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15:08.58XPEHO3ABPcold someone htlp me with php, cant join to ##php
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15:35.02Utah_DaveXPEHO3ABP: ask your question
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15:53.41thebigdogmorning to all
15:54.32carmonymorning :)
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15:57.46XPEHO3ABPmorning?
15:58.39_psychic_it is.
15:59.19XPEHO3ABPoh, you're amricans
15:59.25XPEHO3ABPi forgot
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16:16.11SunSparcHmmm, I guess American's do not fit XPEHO3ABP's lifestyle.
16:16.18SunSparc~nickometer XPEHO3ABP
16:16.27SunSparcWow, just as well I guess.
16:17.16DexterTheDragonhe was in russia
16:17.17Lonnie_He didn't call us Americans.  He called us Am-ricans
16:17.30Lonnie_kind of like puerto ricans
16:21.42_psychic_pretty sure its a trollbot
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17:00.23PoeticIntensity~morning
17:00.24ibotGood morning!
17:00.30PoeticIntensity~wake
17:00.41PoeticIntensity~mondoay
17:00.44PoeticIntensity~monday
17:00.45ibotfrom memory, monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix, or and on a more positive note, Monday is a brand new day at the beginning of a brand new week, a place to start over and improve on last week.  :)
17:05.28DexterTheDragonI wouldn't hate it if it didn't suck
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17:06.45DexterTheDragonphp -r '$data = "foobar"; $key = "test"; var_dump(isset($data[$key]));'
17:06.54DexterTheDragonthats still one of my favorites
17:07.41carmonyI will agree that PHP can really stink when running it form the CLI
17:08.19DexterTheDragonwhat does the CLI have to do with it?
17:08.58carmonySeems like PHP is more buggy when running from the commandline prompt
17:09.58DexterTheDragonwell it is, but the things I'm doing are problems that have hit me in normal code
17:10.28carmonylol, you must be a bug magnite(sp?)
17:10.39carmonycause I don't run into nearly as many PHP bugs as you seem to :P
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17:11.27DexterTheDragonmost people don't know what I show as a bug, cause they don't understand what php is doing
17:11.56DexterTheDragonand I've found a lot of these problems in framework code
17:14.46DexterTheDragonand its not like I'm doing something crazy. I wanted the modulus of a decimal, and I got an integer. I mean seriously
17:17.53funguswow, that isset problem is a bad bug, however if you code correctly the array will never be set to a non-array
17:18.13fungusthe modulus problem is unforgivable though
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17:19.40funguscoke run, brb
17:19.52DexterTheDragonyeah the isset error is one I found down in the framework
17:19.54fungusdoh, wrong window
17:26.16stderrPHP code is littered with those types of bugs
17:28.56stderrattrs.reject! { |k,v| !self.column_names.include?( k.to_s ) } so pretty
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17:51.02jtsnowDexterTheDragon: the string is converted to an integer (0) and $data[0] is set.
17:51.14DexterTheDragonyeah I know
17:52.12jtsnownot saying it makes sense, but it is documented
17:52.21stderrso is the Holocaust
17:52.33jtsnowhehe
17:52.38stderr:P
17:53.06fungusso, it's a feature?
17:53.13DexterTheDragonof course it is
17:53.18fungushehe
17:53.34DexterTheDragonall problems in php go back to the fact that its weak-typed
17:53.47stderrmost, at any rate
17:53.58DexterTheDragonyeah
17:54.39stderrso moved into my new place, and my gf has arrived :D
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18:00.55justincarmonynice stderr
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19:09.05fungusromanovic can't seem to keep from kicking his network cables loose
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19:18.15DexterTheDragon~rlart
19:18.16ibotdoes a little 'renice 20 -u tierra'
19:18.59carmony~rlart
19:19.00ibotfollow's mgeary with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION
19:19.12mgeary...huh..?
19:19.17mgearywhat kind of grammar is that?
19:19.22mgeary"follow's" ?!
19:19.33mgearyand huh? scratch... Humiliation?
19:20.43carmonyhey, it was a random one... so can't blame me for it being week
19:20.45carmonyweak
19:20.47carmony*
19:20.49mgearyheh
19:20.53mgeary~rib carmony
19:21.16beandog~fail carmony
19:21.16ibotcarmony, you Fail!
19:41.20mgeary~rlart
19:41.21ibotlowers mgeary's priority
19:51.41carmonyis the uphpu website down?
19:53.21fungusyes
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20:10.47macnewboldis there a meeting this thursday? what's the topic?
20:10.54macnewbold<PROTECTED>
20:11.27mindjuju1topic is on memcache, but i need to get a description from carmony
20:11.34mindjuju1sorry for no promo on it yet
20:13.32DexterTheDragon~blame carmony
20:13.33ibotACTION blames carmony (and Canada) for all the evil in the world
20:13.46SunSparc:)
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21:10.00*** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Meeting Thursday at 7p | Justin Carmony presents - Effective Caching with PHP + Memcached | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org
21:11.02beandoglooks like a cool meeting
21:11.07beandogwill there be babes?
21:11.42mindjujucourse
21:11.45mindjujuhawt ones
21:12.13beandogmindjuju, do you still have your coupons?
21:12.14herlothe babes will be at igniteslc :)
21:12.22beandogI just forgot the name of the restaurant too, is it Applebees?
21:12.40mindjujucoupons?
21:12.49beandogremember he gave us last time
21:12.52beandogfor 99c appetizers
21:13.03mindjujuoh, i used it for a UTOS planning meeting last week
21:13.28mindjujuk, i've got to take off, but i'll be back in like an hour or two
21:13.40mindjujuan no babes at igniteslc, only uphpu afterhours partay
21:16.53herlolol
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21:46.40herlohttp://www.samkass.com/theories/RPSSL.html
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21:51.43beandoghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3111/2890649750_bf759075cb.jpg
21:51.47beandognew summer styles, a la mindjuju
21:52.46PoeticIntensitywow
21:53.42beandogherlo, whats the difference between Lizard and Rock?  They look the same.
21:54.10herlorock crushes lizard doesn't it?
21:54.16herloyup
21:56.39SunSparcbeandog: Sweet, I remember having some pants like those.  SOOOOO comfortable.
21:57.18orsonjI think the lizard is touching your fingertips to the tip of your thumb (ala sock puppet)
21:57.21beandogherlo, I mean, the hand position / gesture looks exactly the same.  how can you tell which it is
21:57.38beandogSunSparc, I imagine it is, when your nethers are blowing in the wind
21:57.52SunSparc:)
21:58.29stderrmy gf may come with me to the meeting
21:58.33stderr\m/
21:58.46beandogare you gonna start making out during the boring parts?
21:59.14SunSparcGeeks with girlfriends?  What next?!
21:59.15stderrew, PDA?  I don't think so
21:59.46beandogSunSparc, geeks with wives?
21:59.58SunSparcExactly.  What has happened to the world?!
22:00.15orsonjwives == rehab for geeks
22:00.22beandogorsonj, haha
22:00.25SunSparcheh
22:00.35orsonjMy name is Orson and I'm a geek.
22:01.34SunSparc~rehab orsonj
22:01.35ibotACTION sends $harlyepig back to thong school
22:01.53beandogLMAO
22:19.18SunSparchttp://www.curse.com/articles/wow-en-news/520856.aspx
22:32.53wpsanyone available to ping uphpu.org for me?
22:33.05wpsthe server is unresponsive for me
22:33.09funguswps: nada
22:33.13wps:(
22:33.14wpsbummer
22:33.25wpsthanks, fungus
22:33.43orsonjuphpu.org has address 216.194.124.132 (8 failed pings)
22:33.54beandoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UMWhJsd0JE
22:34.26wpsthat's awesome!
22:34.57beandogpretty slick
22:36.54SunSparcHe can be my chauffeur.
22:45.35wps"can you please reboot my machine?"
22:45.46wps"oh, and you can't use the power button… it's broken"
22:45.55wps"you have to unplug it"
22:46.10wps"but note that it has dual power supply, so you have to unplug both"
22:46.16wps"call me if you have any problems"
22:46.18wps"thanks"
22:46.19wps:)
22:46.27SunSparc?
22:46.43SunSparcWhat is the context of that conversation?
22:47.07wpsand prays his server comes back online
22:47.58SunSparcheh
22:48.31SunSparcwps: You need a VPS.
22:48.51wpsyah
22:48.52wpsyeah
22:49.09wpsat the time I got a really good deal on the hardware and thought it would be cool to admin my own box
22:49.15wpsit was and has been
22:49.17wpsand I've learned a lot
22:49.26wpsI'm not as interested in it anymore though
22:49.33wpsand don't see myself replacing it as it dies
22:50.09wpsI'd rather someone else worried about it
22:50.12SunSparcYep, I know the feeling.  Been there.
22:50.37SunSparcwps: Just let me know when you are ready to make the switch...
22:50.39SunSparc;)
22:50.45wps:)
22:50.58wpshard to beat free though
22:51.07wpsthe hardware is long since paid for and TierFour treats us good
22:51.15SunSparcGood point.
22:51.19wpsand we're back: uphpu.org
22:51.27SunSparc:)
22:51.31wpsI think I have a bad HDD… it chokes and takes the system down
22:51.32_psychic_(me prefers the cloud to a VPS)
22:51.42wpshappens about once a year
22:52.02SunSparcNot bad.  Once a year.
22:52.06wpsnawh
22:52.12wpssad to see your uptime count back to 0
22:52.26SunSparcheh, so true
22:52.30wpsuptime: 1min
22:52.31wps:)
22:52.46wpsfirst time a girl's ever answered the phone there
22:54.23SunSparc_psychic_: What do you enjoy most about the cloud?
22:54.36wpsrain
22:54.37_psychic_not thinking much about hardware
22:54.42wpssorry :)
22:54.42_psychic_ever.
22:55.43SunSparc_psychic_: I do not see how that differs from a VPS.
22:56.06SunSparcwps: You still hiring out for web site designs?
22:56.16wpsyeah
22:56.20_psychic_SunSparc: isn't a VPS just the slicing up of a single larger system?
22:56.55wpsI'm presenting to the SL Adobe UG Wed night, by-the-way
22:56.57SunSparc_psychic_: Yes, however a VPS is also managed, so you never really know about or need to worry about the hardware.
22:57.12wpsit's on basic CSS though, so probably not of interest to this crowd
22:57.16SunSparcwps: Good to know.  I might have a client that finally takes you up on that.
22:58.17_psychic_SunSparc: yes but the cloud blurs system lines. My system might be spread across a few physical systems
22:58.31_psychic_with a VPS, the host can still have issues - it's the single point of failure
22:58.50_psychic_so you still do sometimes.
22:59.07SunSparc_psychic_: Yes, good point.
22:59.37SunSparc_psychic_: CoD4 today?
23:00.10_psychic_no sir
23:00.14_psychic_headed home today
23:00.26SunSparcHappy FHE then. :)
23:00.33_psychic_thx
23:03.22SunSparc:)
23:05.23beandogman, I am loving prototype's observe function.
23:05.38beandogYou can write almost alllllllll your JS in one place
23:05.39beandogvery nice.
23:06.50carmonyyuck, prototype...
23:07.01beandogthebigdog, pingeh
23:07.06beandogcarmony, oh yah?  what happened
23:16.59SunSparcNight all.
23:17.54beandognn
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23:39.16josephscottstill going to have a UPHPU meeting this Thursday?
23:39.30josephscottbummer, would like to be there, but already have plans for Ignite
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23:48.50justincarmonyyeah, I'm presenting too :P
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