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| 03:17.59 | wps | thanks, DexterTheDragon |
| 03:18.01 | wps | was testing on 7 |
| 03:18.09 | wps | going to try upgrading to 8 |
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| 14:51.41 | macnewbold | early registration deadline for UTOSC 2009 is almost here! Let me know if you need a 50% off code... |
| 14:51.45 | macnewbold | http://dojo.codegreene.com/?p=314 |
| 14:51.58 | macnewbold | and everyone go post your stinkin' badges |
| 14:52.21 | macnewbold | attendee, speaker, sponsor, exhibitor, or volunteer, everyone can have a badge |
| 14:59.36 | *** topic/#UPHPU by macnewbold -> Meeting Tonight! 7p - Wade Shearer - Front-end Web Development using CSS | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
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| 16:02.55 | mgeary | quick, someone give me a couple of PHP questions that can be used to confirm someone's skill. not something super challenging |
| 16:03.01 | mgeary | something appropriate for intermediate |
| 16:03.10 | mgeary | i'm thinking maybe a regex question... |
| 16:03.15 | mgeary | what else might be good? |
| 16:03.24 | DexterTheDragon | regex isn't really php... |
| 16:03.33 | mgeary | i know |
| 16:03.43 | mgeary | i'm open to suggestions |
| 16:04.23 | mgeary | maybe an image resizing script... |
| 16:04.35 | DexterTheDragon | php -r '$data = "foobar"; $key = "test"; var_dump(isset($data[$key]));' |
| 16:04.44 | DexterTheDragon | have them explain why that does what it does :D |
| 16:05.00 | stderr | ask them why they're still using PHP. |
| 16:05.04 | mgeary | hahaha |
| 16:05.16 | mgeary | well, they'll be learning/improving python soon enough |
| 16:05.23 | mgeary | but we have a bunch of legacy code |
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| 16:10.45 | orsonj | mgeary: what is the difference between htmlspecialchars and htmlentities? |
| 16:11.11 | mgeary | meh. you can find the answer in .5 minutes on the PHP site.. |
| 16:11.18 | mgeary | i think i came up with something decent |
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| 16:12.10 | orsonj | right, and they would have done it already if they have done any good coding at all. |
| 16:12.42 | orsonj | or is this not an in person interview |
| 16:13.16 | mgeary | it's for a follow-up |
| 16:13.48 | orsonj | ah, well if you have what you need, good luck with the interviews |
| 16:14.26 | orsonj | might be good for a first interview, but yes it is rather trivial. |
| 16:14.51 | mgeary | thanks. it's been rocky. We've gotten a handful of applicants who are over-qualified (more than we can afford), a handful of under-qualified applicants, a few people who look good but aren't in a position to easily work in Orem... |
| 16:16.47 | orsonj | perhaps give a 20-30 line function and ask for suggestions on ways to improve it. |
| 16:17.04 | mgeary | not bad |
| 16:17.18 | orsonj | You can even get your source material from the php site |
| 16:17.43 | orsonj | That way they don't think you are getting free consulting. |
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| 16:41.45 | DexterTheDragon | found more php awesome: php -r 'printf("$%0.2f", array(0));' |
| 16:46.25 | cycokilr | i don't get it |
| 16:51.27 | orsonj | (float) array(0) == count(array(0)) |
| 16:52.16 | orsonj | wait nevermind |
| 16:52.38 | DexterTheDragon | yeah |
| 16:55.34 | orsonj | ah, (float) array() isn't explicitly defined, so, it just does something. |
| 16:55.46 | orsonj | well, (int) array() anyhow. |
| 16:56.52 | orsonj | I wonder if you could make a script that would display the version number of php based on checking weird edge cases. |
| 16:57.34 | DexterTheDragon | its from php's asinine "any var type can magically go to a different type". An array just happens to be 1 in crazy land |
| 16:57.52 | stderr | weak typing :( |
| 16:58.20 | DexterTheDragon | does anyone know any other languages that are weak typed like php? |
| 16:58.49 | cycokilr | english |
| 16:59.00 | mgeary | applescript |
| 16:59.03 | mgeary | lingo |
| 17:00.41 | jtsnow | javascript :P |
| 17:00.47 | DexterTheDragon | javascript isn't weak typed like that |
| 17:01.01 | orsonj | http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aphp.net+inurl%3Amanual+undefined |
| 17:01.26 | DexterTheDragon | it will complain in some places if not given the right thing |
| 17:01.51 | DexterTheDragon | like if you try to use a string as a number it will give you NaN |
| 17:02.03 | DexterTheDragon | whereas php will give you 0 or a number, depends |
| 17:03.46 | jtsnow | ah |
| 17:05.04 | jtsnow | Guess it depends what you mean by 'like php' as some implicit type conversions behave the same and some don't |
| 17:06.17 | DexterTheDragon | php weak types in a way that your code will work just fine, you just get a strange result |
| 17:06.28 | DexterTheDragon | javascripts type conversions usually cause an error |
| 17:08.56 | stderr | DexterTheDragon: I can think of nothing that has the same terrible weak typing system or even something similar. Of course, most other languages are designed by -- computer scientists and language designers. Imagine. |
| 17:09.47 | DexterTheDragon | stderr: yeah that was my conclusion. the closest thing I could think of was the way mysql does some strange implict type conversions |
| 17:20.27 | fungus | perl |
| 17:21.08 | fungus | though it's conversions don't seem quite as bad as that. |
| 17:27.29 | jsmith | Well, that is until February 30th comes around :-p |
| 17:28.12 | jsmith | (or my personal favorite... The -1st of March) |
| 17:29.23 | stderr | jsmith: lulz |
| 17:50.38 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 17:50.39 | ibot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking pelaofeliz's head off |
| 18:05.31 | mgeary | so, how do i set up visudo so that a password isn't required when i do things like "sudo /path/to/apachectl restart" ? |
| 18:06.56 | DexterTheDragon | # Uncomment to allow members of group sudo to not need a password |
| 18:06.56 | DexterTheDragon | # (Note that later entries override this, so you might need to move |
| 18:06.57 | DexterTheDragon | # it further down) |
| 18:06.57 | DexterTheDragon | # %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 18:07.14 | mindjuju | greets all |
| 18:07.34 | mindjuju | just a kind reminder that we have UPHPU meeting tonight |
| 18:07.44 | mindjuju | and UPHPU afterhours partay |
| 18:09.45 | cycokilr | you might want to think about limiting the no password commands though.. using ALL could be pretty dangerous.. |
| 18:10.21 | cycokilr | kinda defeats a lot of the reason for not logging in as root directly.. |
| 18:14.48 | fungus | usernameALL= NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 18:15.18 | mgeary | fungus: and if i want it to apply to other (but not all) commands? |
| 18:15.43 | fungus | just add a comma at the end and keep specifying more |
| 18:16.13 | mgeary | great, th anks |
| 18:17.01 | fungus | you can use Aliases to simplify things if they too unruly using this one line |
| 18:17.22 | fungus | man sudoers |
| 18:17.42 | mgeary | psh. read the docs? hah |
| 18:18.13 | fungus | lol |
| 18:27.12 | mindjuju | stderr -- you around? |
| 18:28.12 | stderr | sup |
| 18:29.27 | mindjuju | so i'm wondering, is it possible to have a web page load on a client computer and it say what ports are available for the client to use in access internet based resources? |
| 18:29.36 | mindjuju | or discern how restictive the firewall is |
| 18:29.42 | mgeary | nmap |
| 18:29.56 | mindjuju | yeah, but i can't load nmap on these guy's computers |
| 18:30.06 | mgeary | though these days an nmap scan can set you up for a lawsuit |
| 18:30.09 | mindjuju | i *might* be able to get a java applet |
| 18:30.12 | stderr | mindjuju: hm |
| 18:30.21 | mindjuju | and it has to be from the client out, not from the outside in |
| 18:30.28 | mgeary | ah |
| 18:30.30 | mgeary | that's your dealbreaker |
| 18:31.00 | stderr | dunno. little busy, I'll work it over in the back of my mind. |
| 18:31.09 | mindjuju | k, thx |
| 18:35.29 | mgeary | mindjuju: i don't see how you could possibly initiate a port scan from a user's computer without running some sort of executable |
| 18:36.01 | mgeary | (short of something like a java applet) |
| 18:37.26 | stderr | I would schedule a task nightly that ran nmap off of a central computer, parsed the output into html, then put on a shared directory. |
| 18:38.02 | stderr | you can output nmap into XML via -oX which should make it easier to dump into a html file. |
| 18:38.31 | mgeary | but he wants the scan to be run from the client machine |
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| 18:41.38 | mindjuju | well, ALL BE |
| 18:41.43 | mindjuju | designsimply |
| 18:41.52 | mindjuju | or wait, what was your other name? |
| 18:42.04 | mindjuju | web mistress, something like that |
| 18:42.16 | mindjuju | how's NY? |
| 18:42.30 | DexterTheDragon | its swb |
| 18:42.46 | mindjuju | yeah, but she had a onjoin something when she logged in |
| 18:43.01 | mindjuju | remember,it was something like, everybody suck in your stomachs case webmistress was here |
| 18:43.10 | stderr | yar |
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| 18:43.30 | mindjuju | heh |
| 18:43.31 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:45.16 | designsimply | mindjuju: hi :) |
| 18:45.16 | designsimply | NY is good, but I miss SLC |
| 18:46.10 | mindjuju | designsimply, did you ever get internet at your house or do you still have to drive like a billion miles to the enarest coffee shop? |
| 18:46.33 | designsimply | ha, got internet, but today I'm at the Koffee Kat |
| 18:51.39 | fungus | http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/javascript-port-scanner/ |
| 18:52.38 | mindjuju | awesome! |
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| 18:59.46 | mgeary_ | ~rlart |
| 18:59.47 | ibot | hauls mindjuju up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
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| 19:13.56 | mindjuju | for those of you so stressed out you think you'll scream, this is for you |
| 19:13.57 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno&feature=player_embedded |
| 19:14.28 | mindjuju | for never was there geek that could watch this and not smile |
| 19:16.12 | utahcon | gotta be geeky, and good. |
| 19:16.17 | utahcon | prizes are on the line. |
| 19:19.34 | mgeary | jeeze, is that coming up already?! |
| 19:20.32 | unum | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaWU1CmrJNc |
| 19:20.42 | unum | if you're going to talk about pirates you need to send THAT link |
| 19:22.25 | mindjuju | unum - q curious |
| 19:24.18 | mindjuju | my sis in law likes veggie tales |
| 19:24.28 | mindjuju | and some guy named barry the batman |
| 19:24.31 | mindjuju | or something like that |
| 19:24.44 | mindjuju | cucumber + batman kind of guy |
| 19:25.45 | unum | larry's a cucumber |
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