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| 04:47.28 | beandog | poo, |
| 04:47.30 | beandog | . |
| 04:49.13 | herlo | why you gotta be that way beandog ?? |
| 04:49.31 | beandog | I just bring sunshine wherever I go |
| 04:49.48 | beandog | :) |
| 04:49.52 | beandog | hows it going herlo |
| 04:51.26 | herlo | beandog: hi |
| 04:51.30 | herlo | things are alright |
| 04:51.45 | herlo | kid's back in SoCal, gearing up for big marketing push for UTOSC |
| 04:51.53 | beandog | yah? right on |
| 04:51.53 | herlo | beandog: when ya gonna sign up?? |
| 04:52.00 | beandog | oh can we sign up already? |
| 04:52.08 | herlo | beandog: haha, ya |
| 04:52.13 | beandog | whoopsie |
| 04:52.14 | beandog | I will this week |
| 04:52.16 | herlo | read the uphpu mailing list at all?? |
| 04:52.20 | beandog | hardly ever |
| 04:52.34 | herlo | beandog: if you sign up on or before the 28th, you can vote for presentations... |
| 04:52.44 | beandog | oh yah? |
| 04:52.46 | beandog | niiice |
| 04:52.47 | herlo | beandog: use UPHPU as the promo code. |
| 04:53.11 | herlo | http://attend.utosc.com should get you where you wanna go |
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| 04:53.23 | herlo | the promo code is only good for full access pass :) |
| 04:53.37 | beandog | hmm |
| 04:53.42 | beandog | I wonder if I can get my boss to pay for it |
| 04:53.51 | herlo | ya, then don't use the discount code :)( |
| 04:54.26 | beandog | what week is it? |
| 04:54.31 | herlo | Oct 8-10 |
| 04:54.31 | beandog | ~ibot |
| 04:54.32 | ibot | It's me |
| 04:54.35 | beandog | ~hai |
| 04:54.35 | ibot | Helicopter Association International. The Human Awareness Institute |
| 04:54.39 | beandog | lol |
| 04:54.55 | beandog | herlo: wow thats not far away |
| 04:54.57 | herlo | beandog: yup, 1.5 months |
| 04:55.40 | beandog | right on |
| 04:55.42 | beandog | alright |
| 04:55.46 | beandog | Im going beddy-bye |
| 04:56.05 | herlo | gnight |
| 04:56.05 | beandog | ~goodnight |
| 04:56.06 | ibot | Have a goodnight! |
| 04:56.09 | beandog | :) |
| 04:56.10 | beandog | lates |
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| 14:44.11 | utahcon | argh! me is going to punch the federal appeals court in the neck... http://sn.im/qwry0 |
| 14:44.48 | utahcon | Court overturned 2007 decision that Novell owns the Unix code, so now SCO can sue IBM. |
| 14:45.03 | utahcon | I think IBM will fair well, but still. |
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| 15:42.57 | mgeary | hola all |
| 15:45.10 | mgeary | ~yow |
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| 15:54.30 | beandog | morning, mgeary |
| 15:54.33 | beandog | hows things |
| 15:54.40 | mgeary | busy |
| 15:54.48 | mgeary | but i won't complain |
| 15:56.22 | mgeary | y'all? |
| 16:05.16 | beandog | bien |
| 16:41.29 | utahcon | busy is good |
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| 16:42.10 | mgeary | busy is good |
| 16:42.10 | herlo | jsmith: where'd you go? |
| 16:42.22 | herlo | mindjuju: ping |
| 16:42.45 | jsmith | herlo: Mexico and New York |
| 16:43.05 | mgeary | ah, the ol' Mexico-and-New-York vacation. that's one of my favorites |
| 16:44.19 | herlo | jsmith: wow, quite a distance :) |
| 16:44.32 | herlo | New York not so much, but mexico too :) |
| 16:48.29 | jsmith | To make a long story short, I spent a week in Mexico (Akumal, about an hour south of Cancun), and then make a weekend drive-and-back to Connecticut for a little family visit |
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| 17:02.27 | mindjuju | ~apb herlo |
| 17:02.27 | ibot | ACTION calls Leland to rough up herlo |
| 17:03.17 | herlo | mindjuju: :) |
| 17:06.50 | beandog | excuse me, your house is on fire. |
| 17:06.51 | beandog | ~fletch |
| 17:06.52 | ibot | Non interactive, multiplexing FTP/HTTP client.. URL: http://vipul.net/perl/ |
| 17:08.36 | mindjuju | beandog, there is an awesome show on BBC called IT Crowd |
| 17:08.49 | beandog | I cant stand that show. |
| 17:08.52 | beandog | ~shun |
| 17:08.56 | mindjuju | where the IT office catches on fire and he sends fire department an email |
| 17:09.08 | mindjuju | wait wait, are you talking about the american pilot of that show |
| 17:09.16 | mindjuju | or the really real british one? |
| 17:09.28 | mindjuju | the british one is awesome |
| 17:09.50 | beandog | the british one |
| 17:10.03 | mindjuju | really? |
| 17:10.05 | mindjuju | sad |
| 17:10.06 | beandog | If its not Super Friends, it falls short, in my opinion. |
| 17:10.21 | mindjuju | i think its fresh and funny |
| 17:12.20 | mindjuju | dang it |
| 17:12.32 | mindjuju | i sent an email to this company we are looking at to do business wiith |
| 17:12.55 | mindjuju | and they don't freakin have a easily findable email address to contact their sales department |
| 17:12.59 | mindjuju | who designed this page? |
| 17:14.10 | mindjuju | curiously enough, the company is here in Utah |
| 17:14.47 | mindjuju | the extra crazy thing is that their sales email address, which i found on the contact us page, not on their promo / services page |
| 17:15.05 | beandog | just try sales@domain |
| 17:15.08 | mindjuju | is listed as salesoffice and when i emailed, it came back as non-existant email addy |
| 17:16.49 | PoeticIntensity | ~tunafart DexterTheDragon |
| 17:16.50 | ibot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to DexterTheDragon, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 17:18.31 | mindjuju | PS. your web site really should list sales contact information on the services / products page so that people can easily contact your firm about services. |
| 17:18.31 | mindjuju | Additionally, the email address listed for sales on the contact us page does not work. |
| 17:19.00 | beandog | mindjuju, its times like that I would figure it's best not to give them any business. |
| 17:19.00 | DexterTheDragon | thats not snarky |
| 17:20.26 | mindjuju | here is the site if ya'll want to look at it |
| 17:20.31 | mindjuju | www.movenetworks.com |
| 17:21.44 | mindjuju | anybody know good or bad about it? |
| 17:22.48 | beandog | I hear it's hard to find their contact info |
| 17:23.02 | mindjuju | your too funny beandog |
| 17:23.07 | beandog | hee hee |
| 17:23.27 | mindjuju | the LDS church used them to stream General Conference |
| 17:23.42 | mindjuju | and while I don't take that as an endorsement directly |
| 17:24.18 | mindjuju | that they had the backend to host it makes me think that they could hold our event |
| 17:24.53 | herlo | movenetworks is in AF, there was a guy who used to hang around #utos who worked for them as a contractor |
| 17:25.10 | mindjuju | yeah? |
| 17:25.19 | mindjuju | what nick? |
| 17:25.27 | herlo | from what I understand, they don't support linux, not that it matters necessarily. But they run the abc.com and espn.com videos iirc |
| 17:25.45 | mindjuju | it's their tech that really has my interest |
| 17:25.51 | herlo | mindjuju: off hand, I can't recall the nick... I'd have to go back to the irclogs and look. It was probably right after or right before UTOSC 2008 |
| 17:25.54 | beandog | as long as its not DRM, it should be fine on Linux |
| 17:26.00 | mindjuju | instead of streaming, they use something called streamlets |
| 17:26.02 | herlo | beandog: haha, I'm sure it's DRM'd |
| 17:26.10 | mindjuju | which download as files off a web server |
| 17:26.17 | herlo | mindjuju: yeah, I know very little about the technology |
| 17:26.52 | mindjuju | this approach, supposedly, reduced nearly all streaming issues |
| 17:27.05 | mindjuju | (most of which are related to firewalls) |
| 17:28.35 | herlo | mindjuju: http://plug.org/pipermail/plug/2008-April/030499.html |
| 17:28.57 | herlo | mindjuju: I'd be interested in hearing about the approach if you get any good information :) |
| 17:29.31 | mindjuju | fo sho |
| 17:31.30 | mindjuju | dag nabit! i got rid of it too soon!!! |
| 17:31.30 | mindjuju | http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20090824/sc_livescience/theappendixusefulandinfactpromising |
| 17:31.46 | mindjuju | ...sigh... |
| 17:32.39 | jsmith | mindjuju: Yeah... I got that from my father-in-law this morning... (after having an emergency appendectomy a couple of years ago) |
| 17:32.57 | mindjuju | rock on! i had one too |
| 17:33.03 | mindjuju | but I was 14 when i got mine out |
| 17:33.41 | mindjuju | well, mine hadn't burst though, but when they wheeled me in, they wheeled me into prep for surgery and my parents straight to admissions to get paperwork done |
| 17:34.17 | mindjuju | had yours burst jsmith, or did they catch it in time? |
| 17:35.08 | jsmith | mindjuju: They caught it right before it burst... they wheeled me in for the CAT scan... and took me straight from there to surgery |
| 17:36.27 | mindjuju | sadly, while I wanted mine in a jar, but they wouldn't give it to me |
| 17:36.40 | mindjuju | i should sue |
| 17:36.58 | mindjuju | after all, i built it, grew it, took care of it |
| 17:38.18 | herlo | lol |
| 17:38.32 | herlo | sue sue sue, do it! :) |
| 17:38.45 | brasto | has sunsparc been in today? |
| 17:40.11 | utahcon | mindjuju: damnit! I want my appendix back |
| 17:40.23 | mindjuju | i'm sayin'! |
| 17:40.35 | mindjuju | we should protest |
| 17:40.56 | mindjuju | people should have a right to their organs |
| 17:44.34 | carmony | what about hosting a stream or whatever? |
| 17:45.54 | mindjuju | it's a live broadcast |
| 17:46.10 | mindjuju | and for 300 people |
| 17:46.28 | mindjuju | so bandwidth is going to be v huge |
| 17:46.36 | mindjuju | and we want clients to have minimal setup |
| 17:46.55 | mindjuju | so, i'm looking at influxis as my primary, but looking at movenetworks as my backup |
| 17:56.20 | carmony | one day we should broadcast UTOSC :P |
| 17:57.23 | mindjuju | that's doable |
| 17:57.32 | herlo | carmony: it's in the plan for keynotes if we can do it at any point |
| 17:57.59 | herlo | points out :) |
| 17:58.01 | herlo | gah! |
| 18:00.20 | carmony | Maybe not stream live sinec that can be a headache, but at least publish online afterward :P |
| 18:01.25 | mindjuju | live stream v streaming from a produced file is 6's really, it's the required bandwidth of viewers |
| 18:08.02 | carmony | really? |
| 18:08.22 | carmony | I thought making sure your data going to the steaming server would be an issue when live streaming |
| 18:10.07 | herlo | carmony: for sure, we already have plans to do that |
| 18:10.07 | mindjuju | nah |
| 18:10.17 | mindjuju | we stream via windows media servers and flash comm servers |
| 18:10.30 | mindjuju | and i've streamed audio via shoutcast |
| 18:10.59 | mindjuju | i've never streamed via red5, though that or darwin would get my vote for FOSS option |
| 18:11.36 | mindjuju | herlo what are you using for streaming video? |
| 18:11.45 | mindjuju | gstreamer or something, no? |
| 18:14.27 | herlo | mindjuju: icecast |
| 18:14.34 | herlo | http://stream.utos.org |
| 18:14.36 | herlo | oops |
| 18:14.39 | herlo | http://stream.utos.org:8080 |
| 18:15.19 | herlo | for the client side, we can use gstreamer, or regular dv video. I've experimented with screencasting over icecast and it works well |
| 18:16.01 | herlo | there are several tools out there, we just need to write a simple interface to handle the input, transcode it and send it to the icecast server. Should only take 1-2 years :) |
| 18:55.08 | utahcon | whoa... I had no clue that podcast.utos.org even existed! |
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| 19:23.47 | herlo | utahcon: heh |
| 19:25.56 | herlo | utahcon: there's a bunch of good stuff on there. I really need to get it started back up |
| 19:26.07 | herlo | I think I need to formulate a better plan... |
| 19:44.58 | carmony | I've wanted to do a PHP podcast |
| 19:45.09 | carmony | and invite non-utah PHP people to sit in on a round table :P |
| 19:47.42 | carmony | yeah |
| 19:47.45 | carmony | just pick a topic |
| 19:47.52 | carmony | get 4-5 people on the same line |
| 19:47.56 | carmony | and record it :) |
| 19:55.53 | herlo | jsmith: check out pulsecaster |
| 19:56.00 | herlo | jsmith: it's stickster's project :) |
| 19:56.21 | jsmith | herlo: I'm well aware of it :-p |
| 19:56.36 | jsmith | herlo: You forget how much I get to bend stickster's ear :-) |
| 19:57.03 | herlo | hehe, I know |
| 19:57.34 | herlo | I also expected you knew because it involves asterisk to some extent iirc |
| 19:57.39 | herlo | or at least, it could |
| 20:16.23 | mindjuju | beandog, i should have trusted you on not bothering to contact |
| 20:16.41 | mindjuju | they wrote back and said they couldn't help, but refered me to somebody who isn't even doing what i need |
| 20:16.41 | beandog | eh? |
| 20:16.49 | mindjuju | they prolly spent 2 seconds reading my email |
| 20:16.50 | beandog | oh |
| 20:16.54 | mindjuju | ...sigh... |
| 20:17.11 | herlo | bastards! |
| 20:17.38 | mindjuju | curiously, i think they used the same GD |
| 20:17.47 | mindjuju | look at www.movenetworks.com |
| 20:17.55 | mindjuju | then |
| 20:17.56 | mindjuju | http://www.permissiontv.com |
| 20:18.10 | mindjuju | the logo is smarmy pic on the left, company title on the right |
| 20:18.27 | utahcon | ugh |
| 20:18.31 | utahcon | exceptions |
| 20:18.46 | mindjuju | and its the same font for the company name |
| 20:18.59 | mindjuju | i wonder if they used an online logo maker or something? |
| 20:19.24 | beandog | reminds me of hulu |
| 20:20.26 | mindjuju | similar to hulu, but hulu at least put a color gradient in their logo |
| 20:20.52 | mindjuju | which reminds me, i haven't seen cntrl in a while |
| 20:20.54 | mindjuju | i need to catch up |
| 20:22.08 | beandog | seen what? |
| 20:22.26 | DexterTheDragon | http://www.hulu.com/ctrl |
| 20:22.29 | mindjuju | http://www.hulu.com/ctrl |
| 20:22.31 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 20:22.34 | mindjuju | it's awesome |
| 20:22.46 | mindjuju | but your non-liking IT crowd sensibilities, i'm not sure |
| 20:23.13 | beandog | heh |
| 20:24.00 | mindjuju | it's only 4 minutes long though |
| 20:24.03 | mindjuju | you should try it |
| 20:24.13 | herlo | IT Crowd is alright |
| 20:24.44 | herlo | is this the new IT Crowd for the US? |
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| 20:47.36 | utahcon | bah... reading errors is too easy |
| 20:51.53 | beandog | ? |
| 20:57.43 | utahcon | was having an exception thrown |
| 20:57.51 | utahcon | was looking at the wrong line to catch it |
| 21:25.45 | beandog | http://mashable.com/2009/08/25/magma/ |
| 21:27.19 | beandog | that site is a bit of info overload |
| 21:28.29 | beandog | ~mindjuju |
| 21:28.30 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or the Prophet of Breakbeats, or sweat sexy hawtness, or a Texan, or wears his snuggie in the buff, or has a thing for hawt sitcom moms |
| 21:28.40 | beandog | http://mag.ma/64133 |
| 21:28.58 | beandog | oh my hair |
| 21:30.54 | mgeary | 236 Alphaville songs in my iTunes |
| 21:31.15 | beandog | holy crap, mgeary |
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| 22:02.08 | DexterTheDragon | ~rlart |
| 22:02.09 | ibot | whips out his power stapler and staples tierra's foot to the floor |
| 22:02.57 | tierra | ~lart DexterTheDragon |
| 22:02.57 | ibot | drops a baby grand on DexterTheDragon |
| 22:03.15 | DexterTheDragon | well looks like niether of us are going anywhere |
| 22:03.36 | DexterTheDragon | s/niether/neither |
| 22:06.10 | mindjuju | anybody here speak Korean? |
| 22:07.17 | carmony | konichiwa! |
| 22:07.27 | mindjuju | carmony, do you speak Korean? |
| 22:07.49 | beandog | Excuse me stewardess, I speak jive |
| 22:07.52 | mindjuju | yeah, all i know is onion kashamika |
| 22:08.20 | mindjuju | which is the phonetic of the korean phrase for hello (proper) |
| 22:08.33 | mindjuju | i wonder how reliable google translate is |
| 22:08.51 | carmony | why do you need it? |
| 22:09.11 | mindjuju | because i need to urgently send somebody an email in korean to a guy in korea |
| 22:09.17 | mindjuju | know anybody |
| 22:09.29 | DexterTheDragon | google |
| 22:09.32 | carmony | not off the top of my head |
| 22:09.51 | mindjuju | DtD, hence my question on reliability of google translate |
| 22:10.16 | DexterTheDragon | didn't see that |
| 22:10.23 | DexterTheDragon | but the answer is not really |
| 22:29.50 | beandog | thats what I was gonna say |
| 22:31.20 | mindjuju | that's sad on so many levels |
| 22:33.03 | beandog | especially since it should be the other way around |
| 22:33.52 | mindjuju | i'm just saying we should make the effort to speak to a person in their native language |
| 22:34.08 | mindjuju | especially if we are the one doing the asking |
| 22:34.10 | beandog | Oh |
| 22:34.15 | beandog | That's not what I was implying |
| 22:34.34 | mindjuju | oh :) |
| 22:34.46 | beandog | It would seriously not surprised me at ALL if a lot of them spoke English, since thats where they get a lot of business from. |
| 22:35.03 | beandog | At an old job my boss would fly over there, and he sure didnt speak Korean |
| 22:35.10 | mindjuju | yeah, that's true, a lot do speak english |
| 22:35.22 | beandog | Besides |
| 22:35.34 | beandog | Youre going to be in for a world of hurt if you try to communicate everything in Korean |
| 22:35.45 | fungus | lol, I wouldn't trust Google translate for business communications. |
| 22:35.45 | beandog | might as well find someone that speaks English anyway |
| 22:35.52 | mindjuju | well, i see it kinda like this |
| 22:36.19 | mindjuju | if i'm going to ask somebody in Korea something, I should try to find a way to communicate to them in their language |
| 22:36.44 | beandog | Nah |
| 22:36.45 | mindjuju | it's being respectful to them as a person |
| 22:36.48 | beandog | thats not how international business works |
| 22:37.01 | beandog | The client shouldn't be the one bending over backwards |
| 22:37.13 | mindjuju | i'm the client |
| 22:37.19 | beandog | Right. |
| 22:37.21 | beandog | Thats what Im saying. |
| 22:37.33 | mindjuju | oh i see, yeah, no i'm the one asking a favor |
| 22:37.58 | beandog | anyway, Im not knocking your ideals mindjuju, I just think its a little unreasonable. |
| 22:38.26 | mindjuju | hmmm |
| 22:39.21 | mindjuju | i've met a lot of expats in China who wanted the world to revolve around english, sadly in china, it doesn't and they had a hard time adapting to the language and the people |
| 22:39.36 | mindjuju | i found even attempting to speak chinese brought a few laughs, but tons of sympathy and help |
| 22:39.48 | fungus | mindjuju: while it is considerate to communicate in their language, the dangers of missing something by a technical snafu are worse than the social annoyance. |
| 22:40.09 | mindjuju | true that fungus, so i wrote in english and provided a google translation at the bottom |
| 22:40.11 | beandog | mindjuju, well I'm not one for forcing our culture on another nation, I think that's totally unethical. But business isn't as personal |
| 22:40.24 | beandog | 2c |
| 22:41.30 | fungus | using google translate, especially with asian languages, can create misunderstandings that would be more rude than just using english |
| 22:43.04 | fungus | see http://translationparty.com/ for an example |
| 22:44.22 | mindjuju | fair enough, it was a chance i took. we'll see how it went |
| 22:44.24 | DexterTheDragon | http://translationparty.com/#3411725 hehehehe |
| 22:44.42 | PoeticIntensity | is it just me, or does this icon look highly suspect? |
| 22:44.43 | PoeticIntensity | http://penguinaudio.com/ |
| 22:46.38 | mindjuju | DtD, simple sentences often translate better than complex ones. I wrote small quick sentences to boost my odds |
| 22:46.52 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:47.17 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: http://translationparty.com/#3411780 really? |
| 22:47.18 | mindjuju | i knew there was the possability of translation corruption, hence me asking reliability; and structured appropriate |
| 22:47.45 | mindjuju | http://translationparty.com/#3411994 |
| 22:53.56 | beandog | http://translationparty.com/#3412378 |
| 22:56.25 | mindjuju | 4beandog - http://translationparty.com/#3412570 |
| 22:56.34 | beandog | woah, sucks to be you: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/08/dutch-isp-builds-dike-around-net-throttles-non-http-traffic.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss |
| 22:56.47 | fungus | http://digg.com/dialogg/Timothy_Geithner_1 |
| 22:56.52 | beandog | mindjuju, hey thats pretty close |
| 23:03.51 | mindjuju | fungus, that is very interesting link |
| 23:04.12 | fungus | Yeah, probably the most controversial dialogg yet |
| 23:06.11 | beandog | ok gents |
| 23:06.15 | beandog | que tengan una buena noche. |
| 23:06.24 | beandog | y que todos sus suenos se cumplan |
| 23:06.25 | beandog | or something. |
| 23:06.26 | mindjuju | it is interesting to watch his face while he gets asked questions -- v good poker face |
| 23:06.30 | fungus | ~translate es en que tengan una buena noche. |
| 23:06.46 | fungus | ~translate es en y que todos sus suenos se cumplan |
| 23:07.02 | beandog | :) |
| 23:07.09 | beandog | chau |