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| 03:26.12 | supernovia | Happy Sunday night, y'all |
| 03:28.56 | DexterTheDragon | heya supernovia |
| 03:29.04 | supernovia | Hey there DexterTheDragon :) |
| 03:29.09 | supernovia | how's your day been? |
| 03:29.24 | DexterTheDragon | lazy :) |
| 03:29.46 | supernovia | I guess mine has been too.. went to Mom's for dinner :) |
| 03:31.36 | supernovia | now I'm just catching up on this and that |
| 03:37.44 | herlo | sounds nice.... |
| 03:38.15 | supernovia | how are things there herlo? |
| 03:38.36 | herlo | supernovia: good, you? |
| 03:38.44 | supernovia | Doing Ok |
| 03:38.55 | supernovia | Coolio |
| 03:39.02 | herlo | yah, pretty interesting stuff... |
| 03:39.03 | supernovia | I'm just looking over some SEO stuff |
| 03:39.07 | herlo | fun |
| 03:39.19 | supernovia | and then on to my linux homework. And then I think I'll get some sleep :) |
| 03:39.53 | DexterTheDragon | woooo linux homework |
| 03:39.59 | herlo | linux homework? |
| 03:40.04 | herlo | it's not really work is it? |
| 03:40.18 | herlo | I mean, it's linux :) |
| 03:40.19 | supernovia | Not really |
| 03:40.33 | herlo | I'd call it, Linux Homefun |
| 03:40.34 | herlo | :) |
| 03:40.36 | supernovia | hehe |
| 03:40.48 | herlo | but I am a nerd |
| 03:40.51 | supernovia | This one involves answering some questions in a verbose format. So a little work |
| 03:40.53 | supernovia | but not much :) |
| 03:41.03 | supernovia | and yeah it's Great DexterTheDragon :) |
| 03:41.36 | supernovia | I kinda took the class to fill in the gaps - its the suse enterprise course |
| 03:41.39 | DexterTheDragon | supernovia: what are they using now? still SLES? |
| 03:41.42 | DexterTheDragon | yep |
| 03:41.47 | supernovia | Yeah, sles9 |
| 03:41.53 | herlo | is it Guru Labs materials? |
| 03:42.01 | DexterTheDragon | its home work when its sles :) |
| 03:42.07 | supernovia | hehe |
| 03:42.11 | herlo | yeah, that's true |
| 03:42.15 | supernovia | this one's from Novell |
| 03:42.23 | herlo | so, yeah, it's GL's |
| 03:42.46 | supernovia | And really it's not that bad, I know some of it. Just not all of it. Good to fill in th gaps says I |
| 03:42.56 | supernovia | Did you take this class too DexterTheDragon? |
| 03:43.10 | DexterTheDragon | yeah I took unix I and unix II there |
| 03:43.22 | supernovia | Cool :) |
| 03:43.31 | DexterTheDragon | unix I was with redhat 9 back when I took it, then unix II was the first year they did the sles |
| 03:43.45 | supernovia | how long ago was this? |
| 03:44.00 | DexterTheDragon | like 2006 |
| 03:44.26 | supernovia | hehe |
| 03:45.01 | supernovia | did you end up getting a degree in CS or IT or? |
| 03:45.30 | DexterTheDragon | my degree's in multimedia communication technology |
| 03:45.35 | supernovia | Well that's cool |
| 03:46.42 | supernovia | any classes you'd recommend? |
| 03:47.00 | supernovia | they don't really have the degree I'm hoping for so I'm doing integrated studies |
| 03:47.31 | DexterTheDragon | my favorite classes were video production and 3d animation :) |
| 03:47.34 | supernovia | and just trying to get a good mix of design & tech classes |
| 03:47.57 | supernovia | Cool. I am needing to do a 3d class at least |
| 03:50.53 | supernovia | I've still got a lot of generals to do too though. I'm old enough to be some of my classmate's mother. Granted, I would have had to have been one wild teenager. But still. |
| 03:59.12 | supernovia | Pandora gets really weird if I leave it alone |
| 04:00.12 | DexterTheDragon | its usually weird |
| 04:00.18 | supernovia | hhee |
| 04:03.31 | supernovia | some weird remake of 1979.. or maybe it's an original and smashing pumpkins fixed it |
| 04:46.32 | supernovia | well DexterTheDragon and herlo (And anyone else) |
| 04:47.08 | supernovia | I think I'm going to go treat myself to a little extra sleep. Have a good evening! |
| 04:47.57 | herlo | gnight supernovia |
| 04:48.13 | supernovia | thanks herlo :) |
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| 14:28.10 | itimber | sup guys |
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| 17:01.07 | PoeticIntensity | ~monday |
| 17:01.08 | ibot | rumour has it, monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix, or and on a more positive note, Monday is a brand new day at the beginning of a brand new week, a place to start over and improve on last week. :) |
| 17:06.13 | macnewbold | wow, that's more verbose than i remember.... |
| 17:07.04 | macnewbold | ibot: monday is also the end of the weekend, a.k.a. the weekendend |
| 17:07.05 | ibot | okay, macnewbold |
| 17:07.09 | macnewbold | ~monday |
| 17:07.09 | ibot | rumour has it, monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix, or and on a more positive note, Monday is a brand new day at the beginning of a brand new week, a place to start over and improve on last week. :), or the end of the weekend, a.k.a. the weekendend |
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| 17:09.20 | stderr | ~mnf |
| 17:09.37 | stderr | :( |
| 17:22.52 | carmony | grrr, I'm getting a 404 when trying to install php5-mysql on my ubuntu server |
| 17:23.57 | stderr | a 404 on machine or a 404 via apt |
| 17:24.03 | carmony | via apt |
| 17:24.21 | carmony | I think my repository info is out of date, did an aptitude update, trying again |
| 17:24.57 | carmony | yup |
| 17:25.02 | carmony | that fixed it :) |
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| 18:17.34 | utahcon | apt-get 404 |
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| 18:29.13 | redroy | I'm trying to make a soap call and I think I've got some firewall issues... how do I find out exactly what IP from my server is trying to connect? |
| 18:30.06 | jsmith | redroy: Visit ipchicken.com |
| 18:31.45 | redroy | Isn't that just my IP? |
| 18:34.37 | fungus | yes |
| 18:34.47 | fungus | You are looking for the destination IP? |
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| 18:36.33 | redroy | I'm trying to find exactly what IP my domain (silverwolfweb.net) is seen as when making a soap connection. So I can get that on the "other" server's firewall |
| 18:36.47 | redroy | if that makes sense |
| 18:37.12 | fungus | So you are looking for you own IP? |
| 18:37.16 | fungus | ipchicken.com |
| 18:38.00 | fungus | that will tell you your external IP address |
| 18:38.18 | unum | host sirverwolfweb.net from the other server |
| 18:38.42 | unum | or from any computer on a different network from your server |
| 18:41.36 | DexterTheDragon | ping silverwolfweb.net |
| 18:41.41 | DexterTheDragon | PING silverwolfweb.net (72.47.211.71) |
| 18:41.51 | mindjuju | ping dexterthedragon |
| 18:42.00 | mindjuju | darn |
| 18:42.03 | redroy | Hmm... I think I'm confusing the question. I have a server A that needs to connect to server B via soap (nusoap to .net) Server B has strict firewall settings and I need to make sure that I provide the IP that will be coming through when server A tries to connect. I thought I gave it to them but I'm still unable to connect so I'm trying to double-check myself |
| 18:42.04 | DexterTheDragon | host down |
| 18:42.21 | redroy | That's the one I gave 'em... DexterTheDragon |
| 18:42.33 | fungus | redroy: ipchicken.com |
| 18:42.49 | mindjuju | so all you sys admins in the house, i got a question |
| 18:43.02 | fungus | from your server, visit ipchicken.com (curl, lynx, wget, whatever) |
| 18:43.12 | mindjuju | so, while i've setup a few ubuntu email servers, this is my first production LAMP server |
| 18:43.16 | mindjuju | and I want to do things right |
| 18:43.29 | fungus | That will give you the definitive IP your server's outgoing connections are coming from. |
| 18:43.34 | redroy | fungus, ah I see. I'll do that. Thanks |
| 18:43.35 | mindjuju | so, my question is this, Who should own the www folder? |
| 18:44.03 | DexterTheDragon | usually apache does |
| 18:44.07 | fungus | NO! |
| 18:44.10 | fungus | don't do that |
| 18:44.12 | DexterTheDragon | heh |
| 18:44.31 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:44.31 | DexterTheDragon | I said /usually/ |
| 18:44.40 | fungus | Either root, or a developer should own the files in there |
| 18:45.16 | fungus | Only have apache (www, www-data, etc) own files/directories that it must have permission to modify |
| 18:47.51 | fungus | hehe |
| 18:48.03 | fungus | ch = change |
| 18:48.07 | fungus | own = owner |
| 18:48.08 | PoeticIntensity | chattinooga hotdog? |
| 18:48.20 | fungus | chgrp = change group |
| 18:48.24 | fungus | very simple stuff |
| 18:48.29 | PoeticIntensity | lies. |
| 18:48.41 | PoeticIntensity | aaaaallllll lies! |
| 18:48.42 | DexterTheDragon | unix used to be limited to 5 character long names |
| 18:48.58 | PoeticIntensity | so did your mom. |
| 18:49.01 | PoeticIntensity | OOOHHHHH!!!!! |
| 18:49.04 | fungus | lol |
| 18:49.07 | DexterTheDragon | so's your face |
| 18:49.10 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL |
| 18:49.24 | PoeticIntensity | ok..... must ..... regain ..... sanity.... |
| 18:53.51 | mindjuju | ~chown++ |
| 18:53.53 | herlo | don't do it |
| 18:53.58 | herlo | it's a trap!! |
| 18:55.17 | PoeticIntensity | ugh.... forgot to cast the sub-select results as an integer.... |
| 18:55.20 | PoeticIntensity | at least I hope that's the problem. |
| 18:55.56 | PoeticIntensity | oh... and for the record... I'd recommend not trying the "Tacos at Midnight" brand Doritos.... |
| 18:56.05 | PoeticIntensity | not even close to Nacho Cheese. |
| 18:56.21 | PoeticIntensity | in "yumminess" |
| 18:57.06 | redroy | Thanks, fungus. Id a quick curl as suggested and validated what I needed. Peace. |
| 18:57.52 | mindjuju | poeticintensity, so you're saying those dorittos chips aren't NEARLY "kick-in-the-crotch" good times? http://www.japannewbie.com/images/journal/denki_anma/denki_anma.jpg |
| 18:58.23 | PoeticIntensity | hehehe.... Why yes.. That's precisely what I'm saying. |
| 18:58.46 | mindjuju | i MUST get me a bag |
| 18:58.55 | mindjuju | that is the supreme geek trophy |
| 18:59.17 | mindjuju | anybody looking for a DBA position |
| 18:59.24 | mindjuju | brasto, do you do dba? |
| 18:59.37 | mindjuju | ~apb eggyknap |
| 18:59.38 | ibot | ACTION hires Dog the Bounty Hunter to spray mace at eggyknap |
| 18:59.46 | eggyknap | hrm? |
| 18:59.55 | eggyknap | brasto is the UDBUG founder |
| 19:00.03 | mindjuju | anybody in UDBUG looking for DBA? |
| 19:00.13 | mindjuju | yeah, just bumped him |
| 19:01.27 | eggyknap | I wish we were -- getting busy here. Someone that built themselves some postgres geek cred might convince us to hire them anyway |
| 19:02.21 | mindjuju | oh, gotcha |
| 19:02.24 | mindjuju | no meant the other way |
| 19:02.32 | mindjuju | ie, i have somebody looking for a DBA |
| 19:02.56 | mindjuju | it's in West Valley |
| 19:03.19 | eggyknap | Oh, gotcha. What DB? |
| 19:04.02 | mindjuju | doesn't say, it's an email, but he does say industry is healthcare |
| 19:04.18 | mindjuju | i hear healthcare is stable year-round |
| 19:04.25 | mindjuju | as far as employers go |
| 19:04.38 | DexterTheDragon | until its taken over by the government! |
| 19:04.52 | DexterTheDragon | hehehe |
| 19:05.04 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:05.18 | mindjuju | anybody interested in more info let me know |
| 19:07.09 | herlo | mindjuju: which company is it? Is it Backcountry? |
| 19:07.24 | herlo | mindjuju: because we have something like that need |
| 19:08.05 | mindjuju | i'm not sure, it's a headhunter that i know |
| 19:10.05 | herlo | okay, I wonder if BC has put something out |
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| 19:15.21 | mgeary | what's the fastest/easist way to fake https on your localhost? i have some code that redirects to a secure web root for sensitive pages, but want to test it on my local machine |
| 19:15.46 | mgeary | i don't care about a valid cert |
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| 19:21.14 | mindjuju | mgeary, while i don't remember the exact string fungus used in his preso, i do remember that was a string that created an SSL cert |
| 19:21.19 | mindjuju | here is the vid for it |
| 19:21.20 | mindjuju | http://uphpu.org/category/presentations/ |
| 19:21.25 | mindjuju | it's about halfwy down |
| 19:21.44 | mindjuju | SSL + Apache |
| 19:22.35 | fungus | openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -sha1 -days 365 -key host.key > host.cert |
| 19:23.18 | fungus | err, close but not quite |
| 19:24.52 | mindjuju | ~fungus++ |
| 19:27.44 | fungus | openssl req -new -newkey rsa:1024 -days 365 -nodes -x509 -keyout domain.key > domain.crt |
| 19:28.00 | fungus | That one will generate a key, and self-signed cert in one step |
| 19:28.15 | mgeary | nice |
| 19:47.24 | macnewbold | save it in a makefile if you like... |
| 19:47.26 | macnewbold | very hand |
| 19:47.26 | macnewbold | y |
| 19:48.52 | mindjuju | ~wiki makefile |
| 20:54.20 | itimber | hey fungus.... thx for the openssl command... very nice! |
| 20:57.48 | herlo | itimber: you can do much more with openssl, include create md5 passwords :) |
| 20:58.09 | itimber | oh nice |
| 20:58.25 | itimber | linux++ |
| 20:58.33 | itimber | ~linux++ |
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| 21:09.19 | carmony | nothing like dumbing 10 GB fo data in a table, and THEN remembering you forgot to add an index |
| 21:09.26 | carmony | dumping* |
| 21:09.37 | mgeary | ouch |
| 21:09.40 | mgeary | that's gotta hurt |
| 21:41.44 | mgeary | quiet day |
| 21:43.21 | DexterTheDragon | that's cause its 62 degrees |
| 21:44.04 | DexterTheDragon | everyones a little frozen |
| 21:44.15 | mgeary | 62 degrees and sunny is perfect |
| 21:44.43 | DexterTheDragon | its a little shocking after being 90 |
| 21:44.57 | stderr | 'sperfect |
| 21:45.24 | mgeary | ~admire stderr's dark socks and sandals |
| 21:45.24 | ibot | ACTION secretly and androgynously wishes it were just like stderr's dark socks and sandals |
| 21:45.40 | DexterTheDragon | I'm loving it, just made it a little hard to crawl out of bed this morning |
| 21:45.58 | stderr | psh, 200 dollar trail running shoes and short hiking socks, y'mean |
| 21:46.31 | carmony | weeee, data conversions are so fun! :P |
| 21:50.18 | itimber | I'm out guys... later |
| 21:53.01 | jsmith | carmony: You mean the "ancient oriental art of data massage"? |
| 21:53.23 | stderr | whoo. I read that as "ancient oral art.." at first |
| 21:54.20 | carmony | LOL |
| 22:05.41 | mgeary | okay, fungus smarty-pants |
| 22:05.47 | mgeary | here's one for ya |
| 22:06.14 | mgeary | i want to build a script that will restart a service on a server |
| 22:06.41 | mgeary | however, due to some screwiness with how Apple has locked down some of their CoreGraphics routines, the service needs to be run from within an instance of screen |
| 22:07.08 | mgeary | so, manually, i ssh in, type "screen -R", and then do the restart. Any way to do that all automatically with a script? |
| 22:07.44 | fungus | ssh hostname screen cmdtorestart args |
| 22:08.47 | Utah_Dave | ~fungus++ |
| 22:12.56 | mgeary | ah, but that doesn't work |
| 22:12.57 | mgeary | "Must be connected to a terminal." |
| 22:13.15 | mgeary | give me credit for at least trying the obvious... ;) |
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| 22:16.01 | fungus | If cmdtorestart requires a terminal I don't know of any other way to handle it. |
| 22:21.08 | mgeary | well, it's apache |
| 22:21.31 | mgeary | but it has to be started by a user that stays logged in, or else it loses access to Apple's CG stuff |
| 22:21.36 | mgeary | which drives me crazy |
| 22:25.43 | SunSparc | Any other MacPorts users here? |
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| 22:27.07 | SunSparc | I upgraded to Snow Leopard and it killed my previous php setup. So I decided to give MacPorts a try. I installed php with apache and mysql. |
| 22:27.29 | SunSparc | Apache is serving pages, but any .php file does not compile and just shows text. |
| 22:27.48 | SunSparc | I have the AddType line for the mod_php in the conf. |
| 22:28.00 | macnewbold | mgeary: if you take screen out of the commandline, it might work |
| 22:28.12 | SunSparc | I have set this up so many times, I know what I am doing, but for some reason this install is not |
| 22:28.12 | macnewbold | also, you might be able to do ssh -t hostname screen cmdtorestart args |
| 22:28.14 | macnewbold | and have it work |
| 22:28.25 | macnewbold | because -t will force it to allocate a pty pseudo termina |
| 22:28.26 | macnewbold | l |
| 22:28.52 | mindjuju | ~lart macnewbold and his pseudo-terminal |
| 22:28.52 | ibot | shoots macnewbold and his pseudo-terminal in his sleep |
| 22:34.08 | Utah_Dave | Hey, fungus. Sorry, one more question about rsync'ing an ubuntu repo. Xmission's ubuntu repo is at http://mirror.xmission.com/ubuntu/ Do I rsync at that level? Or do I start at one of the subfolders there? |
| 22:34.32 | herlo | Utah_Dave: I think they have an rsync server too |
| 22:34.36 | fungus | right at that level |
| 22:34.55 | Utah_Dave | herlo: yeah, they do have an rsync server. That's what I was trying |
| 22:35.12 | herlo | Utah_Dave: but you put http |
| 22:35.23 | herlo | Utah_Dave: if it's rsync, it would be rsync:// |
| 22:35.30 | Utah_Dave | OK, thanks fungus. I didn't want accidentally start a 5 terabyte download |
| 22:35.39 | fungus | hehe, understood |
| 22:35.57 | Utah_Dave | herlo: I know, I just put that as a reference to see inside easily |
| 22:36.00 | fungus | I add some excludes on my rsync to keep out ppc and sparc |
| 22:36.07 | herlo | Utah_Dave: ahh, k |
| 22:36.31 | Utah_Dave | fungus: which folders would I exclude for that? |
| 22:36.46 | fungus | just --exclude *powerpc* |
| 22:37.01 | fungus | They are mixed in the pool, but are named properly |
| 22:37.44 | fungus | if you have no 64bit you could also exclude amd64 |
| 22:37.59 | Utah_Dave | Oh, OK. I see that now. All the types are right in the folder for each piece of software |
| 22:38.07 | fungus | exactly |
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| 23:00.53 | Utah_Dave | thanks again, fungus |
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| 23:09.41 | mindjuju | DtD |
| 23:09.48 | mindjuju | dexterthedragon, you around? |
| 23:10.01 | mindjuju | ravetrax is redeeming itself by playing some totally awesome music |
| 23:12.35 | carmony | lol, how about trying pandora mindjuju? |
| 23:12.52 | mindjuju | no way |
| 23:13.05 | mindjuju | pandora is a freaky app that feeds on your brain |
| 23:13.21 | mindjuju | and plays musicz to keep you sedated while it feeds on you |
| 23:13.44 | mindjuju | it's like that one xfiles with the psychotropic mushrooms that ate humons |
| 23:13.50 | mindjuju | VERY much that way |
| 23:13.52 | fungus | I like my big library with shuffle. |
| 23:14.17 | mindjuju | i've got some great stuff in my library from optikal and others |
| 23:14.33 | mindjuju | but the problem is that it gets stale after a while |
| 23:14.34 | mindjuju | techno MUST be fresh |
| 23:14.59 | fungus | ah, yes. techno gets old after about 40 seconds. |
| 23:14.59 | carmony | techno has a short shelf life? :P |
| 23:15.17 | mindjuju | @fungus - ur mean |
| 23:15.19 | optikal | mindjuju: Have the latest IM album? |
| 23:15.34 | mindjuju | optikal -- don't! |
| 23:16.07 | carmony | lol, here is the problem with techno: Its 4 times a long as normal songs, and 4 times as repetitive as a normal song. That means 1 listen for techno == 4 listens for a reg. song. You burn out a lot quicker :P |
| 23:16.13 | optikal | mindjuju: http://optikal.org/music/2009-Infected%20Mushroom%20-Legend%20of%20the%20Black%20Shawarma.7z |
| 23:16.21 | mindjuju | @carmony, its much like fresh orange juice v canned juice |
| 23:16.31 | mindjuju | canned works for a while, but fresh is so much better |
| 23:16.39 | fungus | carmony: your math is wrong. 4 times 4 = 16 times |
| 23:17.24 | fungus | techno gets stale faster than ice melts in the sahara |
| 23:17.37 | mindjuju | thx optikal! |
| 23:17.44 | optikal | np |
| 23:18.40 | mindjuju | @fungus and carmony, traditionally on albums, there is such discontinuity between songs, i find myself scrambling to readapt to the music every 2 or 3 minutes |
| 23:19.07 | mindjuju | like classical music, techno is a single expression: a wave, a flow |
| 23:19.22 | fungus | Woot, XKCD Volume 0 shipped |
| 23:19.31 | mindjuju | it varies, it's true, from time to time, but it is 1 solid piece |
| 23:22.08 | mindjuju | in case you're wondering, i'm writing a paper on Sex Ed in Utah, so that's why my answers are long in the tooth |
| 23:23.37 | unum | mindjuju: have you been following the current legislative efforts? |
| 23:24.09 | unum | I'm really bothered by the "old people know more about teenage sex than teenagers" comment by the PTA president |
| 23:24.51 | optikal | mindjuju: Also, on that subject, if you ever want recommends based on something you can list me let me know.. or vice versa, if you hear something I've sent you and have something similar that's awesome |
| 23:25.07 | optikal | <3 new music. |
| 23:25.34 | mindjuju | will do optikal :) |
| 23:26.02 | mindjuju | unum, i haven't -- going back to school has sucked up all my free time |
| 23:26.05 | optikal | Also, http://www.last.fm/user/optikal |
| 23:26.10 | mindjuju | got a URL? |
| 23:30.19 | unum | mindjuju: http://www.sltrib.com/ci_13212084 |
| 23:31.08 | mindjuju | awesome! thx |
| 23:34.47 | carmony | What do you you tink about Sex Ed in Utah mindjuju? :P |
| 23:36.02 | mindjuju | i'll tell ya in an hour, i should have a sturdy thesis by then |
| 23:36.06 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:36.13 | mindjuju | right now... research |
| 23:36.15 | mindjuju | and tons of it |
| 23:37.44 | fungus | IMHO, sex education should be done by parents. However parents have failed. Evidence in the rising teen pregnancy/STD cases. |
| 23:38.03 | fungus | Now the schools have to take over to prevent the health hazards. |
| 23:38.47 | mindjuju | well, i don't know if the failure is really statewide necessitating intervention |
| 23:38.52 | mindjuju | on the other hand right now, i'm concerned the abstinence class doesn't cover STDs |
| 23:39.07 | fungus | Yeah, that is a big problem too. |
| 23:39.10 | mindjuju | i want to read more on what exactly is covered |
| 23:39.43 | mindjuju | i'm like 90% that we covered STDs in health back in Houston in 92 |
| 23:40.17 | mindjuju | all the biggies, AIDS, herpes, gonorrhea (thx spell check!), etc |
| 23:40.52 | carmony | I never knew a single person in high school who had sex based soley on the fact they knew how to use concraception :P |
| 23:41.50 | carmony | never were they like "Oh, so thats how I use a condom, now I feel confident enough to engage in sexual acts with my girl friend" |
| 23:42.03 | mindjuju | v true |
| 23:42.17 | mindjuju | on the other hand, i don't know how to say this politely so i'm not going to worry that much |
| 23:42.24 | mindjuju | but condoms aren't exactly that hard to figure out |
| 23:42.31 | mindjuju | and if you need a class to learn you how to use it |
| 23:42.32 | fungus | heh, true. |
| 23:42.33 | mindjuju | somethings wrong |
| 23:42.38 | carmony | LOL, true ;) |
| 23:42.59 | mindjuju | on the other hand, some lubricants that aren't made to be used with condoms can destroy them |
| 23:43.01 | fungus | But kids need to learn that they are an option, though not 100% effective. There is still danger |
| 23:43.04 | mindjuju | so, there are some finer things |
| 23:43.16 | fungus | Most kids don't even know their options. |
| 23:43.27 | fungus | which is why they are screwing with nothing |
| 23:43.38 | mindjuju | nah |
| 23:43.47 | mindjuju | i'm going to say 99.9 percent know what a condom is |
| 23:43.54 | mindjuju | even among the most devote |
| 23:44.01 | fungus | How many know what spermicide is? |
| 23:44.15 | mindjuju | sperm + icide |
| 23:44.19 | fungus | how to use birth control pills properly and their risks |
| 23:44.27 | fungus | You get it, but idiot teenagers? |
| 23:44.28 | mindjuju | icide -- root latin for kill 'em dead |
| 23:44.38 | fungus | You are smart, teens are not. |
| 23:44.41 | mindjuju | suicide - kill yourself dead |
| 23:44.46 | fungus | they need it spelled out. |
| 23:44.56 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:45.06 | mindjuju | yeah, there are some finer points |
| 23:45.25 | mindjuju | like was saying above, some people use the wrong stuff and weaken condoms, etc |
| 23:45.38 | fungus | Right. that info needs to be disseminated |
| 23:45.54 | fungus | Right next to the talk about washing your hands. |
| 23:46.04 | fungus | Too bad parents are failing (on average) |
| 23:46.07 | mindjuju | well, as high schoolers aren't the only ones that are using condoms, maybe they should put it on the box |
| 23:46.12 | mindjuju | like surgeon general warning |
| 23:46.18 | mindjuju | rofl |
| 23:46.32 | fungus | Put the warning on the kids "parts" |
| 23:46.37 | fungus | :) |
| 23:47.12 | fungus | "Use of this device is known to cause Children and other diseases" |
| 23:47.19 | mindjuju | heh |
| 23:49.34 | fungus | What's wrong with parents these days? They'll tell their kids to put on a jacket so they don't "catch cold", but won't tell them ways to reduce risk of children and disease. |
| 23:50.25 | fungus | "Wash your hands, Billy, you don't want to get sick" |
| 23:50.57 | fungus | erg. I get annoyed at all that. |
| 23:52.02 | fungus | almost techno... |
