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00:08.24DexterTheDragonmindjuju: oing
00:08.39DexterTheDragonor ping, your choice
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15:20.20mgeary~rlart
15:20.21ibotstuffs mindjuju into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it
15:20.41herlowhee!!
15:45.25orsonjheh, google results for "P38" (airplane, handgun then can opener)
15:45.32redroyDoes anyone use Adium for IRC here? The website says it can support IRC but I'm not seeing it
15:46.16orsonjwhat version do you have?
15:47.02orsonjIt looks like only the beta has irc support.
15:47.06mindjujufor those that need a quick laugh, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StIP4EJB15I
15:47.11mindjujusaw that in class yesterday
15:47.32mindjujuquite funny
15:48.43orsonjheh, well done commercial
15:49.41mgearyredroy: wow
15:49.51mgearyredroy: i was literally JUST about to ask who here uses Adium
15:50.07herlomindjuju: nice
15:50.07mgearymindjuju: yeah, that one is awesome
15:50.09herlovery funny
15:50.47redroyHa, great minds
15:50.51mgearyredroy: i don't use it for IRC, but tell me this--
15:50.52redroyI'm using 1.3.6
15:51.02orsonjhttp://trac.adium.im/wiki/GettingOnIRC
15:51.22fungusredroy: yes Adium works with IRC
15:51.23mgearyon my laptop, i can click on the contacts list and start typing, and it will filter my contacts based on what i type. I can NOT find where to enable this feature on my desktop
15:51.37mgearydriving me crazy
15:51.41fungusI don't use it because it is no where near as good as Colloquy
15:52.47redroyorsonj: thanks, I think I'll try it out
15:53.08DexterTheDragon~irssi++
15:53.10redroymgeary: I'm actually just barely trying it out for IM... seems pretty cool
15:53.26fungusBut at least try Colloquy, it's the best IRC client i've ever used.
15:53.26redroyI like being able to customize things :)
15:53.50mgearyColloquy is great, though it's searching/indexing is teh suck
15:54.10fungus~logs
15:54.11ibotAll conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged.
15:54.32fungusThough irssi/Xchat come in very close seconds.
15:54.52fungusand no, X-Chat Aqua doesn't count.
15:55.59herlofungus: colloquy is limited to Mac last I checked.
15:56.21fungusyup
15:56.21herloplus it's a gui irc client, and you can't easily screen it
15:56.36fungusthat is why I added irssi and X-Chat as alternates
15:57.34herloyeah, because GUI's can't grow on fungus
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15:57.43funguslol
15:57.45itimbermorning guys
15:58.11fungusCan irssi notify you of mentions via libnotify?
15:58.21mindjujumorning itimber
15:58.30mindjujuanybody getting any sleep over at your house?
15:58.46mgearyso, any OTHER Adium users on the list?
15:58.46itimberall but my wife
15:58.47itimberLOL
15:59.00mindjuju@itimber, yup
15:59.04mindjujufirst months are hellish
15:59.10itimbershe's breastfeeding the little one, so she's the one who has to get up
15:59.23itimberfo sho
15:59.30itimberbut he's a good little guy
15:59.34mindjujuyou know, we cheated on that
15:59.41itimberdid ya? how so?
15:59.47DexterTheDragonfungus: yeah there's a couple scripts to get libnotify to show notices from irssi
15:59.49mindjujuwe rented a hospital grade pump from a medical supply
16:00.01itimberoh nice
16:00.09itimberbut then you have to get up too
16:00.12itimber:
16:00.29mindjujuyeah, but it's a while to cycle in a full sleep cycle for her
16:00.48itimberah, that's true
16:00.51mindjujuso, like on a weekend, you can take the babe and the stored milk and get out of doge and let her sleep
16:01.06itimberthat's a good plan... fo sho
16:02.06mindjujuand since you're prolly not sleeping well either, you can always farm babe and milk to family and let them handle it while you and she sleep
16:02.54itimberthat's a *VERY* good plan
16:02.57itimber:)
16:05.03itimberI LOVE that German Coastguard vid you setup man
16:05.08itimberhave seen it before
16:05.11mindjuju:)
16:05.13itimberstill supa funny
16:11.44itimber:)
16:13.05itimberso.... is Ubuntu on a webserver better than Suse or Gentoo on a webserver?
16:13.54unumdepends on what you want
16:14.06unumI always run debian :)
16:14.18fungusbut that's opinion.
16:14.19itimberwhy debian unum?
16:14.43unumnot as much work as gentoo, lots of packages, and a small default install
16:14.48fungusUbuntu = Debian improved.  :)
16:14.49unumI don't run X on my servers
16:15.03itimberfungus: because of the UI? or dependability or something?
16:15.09unumya I much rather deal with a server running ubuntu than suse or gentoo
16:15.29unumin my limited exeperience debian has better debendability
16:15.35unumeven if you are running "unstable"
16:15.53itimberright on
16:15.57fungusitimber: the difference is in administration style
16:16.06fungusthey are just different.
16:16.27fungusGentoo, for hardcore crazies that like to micro-optimize
16:16.34unumubuntu is easier and simpler to install, it also comes with more and newer drivers
16:16.48itimberah
16:17.10fungusSUSE, for people who like slow Yast, and a very large corporation to support them.
16:17.26fungusUbuntu, for those who like streamlined simplicity
16:18.28unumI don't think there's much difference between ubuntu and debian once it's installed
16:18.42unumexcept where you are getting your packages from
16:19.07unumand in my experience the debian ones are more reliable, but my ubuntu experience is limited
16:19.20itimberI follow ya
16:19.57unumit does take more work to get a debian install to where an ubuntu install is by default
16:20.03unumbut some people consider that a good thing
16:20.16itimberright
16:20.59itimbermakes sense
16:21.12fungusexactly Ubuntu has better defaults imho.
16:21.40fungusDon't discount CentOS/Fedora either though.
16:21.54itimberOH.... I meant CentOS... not Suse
16:21.56itimberdang
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16:22.15fungusCentOS, for Redhat compatibility, at better prices.
16:22.35fungusFedora, for near bleeding edge versions
16:22.37itimberI've got CentOS on one, Gentoo on another... and I've played w/ Ubuntu as a desktop system
16:22.52itimberbut I don't get into it as deep as you do
16:23.30redroyI'm connected via Adium now 8) we'll see how it goes.
16:24.05fungusBoth CentOS and Ubuntu are good choices for servers.  I don't recommend Gentoo, unless you really want to get into it very *deep*
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16:24.05itimberthanks for the info.... gotta get some breakfast, BRB
16:24.05itimberya
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16:36.49utahconanyone want to buy my a SGI Octane III ?
16:36.56utahconhttp://www.sgi.com/products/servers/octaneIII/intel_2way.html
16:40.05SunSparcJust to say I owned an SGI would be cool.  I used to own a Sun.  Coolness factor.  But I am not really in the market for an SGI box.
16:40.17SunSparcutahcon: ^
16:40.39SunSparcAny iPhone users using the 3.1 update yet?
16:40.42utahconIs anyone actually in that market?
16:40.50utahconI would love to meet that person and ask them WTF they are doing.
16:41.19stderrSunSparc: yea
16:41.34SunSparcutahcon: lol
16:41.43SunSparcstderr: You liking it?
16:41.59stderrSunSparc: my battery life seems to last much longer
16:42.10stderrbut I have some friends with the 3GS who have had the opposite effect
16:42.23SunSparcHmm, more battery life is always good.
16:42.35SunSparcHow old is your phone, perhaps that affects it.
16:43.04stderrummm, I dunno, however long since the 3G came out.
16:45.21SunSparcSame, cool.  I was just looking at the feature list.  Looks like it has some good updates.  Although some are 3GS specific which makes me want to get the 3GS.
16:45.58stderrheh, me too.  just waiting for Apple to lose AT&T like a bad habit.
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16:46.53fungusutahcon: Wouldn't you rather have a Cray?  http://www.cray.com/Products/CX1.aspx
16:47.33SunSparcSeriously.  I love AT&T customer service and have been loyal to them since I got my first cell phone more than a decade ago, but all the crap they are doing these days is annoying.  Plus, Google Voice could soon totally replace the need for AT&T unless they jump on the innovation boat.
16:47.58SunSparcfungus: That would be another coolness factor box I would not mind having in my office.
16:50.30utahconfungus: the SGI seems better.
16:50.51fungusbut... it's a Cray.
16:50.58utahconum
16:51.01SunSparcfungus: exactly
16:51.03SunSparcheh
16:51.36utahconfungus: Cray or not... the SGI is up to 80 cores (20 x quad-core)
16:51.44utahcon960GB of RAM
16:51.48utahcon5TB of storage
16:52.14mgearyyeah, but how many readily-available apps do you know of that can intelligently use 80 cores?
16:52.27mgearyhopefully Apple open-sourcing GrandCentral will have an impact there
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16:53.36utahconyour Cray would be at best... 64 cores, 96GB of RAM, 640GB of storage ... oh wait.. .that is weak!
16:53.39utahcon:d
16:53.51utahconmgeary: who cares?!
16:54.04mgearyummm. okay
16:54.12utahconActually... the ones I would put on the machine would
16:54.16utahcon:D
16:54.23utahconI don't know what they are yet though
16:54.51utahconThe same argument technically would ride for the Cray though. What can actually handle 64 cores?
16:55.32utahconEven if the OS did all the work putting each task on it's own core, I would have plenty of cores, and memory to do anything I wanted.
16:55.35utahcon:D
16:55.55mgearybut that's not how the OS works
16:56.03mgearyat least, not most of them, not yet
16:56.41utahconGive it time
16:56.51utahconthe software will find a way to tax the hardware
16:58.02DexterTheDragonthats what virtual machines are for
16:58.12utahconyeah what DexterTheDragon said
17:08.08fungusI just want a Cray for the name.
17:08.22fungusOf course the SGI is better, but to say, I have a Cray at home.
17:09.30fungusAlthough either way I go, I'd have to get about 10 more WoW accounts
17:13.00SunSparcfungus: LOL
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17:13.24SunSparcOne WoW account per 6 cores.  Sweet.
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17:41.39mgearydang, i love coding in python
17:55.53herlome too
18:01.50stderrwhoa, really?  Is that a programming language?
18:02.05mgearyoh, stderr, you wouldn't like it
18:02.11mgearyit's not for socialists
18:02.20herlosocialists use it
18:02.24herlojust not very many
18:02.29mgeary<sssh!!>
18:02.33stderr:(
18:02.41herlooh, sorry mgeary
18:03.34stderrhe has none to question!
18:05.16beandogwhatever, herlo is one of those people with teddy bears that have stars and stripes underwear that he sticks in his rear window of his car
18:05.40DexterTheDragonback from the dead beandog?
18:05.49beandogDexterTheDragon, that's debatable
18:05.52beandogI'm here, if that means anything
18:05.58beandogactually no I'm not, I'm off to lunch.
18:08.26mgearybeandog: been ill?
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19:10.52beandogmgeary, flu
19:15.30mgearybeandog: sorry to hear. 2/3 of my kids were also down the last couple of days with a stomach bug
19:15.59beandognasty stuff
19:20.03mindjujuprolly swine flu
19:20.09mindjujujk
19:20.50mgearyit'd be good if it were-- get some antibodies
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19:28.02stderrone bad thing about not living in Reno anymore - no free flushots
19:47.44stderrwell that's a mistake.
19:51.29SunSparcmindjuju: do you like any shots?
19:51.54DexterTheDragonjello shots
19:52.01SunSparcLOL
19:52.45stderrfeel like I'm in a sorority.
19:57.41SunSparc:)
20:07.38beandogarr, pear is tricky.
20:07.43beandoggo away, headache.
20:10.09mindjujusunsparc, not really, id on't mind shots
20:10.23SunSparcjust wondering
20:10.33mindjujui used to donate blood with great frequency
20:10.44mindjujuand of course the ole plasma donating when in college
20:12.58SunSparcOh yeah, plasma for money.  Been there, done that.  Passed out too many times.
20:13.06beandoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlRK-DtcqC0&feature=PlayList&p=BwEUZO6cm0Y
20:13.10beandogonion to the rescue :)
20:13.12beandogpain b gone
20:13.21mindjujuheh, never passed out from it, and actually had time to read some books while i was sitting there
20:13.55beandog"theyve been dead so long, they just don't know what they're talking about"
20:16.19SunSparcheh
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21:06.38DexterTheDragonlooks like google decided to fix microsoft's browser http://code.google.com/chrome/chromeframe/
21:07.47Utah_DaveDexterTheDragon: Isn't that hilarious!
21:15.18SunSparcMaybe if we started a coalition of web developers and got everyone on board we could pick a day and on that day everyone activate a detector on their sites that gives IE users a message to pick a different browser...
21:25.57macnewboldnice
21:25.59macnewboldthat'd be awesome
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21:36.09orsonjThat would be funny, build ActiveX controls that load rendering engines for different browsers and force your users to use it that way.
21:36.23orsonjAfter all, IE people are used to using random ActiveX stuff anyhow.
21:37.13SunSparcTrue, true
21:37.16SunSparc:)
21:38.21fungusmake an ActiveX control that installs Firefox and disables IE.
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21:38.35fungusdon't just change the rendering engine.
21:38.59SunSparcEven better
21:39.03_psychic_I think it's kinda cool, but what's stopping them from doing that to firefox?
21:39.12fungusum... security
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21:41.00mindjujuactually, windows update did auto-add something to FF
21:41.06mindjujuthough i don't remember what it was
21:44.44fungushttp://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2009/05/microsoft_update_quietly_insta.html
21:47.34DexterTheDragonbesides not being able to uninstall it, how is that any different then say the extension ubuntu ships firefox with?
21:48.02mgearywell, isn't that a key "besides" ?
21:48.45DexterTheDragonyeah it is, but more people seem to point out the fact that microsoft installed something, as opposed to the I can't uninstall it part
21:51.48orsonjThe ubuntu extension doesn't introduce security holes
21:54.02DexterTheDragonwas it proved the microsoft one did?
21:55.25orsonjIt allowed websites an additional way to popup "please install this"
21:55.52DexterTheDragonso kinda like java does?
21:56.49orsonjhttp://msdn.microsoft.com/clickonce/
21:57.52itimberI'm out... later guys
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22:07.47beandogfungus, wow, nasty
22:13.54beandog~lastfm++
22:14.18herlo~lastfm++
22:14.47SunSparcscrobble scrobble
22:14.49beandogany service that provides random music where I end up liking 90% of it gets my undying vote
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22:53.15mindjujuif you don't mind a bit of language, this is awesomely funny - http://www.cracked.com/article/125_13-real-animals-lifted-directly-out-your-nightmares/
22:53.28mindjujudag, lunch time always goes fast
22:59.55mindjujuuh oh, is this a bad thing?
22:59.56mindjujuWarning:  include(D:Inetpub/wwwroot/science_now/includes/sn_footer_noside.php) [function.include]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /Library/WebServer/Documents/science_now/archive/headline_science/redjelly.php on line 56
23:01.33funguslol
23:01.58mindjujui'm writing the web site owner to let them know i now know cool things about their server
23:02.05fungusthat is why absolute paths are bad.
23:02.11mindjujuyup
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23:14.18SunSparcNight all
23:38.51mindjujuanybody around?
23:41.50supernoviaI'm here
23:42.37herlohi
23:42.46mindjujuso
23:43.07mindjujuwhat are the various places in Apache that I could designate a website?
23:43.15herloare you on ubuntu?
23:43.17mindjujusite-enabled/default is one
23:43.20mindjujuyup, on ubuntu
23:43.36herloso the way that they do that is that you can create a config file per host, or just one
23:43.56herlobut inside you just put <VirtualHost hostname> your data </VirtualHost>
23:44.09mindjujuk, so i'm familiar with that way, but here is what happened
23:44.32mindjujui have mine setup in just tha tway with the virtual hosts, i install phpmyadmin
23:44.41mindjujuand it does something weird so that
23:44.51fungus/etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin
23:44.52mindjujuwww.xxxxx.com/phpmyadmin shows up
23:45.03mindjujuand www.yyyyyyy.com/phpmyadmin
23:45.14mindjuju(which resolves to the same IP address)
23:45.51fungusit applies to all vhosts
23:46.18fungusJust take the needed stuff out, and put it in the vhost you want, then delete the file.
23:47.21mindjujuhmmm
23:47.32mindjujuoh, i can do it in notepad
23:47.43mindjujui'm running putty to the server (no gui)
23:47.57mindjujuand didn't know how to run 2 nano so i can copy out of this and paste in the other
23:48.12mindjujubut like i say, i can copy and paste to notepad, then delete, then open other doc and dump in
23:50.24fungusmindjuju: are you using putty?
23:50.44mindjujuyup
23:50.48fungusputty auto-copies text you highlight
23:51.06fungushighlight text, open new file, paste text.
23:51.07fungusdone
23:51.41fungusmiddle click pastes too.
23:51.48mindjujufungus should write a book
23:52.10fungusit would be pretty boring.
23:52.13fungus:)
23:52.17mindjuju"Fungus's hip guide to Sys Admin Geekhood"
23:52.28mindjujui'd buy it
23:53.01mindjujucourse though, i'd be on like a USB
23:53.07mindjujuor maybe instead of
23:53.14mindjujuman somefunction
23:53.16mindjujuit'd be
23:53.19mindjujufungus somefunction
23:53.22funguslol
23:53.41fungusfungus > man
23:53.53mindjujuobviously!
23:54.04fungusbut fungus == man
23:54.13supernoviaTHE man

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