' awesome - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBbasXXtrXw
14:23.34mindjuju90% probability stderr won't like (music repeats ever 5 seconds)
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14:41.16Utah_DaveAh, finally back in town
14:41.39mindjuju~tunafart utah_dave
14:41.40ibotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to utah_dave, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
14:41.43mindjujuwelcome back
14:43.59Utah_DaveThanks, mindjuju. Nice to be welcomed home with a good old tuna fart from mindjuju
14:44.44mindjuju:)
14:44.48mindjujuwhere ya been?
14:50.32jsmithmindjuju: Just FYI, I did my annual hike in Shenandoah and then ate at Popeye's, just to make you jealous :-p
14:50.44jsmith(How's that for a Monday greeting?)
14:51.06mindjujui'm jealous
14:51.31mindjujudon't desert scrub brush
15:00.13Utah_Davemindjuju: San Diego
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15:03.45mindjujuugh!
15:03.53mindjujuk, im' stuck and don't know what to do
15:04.02mindjujuso i'm trying to make a gpg key
15:04.15mindjujuso i'm all,
15:04.15mindjujugpg --gen-key
15:04.25mindjujuand it's gets going and i'm answering the questions
15:04.41mindjujuthen it gets to this part where it is all
15:04.42mindjujuNot enough random bytes available.  Please do some other work to give
15:04.42mindjujuthe OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 283 more bytes)
15:04.58mindjujuk, so i type a half of scren full of garbage and it still does nothing
15:05.02mindjujuit's just sitting there
15:05.36mindjujuhow do i tell it i'm doing typing in psuedo-random keys and for it to finish up?
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15:29.10mindjujuah yes, dexterthedragon knows what up with the musicz!
15:32.21carmonygoooooooooooooood morning! :)
15:33.17mgearyMickey Mouse says hello to all
15:37.54mindjujuso mgeary, got ot ask ya a question
15:38.01mgearysure
15:38.17mindjujuclients upload to us sensitive information
15:38.30mindjujuso for compliance purposes i need to develop a system that handles it securely
15:38.40mindjujuso, they'll SSL http file upload to us
15:38.49mindjujuonce to the server, it gets the GPG treatment
15:39.10mindjujuprivate key is kept off the server
15:39.20mindjujuthe key is kept internal on a strict "need to konw basis"
15:39.29mindjujuk, that's all great and happy
15:39.35mindjujunow the monkey in the wrench
15:40.12mindjujuhow do the clients unlock files we send to them?
15:40.31mindjujuquick clarification on the rule requiring encryption
15:40.35mgearyhave them log in via ssl and download the file
15:40.39mindjujusensitive file at rest must be encrypted
15:42.47mindjujuclient (no key)<-------SSL---->Server,file is GPG (per compliance as it is at rest)<------SSL------->CSR(with key),
15:43.04fungusmindjuju: if the "client" is saavy enough to use gpg (there are windows gui tools too) then you can encrypt it with both public keys (clients, and your own)
15:43.46mgearymindjuju: what kind of file(s) are these?
15:43.59mindjuju.mdb, .xls, .zip
15:44.20mindjujuranging from 1mb --> 150mb
15:44.52mindjujufungus, two way key sounds awesome, but these guys aren't tech literate, i can't mandate they install anything
15:45.18mindjujui guess i'll have to leave the private key at the server and decrypt the file prior to them downloading
15:45.19fungusyeah, that's what I was worried about.
15:45.52mindjujui wonder what the encoding / decoding time is goign to look like
15:46.36fungusit probably won't be that big of a deal.
15:48.09fungusfor a 150MB file, 3.3 seconds to encrypt.
15:48.15mindjujuoh cool!
15:48.29fungus10s to decrypt, including prompt to overwrite.
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15:48.59fungus5s w/o prompting
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15:59.01mindjujui got this link from utahcon on #utos, this vid is awesome and a must view - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDj7DuHVV9E
16:24.24carmonyhahahaha, awesome mindjuju
16:44.56mindjujuhmm, i have the man page open on tail, but i don't see how to audit a file realtime using tail
16:45.11mindjujuoh wait, is it -f ?
16:45.15fungusyes
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16:52.58fungusfyi, tail -f /dev/zero is a bad idea
16:54.16mindjujunot sure what that means
16:56.31beandogfungus, heh
16:56.38fungusdon't do it.
16:56.52fungusit runs so fast you can't even kill it.
16:57.22beandogpkill -u fungus
16:57.35beandognow I wanna try it
16:57.38fungusheh, can't even type.
17:16.12carmonyok, for all you Sys Admins out there... does this look like it would be worth it? https://www.layeredtech.com/managed-services/defcon/# I'm looking at level 3
17:17.33carmonywhat do you think of this fungus ^^
17:17.42carmonyfor a company who doesnt' employ a sys admin, on a developer :P
17:17.46carmonyonly*
17:18.11DexterTheDragonI hate having a sysadmin on me
17:20.05beandogI hate pages that pop up those stupid live chat things before youve even been able to read the title
17:20.29carmonylol
17:23.17funguscarmony: not a bad idea
17:24.12carmonyI think the hardware/resource/service monitoring, plus the ability to have montly security inspections, would be nice :P
17:25.26funguspackage updates and 24x7 support too
17:25.34carmonyyup
17:26.05eggyknapmindjuju: So did an answer ever come out about "How much data does it take before it's called 'big'?" :)
17:26.22carmony100TB!
17:27.08fungusa db table is big at 10G IMHO
17:27.47fungusThat's about the point where backups and other maintenance becomes non-trivial
17:28.16carmonythats a resonable assessment
17:28.30eggyknapThe question came up in conversation, and I felt like taking a poll. I think I agree w/ fungus
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18:02.48beandogI wanna go watch a movie
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18:03.00stderrsaw Zombieland this weekend.  It was fantastic.
18:03.12beandogyah?
18:03.14beandoglooks hilarious
18:05.09stderrit is
18:07.04beandogokay, time to break X.  brb, I hope
18:27.28mindjujui love that microsoft's new focus is security, the list of their products on this list have gone down!  - http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/bulletins/SB09-292.html
18:33.14fungusthat's down?  holy crap that's a ton
18:33.45mindjujufungus, twas just joking
18:33.47mindjuju:)
18:33.53mindjujuit is a ton!
18:34.02fungushehe
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18:54.56beandogwell, that wasn't as easy or as hard as I expected.
19:00.26beandogbut it works.
19:02.34mindjujuwhat was?
19:28.16mgearychildbirth
19:33.03mindjujumy thoughts on birth exactly... i was there, seemed relatively simple enough
19:33.12mindjujuwhat's the big deal?
19:35.45macnewboldokay, this is going to make some people cringe, but...
19:35.59macnewbolddoes anyone know (or know someone good who knows) a lot about OSCommerce?
19:36.25macnewboldpotential client is asking us for a bid to make changes to their OSCommerce system, but I don't know it nor do I want to learn it,
19:36.39macnewboldand due to the learning curve, our price would probably be higher than they'd be able to handle anyway
19:36.55macnewboldbut we'd like to be able to send them somewhere for help, hopefully somewhere that someone we trust can recommend.
19:37.05macnewboldapparently they've spent $7K in india on it already...
19:37.33mgearyheh
19:37.49mgearyand they think that $7k should somehow count as a credit at the shop that ends up fixing all the problems
19:37.53mgearyi've been there before
19:37.57mgearyseveral times
19:38.32mgearymy experience suggests it's going to cost at least $7k to fix, based on what you've just said
19:38.43mindjujui was going to say, it seemed like you've mentioned oscommerce once or twice mgeary
19:38.45mgearyand somehow that's going to end up being the fault of whoever fixes it
19:39.25mgearymy philosophy on OSS is this: if you can use it as-is, within end-user-configurable parameters, then great
19:39.34mgearyif you have to touch the source, forget it
19:41.01mgearyall the PHP OSS source code i've ever looked at was something i wouldn't touch with a 50-foot stick
19:43.52carmonythere are a lot of bad ones out there
19:44.00carmonyshopping carts are really hard
19:44.35carmonythe concept is easy, but there are sooooo many special cases that it makes the actual execution extremely difficult
20:09.07macnewboldso, in short, they're screwed. but who should I send them to for some OSCommerce work?
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20:49.48redroyewww... rm -rf oscommerce
20:51.06redroyThey'd be better off to put all money to a new solution... oscommerce will give them nothing but trouble (forever)
21:02.44beandogright here in river city
21:04.13macnewboldwith a capital T and that rhymes with P and that stands for PHP
21:06.34beandogoh wait, that's not brass.
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21:30.17fungus~karma ie
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21:30.32SunSparc:)
21:30.40SunSparcAlways makes me happy to see that.
21:31.31DexterTheDragonwell we worked hard on it
22:00.46utahconyeah we did
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22:03.13herloutahcon: it's lynx
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22:04.41herloutahcon: be nice
22:04.55herlono you odn't
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22:07.18wpsI have an SVN question
22:07.21wpssay you delete a file
22:07.28wpsand then you want to restore it
22:07.42wpsI believe that 'svn update -r ## filename' is the best method
22:07.53wpsthat requires you to have the rev number of the commit when it was removed
22:08.06DexterTheDragonhttp://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/ch04s04.html#svn-ch-4-sect-4.3
22:08.09wpsI have in my notes that you can use 'svn log filename' even on deleted files
22:08.13wpsbut it isn't working
22:09.20wpsah… so you can't do it on the file
22:09.38wpsyou have to be in the parent dir, get a verbose log, and then manually scan through the commits to find the revision
22:09.40wpsthanks, DexterTheDragon
22:10.41tierraI believe you can use peg revisions for that
22:10.52wpspeg revisions?
22:11.23tierrahttp://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.5/svn.advanced.pegrevs.html
22:11.45tierraso you can still grab the log of a path even after it's been removed
22:11.54tierra(or removed, and re-added as something else even)
22:12.03wpsthanks… reading…
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23:28.33mgearyfungus: you around?

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