| 00:00.34 | beandog | what are you so behind on |
| 00:01.03 | mindjuju | well... |
| 00:01.08 | mindjuju | it was a dark and stormy night |
| 00:01.25 | mindjuju | and the owner comes over and says, i like that video stuff you're doing |
| 00:01.26 | beandog | nice |
| 00:01.39 | mindjuju | i want to host the client conference online |
| 00:01.41 | beandog | lol, nice quit message |
| 00:01.50 | mindjuju | 300 people, 8 hrs a day, 2 days |
| 00:01.57 | mindjuju | figure it out |
| 00:02.02 | beandog | Oy |
| 00:02.08 | beandog | What video stuff are you doing? |
| 00:02.10 | beandog | streaming or something |
| 00:02.21 | mindjuju | from beginning to end |
| 00:02.27 | mindjuju | camera, lights |
| 00:02.28 | mindjuju | encoding |
| 00:02.30 | mindjuju | streaming |
| 00:02.31 | beandog | oh wow |
| 00:02.34 | beandog | the whole enchilada |
| 00:02.38 | mindjuju | client side |
| 00:02.41 | mindjuju | yup |
| 00:02.43 | beandog | wow |
| 00:02.54 | beandog | you are the mighty mighty master then |
| 00:03.08 | mindjuju | well, i wouldn't say that, it's a lot of trial and error |
| 00:03.18 | mindjuju | i'm planning on taking some classes on it though while i'm here |
| 00:03.22 | mindjuju | so anyways |
| 00:03.24 | mindjuju | i had that |
| 00:03.33 | mindjuju | then another department comes over |
| 00:03.50 | mindjuju | and has this MAJOR project that also needs doing |
| 00:04.10 | mindjuju | and it requires me to transfer a server to something beefier |
| 00:04.21 | beandog | thats always fun |
| 00:04.26 | mindjuju | and so, in my pride i thought, i'm going to do a production LAMP server |
| 00:04.34 | mindjuju | my first REALLY REAL-REAL one |
| 00:04.47 | mindjuju | sure, i've made production email servers, but this is my real first LAMP |
| 00:05.10 | mindjuju | so, i start ramping up for that, at the same time that I'm doing that other project |
| 00:05.22 | mindjuju | both are critical, level 5, have to be done urgently |
| 00:05.58 | mindjuju | and so i backed up the WAMP server and bulit out the LAMP server |
| 00:06.05 | mindjuju | and then the fit hits the shan |
| 00:06.13 | beandog | pooey |
| 00:06.18 | mindjuju | all code backed up succcessfully |
| 00:06.25 | mindjuju | the data on the other hand did not |
| 00:06.34 | beandog | heh |
| 00:06.35 | beandog | oh man |
| 00:06.42 | mindjuju | yeah, twas nuts |
| 00:07.07 | mindjuju | so ong story short, it did not end well, i had to rip into the code to rebuild everything v quickly |
| 00:08.13 | mindjuju | so, out of the countless times i've done backups |
| 00:08.25 | mindjuju | and done them well, this one just fell flat on its face |
| 00:08.44 | beandog | yah |
| 00:08.46 | beandog | thats poopy man |
| 00:08.47 | beandog | :( |
| 00:08.58 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 00:09.44 | beandog | next time we go out I'll get you one of those brownie explosions in a cup |
| 00:09.59 | mindjuju | that'd be awesome! |
| 00:10.15 | beandog | you've earned it |
| 00:10.31 | mindjuju | but things are getting caught up like i say, i just got to stick to my guns and think through things carefully |
| 00:11.08 | beandog | yah |
| 00:11.09 | beandog | don't panic |
| 00:11.11 | mindjuju | on the other hand, i did get a high B on my first math test |
| 00:11.11 | herlo | mindjuju: btw, I was up til 3:30 this morning |
| 00:11.18 | herlo | no the pain |
| 00:11.21 | beandog | alright, I should be in bed |
| 00:11.22 | beandog | Im heading home |
| 00:11.24 | herlo | s/no/know/ |
| 00:11.26 | mindjuju | cya beandog |
| 00:11.43 | herlo | enjoy the pain |
| 00:11.44 | herlo | feel the pain |
| 00:11.44 | beandog | I have no idea what im gonna do for dinner. *le sigh* |
| 00:11.44 | mindjuju | herlo, we should have gone out for pancakes |
| 00:11.44 | herlo | kill the pain! :) |
| 00:11.44 | herlo | mindjuju: I totally would have gone |
| 00:11.48 | herlo | I was hungry |
| 00:11.52 | beandog | pancakes++ |
| 00:11.57 | mindjuju | i don't think ihop has wifi though |
| 00:11.57 | herlo | in fact, I'm hungry now, gonna go get somethign now |
| 00:12.11 | mindjuju | i'm in the library, have class in like 20 minutes |
| 00:12.12 | herlo | no, but the coffee shop nearby does :) |
| 00:12.26 | herlo | mindjuju: cool, ttyl |
| 00:12.30 | mindjuju | cya |
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| 15:11.36 | fungus | lol, better version of the Windows 7 Party. http://www.cabel.name/2009/09/windows-7-party.html |
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| 15:50.59 | mgeary_ | i'm trying to imagine anything more asinine than throwing a Windows 7 launch party |
| 15:52.14 | unum | someone I know on facebook is throwing one |
| 15:52.28 | unum | in 5 years at the next debian release I'll have to throw a party |
| 15:56.00 | fungus | careful, it might be 10 years if you jinx it. |
| 15:56.50 | mgeary | well, even as an Apple fanboy, i can't imagine throwing an OS X launch party |
| 15:56.56 | mgeary | i mean, yes, i'm nerdy, but please |
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| 16:17.47 | orsonj | We should have a party to celebrate the "LE BOM" bug fix in php: http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=49528 |
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| 17:41.35 | PoeticIntensity | so..... |
| 17:41.49 | PoeticIntensity | anyone know of any good open-source employee time-tracking applications? |
| 17:41.54 | PoeticIntensity | preferrably php / mysql... |
| 17:42.30 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: I just heard of one today, let me see if I can find it |
| 17:42.46 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: http://projecthamster.wordpress.com/ |
| 17:43.13 | PoeticIntensity | THanks, herlo, looking at it now |
| 17:43.33 | herlo | not sure if you are a GNOME user, but there you go |
| 17:45.45 | macnewbold | PoeticIntensity: i saw one a while back but can't find the link atm. klok is popular with our guys too. |
| 17:46.01 | macnewbold | mrkrow recommends hamster |
| 17:46.02 | PoeticIntensity | yeah.... I need this to be usable by winders folk... |
| 17:46.21 | DexterTheDragon | PoeticIntensity: http://lifehacker.com/5362829/five-best-time+tracking-applications |
| 17:48.18 | mgeary | the best time-tracking app is someone who sits in my office, watches what i do, and keeps track of how long |
| 17:48.26 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: well, it's free software, add winders support :) |
| 17:48.32 | macnewbold | http://www.phptimeclock.com/ |
| 17:48.35 | PoeticIntensity | niiice... |
| 17:48.43 | PoeticIntensity | man, this group always delivers.... |
| 17:48.49 | herlo | macnewbold: oh, we had a guy submit a presentation on that at UTOSC this year, didn't get approved |
| 17:49.13 | herlo | did everyone sign up for UTOSC 2009 yet? http://attend.utosc.com if you haven't: use UPHPU as a promo code |
| 17:53.18 | PoeticIntensity | wow, macnewbold, this app looks very promising.. |
| 18:03.41 | mgeary | i love it when people think they're being clever by labeling their PHP include files "something.inc"... |
| 18:04.04 | mgeary | ..but then don't configure apache to run those files through the php parser, so if you hit the file directly, you the the code plaintext. nice security hole |
| 18:05.21 | macnewbold | yeah, joseph brewer I think is the guy who builds phptimeclock, but he's local |
| 18:05.38 | macnewbold | yeah, if anything doing .inc.php makes more sense |
| 18:05.47 | mgeary | yeah |
| 18:05.51 | macnewbold | but personally, I think a folder for all the include files makes more sense than extension changing. |
| 18:06.40 | mgeary | that too |
| 18:07.15 | macnewbold | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_time_tracking_software |
| 18:09.19 | macnewbold | something like basecamp might help too |
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| 18:30.03 | beandog | whens our next geek lunch |
| 18:30.30 | beandog | there's no food like geek food |
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| 18:34.38 | orsonj | speaking of... |
| 18:35.04 | beandog | to think I was responsible for a plundering |
| 18:35.25 | orsonj | well, my food, but I like to sound exciting |
| 18:36.10 | beandog | try putting on a viking hat. That'll add some novelty |
| 18:38.06 | beandog | lol |
| 18:38.10 | beandog | for some reason this cracks me up |
| 18:38.13 | beandog | http://bucket.unstoppablerobotninja.com/ubuntu-release-party.jpg |
| 18:38.49 | stderr | a viking hat? http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs126.snc1/5440_108258831050_504446050_2643182_2403387_n.jpg |
| 18:39.03 | PoeticIntensity | LOL! That's great, beandog |
| 18:39.30 | PoeticIntensity | nice, stderr |
| 18:39.47 | PoeticIntensity | ya need a nice "arrrrrrrrgh" face, though. |
| 18:43.43 | beandog | and a sword |
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| 18:57.58 | unum | so what's the best type of data type for a password in postgres? |
| 18:58.10 | fungus | text |
| 18:58.40 | fungus | plaintext |
| 18:59.07 | fungus | that way administrators can tell the user what their password is when they forget. |
| 18:59.16 | DexterTheDragon | yeah whatever you use for username, you should use for the password |
| 18:59.27 | fungus | and your forgot password links can actually email them their real password. |
| 18:59.45 | unum | well I don't think it has a hash column type |
| 18:59.46 | fungus | Even better, then you don't need a password filed in your table at all. |
| 18:59.52 | unum | so I know to run a hash function on it |
| 19:00.04 | unum | speaking of which which one should I use |
| 19:00.34 | DexterTheDragon | well if your really set on hashing it, rot13 |
| 19:00.38 | fungus | if you have to use a hash function, use the biggest, longest, most cpu consuming hash you can. |
| 19:00.51 | fungus | which is rot12 |
| 19:00.55 | fungus | s/2/3/ |
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| 19:01.53 | fungus | or you could just make up your own hash. |
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| 19:03.29 | fungus | unum: in all seriousness, if you salt it, MD5 is plenty good. |
| 19:03.43 | fungus | unsalted, i'd suggest sha1 |
| 19:04.20 | DexterTheDragon | we use a salted sha1 |
| 19:06.18 | unum | looks like I'll be using the bytea type |
| 19:06.47 | fungus | but the pgsql function returns a string. |
| 19:06.50 | fungus | just use that. |
| 19:06.59 | unum | http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/static/pgcrypto.html |
| 19:07.00 | fungus | easy peasy |
| 19:07.42 | unum | I found that based off what you guys were saying |
| 19:09.28 | fungus | even if you use crypt, which I don't suggest, it still returns text |
| 19:10.15 | unum | I see that now |
| 19:10.21 | unum | why don't you suggest crypt? |
| 19:10.25 | fungus | oh, the digest() function is what you want. |
| 19:10.44 | fungus | there is an example to make the sha1 function right in that doc. |
| 19:11.25 | fungus | bonus point for MySQL over PG |
| 19:11.28 | unum | ya digest returns bytea |
| 19:11.57 | fungus | crypt adds additional complexity that could make compatibility painful |
| 19:12.52 | fungus | generally only use crypt when you need unix crypt() compatibility. |
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| 21:06.42 | beandog | we need an oven at work so I can bake magically delicious cookies any time of day |
| 21:06.55 | beandog | that and set fire to people I don't like. |
| 21:14.26 | beandog | alright, now I really need a cookie ... dangit. |
| 21:17.00 | fungus | Ooh, you bake cookies. I have an oven. |
| 21:17.45 | fungus | make it work. I can't seem to. |
| 21:17.49 | fungus | :) |
| 21:18.27 | beandog | too late, saved by the vending machine. |
| 21:20.09 | fungus | someday I should learn to cook. |
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| 21:22.55 | beandog | I can make french toast |
| 21:23.03 | beandog | and pretty much anything else that takes 3 steps or less. |
| 21:23.07 | beandog | and involves a microwave. |
| 21:23.52 | beandog | man these cookies suck, what the crap is in here |
| 21:24.28 | beandog | "may contain tree nuts" |
| 21:24.28 | beandog | what the heck is a tree nut? |
| 21:24.47 | DexterTheDragon | you don't want to know |
| 21:24.57 | wps | don't most nuts grow on trees? |
| 21:25.02 | wps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_nut' |
| 21:25.34 | wps | hmmâ¦Â guess not |
| 21:25.40 | wps | peanuts grow on plants |
| 21:25.57 | wps | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Peanut_plant_NSRW.jpg/393px-Peanut_plant_NSRW.jpg |
| 21:29.10 | beandog | can't stop eating these plastic things |
| 21:31.56 | fungus | peanuts are actually in the legume family and aren't really nuts. |
| 21:32.53 | beandog | those legumes never get a break |
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| 22:08.46 | mgeary | when people have allergies, it's typically to "tree nuts and peanuts" |
| 22:10.43 | wps | and windows 7 parties |
| 22:11.21 | beandog | heh |
| 22:11.34 | beandog | I promise I'll throw a party when IE6 dies, how's that? |
| 22:11.57 | wps | did you see Microsoft's response to the Google Chrome Frame plug-in? |
| 22:12.02 | wps | "don't install it!!!" |
| 22:12.11 | wps | it's a security risk!!! |
| 22:12.14 | wps | plug-ins are bad! |
| 22:12.23 | beandog | wps, yah? link? |
| 22:12.23 | wps | (even though IE performs 9 times faster with the plug in) |
| 22:12.37 | beandog | I wonder what MS said about installing a .NET plugin without asking for FF |
| 22:12.47 | wps | let me see if I can dig it up |
| 22:13.37 | fungus | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/microsoft-google-chrome-frame-makes-ie-less-secure.ars |
| 22:13.45 | wps | it's obviously still in development, but I think that the chrome plug-in is the best thing that has happened to the web |
| 22:14.04 | wps | thanks, fungus |
| 22:14.08 | wps | that's where I read it |
| 22:15.02 | wps | I really hope that it motivates MS to throw in the towel for rendering engines |
| 22:15.04 | fungus | Although I feel the chrome frame is a complete waste. |
| 22:15.22 | wps | they can keep building a browser, but use another engine |
| 22:15.23 | fungus | If you have the option to install it, just skip IE altogether and get Chrome itself. |
| 22:15.25 | wps | why's that, fungus? |
| 22:15.37 | beandog | "Google Chrome Frame running as a plugin has doubled the attach area for malware and malicious scripts" I would actually agree with that. It is 2x the attack base. |
| 22:16.15 | unum | so everyone SHOULD just run chrome instead |
| 22:16.26 | wps | that's fineâ¦Â people have a choice, run IE with the plug-in and be at twice the risk, or switch away from IE |
| 22:16.26 | fungus | If you can use chrome frame there is almost no reason to use IE at all. |
| 22:16.28 | beandog | fungus, yah, but think no permissions to install software on the system, but permission to install plugins |
| 22:16.41 | fungus | beandog: that almost never happens |
| 22:16.46 | DexterTheDragon | fungus: well the idea is for all those corps who have stuff built the relies on IE, to allow them to keep IE for their old crap but still allow the internet to move forward |
| 22:16.51 | beandog | fungus, yah, just playing devils advocate |
| 22:17.15 | fungus | DexterTheDragon: corps that force IE, force IE, and permit no plugins |
| 22:17.46 | DexterTheDragon | fungus: coprs that force that much only allow you onto the intranet |
| 22:17.57 | fungus | not true. |
| 22:18.00 | fungus | I work at one. |
| 22:18.17 | DexterTheDragon | so you guys don't allow flash? |
| 22:18.18 | unum | I force everyone to use firefox |
| 22:18.30 | fungus | Yes, but we install it. |
| 22:18.48 | fungus | We install Flash, Java, and Adobe, that's it. |
| 22:18.57 | DexterTheDragon | well ass Chrome Frame to that |
| 22:19.02 | DexterTheDragon | *add |
| 22:19.17 | fungus | Yeah right, like I could get that approved... |
| 22:19.37 | beandog | tell em it's a bugfix |
| 22:19.41 | beandog | a security patch :D |
| 22:19.43 | fungus | especially since parts of our intranet don't work with non-IE |
| 22:20.01 | beandog | Our intranet won't work *with* IE \o/ |
| 22:20.08 | fungus | congrats |
| 22:20.24 | beandog | Chrome is the preferred browser here |
| 22:20.26 | beandog | woo woo |
| 22:20.28 | DexterTheDragon | but thats the idea, old stuff still works with IE and developers can create new stuff that uses the chrome frame |
| 22:20.46 | fungus | Though, those apps are planned to be fixed, but time/money is lacking right now. |
| 22:21.35 | unum | since I wrote our intranet it only work with firefox |
| 22:21.45 | fungus | congrats to you too |
| 22:21.55 | unum | :) |
| 22:22.08 | beandog | sorry, fungus :( |
| 22:22.10 | wps | and a tissue |
| 22:22.14 | beandog | I was there once. |
| 22:22.16 | unum | the nice thing about going to work at a company that's 20 years behind the technology curvy |
| 22:22.20 | unum | curve |
| 22:22.20 | fungus | yay, I need one |
| 22:22.23 | beandog | but then I switched everyone to thin clients. :D |
| 22:22.28 | unum | you can upgrade it to your preferences |
| 22:22.41 | mgeary | i have brownies too! |
| 22:22.42 | unum | now if only I could them to stop using qbasic |
| 22:22.51 | redroy | btw, we're meeting with element next wednesday |
| 22:23.01 | fungus | unum: of course the IS dept gets special exemptions. :) |
| 22:23.22 | wps | I don't get this |
| 22:23.39 | wps | this new app I am working on can be divided into two main sections |
| 22:24.02 | wps | I started prototyping with one of the sections and dev wants to start building the other first |
| 22:24.08 | wps | why? |
| 22:24.21 | wps | arrrrrrg |
| 22:25.10 | beandog | maybe thats why |
| 22:25.15 | fungus | doh, is the dev open to discussion? or not in charge? |
| 22:25.36 | wps | they're now breathing down my neck wondering when the prototypes will be ready |
| 22:25.44 | beandog | fungus, oh wait, you're in a big, national corp. that explains the crappy requirements. |
| 22:25.58 | fungus | yup |
| 22:25.59 | wps | so now I have to scramble to get the other section done fast |
| 22:26.19 | fungus | beandog: though we are evolving. |
| 22:26.27 | fungus | very slowly though |
| 22:26.37 | wps | fungus grew a third arm |
| 22:26.51 | fungus | yay! |
| 22:27.07 | fungus | imagine how much better input would be with 3. |
| 22:27.21 | fungus | no more wasting time between keyboard and mouse switching. |
| 22:27.38 | beandog | fungus, yah? thats good |
| 22:27.59 | wps | using a computer would be awesome with three arms |
| 22:28.06 | beandog | so would dating |
| 22:28.21 | wps | oh my |
| 22:28.25 | fungus | woot! |
| 22:29.20 | fungus | the only thing better than 3 arms would be direct brain input |
| 22:30.19 | fungus | Wifi in my brain. |
| 22:50.25 | *** join/#uphpu macnewbold (n=mac@hao.codegreene.com) |
| 22:50.25 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o macnewbold] by ChanServ |
| 22:52.20 | *** join/#uphpu kingsol (n=kingsol@64.0.192.112) |
| 22:52.56 | wps | good afternoon, kingsol |
| 22:53.03 | kingsol | thank you sir |
| 22:53.39 | kingsol | just fired up your old mp tower wps |
| 22:53.43 | kingsol | running like a dream |
| 22:53.52 | wps | has it not been used since I left? |
| 22:53.58 | kingsol | nope |
| 22:54.01 | wps | how sad |
| 22:54.13 | kingsol | its my primary now |
| 22:54.23 | kingsol | the laptop was getting too slow |
| 23:06.38 | beandog | http://www.popandshorty.bigcartel.com/product/you-are-the-css-to-my-html-magnet |
| 23:09.05 | *** part/#uphpu pelaofeliz (n=PelaoFel@67.108.236.230) |
| 23:51.03 | beandog | man how much snot can the human head hold |
| 23:54.24 | fungus | A lot, since it generates it itself. |
| 23:56.49 | beandog | if only we could use these powers for good |
| 23:56.58 | beandog | ~sneeze mindjuju |
