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02:19.20mindjuju~facepalm
02:19.21ibotACTION facepalms at the situation
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03:05.45brasto~wtg
03:05.46ibotDude!  Way to go!
03:05.56brasto?
03:06.02brasto~dict wtg
03:06.10brastooh, duh...
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15:09.11mgearymornin'
15:09.19SunSparc~morning
15:09.20ibotGood morning!
15:11.42mindjujumorning gents
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15:17.07utahconhey mindjuju
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16:13.17utahconStupid Nano+Camera only does video (no stills)... that deserves a slap.
16:13.36utahconApple Open Sourcing Grand Central Dispatch... well that saves his face today.
16:16.56mgearyutahcon: but the resolution of the camera is, iirc, only 640x480. You probably wouldn't want any stills that size
16:17.16utahconmgeary: correct!
16:19.36utahconFacebook releases Open Source Web Server built on python... neat.
16:19.57mgeary...why..?
16:20.59whiteingenon-blocking && less complicated than twisted == woo!
16:21.34mgearyinteresting. "non-blocking"...?
16:21.47utahconmgeary: supposed to be a really fine tuned server for fast paced sites like friend feed
16:21.59mgearycool
16:22.30mgearydoes it just serve static assets? Could it be used with django?
16:23.19utahconidk
16:24.12whiteingenot just static. does dynamic stuff like django.
16:24.21whiteingeyou can use it alongside django
16:24.27mgearyvery nice
16:25.21whiteingenon-blocking means it can return a response immediately while still working on some computation in the background.
16:25.57mgearyah
16:27.18utahconmgeary: what did you get? (car)
16:34.50mgearyutahcon: Mazdaspeed 3
16:37.04utahconcool
16:41.20SunSparcolds: Wow, cat massage...
17:27.18itimberI'm out for a bit... probably won't get back on IRC till next week.... have a good weekend ya'll
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18:19.08DexterTheDragonidentify drowssap
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18:25.41DexterTheDragonthat was a fun battle with freenode
18:25.59DexterTheDragonI finally did
18:26.26mgeary~captcha DexterTheDragon
18:26.32mgearyoh, really..?
18:26.38mgearyibot: hey
18:26.38ibothello
18:27.49fungus~turing DexterTheDragon
18:27.54mgeary~captcha DexterTheDragon
18:27.55ibotACTION grabs DexterTheDragon by the scruff of the neck and plants him in front of badly distorted letters. "Read it! Read it! or i'll swear you're nothing but a poorly-programmed chatbot, just wasting all our time!"
18:28.28fungushttp://xkcd.com/632/
18:28.43DexterTheDragonfungus: thats what I was thinking of
18:28.57fungushehe
18:32.04DexterTheDragonto the whopper king!
19:07.33mindjujui'm jealous
19:07.44mindjujui LOVE whopper king
19:07.53mindjujuand by the way, i have GREAT news
19:08.07mindjujuso every one of you sleepin' listen up for a quick sec
19:08.16mindjujui have a presenter for next UPHPU meeting
19:08.20mindjujuand...
19:08.27mindjuju<drum roll please>
19:08.35mindjuju<wait for it>
19:08.40mindjujuit is...
19:08.48mindjuju<wait for it>
19:09.02mindjujuWade!  Presenting on CSS
19:09.56mindjujuwell don't everybody all applaud at once
19:10.11tierrahe's not even here... psh
19:10.44jtsnowwhat aspect of CSS?
19:11.09mindjujuhe's getting me something today on the specifics of the presentation
19:11.12mindjujubut..
19:11.26mindjujuwe were discussing some possibilities, and I think the one he's going with is
19:11.34mindjujuconverting a PSD to CSS
19:12.30DexterTheDragonhe's gonna show all the table lovers why css is better
19:12.37mindjujutrue that bro!
19:12.50jtsnowthere are still table lovers??
19:13.09mindjujuyeah, we had a mailing list battle about it the other day again
19:13.20jtsnowwow......
19:13.34mindjujuI lovez CSS, i just sometimes wonder if it is worth it
19:13.58mindjuju92% of the time, i think so, 8% i have to wonder
19:14.07mindjujumainly on browser adoption issues
19:14.27jtsnowthat goes for any web standard, though
19:14.35mindjujuyeah
19:14.51mindjujuit just seems like if you resort to tables 100% of browsers will display accurately
19:15.08mindjujunot all browsers display CSS 2 accurately
19:15.28mindjujuso if the wrong way gets better display results...
19:15.43jtsnowI've seen tables display differently
19:16.06DexterTheDragonI don't want to talk about the ways in which browsers screw up tables >.<
19:16.23jtsnowand CSS can be done to display the same across browsers... the solution just isn't always obvious
19:16.37mindjujuincluding IE 6?
19:17.17mindjujuIE 6 still has some crazy high usage rate
19:17.55jtsnowIt can be done in IE6... not always fun though
19:18.06mindjujuso then here is the question
19:18.52Jacolyteusing tables for layout has an unwanted side effect... search engines treat your content differently.
19:18.56mindjujuif the time to create a website that is viewable in IE7,8 FF2,3, etc, etc, etc is represented by C
19:19.01tierraif you're familiar with the quirks and the appropriate techniques to get around them, even IE6 isn't a problem... but very few people know CSS that extensively, tables are much easier
19:19.11mindjujuand the time to make it also IE 6 compatible is C + infinity
19:19.35mindjujuand the time to do it with tables across browsers is represented by Q
19:19.40jtsnowWhat tierra said ^^
19:19.59jtsnowWith experience, you can get very fast with cross-browser CSS
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19:20.10mindjujusup wps
19:20.15mindjujuwe're just talking about CSS
19:20.21DexterTheDragonwe woke him
19:20.24Jacolytesearch engines expect tabular data when they see tables, not your website's structure.
19:21.01Jacolyteso they get confused as to which information should be emphasized in search results
19:21.04mindjujuhey, i'm 92% with you guys
19:21.13mindjujui'm just not quite 100%
19:21.42fungusSimple fix for IE6, add this to the top of your pages.
19:21.44fungusif (preg_match('/MSIE 6.0/',$_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'])) die('You suck, g
19:21.44funguset <a href="http://mozilla.com/">Firefox</a>');
19:22.30mindjuju:)
19:23.12wpst minus 3 hours and 37 minutes until barbecue
19:23.31mindjujusounds yum
19:23.59mindjujuwhat kind of red meat are you serving?
19:24.40wpspork, brisket, and ribs… been in the smokers all night
19:24.51DexterTheDragonnice
19:26.14mindjujuawesome!
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20:11.38brasto~rlart
20:11.39ibotdrops a baby grand on mindjuju
20:14.01unumpiano
20:18.35mgearyhah
20:18.40mgeary~naive unum
20:18.48mgearywe all know what a baby grand *really* is
20:21.01brasto:)
20:21.21brasto~wake SunSparc
20:21.22ibotACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on SunSparc and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"
20:21.36mgeary~rib brasto
20:21.37ibotACTION sharpens her elbows and jabs them playfully into brasto's ribs, "i'm just sayin'!"
20:22.25SunSparcbrasto: Hey :)
20:28.29brasto~eat
20:28.47wpst minus 2 hours and 32 minutes until barbecue
20:29.29wpsmindjuju: were you still checking on the other possible presenter, or am I on for sure next week?
20:36.27macnewbold~zippy
20:45.07wpswhat's the name for starting counting at zero instead of one?
20:45.57DexterTheDragonzero-based indexing?
20:46.09brastoit's refreshing to chat with techies
20:46.25brastothere's so much short hand
20:46.41wpsthat'll work
20:46.43wpsthanks, DexterTheDragon
20:47.13brastolike I can say s/something I said/something I meant to say/ instead of 'i said x, but I meant to say y'.
20:47.40brastorefreshing
21:20.35mindjujuwps, your in for sure
21:22.22wpsk
21:24.00mindjujuwps, when you have a moment, can you send a bio and description
21:24.07wpsyeah
21:24.20mindjujuthx
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22:17.42macnewboldmindjuju: we ought to start a new tradition of letting #uphpu write the bios for upcoming speakers....
22:18.02macnewboldmaybe even letting us write the description/summary of what their presentation will be, too
22:18.10macnewboldwe could start with wps
22:18.28wpssure
22:18.48macnewbold"In this presentation, we'll discuss why tables make much more sense than absolute positioning floated divs."
22:18.51macnewboldhehe
22:19.16wpswhy would you absolutely position a floated div?
22:19.33wpsthat's like wearing socks with your burkinstocks
22:19.48mgearydark socks
22:19.49mgeary...and shorts!
22:25.30macnewboldit's all relative
22:32.31brasto~burkinstock
22:32.39brasto~dict burkinstock
22:32.47mgeary~birkenstock
22:32.50brasto~wiki burkinstock
22:32.52mgearybirken == beech
22:33.08brastoI'm guessing they are sandals?
22:33.22brastobirken is german, mgeary?
22:33.30mgearyyep
22:33.35brastolooks german
22:33.47brastoso, beach stocks... flip flops?
22:34.36brastoI think a better analogy of absolutely positioned floats is boxers on top of briefs... :)
22:36.01brastoaha, it's spelled wrong: Birkenstock
22:36.05brasto~Birkenstock
22:36.11brasto~dict Birkenstock
22:39.35brastodo you speak german mgeary?
22:39.44mgearyaber ja
22:40.54fungus~x de en aber ja
22:41.26brasto~x something
22:41.56mgearyheh
22:42.07fungus~x en jp brasto needs to specify the source and destination languages
22:42.10mgeary"aber ja" would translate to something like, "oh, yes!"
22:42.26brastoah, cool
22:42.30mgeary"aber" means "but", but when used like this, it adds emphasis
22:42.36mgearyand "ja" == "yes"
22:42.36brastobut ibot thinks it means 'but'
22:42.40brastook
22:42.48mgearylike "but of course"
22:43.12fungus~x en de but, yes
22:43.16brasto~x pt en saudages
22:43.29brastoi probably didn
22:43.31brastodoh
22:43.34brastodidn't spell that right
22:43.45brastoisn't pt for Portuguese?
22:43.58fungusprobably
22:44.17brastomy wife spoke portuguese
22:47.56SunSparc~x ru en длиной живет сыр
22:48.04SunSparcheh
22:49.42fungushttp://www.google.com/history/trends is really fun, but kinda creepy
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