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17:18.36herlookay, this is good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qniwI2hNhDs
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18:52.32herloand?
18:53.06utahconand what
18:53.12utahconthat was it
18:53.31mgearydon't you mean, "throws *an* exception"
18:53.33mgeary?
18:57.26herloutahcon: what mgeary said
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19:07.02herloDexterTheDragon: you would
19:07.17utahconwhatever!
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19:53.21utahconalright nerds/geeks
19:53.46utahconsound off on who you have for TV and what makes them best! Comcast, DirecTV, Dish, Other:
19:54.04herlono TV
19:54.08utahcongotta get TV scheduled, as the mother-in-law is moving in 1 week.
19:54.19herloutahcon: srsly
19:54.22utahconWife would never approve of no TV
19:54.31utahconI have two kids I have to entertain
19:54.36utahconthat means they need TV :D
19:54.38herloyeah, still.  No TV
19:54.45herloutahcon: doesn't mean not TV shows
19:54.48utahconthe inner workings of torrents are still too tough for the 4yr old
19:54.49herlos/not/no/
19:55.05herloutahcon: ever heard of XMBC ??
19:55.05beandogsrsly, no broadcast TV.
19:55.10beandogNetflix++
19:55.44DexterTheDragonutahcon: netflix and hulu
19:56.16utahconDexterTheDragon: haz the netflix on the Xbox, but not a final solution.
19:56.44herloutahcon: looks like you are losing this debate :)
19:56.48utahcondamnit!
19:56.53herloutahcon: but I will help you some.  Check out tviv.org
19:57.07DexterTheDragonI also have rabbit ears for random tv surfing
19:59.52utahconWell the mother in law had comcast with DVR.
20:00.02utahconI like DVR (why i am looking at MythTV, etc)
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20:00.23utahconbut I needs my Food Network, and she requires TLC (ugh0
20:00.36herloXBMC!!
20:01.31beandogHD Tivo
20:01.33beandog++
20:01.35beandogCan't be beat.
20:01.49beandogAnd you can archive shows from it, too
20:01.50beandog:D
20:01.57beandogremove the DRM, whee!
20:02.05beandogthat's what I do at least.
20:02.13beandogsure beats Myth.
20:04.59beandogwell, HD TIvo + unlimited subscription + CableCARD
20:05.10beandogof course, that's like $600
20:05.14beandog~spendy
20:05.32beandognothing good on TV anyway
20:08.29beandoghow are you gonna watch general conference in your underwear?
20:13.12Utah_Davebeandog: the Stake Center!
20:16.50mgearybeandog: that's a very good question
20:16.56DexterTheDragonthe internet
20:17.08mgearythat's when our tv went off the air, 'cause we were just doing broadcast
20:17.19beandogI guess theres always the radio too
20:17.19mgearyhowever, 6 months ago KSL was still broadcasting analog
20:17.36mgearynah, it looks like i'll need to finally figure out why our digital converter doesn't work
20:17.39mgearybah
20:33.44PoeticIntensitybeandog, how can you possibly say that Tivo is better than myth?
20:34.07beandogmore user-friendly
20:34.18PoeticIntensityhowso?
20:34.26PoeticIntensityother than the whole "plug and play" thing...
20:34.27PoeticIntensity:)
20:35.04beandogMyth always bothered me with its confusing array of menus
20:35.10PoeticIntensityI'm just sayin'...  Once it's set up, Myth is fabulous.  My wife knows how to use it better than I do.
20:35.11beandogTivo feels a lot simpler
20:35.27beandogI just never got into Myth as a TV recorder.  Too many weird bugs.
20:35.36PoeticIntensitysuch as?
20:35.49PoeticIntensityremoving commercials - check
20:35.55PoeticIntensityeasy search access - check
20:36.15PoeticIntensityHD capable - check, check (thanks for the cards, BTW, still workin' like a charm)
20:36.32beandogYah, I dont really remember now, I gave up on it years ago
20:36.37PoeticIntensitycost?  $2.00 / month + $20.00 / yr schedulesdirect.org fee
20:36.38beandog:T
20:36.42beandogI just remember Tivo being simpler
20:36.49beandogMine does HD just fine
20:36.53beandogAnd I have an unlimited subscription
20:36.58beandogdual-tuner, too
20:37.06PoeticIntensitydare I ask the price?
20:37.09beandogPlus, my exports aren't in NUV
20:37.10beandog;)
20:37.14beandogMPEG2+AC3, baby
20:37.14PoeticIntensityneither are mine.
20:37.24PoeticIntensitythey changed from NUV a long time ago
20:37.29beandogoh yah?
20:37.30beandogright on
20:37.41PoeticIntensitylemme double-check
20:37.59beandogmyth just felt too complex, iirc
20:38.17PoeticIntensityyup... all my files are .mpg
20:38.29PoeticIntensity1840_20090924140000.mpg ... etc...
20:38.47PoeticIntensitybut.... to each his own...
20:39.13beandogWell, I very rarely watch / record TV these days anyway
20:39.14beandogBut
20:39.17beandogprobably the biggest thing
20:39.18beandogit's quiet.
20:39.24beandogit's not a dedicated box I can fiddle with / break
20:39.32tierraI was sick of MythTV 3 years ago, and I haven't seen a single improvement that was made to it since...
20:39.34beandogI dunno, its the same difference between a PS3 and a windows gaming box
20:39.38beandog"It just works"
20:39.53tierraI've very happy XBMC is now working pretty smoothly in Ubuntu
20:39.57beandogand it does exactly what I need it to, and I pay the high price for it, but it's dedicated to one task
20:40.06tierrabut then again, I don't hook into a TV tuner or dish card
20:40.17PoeticIntensity'tis the high-price I don't agree with, nor can afford right now....
20:40.23PoeticIntensityespecially if I'm not into recording TV...
20:41.16PoeticIntensityyeah.... been using Myth for 4 years now, and I love it.  And my wife loves it.  and the price is right.  So, we're good. :)
20:41.24orsonjI liked xbmc until my video card drivers got degraded.
20:41.39PoeticIntensitynvidia or ATI, orsonj ?
20:41.56PoeticIntensity...degraded?
20:41.57orsonjintel oddly
20:41.59PoeticIntensityah..
20:42.16PoeticIntensityyeah.... word to the wise, don't buy ATI for Myth...
20:42.31PoeticIntensitymine flat-out won't work... at all.
20:43.14orsonjI don't care enough about having a cool interface on this machine, and full screen video works fine with vlc, so I'll just be careful when actually building a media machine.
20:44.04PoeticIntensitygood idear...
20:44.37orsonjanyway, time to get to my real job.
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20:45.00orsonj~lart hulu for putting the first four seasons of lost up.
20:45.00ibotbrandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, hulu!" and lops off hulu's head for putting the first four seasons of lost up.
20:45.27beandogorsonj, oh boy dont tell me that
20:46.44beandoghttp://mentalfloss.com/quiz/quiz.php?q=771
20:46.48beandoganother evil distraction of the day
20:46.53beandogproductivity be durned.
20:46.57beandog~durnination
20:51.54herloanyone ever written a git pre-receive hook?
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21:34.43wpspretty quiet in here today
21:34.59romanovicloud noises!
21:35.45Utah_Dave~tunafart mindjuju
21:35.45ibotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
21:36.17Utah_Davesorry, I figured that would cause mindjuju to make some noise
21:36.29wpswell…
21:36.38wpsthere's good noise and then there's bad noise
21:41.32orsonjHopefully it can cut down on the service calls
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21:55.43itimberstupid question, but I can't think of the answer: how would I identify the key of the first array element on an associative array?
21:56.04itimberinstead of $v[0], it would be $v[$key]
21:56.21itimberor, whatever I need to do there for $key
22:00.17unum$keys=keys($v);
22:00.21unum$keys[0];
22:00.43unumarray_keys
22:00.48unumis the function, sorry
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22:20.46jtsnowor reset($v); key($v);
22:21.47DexterTheDragonassociative arrays don't have any sense of order, so getting the "first" key could be a little random
22:55.16itimberin this situation, it's the only array element
22:55.21itimberotherwise, I know the key
22:55.27itimberso, we're good there
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23:58.58Mr-Bhey guys

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