IRC log for #uphpu on 20091015

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07:07.05influxahoy ahoy
07:07.27influxAnyone alive in here?
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09:20.49influxpolo
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11:13.38influxVery well then.
11:13.43influxAdios, php aficionados.
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16:04.54SunSparchttp://i41.tinypic.com/1h9jxd.jpg
16:05.37justincarmonylol
16:33.01SunSparc:)
16:47.09unumso do any of you have a css library you use?
16:47.27unumlike one css file that you include in all of your projects because it has default classes you use all the time
16:47.58mindjujuyup
16:48.31mindjujuhas a handful of body elements and a crapload of filetype -> icon conversions
16:48.49mindjujuthats about the only thing that gets reused
17:05.49wpsmindjuju: what are figlet applications?
17:51.38funguslol
17:52.10fungushttp://pastebin.com/m3e2aaa33
17:53.15fungushttp://pear.php.net/manual/en/package.text.text-figlet.php
18:00.17tierraunum: I've started making use of Meyer's reset.css
18:00.20tierrathat's about it though
18:01.19tierrathough I don't do a lot of web design work, so I've never really bothered to write something up with common styles
18:01.52stderrunum: we make use of an inhouse library called "bling" that, amongst other things, provides common styles.
18:44.41mindjujuthe ring was a bit much for my wife and i
18:47.34mindjujusome good ole fashion tomfoolery - even if you don't speak Japanese, it's funny!  - http://warmingglow.uproxx.com/2009/10/ha-ha-good-one-japan
18:48.45unummindjuju: there's was a paranormal investigator at the convention
18:49.39mindjujui love watching ghost hunters and gh international
18:49.41mindjujuit's fun
18:49.45mindjujubut i was more meaning this
18:49.50mindjujuhttp://www.paranormalmovie.com/
18:50.05mindjujuit's this new movie that supposedly has everybody crapping their pants in fear
18:50.21mindjujuhttp://www.paranormalmovie.com/trailer.html
18:50.38mindjujucourse, it doesn't show you the premise, just the reation
18:50.50mindjujukind of like a blair witch
18:53.20mindjujuhmm, it's playing in orem
18:53.39mindjujustderr, have you seen it?
18:53.58herlomindjuju: just go see zombieland, it's great!
18:54.19mindjujui've heard wonderful wonderful things about zombieland
18:54.40mindjujuhte real question though, is how does it compare to Shaun of the dead?
18:54.48herloit's funnier
18:54.53herloIMO
18:55.07mindjujuno way!
18:55.51herloyes way
18:56.00herlowoody harrelson is amazing
18:56.09herloand I laughed pretty much from start to finish
18:58.33mindjujuk, this is sounding REALLY good - http://screenrant.com/paranormal-activity-reviews-kofi-27600/
19:00.34mindjujuhere is review of zombieland - http://screenrant.com/zombieland-reviews-vic-28806/
19:00.40wpsme either
19:00.46wpsI like suspense, but not horror
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19:02.02herlomindjuju: pretty good review of zombieland
19:02.44herloexcept for the comment about the f-bombs
19:03.26SunSparcf-bombs are not nearly as powerful as h-bombs.
19:03.47herloprobably
19:03.55SunSparc:)
19:23.56DexterTheDragon~rlart
19:23.56ibotpours hot grits down the front of DexterTheDragon's pants
19:24.04DexterTheDragondoh!
19:26.21mindjujuthe fates have spoken!
19:26.44herlolol
19:28.51wpscan anyone tell me what figlet applications are?
19:29.28herlothat is figlet  ^^
19:30.30SunSparcIs that like a small fig newton?
19:30.38SunSparcLike a bite size.
19:30.41wpsherlo, I'm confused
19:30.57fungushttp://pastebin.com/m3e2aaa33
19:30.59herlowps: you asked what figlet is
19:31.08fungushttp://pear.php.net/manual/en/package.text.text-figlet.php
19:31.18herlothat's what it does
19:31.23wpsfiglet is ascii art?
19:31.30herlofungus: haha, I didn't realize you could just pass the word to it like that
19:31.34herlowps: afaik, yes
19:31.43wpsand that's what tonight's UPHPU meeting is on?
19:31.58herloI don't tihnk the meeting is going to be very long from what I gathered
19:32.23fungusDon't forget we're going to go over GOTO as well
19:32.33fungushttp://us3.php.net/goto
19:33.14wpshmm… that's cool
19:33.18wpsI've never see goto before
19:33.26wpsI can see uses for that
19:33.31herlofungus: yeah, because goto is *useful*
19:33.45herlowps: It's poor coding practice imo...
19:33.51wpsoh?
19:34.35fungushttp://www.u.arizona.edu/~rubinson/copyright_violations/Go_To_Considered_Harmful.html
19:34.44wpsthanks, fungus
19:34.51fungushttp://c2.com/cgi/wiki?GotoConsideredHarmful
19:34.54fungusetc. etc.
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19:46.09DexterTheDragonhttp://xkcd.com/292/
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21:29.23henny19can someone take a look at http://paste.bradleygill.com/index.php?paste_id=22962 and tell me why im getting nothing in my db
21:34.40optikalhenny19: What error is it throwing?
21:38.55henny19sorted thanks, i was calling a feild twice
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21:54.41wpshow lame
21:54.50wpsonce a google group name is used, it cannot be used ever again
21:54.56wpseven if the group is deleted
21:55.10wpsI created a google group for UPHPU a few years ago but then deleted it
21:55.56wpsI'm creating a google group for UPHPU again now for use in Wave, but it can't be called "uphpu" because that was used in the past
22:02.16DexterTheDragon~rlart
22:02.17ibotsteals opapo_'s mojo
22:15.44utahconwps that is dumb
22:15.55utahconI can understand their stance on email addresses, but groups
22:36.12wpsI have a friend considering coming to tonight's meeting
22:36.18wpswill there be many there?
22:37.26mindjujuwell, we had this month's meet at UTOS but i forgot to send something to the mailing list to let everybody know, so we're having a faux meeting + uphpu after hours partay
22:37.46mindjujuso HA figlet using goto will prolly take 5 minutes
22:37.51mindjujuopen forum, who knows
22:38.01wpsI'll recommend he comes next month
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22:38.23utahconlol HA figlet ... *pounds the table with fist*
22:38.34wpsmjijackson: I'd shoot for next month
22:38.54mjijacksonwps: sounds good
22:39.03wpsmjijackson is a javascript master
22:39.06utahconhey mjijackson
22:39.08mindjuju~welcome mjijackson
22:39.09ibotWelcome to the party, mjijackson!
22:39.34mjijacksonwow, what an introduction ;)
22:39.36mjijacksonthanks all
22:40.02utahconwe is a friendly bunch of hicks with keyboards
22:57.14mindjujuwhich reminds me, muchas thanks to macnewbold for doing our REALLY real uphpu meet at UTOS!
22:57.36mindjujutoday's faux meet is brought to you by applebees and the letter H
22:57.47mindjuju(a very misunderstood and underrepresented letter)
22:58.36mindjujunot to mention marginalized by those cockney speaking brits!
23:01.04justincarmonylol
23:01.19justincarmonywps: you could have your friend come, it'd be a great chance to ask lots of questions
23:06.03mindjujuis that what i was smelling
23:06.08mindjujuhere i thought it was my garbage
23:06.16justincarmonyLOL, preping for cement sucks
23:06.28mindjujujust teasin
23:07.18DexterTheDragonoh to drive to draper, decisions, decisions
23:07.42mindjujuwe should prolly find out who is even planning on showing for the faux
23:07.53mindjujucause if it is just me, i'm hungry now
23:08.06mindjujui go get food, come back and code until 8p then home
23:08.33DexterTheDragoncould maybe have justincarmony pick me up..... ;)
23:08.34mindjujucourse though, if somebody REALLy does want to learn about prviding figlet in an HA enviroment, i guess it'll just be me
23:08.44justincarmonyLOL, if I leave on time :P
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23:23.20wpswhy are so many things default center-aligned?
23:23.21wpsug
23:23.30wpscenter is rarely the better option
23:24.46mjijacksonwps: tell me about it!
23:24.53mjijacksoni just had that argument yesterday with my boss.
23:26.58beandogthats a weird argument to have
23:27.51beandogwhats better than center
23:28.10wpsleft-aligned, almost always
23:28.17mjijacksonbeandog: take your pick: left, right, justified
23:28.31mjijacksoncenter is often the worst choice
23:28.49mjijacksonit's what people default to
23:29.12mjijacksonthey think, "this will all look good if everything just lines up in the middle"
23:41.57beandogI don't pretend to do design well, so Ill just take your word for it
23:42.00beandognever heard that though
23:42.01beandogthat's interesting
23:42.09DexterTheDragonjustincarmony: so think I could catch a ride?
23:42.09beandogI dontl ike center aligning stuff either
23:42.44mjijacksonbeandog: good design principles are kind of sneaky like that, i've found
23:43.08mjijacksonyou don't really notice them until you learn them, and then it starts jumping out all over the place
23:43.33mjijacksoneveryone knows what looks good, but few people are really able to create it for themselves
23:44.15mjijacksonfor that reason, it's difficult to nail down what makes something look good unless you learn it first
23:44.32justincarmonywhat's your address?
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23:45.37mjijacksonbeandog: I'm not claiming to be a good designer ;) just passing on what i've noticed
23:45.49beandogyah
23:46.21beandogone thing going for the marketing dept.  they can make things shiny
23:47.38beandogokay I need dinner.
23:47.45beandogspecifically, pumpkin pie.
23:47.54DexterTheDragonbeandog: no applebees?
23:50.21beandogno money
23:50.36beandogI might come.
23:50.37beandogmaybe.
23:50.38beandogwe'll see

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