IRC log for #uphpu on 20090824

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16:12.09utahconbeandog: you feeling that already too ?
16:13.34beandogyah
16:13.38beandog~ibot
16:13.39ibotIt's me
16:13.48beandog~welcome ibot
16:13.48ibotibot, Sup yo?
16:14.05beandog~wedgie mindjuju
16:14.05ibotACTION hangs mindjuju from the flag pole by his underwear
16:14.28utahconthat is only 1 step away from atomic
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17:21.34wpsmgeary: you there?
17:23.02mgearyi am now
17:23.13wpshey
17:23.17wpsdo you have any experience with sendmail?
17:23.26mgearynon that were pleasant
17:23.29mgearynone*
17:23.34mgearyi do postfix
17:23.55wpsyeah, that's the general consensus
17:24.02wpsI only need an MTA to run Mailman
17:24.05wps(for the UPHPU server)
17:24.11wpsso it's not a significant thing
17:24.13wpsset it and forget it
17:24.21mgearyi've used postfix + mailman before
17:24.45wpsI tried Postfix once, but sendmail is what I know
17:25.02wpsoh, you've set up Mailman before?
17:25.12mgearyyeah, but it was several years ago
17:25.17mgearybut it wasn't too bad, iirc
17:25.23wpsI have Mailman, Sendmail, and Dovecot all installed and set up
17:25.29wpsbut am missing something
17:25.40wpsI had to rebuild the UPHPU server over the weekend
17:25.44wpsit'd croaked
17:25.53wpsit was time though… I'd been putting it off too long
17:26.00wpswent from FC3 to CentOS 5
17:26.33wpswould you have any interest and time to help me look at what's not working?
17:26.48wpsI'm guessing it's something such as a setting that's set wrong or a firewall issue or something
17:27.04wpsI've been trying to test telnet to see if the communication is open, but my telnet knowledge is weak
17:27.11mgearywhat's it doing?
17:27.30mgearypostfix is a super easy centos install
17:28.06wpsI'd be happy to uninstall sendmail and go with postfix if you'll guide me… I don't have any experience with postfix
17:28.14mgearydon't uninstall
17:28.19mgearyjust do a yum install postfix
17:28.37wpsI think postfix is better… but I'd go with what I already if I'm going at it alone :)
17:28.48mgearypostfix has nice and logical defaults
17:29.11beandog~asplode my head
17:29.12ibotmy head head asplode, k thx
17:30.02wpsdo I need postfix-pflogsumm?
17:30.52wpsk, postfix installed
17:31.01wpssendmail service stopped
17:37.59mgearypostfix started? I believe you also need to prevent sendmail from starting on boot and have postfix start. I can't recall offhand the centos call to do that
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17:38.49wpsk, let me look to confirm what's set to start at boot
17:56.19wpsalright, I belive I have it done
17:56.30wpssendmail not auto-start and dovecot and postfix set to start on boot
17:56.42wps(via chkconfig)
17:57.46wpsshould I start by setting settings in main.cf?
18:00.02mgearywell
18:00.18mgearypostfix largely "just works" when you install it, unless you have special needs
18:00.42wpsk
18:00.59wpsdo I need to tell it I want it to work with mailman and dovecot somehow?
18:01.07mgearyno, because it transparently replaces sendmail
18:01.14wpsah
18:02.29wpsso, with sendmail, there are several config files where I specify domain relays, local host names, and a virtual user table
18:02.38mgearyyes
18:02.45mgearyyou can do that with postfix. Do you need to?
18:02.47wpsdo I need to specify those in a postfix config somewhere or does it read sendmails configs?
18:02.53mgearyit doesn't read them
18:02.57wpsI don't know if I need to
18:03.00wpsI did with sendmail
18:03.05mgearyso does this server act as a smtp for other machines?
18:03.06wps(in order for it to work with mailman)
18:03.09mgearybi
18:03.09mgearyno
18:03.15mgearyit will work for localhost out of the box
18:03.18mgearybut not for other clients
18:03.37wpsit doesn't need to work as SMTP for other machines
18:03.45wpsjust run the mailman lists
18:03.52mgearyi believe it should be fine as-is, then
18:04.09mgearyyou *will* need to set up a virtual table
18:04.20mgeary<PROTECTED>
18:04.35mgearyand you do need to enable that in main.cf, iirc
18:04.39mgearyi can check in a sec
18:08.00wpswith sendmail, I only added non-mailing-list email accounts in the virtual user table
18:08.29wpsif I am not doing non-mailing-list mail, do I need virtual user entries with postfix?
18:56.08Utah_Davewps: I got the test email
18:56.29mgearyUtah_Dave: via the daemon?
18:57.17Utah_DaveWell, they're from Wade's personal email account to uphpu@uphpu.org
18:57.36Utah_DaveYeah, it's from mailman
18:57.40mgearynice
18:57.43mgearywps: ^^
18:58.10Utah_DaveI got 4 emails
18:59.02Utah_Davemgeary: just curious. Was wps able to use the default postfix settings with mailman?
18:59.16mgearyyes, just needed to add the entries to the aliases and virtual
19:08.10wpsdid you get the email with subject "server upgrade"?
19:08.19wpsthe emails that just went out to the list were ones I tried sending last night
19:08.43wpsthe tests I tried to send just now have not made it to the list (as far as I can tell)
19:08.46Utah_Daveno
19:08.48Utah_Dave[UPHPU] test from new server
19:09.06Utah_Daveand then [UPHPU] test from new server[1.1], etc
19:09.14wpsyeah, those were yesterday
19:09.27wpshmm… it appears that I can get to mailman from localhost, but not from outside
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19:10.47wpswhat port does mail come into the server on?
19:11.05beandog25
19:11.13beandogsmtp
19:11.19wpsk… that's open
19:11.31wpsshould be anyway
19:11.46wpswould someone be willing to try telnet to uphpu.org?
19:12.15orsonjtelnet uphpu.org 25 (Connection refused)
19:12.50wpshmm
19:12.52DexterTheDragon22/tcp   closed ssh
19:12.52DexterTheDragon23/tcp   closed telnet
19:12.52DexterTheDragon25/tcp   closed smtp
19:12.52DexterTheDragon80/tcp   open   http
19:12.53DexterTheDragon443/tcp  open   https
19:13.39wpscents os has a "cli giu" app that allows me to turn the firewall and SELinux on and off
19:13.52wpsI specified there that telnet and smtp should be open
19:14.21wpsallow incoming SSH, HTTP, HTTPS, Telnet, and Mail (SMTP
19:14.22Utah_Davewps: SELinux could be preventing postfix from working correctly
19:14.52DexterTheDragonI think its letting things through on the ports but nothing is listening on them
19:15.06wpsk… try telnet again
19:15.15orsonjnope
19:15.19wpsI disabled SELinux (though I already had)
19:16.04DexterTheDragonnow its this
19:16.05DexterTheDragon80/tcp   open  http
19:16.06DexterTheDragon111/tcp  open  rpcbind
19:16.06DexterTheDragon443/tcp  open  https
19:16.06DexterTheDragon3306/tcp open  mysql
19:16.54beandogwhee, remote mysql!
19:16.58wpswhy wouldn't it have 25? and why does it have mysql?
19:17.03wpswhat the crap
19:17.49wpsso how do I close 3306 and open 25?
19:18.47DexterTheDragondepends on the firewall
19:19.21DexterTheDragonit was there before, just nothing was listening on it
19:19.54wpsobarassing question 2: how do I determine what firewall I'm using?
19:21.07orsonjtry running "/etc/init.d/iptables restart"
19:21.09DexterTheDragonwell if its centos and there's nothing upstream I would guess its just iptables
19:21.15orsonjThat's how you do it on redhat anyway
19:21.16DexterTheDragonwith selinux doing some stuff too
19:21.38beandogI get the feeling selinux frustrates admins more than hackers.
19:21.42wpscan you turn SELinux off on the fly (or does the system need to be rebooted)?
19:22.08DexterTheDragonbeandog: thats cause admins don't know how to use it
19:22.22wpsbut it's not very user-friendly
19:22.35_psychic_What's everyone's favorite source for IP to geo?
19:22.56wpsk… iptables restarted
19:23.30beandogDexterTheDragon, yarr
19:23.31wpsa flood just came through the mail log
19:25.09beandogdid you get my virus?
19:25.23wpsdid you put it in my mysql database?
19:25.39wpsDexterTheDragon: how do I do that telnet test?
19:26.07DexterTheDragonI've been nmap-ing it
19:26.12orsonjtelnet host port
19:26.31orsonjI can't get through right now
19:26.41wpssame
19:26.45wpsjust says "trying…
19:26.58beandogiptables -L
19:27.17orsonjI get a straight up connection refused
19:27.45wpsbeandog: http://dpaste.com/84747/
19:28.05beandoghuh
19:28.10beandogeverythings open
19:28.24beandogmust be something else.
19:28.53beandogweird.
19:28.58orsonjnext guess config error
19:29.03beandogyah
19:29.19beandogthe box isn't behind a router is it
19:29.38wpsI'm not sure what's upstream from it at the datacenter
19:29.48wpsconfig error in iptables or postfix?
19:31.14orsonjpostfix
19:31.28beandogpostfix
19:31.32beandogiptables isn't even filtering anything
19:31.50orsonjprobably binding to loopback interface instead of public ip
19:32.40wpswhy would telnet to 25 be refused though?
19:33.04DexterTheDragoncause nothing is listening
19:33.24wpsk
19:33.46wpsmgeary: do you know how to check the lookback inteface thing in postfix?
19:34.25mgearyyeah
19:34.29orsonjlook for inet_interfaces in the config
19:34.44wpsI'm searching through main.cf, but am not sure what I'm looking for
19:34.44wpsk
19:34.58mgearyinet_interfaces=all
19:35.00mgearytry that
19:35.06mgearyby default, i think it's just lcoalhost
19:35.28wpsall
19:35.34wps(changed to)
19:35.42mgearyreload postfix
19:35.43wpsdo I need to "make" or anything or just restart postfix?
19:35.48mgeary"postfix reload"
19:36.03wpsfrom within /etc/postfix ?
19:36.14mgearywell, whatever your path is
19:36.19mgearyprolly /usr/sbin/postfix reload
19:36.37wpsdone
19:36.54beandogthat was gonna be my next question -- is it even running
19:37.11orsonjheh
19:37.26wpsyes it was running
19:37.42wpsah-hah
19:37.46wpsgot a response on telnet 25 now
19:37.57orsonjlikewise
19:38.00wpssomeone from bookstore.usu.edu is connecting
19:38.02beandogehlo
19:38.07wpscodegreene.com connecting
19:38.14wpscool
19:38.28DexterTheDragonthat was me
19:39.09wpssomeone on qwest
19:39.12wpsfunny to see those come through
19:39.15Utah_Daveprobably me
19:40.10wpssosstaffing.com
19:40.15fungushehe
19:40.18wpsokay… so telnet works now
19:40.44mgeary~dos wps
19:40.45ibotOpening the icmp floodgates:\n for i in `seq 0 1024`; do echo "Pinging wps"; ping -s wps"; done
19:41.05beandoghee hee
19:41.11beandog~mgeary++
19:41.26mgeary^5 beandog
19:41.39wpshey now
19:42.43wpsk… next issue is "relay access denied" in the maillog
19:42.56wpshttp://dpaste.com/84756/
19:43.01wps(just tried to post to the list)
19:43.13mgearyi believe for that it doesn't know that it's supposed to accept mail for the domain
19:43.28mgearymydestination
19:43.35mgearysearch for that and tell me what you find
19:43.46mgearywhat's the hostname for the box?
19:43.54wpsmydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost
19:43.58mgearyyeah
19:44.15mgearyyou could probably just add ,uphpu.org to that
19:44.27mgearyso it knows to take emails to that domain and deliver them
19:44.31mgearyrather than relay them on
19:49.27wpsI think my post just went through
19:49.41wpsawesome!
19:49.59DexterTheDragonsecret phrase big banana
19:50.02fungus"big banana"??
19:50.26wpsjust have to make up something unique for the test message so that I can distinguish it from all of the other test messages I've sent
19:50.42Utah_DaveI received my big banana as well.
19:50.46funguslol.
19:50.46wpsthanks for all the help guys
19:50.50Utah_DaveWait, that didn't sound right
19:50.55wpsand especially, mgeary
19:51.08wpslet me know if there is anything I can do to thank you
19:51.45wpsI guess the next step is to close up my firewall
19:51.57wpsso that I'm not dos'd by my friends
19:51.58wps:)
19:52.39beandogturn off remote listening on mysql, too
19:52.41beandogthaz bad.
19:53.47fungusor at least firewall it to trusted sources
19:54.08beandog~trust fungus
19:54.09ibotACTION looks at fungus suspiciously
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20:08.08whiteingeAnyone know of a typography-based project that builds on the YUI css? Something like Blueprint but using the YUI reset/base/fonts libs.
20:09.25wps.ru is the bane of the internet
20:09.57wpssorry, whiteinge, I don't know anything about YUI
20:10.02wpsI'm a jquery guy
20:10.37wpshttp://webchat.freenode.net/ is pretty nice
20:10.40DexterTheDragonhehehe
20:10.43wpslean and supports multiple channels
20:10.49wpsbest web irc client i've seen
20:10.53wpsa lot better than mibbit
20:11.12wpsnothing like Colloquy though
20:11.29whiteingewps: I do jQuery too. I'm only talking about the YUI CSS libraries.
20:11.57stderrwps: yea qwebirc is decent.
20:17.05wpsis that what freenode is using, stderr ?
20:18.44wpsbeandog: would I turn off remote mysql in /etc/my.cnf ?
20:19.35stderrwps: yes.
20:21.36wpsexcellent
20:21.40wpsmysql remote access disabled
20:22.31wpsI'd really rather the firewall be the reverse of what it is… completely closed with a few ports open rather than fully open with a few closed
20:22.50wpssince this box just does two things: apache and mailman
20:24.12stderrhave the iptables default on INPUT to be DENY (after accepting the ports you want)
20:25.43wpsk
20:25.56wpsI'll have to search for some iptables tutorials this evening
20:26.02wpsthat's a new area for me
20:43.17mgearyhey y'all, this is a reminder that we're looking to hire a mid-level PHP developer. Python experience would be a plus.
20:43.30mgearyreach out to your buddies and let them know
20:47.07jtsnowmgeary: what company?
20:53.54stderrThe Treeline Group, I believe.
20:57.42beandogmgeary, I don't have any buddies, you insenstive clod!
20:58.05mgearyyes, The Treeline Group
20:58.12mgearywe're in Orem
20:58.22stderrI don't have any buddies who'd be willing to commute to Orem, is the problem
20:58.26stderrwell, maybe I do.
20:58.32mgearybeandog, i was trying to keep the illusion for ya
20:58.44beandogmy world has finally shattered
22:05.58mgeary~starving mgeary
22:08.05fungusfood is for those of weak wills
22:13.36mindjujubeandog
22:13.37mindjujuyou in?
22:14.03DexterTheDragonor out?
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22:14.50mindjujufor beandog, DextertheDragon and anybody else that appreciates fine shirts
22:14.51mindjujuhttp://media.threadless.com/product/1960/Three_Keyboard_Cat_Moon
22:15.04mindjujui present, nearly the greatest shirt of all time
22:15.22DexterTheDragonwhen Griff asks if your in or out, tell him you are out
22:15.35mindjujufungus, you may want to have a look too
22:16.00DexterTheDragonmike is over there wearing the 3 wolf moon tshirt
22:16.07beandogmindjuju, yo
22:16.22fungushehe
22:16.33beandogmindjuju, wtc?
22:16.44mindjujuthat shirt is awesome
22:16.49beandogwhy?
22:17.02mindjujucause it is?
22:17.07beandogoh
22:17.08beandogheh
22:17.09beandog:)
22:17.31beandoghttp://www.80stees.com/products/Wonder-Twins-T-shirt.asp
22:18.49mindjujuway cool shirt
22:19.28mindjujuthis is the #1 way coolest shirt EVAR
22:19.29mindjujuhttp://rumplo.com/tees/tee/10549-big-trouble-in-little-china-shirt-+-jack-burtons-chinese-fu-manchu-shirt
22:19.54mindjujufollowed closely by the think geek 10 types of people shirt
22:20.01mindjujuand then of course, the SQL one
22:20.42beandoglol, http://www.80stees.com/products/Nerdy-Superman-T-shirt.asp
22:22.06mindjujui'm in love
22:22.07mindjujuhttp://search.80stees.com/?category=80s+Movies&i=1&q=&theme=Chuck+Norris&u1=category&u2=theme
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22:22.23mindjujuk, some of these might be better than the big trouble in littl echina tank top
22:23.21mindjuju4beandog - http://www.80stees.com/products/Chuckmate-Chuck-Norris-T-shirt.asp
22:24.16fungushttp://www.80stees.com/products/Light-Yellow-Rainbow-Brite-T-shirt.asp
22:24.37mindjuju:)
22:24.37beandogman these are great
22:24.51mindjujui wonder if they have one of horses running or a unicorn and rainbow
22:24.57fungushttp://www.80stees.com/products/Rainbow-Brite-Stocking.asp
22:25.11fungusRainbow Brite??
22:25.29wpswow, that's a short skirt
22:25.29mindjujumy trapper keeper had horses on it
22:25.38beandog~unsee
22:26.12beandogwow that TRON t-shirt is ugly.
22:26.15beandogMine is much cooler.
22:26.51mindjujuurl?
22:27.55beandogbah, site wont load
22:27.56DexterTheDragonhttp://twitter.com/shitmydadsays [language warning]
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22:28.23PoeticIntensityhmm... I hate it when I realize I haven't been on IRC all day... :-T
22:28.59mindjujuDexterTheDragon - that's awesome
22:29.10mindjujui should start a twitter on smart thigns i tell my son
22:29.17mindjujuthat way, he can always refer back to them
22:29.30beandogmindjuju, [needs reference]
22:30.47beandoghttp://www.80stees.com/products/Junk-Food-Millennium-Falcon-Star-Wars-T-shirt.asp
22:30.50beandogokay that one is awesome.
22:30.56beandogI gotta stop looking before I buy something.
22:31.19DexterTheDragonor everything
22:31.37beandoghttp://www.80stees.com/products/Authentic-Cobra-Kai-Gi.asp
22:35.09fungusLips!  http://www.80stees.com/products/Rocky-Horror-Picture-Show-T-shirt.asp
22:45.23mindjujuanybody know a good source for used college books?
22:48.02*** topic/#UPHPU by wps -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org
22:48.02stderrbookbyte is decent
22:51.11fungusI always got mine locally from PJ's  
22:51.13fungushttp://www.pjstextbooks.com/slc/
22:58.57beandogmindjuju, I'll sell you my old spanish book
23:01.03beandogmuy barato
23:07.08*** part/#uphpu Utah_Dave (n=David@72-166-51-162.dia.static.qwest.net)
23:14.07beandoganyon e got any opinions on PEAR::Mail
23:18.50mgearyi like Swift better
23:20.29beandogdoh, needs php 5.2
23:20.31beandog:(
23:20.41wpsawesome, the archives are working
23:20.51wpsI thought that they weren't yet
23:21.26beandogmgeary, looks nice man
23:21.37mgearyi like it
23:21.44wpsboy, I sure don't get some clients
23:21.51beandogmgeary approved(tm)
23:22.03beandogthe pear class is a lot simpler than I remember it being.
23:22.16wpsI've tried to give this client every reason to take their business elsewhere but they won't go
23:23.07wpsand to clarify, I haven't been rude or dishonest with them… they aren't actually even a client yet
23:23.31wpsI can just tell that they are going to be a _very_ high maintenance client
23:23.33wpsand I don't want them
23:23.51wpswe both already know that I am way outside of their budget but they don't seem to get it
23:24.05beandogcant you just tell them no?
23:24.10wpsthey took me to lunch and gave me a polo shirt and think that I'm going to give them a sweet deal because of it
23:24.25wpsyes, and I should
23:24.30wpsI have a hard time telling clients no for some reason
23:24.43beandogwps, that could get you in some binds, man
23:25.13wpsyeah
23:25.32wpshe shakes my hand when I walk up to first meet him in person and he pulls me close and says:
23:25.49wps"you know, there are a lot of dishonest people in your trade… you better treat me right"
23:26.44beandogsounds like he's trying to force a relationship of trust.
23:27.06wps"I'll get you some great swag and you can treat me right"
23:27.15wpsoh… I don't want your shirt
23:27.17wpsI want money
23:28.10beandogyah
23:28.17beandogyoure not gonna do yourself any favors catering to him
23:28.19wpsI'm cool with trade…
23:28.31wpsbut only for equal value
23:28.48wpsactually, no, I'm not really cool with trade :)
23:28.50wpsI want money
23:29.06wpsthat's pretty much how I roll with birthdays too
23:29.11wpsdon't try buying me something
23:29.14wpsjust give me some cash
23:29.41wpsor food… food works
23:30.47wpsor Simply Lemonade with Raspberry
23:30.51beandogheh
23:30.53beandogalright, I am outtie
23:31.01wpsI'd work for that
23:31.18beandoggood lluck bro
23:31.35wpsthanks
23:31.37wpshave a good night
23:53.57Heartsbanehttp://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13193725
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