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| 01:16.49 | mgeary | gah |
| 01:16.52 | mgeary | who's all around? |
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| 14:03.30 | itimber | morning guys |
| 14:05.24 | Utah_Dave | morning! |
| 14:36.19 | brasto | moanin |
| 14:36.26 | brasto | ~ftw |
| 14:36.27 | ibot | For The Win! |
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| 16:30.21 | Komerad | hi, is this the place to ask a php/mysql related question? |
| 16:31.10 | unum | yes |
| 16:32.15 | Komerad | ohk cool |
| 16:32.32 | Komerad | is there a limit on query arguments. |
| 16:32.35 | Komerad | ? |
| 16:33.07 | unum | generally you just pass one argument |
| 16:33.17 | unum | the query |
| 16:33.28 | unum | maybe I'm misunderstanding you |
| 16:33.35 | Komerad | mysql_query("UPDATE table SET field1='$1', field2='$2',... |
| 16:33.57 | Komerad | I try to update 14 fields this way |
| 16:34.11 | Komerad | only the 5 first get updated in mysql |
| 16:34.35 | Komerad | so I wonder if there is a limit of 5 or i have another problem :) |
| 16:34.53 | undertakingyou | Komerad: I update sometimes 2 dozen fields using that command. It isn't a limitation there. |
| 16:36.13 | Komerad | Ohk thx for the info, I need to look further then |
| 16:36.14 | orsonj | perhaps a missing quote, or an unescaped variable |
| 16:36.34 | unum | interesting that you would see 5 change and not the others |
| 16:36.54 | unum | I find it helpful to out put the exact query |
| 16:37.20 | unum | $sql="UPDATE table SET field1='$1',..... |
| 16:37.22 | Komerad | case sensitive |
| 16:37.23 | unum | echo 4sql |
| 16:37.26 | Komerad | :) |
| 16:37.28 | Komerad | solved |
| 16:37.43 | Komerad | some things aint some are so it seems |
| 16:37.54 | Komerad | I'm familiar with c++ |
| 16:38.11 | unum | names are case sensitive |
| 16:38.18 | unum | key words are not |
| 16:39.19 | Komerad | roger |
| 16:43.05 | mgeary | ~lart week-long DNS TTL entries |
| 16:43.05 | ibot | whacks week-long DNS TTL entries with a giant beaver's tail |
| 17:14.43 | fungus | ~lart ultra-short DNS TTL entries |
| 17:14.43 | ibot | slams ultra-short DNS TTL entries against a large cement Tux |
| 17:15.32 | herlo | we like 60 second TTLs here at backcountry. Drives me insane |
| 17:15.37 | mgeary | wow |
| 17:16.14 | mgeary | ours are all set to 1 hour, which makes things much easier than 24-hours or longer, imo |
| 17:19.32 | mindjuju | fungus, weren't you the one who was telling me how cool ZFS is? |
| 17:19.59 | DexterTheDragon | no he hates zfs |
| 17:20.08 | mindjuju | oh |
| 17:20.10 | DexterTheDragon | thinks its the only bad thing of solaris |
| 17:20.24 | fungus | 24 hours is the polite standard for TTLs, other than temporary use. |
| 17:20.35 | fungus | lol |
| 17:20.39 | DexterTheDragon | ~rib mindjuju |
| 17:20.40 | ibot | ACTION sharpens her elbows and jabs them playfully into mindjuju's ribs, "i'm just sayin'!" |
| 17:20.44 | mindjuju | curious, it is listed as a feature here |
| 17:20.55 | fungus | zfs is really cool. |
| 17:21.45 | fungus | herlo: 60 second TTL is just cruel, makes all your users suffer. |
| 17:22.11 | herlo | yes |
| 17:22.12 | herlo | I know |
| 17:22.29 | fungus | 86400 is the kind thing to do. |
| 17:23.17 | herlo | yes, I agree |
| 17:23.19 | fungus | since all changes should have at least 1 day notice this shouldn't be a problem |
| 17:23.24 | herlo | I have a lot that are 14400 too |
| 17:23.31 | herlo | which I am okay with in certain situations |
| 17:23.53 | fungus | yeah, there are always exceptions, but 60 seconds. that's mean |
| 17:24.27 | fungus | I use 300 when preparing for a big change, but put it back after change has been tested. |
| 17:25.40 | herlo | I put it at around 10 minutes |
| 17:25.43 | herlo | so yeah, I understand |
| 17:26.41 | fungus | hrm, I get distracted easily. Now what was I doing before...? |
| 17:27.03 | DexterTheDragon | fungus: railing against zfs |
| 17:27.04 | fungus | Oh yeah, trying to connect to Kanye West's blog to read his apology. |
| 17:29.37 | mindjuju | those award ceremonies have been loosing viewers for years |
| 17:30.27 | fungus | nah, the Bruno thing was staged. I think the Kanye thing was real. Taylor Swift really looked hurt. |
| 17:30.42 | mindjuju | just kidding on that |
| 17:30.52 | mindjuju | i just barely saw the vid this orning |
| 17:31.11 | mgeary | what happened? |
| 17:32.23 | mindjuju | mgeary, trying to find you the vid |
| 17:32.48 | fungus | on the MTV VMAs Kanye took over the stage when Taylor won, and said it shoulda been Beyonce |
| 17:33.28 | Komerad | @mgeary is myactiverecord common used? |
| 17:33.50 | mgeary | Komerad: dunno. i have my own that i use |
| 17:34.01 | mgeary | but once you use an ActiveRecord pattern, you never look back |
| 17:34.44 | mindjuju | mgeary - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvR8lFfYdDw |
| 17:35.15 | Komerad | ohk i'll look into it |
| 17:56.55 | mindjuju | anybody here have a blackberry? |
| 17:57.30 | fungus | I have "access" to blackberrys |
| 17:57.57 | mindjuju | so fungus, i'm goign to ask you a gross, disturbing question that you prolly don't want to answer, but here it goes |
| 17:58.05 | mindjuju | do blackberry's handle HTML emails well? |
| 17:58.13 | macnewbold | translation: fungus has a bot network of blackberries he controls |
| 17:58.34 | mindjuju | i've got to find a way to get our promo to appear on blackberries reliably, and i uh, don't own one |
| 17:58.39 | fungus | macnewbold: yes, I do. |
| 17:58.42 | fungus | :) |
| 17:59.03 | mindjuju | but from what i hear about blackberries, a myriad of data plans, etc |
| 17:59.03 | fungus | mindjuju: in the most recent OS version they handle it ok. |
| 17:59.10 | mindjuju | it sounds like the best way is text only |
| 17:59.39 | fungus | text only is *always* the best way. |
| 18:00.05 | fungus | but sometimes silly marketing types get insistent, |
| 18:00.13 | mindjuju | yeah, true that |
| 18:00.16 | mindjuju | i wonder |
| 18:00.31 | mindjuju | is there a CSS provision for mobile devices? |
| 18:01.27 | mindjuju | oh wait, yeah, i'm going to say text only |
| 18:01.35 | fungus | blackberry >=4.5 does html pretty good. |
| 18:01.50 | DexterTheDragon | html email should always be done in html3 |
| 18:02.12 | fungus | In general keep html in an email very simple. |
| 18:02.49 | fungus | blackberry <4.5 sucks pretty bad, and theres a ton of blackberrys <4.5 |
| 18:46.57 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 18:46.58 | ibot | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags macnewbold into court suing for $200 million |
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| 19:28.33 | itimber | what's worse? A $200 mm lawsuit or a bullet in the brain?? |
| 19:29.01 | mindjuju | depends on if you have life insurance |
| 19:29.39 | itimber | I guess the lawsuit could fail, whereas the bullet in the brain has a 0% fail rate |
| 19:29.49 | itimber | true |
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| 20:03.30 | fungus | bankruptcy > death |
| 20:04.06 | fungus | well... depends on your depression level |
| 20:38.55 | _psychic_ | woo anyone here at Omniture? |
| 20:39.23 | SunSparc | I think wps is. |
| 20:39.38 | _psychic_ | Or should I say... Adobe? |
| 20:40.07 | DexterTheDragon | s/wps is/wps was/ |
| 20:42.06 | jsmith | Actually, I quite enjoyed my time there |
| 20:42.15 | jsmith | It wasn't ideal, but it was a lot of fun |
| 20:42.26 | jsmith | _psychic_: Nobody expects a Spanish inquisition?!? |
| 20:42.45 | PoeticIntensity | hrm.... |
| 20:42.48 | PoeticIntensity | php question... |
| 20:42.49 | _psychic_ | Comfy chair? |
| 20:43.06 | PoeticIntensity | (sorry to interrupt) |
| 20:43.09 | PoeticIntensity | should this work? |
| 20:43.10 | PoeticIntensity | http://pastebin.com/m45094e16 |
| 20:43.30 | jsmith | _psychic_: I had a very comfy chair at Omniture... (in fact, it's the same model of chair I'm sitting on right now) |
| 20:43.37 | PoeticIntensity | I always thought PHP 5's encapsulation restricted the scope of a class to its own members and methods. |
| 20:43.51 | PoeticIntensity | (or properties and methods... I forget which terminology is which) |
| 20:43.58 | DexterTheDragon | PoeticIntensity: should work |
| 20:44.01 | PoeticIntensity | it does. |
| 20:44.03 | DexterTheDragon | the double echo is wrong |
| 20:44.07 | jsmith | I don't see why it wouldn't. |
| 20:44.12 | PoeticIntensity | hrm.... |
| 20:44.22 | DexterTheDragon | not a problem, just strange |
| 20:44.26 | PoeticIntensity | I thought functions outside the class were outside the scope of the class. |
| 20:44.36 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... it's strange... I wrote it to see if it would work. |
| 20:44.40 | PoeticIntensity | expecting that it wouldn't. |
| 20:44.42 | PoeticIntensity | and it did. |
| 20:44.50 | PoeticIntensity | so.... basically... |
| 20:45.06 | DexterTheDragon | its a global function |
| 20:45.09 | PoeticIntensity | any class can call any function outside of itself (if that function isn't inside another class) and it'll work? |
| 20:45.13 | PoeticIntensity | ah... |
| 20:45.28 | PoeticIntensity | so functions defined outside of a class are global... |
| 20:45.28 | DexterTheDragon | you can call a function inside another class if its static |
| 20:45.33 | PoeticIntensity | right. |
| 20:45.39 | DexterTheDragon | pretty much |
| 20:46.12 | PoeticIntensity | man... every time I think I'm getting this programming thing down (now that I've been doing it 7 years), I'm thrown a curve-ball. |
| 20:46.42 | PoeticIntensity | *grr* |
| 20:46.47 | PoeticIntensity | something about that rubs me the wrong way.. |
| 20:47.07 | PoeticIntensity | I thought encapsulation kept everything outside a class - outside the class's scope. |
| 20:47.17 | PoeticIntensity | but I guess not. |
| 20:48.09 | DexterTheDragon | PoeticIntensity: try this one on for size: php -r '$data = "foobar"; $key = "test"; var_dump(isset($data[$key]));' |
| 20:48.11 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: It's hard to know everything, especially when everything keeps changing and growing. |
| 20:48.28 | PoeticIntensity | DexterTheDragon, yeah... I've done that one... |
| 20:48.32 | PoeticIntensity | *bonk* |
| 20:48.36 | PoeticIntensity | that's insane. |
| 20:48.48 | PoeticIntensity | I guess my question is this... |
| 20:49.07 | PoeticIntensity | is PHP's behavior in this regard (my posted code snippet) considered normal in other languages? |
| 20:49.42 | PoeticIntensity | also, SunSparc, it was fun reading your tweets while you were on vacation... |
| 20:49.44 | PoeticIntensity | very, very cool. |
| 20:49.50 | PoeticIntensity | glad you had a great time. |
| 20:50.16 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: Thanks! I am glad you like them. It was a great time. |
| 20:50.40 | SunSparc | I highly suggest every take their significant other to Europe at some time or another. |
| 20:56.00 | Utah_Dave | I got my first Nagios server up and running! |
| 20:56.17 | Utah_Dave | It's monitoring itself, my laptop and an hp printer. |
| 20:59.28 | SunSparc | Less than a year old and already monitoring itself. You must be a proud parent. |
| 21:15.43 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: so if Nagios is monitoring itself, and Nagios goes down, is it able to send a notification? |
| 21:16.34 | tierra | haha |
| 21:17.18 | SunSparc | ~console Utah_Dave |
| 21:17.18 | ibot | ACTION gives Utah_Dave the consolation moose |
| 21:22.12 | orsonj | well, maybe if it only loses minor appendages, it can still send notification. |
| 21:24.16 | itimber | I'm out guys... later |
| 21:25.00 | utahcon | WTG Omniture! |
| 21:25.47 | mindjuju | ~wtf wtg |
| 21:25.55 | utahcon | Way To Go! |
| 21:25.58 | mindjuju | ah |
| 21:26.07 | utahcon | Omniture is being bought by Adobe for $1.8B |
| 21:26.13 | mindjuju | yeah, i saw |
| 21:26.18 | mindjuju | just didn't know what wtg was |
| 21:27.26 | orsonj | Sounds like a good fit. Tracking company merges with tracking technology company |
| 21:27.53 | utahcon | makes me wish I had taken that job a few years back |
| 21:28.12 | mindjuju | i have a friend there doing dba stuff |
| 21:28.40 | mindjuju | the sad thing is, i learned him all i know about databases 5 years ago |
| 21:28.57 | mindjuju | literally took him from, hey, stop that access stuff and here is MySQL |
| 21:29.04 | mindjuju | to stored procs, etc |
| 21:29.08 | mindjuju | ...sigh... |
| 21:29.28 | utahcon | my buddy is a lead in their marketing dept |
| 21:29.54 | mindjuju | i hear omniture is a fun place to work, too |
| 21:30.03 | mindjuju | halloween is suppose to be awesome |
| 21:30.15 | mindjuju | better than eBay, and eBay's halloween is way fun |
| 21:31.15 | mindjuju | k, back to work |
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| 21:45.45 | Jacob_Kerr | Anyone here familiar with rewritemap??? |
| 21:46.54 | SunSparc | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_rewrite.html |
| 21:48.24 | Jacob_Kerr | Yeah i have the following rewrite map: http://pastebin.com/d16fc3994. Such a simple thing but it just redirects back to the root level of the server for everything now. I have tested so many dif. examples. Is Xampp screwed or what? |
| 21:49.49 | SunSparc | Could be |
| 21:50.02 | Jacob_Kerr | If I put in: RewriteCond ${research_map:$1} >"" then nothing happens does that mean it's not reading my text file? I change the location on the text file and server crashes im almost positive it's finding the file. |
| 21:50.05 | fungus | Jacob_Kerr: your parens are around the whole URI |
| 21:50.24 | fungus | so your map file must match against the whole URI |
| 21:51.15 | Jacob_Kerr | K so /xampp/test/man /xampp/test/man2??? |
| 21:51.22 | fungus | if your map file contains "man man2", then you need to put parens only around the part that matches "man" |
| 21:52.05 | fungus | RewriteRule ^/xampp/test/(.*) /xampp/test/${mymapman:$1} |
| 21:52.40 | Jacob_Kerr | That will work you think :). Dude that would be awsome im excited. I'm going to try it now.. |
| 21:52.47 | fungus | think of ${mymapman:} as an array |
| 21:53.13 | fungus | mymapman is the array, the $1 is the index you are looking for, and the result is the second item in the file |
| 21:53.34 | Jacob_Kerr | Sweet. |
| 21:54.26 | Jacob_Kerr | That is giving me an infinite loop :( |
| 21:55.06 | fungus | hrm, it should. |
| 21:55.13 | Jacob_Kerr | should I put a ? at the end of ^/xampp/test/(.*)? |
| 21:55.40 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.19 | Jacob_Kerr | Is that for the text file? |
| 21:56.19 | fungus | No, you need to either rework your url structure, or pick a better regex to match urls that need to be rewritten |
| 21:56.40 | fungus | no it's the rewrite logic |
| 21:57.36 | fungus | man is rewritten to man2, then the new request for man2 is rewritten to "" since the lookup fails, then it repeats since you are always rewriting that URI |
| 21:58.08 | Jacob_Kerr | oh i c.. |
| 21:58.11 | Jacob_Kerr | makes sense |
| 21:58.35 | fungus | if you change the * to a plus it will enforce 1 or more characters after the /xampp/test/ |
| 21:58.45 | fungus | then it won't match /xampp/test/ |
| 21:58.58 | fungus | but that probably isn't what you want anyway |
| 21:59.23 | fungus | change the file to "man /xampp/nottest/man2" |
| 21:59.47 | fungus | then RewriteRule ^/xampp/test/(.*) ${mymapman:$1} |
| 22:00.22 | fungus | then requests to /xampp/test are redirect by map to a /xampp/nottest uri |
| 22:00.29 | fungus | that is an example |
| 22:00.49 | Jacob_Kerr | oh ok makes sense can i just do a test and redirect to letz says google.com |
| 22:02.48 | Jacob_Kerr | Heh now everything redirect back to the root of the server and it does not matter what folder i go to.. Makes no sense. |
| 22:03.52 | Jacob_Kerr | Maybe my test server is bugged. |
| 22:04.19 | fungus | RewriteLog might be a good help for debugging too. |
| 22:04.20 | fungus | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_rewrite.html#rewritelog |
| 22:05.02 | Jacob_Kerr | Sweet thanx |
| 22:07.47 | Jacob_Kerr | rewrite '/xampp/test/' -> '' |
| 22:07.57 | Jacob_Kerr | it's telling it to goto '' for some reason |
| 22:08.05 | Jacob_Kerr | no matter where i go. |
| 22:45.06 | mindjuju | sad casualties of the recession - http://consumerist.com/5358416/philadelphia-to-close-all-public-libraries-october-2nd |
| 22:46.48 | fungus | That is just horrible. |
| 22:47.12 | fungus | How in the hell could a city council possibly even consider that. |
| 22:49.54 | fungus | that got me soo angry. are they trying to dumb down america more than it already is?!?!?! |
| 22:50.37 | mindjuju | funny you say that, I was just thinking that Corban, my son, hits the library prolly twice weekly to get a huge stack of books |
| 22:50.46 | mindjuju | where would we go if ours close? |
| 22:51.09 | mindjuju | fungus, here, this will cheer you up |
| 22:51.10 | mindjuju | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1204486/Meet-Bebe-Gloton-breast-feeding-doll-comes-nipple-bra.html |
| 22:51.20 | mindjuju | be sure to be sitting down when you watch the video at the bottom |
| 22:51.22 | stderr | mindjuju: a privatized library? |
| 22:51.24 | stderr | hahahaha |
| 22:51.25 | stderr | HAHAHA |
| 22:51.31 | fungus | to your city representatives door, pound on the door and shove books up their ass! |
| 22:53.25 | fungus | mindjuju: eww. breast feeding doll. |
| 22:53.32 | fungus | talk about creepy |
| 22:53.35 | mgeary | well, i mean, come on now, the public libraries don't come close to paying for themselves |
| 22:53.52 | stderr | of course they don't. |
| 22:54.05 | mgeary | just another sign that our government can't run anything |
| 22:54.07 | fungus | They aren't supposed to! |
| 22:54.18 | mgeary | sheesh. and they want to run OUR HEALTHCARE??! |
| 22:54.19 | fungus | it's a public service |
| 22:54.31 | fungus | think police, firemen, schools, etc |
| 22:54.50 | fungus | does UDOT make the gov't money?? |
| 22:54.51 | mgeary | yes, our schools don't pay for themselves either. Get the guvernment out of schools! |
| 22:54.54 | stderr | firemen?! FIREMEN?! Psh, I don't trust the government to put out my burning house. |
| 22:55.29 | mgeary | i mean, librarians have NO INCENTIVE for excellence |
| 22:55.44 | fungus | Then why are they so excellent? |
| 22:55.52 | mgeary | well, clearly they can't be |
| 22:56.04 | fungus | could it be that they have other goals than just money? |
| 22:56.11 | mgeary | no, let's let the free market come in and THEN we'll see some really great libraries |
| 22:56.32 | stderr | Look, if I see more than 3 copies of the Fountainhead in a library, that place is getting burned to the ground. |
| 22:56.52 | mgeary | ^5 stderr, fungus |
| 22:57.21 | stderr | dang where'd mgeary learn the magic ^5? |
| 22:57.28 | stderr | ^5 though |
| 22:57.44 | mgeary | stderr: from my skull-and-bones fraternity brothers |
| 22:58.18 | stderr | I KNEW it! |
| 22:58.46 | fungus | lol, free market library. rofl, I almost peed my pants |
| 22:59.05 | stderr | I screamed a little into my jacket |
| 22:59.29 | fungus | let's privatize homeless shelters too. |
| 22:59.38 | fungus | make the homeless pay rent. |
| 22:59.46 | fungus | turn huge profits too |
| 23:24.25 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 23:24.26 | ibot | whips out his power stapler and staples stderr's foot to the floor |
| 23:27.02 | mgeary | serves ya right, ya commie |
| 23:31.22 | mgeary | ~console fungus |
| 23:31.23 | ibot | ACTION gives fungus the consolation moose |
| 23:31.55 | fungus | hey, I like it. |
| 23:33.39 | fungus | yay! She's back |
| 23:35.59 | mgeary | whew. TDS is back |
| 23:37.51 | *** join/#uphpu cro (n=cro@204.14.22.85.static.utahbroadband.com) |