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| 15:18.04 | TheDruidXpawX1 | Top of the morning to ya all! |
| 15:18.10 | TheDruidXpawX1 | I thought you'd be interested in this news: Twelve Horses Merges Into One to One Interactive http://bit.ly/GqtDG |
| 15:37.43 | mindjuju | TheDruidXpawX - what does that mean for you guys? |
| 15:39.23 | macnewbold | http://digg.com/d311Qpr |
| 15:39.36 | macnewbold | I just noticed an article talking about our Gradefix project started getting dugg a while back |
| 15:40.31 | macnewbold | it's awesome to have good PR happen without even trying... I didn't even know about it until i checked last month's web stats... |
| 15:41.02 | herlo | macnewbold: very nice :) |
| 15:42.05 | macnewbold | too bad it's so old now though |
| 15:42.12 | macnewbold | or maybe it would have gone over the top |
| 15:42.26 | macnewbold | a good digg on gradefix again would do a nice job |
| 15:43.01 | macnewbold | i remember about 2.5 years ago when it got dugg, and it looks _so_ much prettier now |
| 15:45.12 | utahcon | wow congrats to Twelve Horses... very cool.. |
| 15:45.30 | TheDruidXpawX1 | utahcon: Thanks! |
| 15:46.00 | TheDruidXpawX1 | mindjuju: sorry was afk. It means bigger client list, more services we can provide, more resources to leverage and an east and west cost presence. |
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| 15:46.22 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 15:46.41 | TheDruidXpawX1 | It's like we met our twin company from the east cost really |
| 15:47.25 | utahcon | TheDruidXpawX1: Keeping the name? Or becoming an OTO? |
| 15:47.45 | mindjuju | new name is going to be Twelve to One Horses |
| 15:47.51 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:48.17 | TheDruidXpawX1 | :) |
| 15:48.20 | mindjuju | or maybe it could be Twelve Two One Horsepower |
| 15:48.32 | mindjuju | 1221 horsepower sounds like a lot |
| 15:48.47 | TheDruidXpawX1 | utahcon: One to One Interactive is the name |
| 15:50.17 | TheDruidXpawX1 | We thought 12+121 could be a fun logo, except no one would know what it means |
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| 16:36.49 | Utah_Dave | ~ping fungus |
| 16:36.49 | ibot | pong fungus |
| 16:37.19 | fungus | ~pong |
| 16:37.20 | ibot | ~ping |
| 16:38.51 | Utah_Dave | Hey, you told me a while back approximately how many gigs the full Ubuntu repository was. Could you remind me what that was again? |
| 16:43.23 | fungus | Utah_Dave: 249G currently |
| 16:43.46 | Utah_Dave | Dang, that's going to take me a while on my comcast connection |
| 16:44.37 | fungus | ah, but that's excluding powerpc and sparc |
| 16:47.04 | orsonj | I really want a backup server that is also a repository. Backups would be diffed against the repo packages for efficient full system backups. |
| 16:47.11 | fungus | Debmirror can let you mirror just portions of the repo |
| 16:47.13 | fungus | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Debmirror |
| 16:48.40 | fungus | there is also a tool called apt-mirror http://apt-mirror.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:53.10 | Utah_Dave | thanks, fungus. I'll take a look at those. I kind of want to rsync the full mirror though. |
| 16:53.43 | Utah_Dave | I wonder if macnewbold would mind if I came up to his office and plugged into his super fast connection into Xmission |
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| 17:24.12 | itimber | Mac's got Utopia, right? |
| 17:25.27 | mindjuju | itimber, mac has alleynet |
| 17:25.49 | mindjuju | AKA, you're so close to the facility, here, let's just throw you a cable |
| 17:26.21 | itimber | AH |
| 17:26.43 | itimber | I'm embarrassed to say that I was googling alleynet |
| 17:27.32 | fungus | hehe, it refers to a network of wires that traverse the alley behind buildings |
| 17:27.32 | mindjuju | nah |
| 17:27.47 | mindjuju | hey, that remidns me, I just saw the pictures you sent me of your baby! That's awesome! |
| 17:28.12 | itimber | cool, huh |
| 17:28.17 | mindjuju | **not sure why my cell phone didn't inform me they were there, but now i'm much more vigilant about messages on my phone |
| 17:28.17 | itimber | ya, we're happy w/ him |
| 17:28.23 | itimber | guess we'll keep him |
| 17:28.31 | mindjuju | well, don't forget, keep all your baby receipts |
| 17:28.38 | itimber | fo sho |
| 17:28.46 | itimber | just in case |
| 17:28.51 | mindjuju | i've pulled out all of Corban's to prove to him that yes, I do infact OWN his butt |
| 17:29.00 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:29.13 | itimber | LOL |
| 17:29.26 | itimber | bet he'll *love* that in a few years |
| 17:29.29 | mindjuju | yup |
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| 17:35.30 | josephscott | bummer, won't be able to make this Thursday's meeting either |
| 17:37.53 | fungus | Yes, we know you hate us. You'd rather be with your silly SM crew now. </guilt_trip> |
| 17:38.05 | fungus | ;) |
| 17:38.47 | josephscott | the 17th seems to be the center of universe this month, there are literally 7 different things going on that evening that I'd like to be at. But I'd already committed to the SMC folks for September |
| 17:51.30 | utahcon | fungus: just wishes he could be social |
| 17:52.18 | fungus | lol |
| 17:58.13 | utahcon | $170M in cash... damn. |
| 17:58.52 | stderr | too bad Quicken bought it |
| 18:00.38 | jtsnow | I just started using it :( |
| 18:19.38 | fungus | Maybe Intuit will just scrap their quicken for web product and keep the Mint.com stuff. |
| 18:19.46 | fungus | perhaps just some rebranding. |
| 18:21.07 | tierra | one can only hope |
| 18:22.19 | stderr | I was so close to becoming a sr software engineer for them, then I reconsidered. |
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| 18:36.04 | tierra | T-Mobile Pulse, LG Etna, HTC Tattoo, Samsung Galaxy Lite, Motorola Cliq, and the LG-GW620 all just officially announced in the last week |
| 18:37.35 | mindjuju | mint.com is awesome |
| 18:49.29 | mindjuju | ~apb fungus |
| 18:49.30 | ibot | ACTION calls Beth to spray mace at fungus |
| 18:49.45 | fungus | lol |
| 18:49.53 | mindjuju | :), hey so quick question |
| 18:50.18 | mindjuju | i have a dl380 and it can take a max of 6 scsi drives |
| 18:50.31 | mindjuju | i have one drive right now i'll be getting more in later |
| 18:50.45 | fungus | ~lvm++ |
| 18:51.05 | mindjuju | i want to make it raid5, but i don't want to wait for the other drives to come in to start |
| 18:51.18 | fungus | tuff, you have to wait for at least 3 |
| 18:51.25 | mindjuju | is it possible for me to build the system now with 1 drive, then when it comes in add the other drives... |
| 18:51.26 | mindjuju | darn |
| 18:51.31 | mindjuju | k, that's what i thought |
| 18:51.51 | fungus | does it have a raid controller? |
| 18:51.58 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 18:52.07 | fungus | yeah, wait for the new drives |
| 18:52.36 | fungus | My personal fav setup is a mirror for the Root filesystem, and a raid5 of the rest of the drives for data. |
| 18:57.26 | mindjuju | Zoinks!!!!!! |
| 18:57.26 | mindjuju | http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/software/ubuntu/index.html |
| 18:57.48 | mindjuju | i'm soooooooooo happy now! |
| 18:57.59 | mindjuju | course i have to wiat for the other drives |
| 18:58.02 | mindjuju | ...sigh... |
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| 18:59.43 | jsmith | mindjuju: Kind of like when I mention Popeye's Chicken? You're happy thinking about it, and then mad that I have one just down the street and you don't? |
| 18:59.54 | mindjuju | grrr! |
| 19:00.01 | mindjuju | i haven't thought of popeys all day! |
| 19:00.10 | mindjuju | now its in my head |
| 19:00.26 | mindjuju | and just my luck you're prolly feasting on some right now |
| 19:01.02 | mindjuju | some guy ram the gate here at the AFB, jumped out of his car and took off for like 6hrs on base |
| 19:01.28 | mindjuju | i could prolly get a box of chicken in that time |
| 19:02.10 | jsmith | mindjuju: Actually, I just finished a slice of pecan pie :-p |
| 19:02.20 | mindjuju | love pecan pie |
| 19:07.21 | jsmith | Somehow, I just knew you would |
| 19:08.10 | fungus | is HP still using the old DL380 model number |
| 19:08.29 | fungus | That's been around since 2000 |
| 19:08.44 | jsmith | fungus: Yes... I think they're on generation 6 now |
| 19:09.03 | fungus | that's pretty sad that they can't come up with a better model number. |
| 19:09.14 | fungus | what's wrong with DL390 or DL480 |
| 19:09.48 | fungus | I remember my first DL380, back when it was Compaq. |
| 19:12.47 | jsmith | fungus: It's fundamentally the same machine/layout/architecture... why change the model number, when it's just a refresh of the same old box? |
| 19:13.13 | jsmith | fungus: You wouldn't want Chevy to come up with a new model name (Corvette, Camaro) every time they changed the body style, right? |
| 19:13.33 | mindjuju | that might be confusing |
| 19:23.14 | fungus | But that is what the name Proliant is for. |
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| 19:24.26 | fungus | HP Proliant DL380 G6, that's a bit wordy |
| 19:25.09 | macnewbold | mindjuju: next geek lunch at popeyes? |
| 19:25.44 | mindjuju | yeah, if you know somebody on base that can get us in |
| 19:26.14 | macnewbold | how about Utah_Dave? |
| 19:26.29 | jsmith | fungus: ProLiant = Chevy, DL380 = Corvette, G6 = 2009 ZR1 |
| 19:26.50 | fungus | jsmith: you need to shift that |
| 19:26.58 | macnewbold | maybe we have someone from on base deliver it offbase... |
| 19:27.22 | fungus | HP = Chevy |
| 19:27.34 | jsmith | fungus: No, HP = General Motors, right? |
| 19:28.04 | fungus | No, Chevy is the brand name on the car. HP is the brand name on the server |
| 19:28.25 | fungus | GM is just a parent company |
| 19:29.00 | jsmith | I'd say that General Motors is the equivalent of HP |
| 19:29.18 | fungus | Nope, HP is definitely a brand name. plastered all over that thing. |
| 19:29.19 | jsmith | General Motors has different families (Chevy, Saturn, Pontiac) |
| 19:29.26 | mindjuju | fight! |
| 19:29.31 | jsmith | And HP has different families (ProLiant, etc.) |
| 19:29.45 | jsmith | (heaven forbid, the "pavilion") |
| 19:29.57 | jsmith | Anyhooo... it's just semantics at this point |
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| 19:52.54 | Utah_Dave | macnewbold: mindjuju: I know a bunch of people who can get into Hill AFB, but it's kind of far to ask someone to go up there just for Popeyes. |
| 19:53.21 | mindjuju | what! |
| 19:53.25 | mindjuju | just for popeyes! |
| 19:53.32 | mindjuju | Popeyes is the best! |
| 19:53.49 | mindjuju | and always a good reason to make a trip of many miles |
| 20:00.08 | Utah_Dave | :) I'll ask around and see if anyone is going up there on Thursday and have them bring some down. |
| 20:00.24 | Utah_Dave | If I find someone, what would you like, mindjuju? |
| 20:01.05 | mindjuju | utah_dave, i've actually got to bail to get to school, but i'll PM ya laters |
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| 20:09.15 | wps | mindjuju: any idea what happened to the videos on uphpu.org? |
| 20:09.24 | wps | does the flash video player really accept mp4s? |
| 20:10.08 | orsonj | I didn't think so |
| 20:10.11 | mgeary | yes |
| 20:10.15 | mgeary | if they're h264 |
| 20:10.26 | orsonj | Is that flash 10? |
| 20:10.29 | mgeary | no |
| 20:10.32 | mgeary | f9 will as well |
| 20:10.50 | wps | I checked the link to the .swf the .js and the .mp4 and everything is good |
| 20:10.52 | wps | they were working before |
| 20:11.03 | wps | but now just a big blank, white box |
| 20:12.10 | wps | if you want to re-export as h264 or OGG, I'd happily change the videos to using <video>, mindjuju |
| 20:12.10 | wps | I don't care if it only works for Firefox users |
| 20:12.53 | DexterTheDragon | could use that method that degrades from <video> -> flash -> wmv -> quicktime |
| 20:17.13 | orsonj | ... -> transcript |
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| 21:00.54 | PoeticIntensity | fungus.... you know much about lvm? |
| 21:01.21 | PoeticIntensity | is the LVM metadata (specifically, the UUID) stored on the disk? |
| 21:01.35 | PoeticIntensity | or is it related to some unique identifier of the disk itself? |
| 21:08.29 | fungus | PoeticIntensity: it's stored on disk |
| 21:08.48 | fungus | cloning a whole disk preserves UUID |
| 21:09.03 | fungus | moving a disk to a different controller is ok too. |
| 21:11.30 | Utah_Dave | fungus: lvm doesn't do any raid, right? A disk dies and you're toast, right? |
| 21:11.51 | fungus | Right, raid should be done first, then add raid volumes to LVM |
| 21:12.30 | Utah_Dave | ok |
| 21:12.50 | fungus | lvm is perfectly capable of taking a logical volume from a hardware raid controller, or even md |
| 21:13.05 | Utah_Dave | so fungus, what's the benefit of using lvm if you're going to set up raid anyway? |
| 21:13.23 | fungus | lvm gives you more flexible volume management |
| 21:13.43 | fungus | adding, resizing, deleting, etc. |
| 21:14.08 | fungus | Moving data to a different array, with zero downtime. woot! |
| 21:14.15 | Utah_Dave | Hmm. cool. |
| 21:14.39 | fungus | oh yeah, don't forget snapshots |
| 21:14.49 | Utah_Dave | Oh, tell me about snapshots |
| 21:14.53 | orsonj | So, it's like virtual machines for hard drives. |
| 21:15.03 | fungus | kind of. |
| 21:15.31 | fungus | mysql flush tables with read lock; lvm snapshot; unlock tables. |
| 21:15.46 | fungus | consistent quality mysql backups |
| 21:15.52 | orsonj | nice |
| 21:16.05 | fungus | with downtimes in the milliseconds usually |
| 21:17.27 | Utah_Dave | cool |
| 21:20.32 | macnewbold | nice |
| 21:20.37 | macnewbold | we use mysqldump to make our backups |
| 21:20.56 | macnewbold | they're always consistent quality, and zero downtime, but there is some load it causes |
| 21:21.18 | macnewbold | and it isn't totally atomic with the file backups, but that usually doesn't matter at all |
| 21:21.21 | jsmith | mysqldump with consistent quality? Are you sure? |
| 21:21.28 | fungus | but mysqldump will lock the whole table during the copy. |
| 21:22.06 | fungus | and with very large tables, that can be quite problematic |
| 21:22.40 | fungus | <muttering>curse storing files in the database as blobs</muttering> |
| 21:23.14 | jsmith | And depending on how long mysqldump takes... data might get inserted in an earlier table while a later table is still dumping |
| 21:25.16 | fungus | mysqldump --lock-tables will lock all tables in a database at once. |
| 21:25.41 | fungus | so unless your transaction span databases a mysqldump is just fine. |
| 21:27.09 | fungus | With normal sized tables, and mostly read application, mysqldump can work just great. |
| 21:37.53 | PoeticIntensity | thanks, fungus. |
| 21:37.57 | PoeticIntensity | that's the info I need... |
| 21:38.08 | PoeticIntensity | looks like I'm gonna have to have some professional help restoring my data... :-( |
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| 22:15.18 | itimber | I'm out... later guys |
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