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01:03.02justincarmony~lart herlo
01:03.02ibottries to shut herlo up
01:03.11justincarmonylol, how appropriate
01:11.21herlo~beat justincarmony
01:11.22ibotACTION beats justincarmony with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish
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08:39.51*** topic/#uphpu is our hearts go out to brasto and his family for their loss - http://www.tributes.com/show/Julie-Stout-86388300 | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org
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15:38.48mgeary~yow
15:39.05mgeary?? who *writes* these things?!
15:39.09unumthat's horrible
15:43.35orsonj~lart yow
15:43.35ibotslaps yow upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh
15:47.01fungusmgeary: Zippy writes these things.  http://www.zippythepinhead.com/
15:47.40mgeary~zippy
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16:10.30beandogah, geek lunch
16:10.32beandogmust not forget.
16:11.14thebigdogthat is friday right?
16:11.27beandogsi
16:12.00unumapparantly there's one thursday night
16:12.17beandogwait maybe Im mixed up
16:13.44mindjuju1nope, the UTOS Geek Lunch i'm putting on is this friday
16:13.57mindjuju1then Laura Moncur and the code away group has one on Thursday night
16:17.04unumcode away group?
16:17.19unumtheir conviently having that one near me...
16:17.21beandogyah, what?
16:17.28unumwhat's code away?
16:17.43mindjuju1codeaway is another geek group that has monthly activites
16:17.48herlounum: codeaway.org
16:17.59beandoghttp://www.theonion.com/content/news/apple_claims_new_iphone_only?utm_source=a-section
16:18.21mindjuju1the next one is Aug 8 at 12p
16:18.26beandogBajio?
16:18.29beandogisnt that a little ....... small?
16:18.29unumat the last geek lunch I went to I got stuck by the cold fusion guy
16:18.39unumI like bajio
16:18.42mgearymeh
16:18.43unumah
16:18.43beandogI do too
16:18.48beandogbut the tables hold like 4 people max.
16:19.44mgearyhey, does anyone here get ad revenue from any site(s)?
16:20.00mgearyi'm trying to figure out what a given amount of traffic is worth
16:20.12beandogI get 30c everytime I mention Snuggies in #uphpu
16:20.26beandogby next week I hope to be able to buy a candy bar
16:21.06mindjuju1beandog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRciznVO_nk&feature=player_embedded
16:21.32herlobeandog: nice
16:21.34beandogoh my crap
16:22.38herlounum: there was a cold fusion guy?
16:22.41beandoglol when he falls down the pit
16:22.50mindjuju1k, there is a bad word in there, didn't know until the end
16:23.19beandogoh man, that was just crazy
16:23.55unumherlo: ya he was trying to find interest in starting up a cold fusion group
16:24.06beandogoy
16:24.09beandogcold fusion ftl.
16:24.10unumit was a thai place in midvale a while back
16:24.34unumand when I first got there, there were a bunch of geeks having lunch that weren't you guys
16:24.45mindjuju1yeah, that was prolly codeaway
16:24.55unumonce they started talking ms this and ms that I reallized I was in the wrong group
16:24.59mindjuju1but if its who i think it is, eh does have a CF group
16:25.07unumwell linux people did show up
16:25.17mindjuju1yeah, codeaway would have linux people
16:25.20unumthere was just the one cold fusion guy trying to recruit from our ranks
16:25.28mindjuju1ah
16:25.29herlounum: there's already a cf group anyway
16:25.31unumand I was on a corner next to him
16:25.51unummaybe he was looking for people to join his existant group.
16:25.55unumit's been a while
16:26.01herloprobably Matt Reinbold?
16:26.09unumthat's possible
16:26.09herlobut he doesn't talk much M$ stuff
16:26.12mindjuju1yup, that's his name
16:26.17unumya the ms people were a different group
16:26.18mindjuju1couldn't remember it
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16:26.27unumit was just funny there was a bunch of other nerds meeting there
16:26.33unumI got there before the rest of you
16:26.44mindjuju1i'm sure it'll come back to haunt me, but there is a guy in imagination movers that looks JUST LIKE HIM
16:26.51unumso I talked to them first(not knowing what any of you look like)
16:26.52mindjuju1and even has a hat the same way too
16:27.06unumthen you guys showed up and I sat with all of you
16:27.10unumbut right next to Matt
16:27.17influxYou are?so good so far.
16:27.22mindjuju1herlo
16:27.24influxwhoops
16:27.27mindjuju1look at this pic
16:27.27mindjuju1http://www.imaginationmovers.com/website/photos.php
16:27.38mindjuju1the guy in the hat looks just like matt
16:28.03mindjuju1Corban used to watch this show, i kept on expecting the guy with the hat to start talking CF
16:30.38herloit does look like him, kinda
16:30.54mindjuju1:)
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16:41.35stderrhttp://www.forbes.com/2009/07/28/hackers-iphone-apple-technology-security-hackers.html?utm_campaign=grims&utm_medium=gri.ms-twitter&utm_source=direct-gri.ms&utm_content=bookmarklet-twitter
16:43.30SunSparcWow
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17:05.17thebigdogwow quiet day today
17:05.35mindjuju1shut up thebigdog, you're ruining the silence
17:05.42SunSparc:)
17:06.55DexterTheDragonits too early for noise
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17:08.29beandogsrsly
17:08.44thebigdoghehe
17:08.52thebigdogman i was up at 6:30 today
17:09.00beandoghttp://consumerist.com/5325063/company-apologizes-hilariously-for-mail-merge-screwup
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17:10.55thebigdogunsubscribe
17:11.15beandog~unsee
17:11.23SunSparcLOL  "because we totally *|COMPASSION_WORD|*."
17:11.53herlosuck!
17:12.12beandog*|SNEERING_COMMENT_AT_SOMEONE_WHO_THINKS_TOWELS_ARE_EVIL|*
17:12.22SunSparcheh
17:16.19beandogI need a twitter client that converts URLs to TinyURLs automatically
17:16.36beandoghttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/07/big-content-ridiculous-to-expect-drmed-music-to-work-forever.ars
17:17.02SunSparcbeandog: Most do.
17:17.24beandogoh, whoops
17:17.31beandog#fail
17:17.40herlobeandog: identi.ca
17:17.45beandogmeh
17:17.50beandogIm not switching services
17:17.50herloor ping.fm
17:18.03beandogoh yah, ping.fm looks cool actually
17:18.05herlobeandog: ping.fm is not a switch, it broadcasts to more than one
17:18.14herloand it does the automatic converion of urls for you
17:18.57herlobeandog: what's your twotter name?
17:19.00herlobeandog?
17:19.04beandogherlo, beandog76
17:19.07herlokk
17:20.20herlobeandog: sent you a dent/twot from ping.fm :)
17:20.39herlodent is what identi.ca calls em
17:22.33SunSparc~dent
17:22.34ibotextra, extra, read all about it, ddent is to be called \"The Exhaulted One\"
17:22.50beandogherlo, I dont see anything :T
17:23.06herlobeandog: are you following herlo?
17:23.08herloon twitter?
17:23.11beandogno
17:23.14herlohaha, that's why
17:23.20beandogI didnt know you were on there
17:23.38herloI don't think twitter sends crap to you unless you are following that person, though they should
17:23.53herlobeandog: and twitter.com/utos too :)
17:24.44beandogherlo, okies
17:24.46herlo:)
17:25.37herlotwotter is kind of slow
17:27.02fungus~lart RoR
17:27.02ibotcats /dev/urandom into RoR's ear
17:28.05mindjuju1~apb thebigdog
17:28.06ibotACTION summons Leland to find thebigdog
17:28.21mindjuju1heya fungus
17:28.23fungustwot is too close to twat, and it scares me
17:28.37mindjuju1so i got this question, scary question
17:28.56mindjuju1i've got my servers at a xmission colo
17:29.09mindjuju1and they are sitting behind a nice firewall
17:29.18herlofungus: you got it! :)
17:29.21mindjuju1and everything is real calm and peaceful there
17:29.44mindjuju1green meadows, birds chirping, my own little peace of heaven, sitting behind this firewall
17:29.47herlomindjuju1: you always sell these grand visions of happiness and joy
17:29.49funguslol
17:30.01fungusuntil one day, when the big bad wolf blew down your firewall
17:30.03herlobut really, the server room is loud and obnoxious
17:30.15mindjuju1well, we've outsourced a project
17:30.21beandogmindjuju1 has rose-colored admin glasses
17:30.23mindjuju1and I had to build a server for their devs to use
17:30.31mindjuju1and I had to move it to xmission colo
17:30.59mindjuju1and now, i've got to let him into the firewall as he wants to remote desktop to the server
17:31.24mindjuju1so, what rules should I put in place before I allow him access to my serenity?
17:31.33fungusVPN?
17:31.39mindjuju1well, VPN yes
17:31.43DexterTheDragonstop using remote desktop
17:31.57mindjuju1but i mean, like saying he HAS to have antivirus on his box
17:32.10fungusJust give the client VPN access?
17:32.21beandogask him if you can date his sister
17:32.27mindjuju1i'm married
17:32.53mindjuju1i'm thinking of putting their server in the DMZ
17:32.54beandogthat might be awkward, then.
17:33.03mindjuju1away from my stuff
17:33.09herlomindjuju1: a separate vlan?
17:33.17fungusnot a bad idea.
17:33.22herloif you can do it
17:33.39mindjuju1i do have a managed switch here that i think allows it
17:33.47herlothere ya go
17:33.56mindjuju1:)
17:34.06fungusWhat kind of switch?  HP,Cisco,Other?
17:34.13beandogLinksys
17:34.26beandogor D-Link
17:34.33mindjuju1netgear
17:34.40mindjuju1but i don't care if it fails
17:37.59fungusI didn't know Netgear had managed switches.
17:39.05thebigdogyeah and they kinda suck
17:40.15fungusi've been spoiled by all Cisco gear.
17:40.52thebigdogif that is all you have then yes
17:41.55fungusmindjuju1: first check to see how you can configure the VPN part of it.  Can you segregate the VPN client to DMZ only access?
17:45.21beandogOoh theres a train going by!
17:45.38beandogI love trains. :)
17:45.45Lone_WandererWoo woo!
17:47.08DexterTheDragonbeandog: http://tinyurl.com/nen6e5
17:47.52Lone_Wanderer(That was a train sound, FYI.)
17:48.29SunSparcDexterTheDragon: that is exactly how my mind works.
17:48.42SunSparcMakes life interesting.
17:49.03beandogDexterTheDragon, heh
17:50.02beandoghttp://adhd.kids.tripod.com/50great.html
17:56.21SunSparcGood list
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18:04.18thebigdogwhat is up with the crappy websites
18:05.01DexterTheDragonbeandog computer is locked into surfing 90's internet
18:05.34beandoggeocities will never die if it lives on in our hearts
18:09.59macnewbold~geocities
18:10.11macnewboldaw. the bot doesn't remember geocities.
18:10.21macnewbold~lart mindjuju1
18:10.21ibotgets a hotmal account and SPAMs mindjuju1
18:10.29macnewbold~nickometer mindjuju1
18:11.02SunSparc~change mindjuju1's nick
18:11.10SunSparcNo kidding
18:16.48mgearywait wait wait
18:17.41mgearywe can't do the whole nickometer rigamarole yet, we haven't gone through guns, or walmart, or obama yet
18:18.19SunSparc~nickometer obama
18:18.41SunSparc~nickometer 0b@m@
18:18.58stderr~nickometer osama
18:19.08stderrpsh, ibot is a sunni
18:19.15SunSparcheh
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18:33.09Lone_Wandererstderr: where is Jenny Lake?
18:33.17Lone_Wandereroh, Jackson Hole?
18:33.34stderryea, in the Tetons
18:33.38stderrmaybe 30 minutes from Jackson
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18:33.46Lone_Wanderercool
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18:33.49Lone_Wandereroh man
18:33.51Lone_Wandererthat outfit is pretty bad
18:34.11stderr?
18:34.18Lone_Wandereryour toon is hideous, dude
18:34.53stderrwhat toon
18:34.58Lone_Wandererthe priest
18:35.01Lone_Wandererwasn't that you?
18:35.08Lone_Wandereroh
18:35.10Lone_Wandererno
18:35.15Lone_Wandererthat's Felicia Day
18:35.25stderrwat
18:35.35Lone_Wanderersorry I was reading my RSS thing
18:35.47Lone_Wandererthe photo updates for all my contacts and it had your pictures and then
18:35.53Lone_Wandererhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/feliciaday/3767333330/
18:35.54Lone_Wandererthis
18:36.03Lone_Wandererand then more of yours so I assumed the dwarf was also yours
18:36.29SunSparcLol
18:37.21stderrha
18:39.47mindjuju...sigh...
18:39.48mindjujuhttp://provo.craigslist.org/web/1295265119.html
18:40.32mindjujuI...
18:40.37mindjujuphoto-shop
18:40.50SunSparc"Don't get me wrong, I can build you a PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS WEBSITE."
18:41.06mindjujui can crop, rotate, and enlarge!
18:41.27stderrAbout the extent of my Photoshop skills.
18:41.31mindjujui shouldn't tease
18:42.52Lone_WandererI'm going to.
18:43.38Lone_Wanderersent
18:43.41Lone_Wandererlunch time
18:43.54mindjujuLone_Wanderer - your awesome
18:44.22SunSparcLone_Wanderer: lol, show us, if he responds
18:47.56mindjujuugh, i keep getting Lindon and Layton mixed up
18:47.59mindjujuwhich one is in the UC?
18:48.34mindjujuwow, layton is way up there
18:48.42mindjujucarmony neck of the woods even
18:48.56mindjujudexterthedragon, who is more north, you or carmony?
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19:23.40Lone_Wanderermindjuju, SunSparc - I was actually going to give him some advice on how to present himself more professionally and possibly invite him to join UPHPU :p
19:25.04Lone_WandererI feel bad.  I didn't get the email that you're complaining about, fungus.
19:26.27funguslol, you're lucky
19:29.30DexterTheDragonmindjuju: I'm probably a little more north than him, till I move
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19:54.26Lone_Wandererman, three years just to rewrite in PHP5, etc.?
19:54.42Lone_WandererThat's either a monstrous app, a small team, or a bunch of really incompetent people
19:58.46thebigdog~roll
19:58.47ibotthebigdog rolls (26)
19:59.07thebigdogyeah i won the "FAT BOY"
19:59.13thebigdog~roll
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20:11.31justincarmony~roll
20:11.32ibotjustincarmony rolls (95)
20:11.35justincarmonywoohoo!
20:12.16stderr~roll
20:12.17ibotstderr rolls (99)
20:12.23stderr:P
20:12.24justincarmony....
20:12.28DexterTheDragon~roll
20:12.28ibotdexterthedragon rolls (94)
20:15.11wpsibot, dance
20:15.12ibot<(*.*<) <(*.*)> \(*.*)/ (>*.*)>
20:18.28stderribot, disco
20:18.29ibotburn, baby, burn
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20:28.31thebigdogso i thought of a pretty bad t-shirt
20:29.02thebigdogbasically it say "i survived the holocaust and all i got was a crappy tattoo!"
20:29.20thebigdogthe things you think about on the toilet
20:29.43thebigdogi think stderr would wear it though
20:33.16stderrheh, this just arrived a couple days ago: http://tinyurl.com/7gpzca
20:35.22tierrayou should wear it to a family reunion :)
20:35.43stderryours?
20:35.47tierraheh
20:35.50stderr:D
20:36.22stderrI'm wearing shorts to gibba's wedding
20:36.27stderris the reception outside?
20:38.32SunSparcHere is a fun political sound clip for the day:  http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/28574/
20:39.48stderrDoes Glenn Beck do something other than sob like a woman?  I don't think I've ever actually heard him say anything.
20:39.57SunSparclol
20:40.36beandoglol
20:43.23Lone_WandererSunSparc, mindjuju - the craigslist guy responded
20:43.28Lone_Wandererhttp://www.miraclesalsa.com/ is a site he's working on
20:43.35SunSparcSweet!
20:43.44Lone_Wandererwhich has some gorgeous photography but...
20:43.48Lone_Wandererwell, you'll see
20:44.08SunSparcWow, that is one of the MOST PROFESSIONAL sites I have ever seen!
20:44.18Lone_Wandererit's SO PROFESSIONAL!
20:44.22SunSparcLOL
20:44.32Lone_Wandererhe also included screenshots
20:44.54unumstderr: did you see monday's colbert report?
20:44.55DexterTheDragonnothin like some iframes
20:44.57SunSparcThat is all I need to see.  He is hired.
20:45.04Lone_Wandererunfortunately he doesn't have anything embarassing (except MS Paint) in the taskbar on them
20:45.05unummaybe it was last nights daily show
20:45.14unumnow I have no idea, I give up
20:45.17SunSparcYeah, iframes are so tomorrow's technology!
20:45.34SunSparcMS Paint?
20:45.46Lone_Wandereryeah
20:45.58stderraw leave the poor kid alone
20:46.15Lone_Wandererstderr: I'm going to tell him about UPHPU and invite him to join us
20:46.25stderrjust so you can mock him?
20:46.27Lone_Wanderer"Join us!  It's Bliisssssss!"
20:46.27Lone_Wandererno
20:46.36SunSparcProbably the best decision he could make.
20:46.39Lone_Wandererso he can learn how to do it right
20:46.42DexterTheDragonno validation on the contact form
20:47.32unumI have a friend that wants to create a design group
20:47.47unumthough the stuff you are talking about is really more programming...
20:48.04SunSparcI think there is already a Utah Designers group.
20:48.49unumany idea how I would find it
20:49.12Lone_Wandererokay so if you add up all the deadlifts I'm going to do today
20:49.16SunSparcOH SWEET!!  I found it.  MS Paint is so awesome ->  http://www.spike.com/video/amazing-microsoft/2974666
20:49.21Lone_Wandererit totals 3.6 metric tons
20:49.31Lone_Wanderer(49 * 165 pounds)
20:51.10SunSparcunum: I think wps may be in it...
20:51.17SunSparcI am trying to remember their web address...
20:51.56SunSparcAh
20:51.59SunSparcunum: http://ugaf.org/
20:53.02brastofungus - nice job catching the spam and alerting the plug list.  People will think twice about abusing the list like that again!
20:53.21unumI have an other friend that might be interested in that
20:53.23fungushehe.
20:54.40wpsI started and run the Utah Graphic Artists Forum (Guild)
20:54.52wpshow can I help you, unum?
20:56.20unumah cool
20:56.30unumI have a friend who was thinking a group like that would be nice
20:56.35unumI pointed him to your web site
20:56.52unumdo you talk much about web site design
20:57.06wpsthat more than other aspects, yes
20:57.19unumok, I think that's right a long the lines he was thinking
20:57.34unumI'll have to push people that direction....
20:57.39unummaybe stop by myself
20:57.39wpsplease do
20:57.47wpsparticipation has been low
21:20.10justincarmonywait...
21:20.15justincarmonythere is a Tron 2.0 coming out?
21:21.13SunSparcYep
21:21.16SunSparcTR2N
21:21.24SunSparcBeen in the works for years.
21:26.39justincarmonyawww, josephscott's family had their son about an hour ago
21:27.20SunSparcCool
21:43.21beandoghave you seen the trailer?
21:43.28beandogit's awwwwwwwesome
21:44.07beandogmy server's name is alan-one
21:44.08beandogheh
21:44.09beandog:)
21:44.13SunSparcI have only seen a pirated TR2N trailer.  I want to see more.
21:44.26SunSparcheh
21:44.35wpshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6jfm0hq0bk
21:44.47beandogSunSparc, http://optics.csufresno.edu/images/stories/kriehn/pcmaclinux.jpg
21:45.04SunSparcbeandog: heh, I have seen that.  Funny.
21:45.17SunSparcwps: wow!  an official trailer!
21:46.05beandogthe music is awesome
21:46.10beandogsounds like they are reusing the old theme
21:46.55beandogwow the sound quality is lots better on this one
21:47.48beandogFlynn looks very zen
21:47.49wpswait… is that for a Tron game?
21:47.56beandogwps, movie
21:48.06beandogthere is a game
21:48.10beandogTRON 2.0
21:48.12beandogis awesome.
21:49.29beandoghttp://www.amazon.com/Tron-Lightcyle-Exclusive-Action-Figure/dp/B000UAIU2A/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1248904145&sr=8-4
21:49.31beandognice
21:49.31beandog:D
21:50.12SunSparcSAWHEAT!!!!
21:50.15beandogooh I bet theyre gonna release the original on blu-ray
21:50.32SunSparcThat trailer makes me drool!!!
21:56.28unumlet's say I need to restore one postgresql table from back up
21:56.33unumwhat's the easiest way to do that
21:57.20SunSparcunum: call thebigdog and have him do it
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21:57.34beandogwhat ever happened to the Real DVD trial?
21:57.43unumI should not have been sloppy.....
21:57.52unumI knew it was a bad idea when I did it....
21:58.46stderr"drop table" ? yea.  usually is.
21:59.02unumDELETE USING
22:00.11stderr>_<
22:00.46unum4000 rows uh oh
22:00.50SunSparcAlways run your query as a SELECT before running it as anything else.
22:00.54unumya
22:01.01unumbut the select is formatted differently
22:01.13SunSparcStill a good practice
22:01.32unumI wasn't sure how to run a delete similiar to how the select would work
22:01.41unumnow I know how not to do it
22:01.48SunSparcheh
22:02.01SunSparcCall in the cavalry
22:03.25stderryes?
22:03.33SunSparc:)
22:03.45unumfortunatly it was only a logging table
22:03.57unumwhich was backed up this morning with few changes taking place after that
22:04.12beandogthat's not dramatic enough
22:04.38beandogyou have to say something like, "and now some little girl won't get her pony."
22:05.00unumthe system is still in beta testing as well
22:05.02SunSparcHAH!
22:05.22SunSparcOh, well then what is all the fuss?
22:05.37SunSparc;)
22:06.00unumwell if I corrupt the data it puts us behind an other two weeks on going live
22:06.20beandogand then some girl won't get her pony.
22:06.24SunSparcExactly
22:06.40Lone_Wandereroh man
22:06.43Lone_Wandereryou can't withhold the ponies
22:06.46Lone_Wandererthat's a sin
22:14.14unumand of course the whole reason I did that wasn't even the problem...
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23:03.23SunSparcLater allz!
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23:18.59mgearyhey,
23:19.04mgearywho's around?
23:23.02romanovicone hour until romanovic's home tiem!
23:23.22mgearywhy would i be getting this:
23:23.32mgearystat=Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1]
23:23.34mgearyfrom sendmail
23:23.39mgearywhen apache tries to send an email?
23:23.51herlowell, it's not accepting connections on localhost
23:23.54mgearywell duh
23:23.58mgearylet me rephrase
23:24.05herlolook for DaemonOptions in sendmail.mc
23:24.06mgearyhow can i allow smtp connections on localhost?
23:24.09mgearyi'm looking at it
23:24.11mgearywait
23:24.12mgeary.mc?
23:24.13herlomgeary: I knew your answer
23:24.15mgearynot .cf?
23:24.17herloyeah
23:24.22herlocf get's generated from cf
23:24.28herlolet me try that again
23:24.30herlocf get's generated from mc
23:24.35herlousing the m4 language
23:24.38herlowhat distro?
23:24.40mgearyDAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA')dnl
23:24.42mgearycentOS
23:25.19herloso that looks right, but
23:25.23herloyou can just do this
23:25.51herloahh, crap, I'm trying to remember.  I'm out of practice
23:27.06herlotry this
23:27.18herloDAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Name=MTA')dnl
23:27.36herlomind you, that will probably listen on *all* configured nics
23:27.42herlobut if that doesn't work, let me know
23:27.56herlomgeary: however, that should be working
23:28.13herlomgeary: have you done 'make sendmail.cf' with that in there and restarted sendmail?
23:28.19mgearywell
23:28.24mgearythis line is in my sendmail.cf:
23:28.41mgearyO DaemonPortOptions=Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA
23:28.52mgearyso, you're saying remove the Addr option?
23:29.05mgearycan i just replace sendmail with postfix?
23:29.51herlosure
23:29.54herlopostfix is easier
23:29.59herlohere's what you do
23:30.01mgearyrephrased, i'm going to just replace sendmail with postfix
23:30.14herlooh, do you know how ?? if so, i'll leave you to it
23:30.53mgearybingo
23:30.55mgearythat was easy
23:31.48herlodid you get ti working with sendmail?
23:31.52mgearyi didn't
23:31.59mgearyi installed postfix, stopped sendmail, started postfix
23:32.05mgearyand sent a test email
23:32.12mgearythe test didn't work via sendmail, but worked via postfix
23:32.13herloalternatives is the best damn program
23:32.18herlocool beans
23:32.28herlojust as secure, but easier to get setup
23:32.33mgearyiirc, postfix has very logical defaults (not an open relay), so i think i'm all set
23:32.42herloyup
23:32.51mgearytell me this, though
23:32.53herlosendmail is the same that way though, so it's odd you couldn't send ootb
23:33.17mgearyif i stop sendmail via /etc/init.d/sendmail stop, will it start up automatically on reboot?
23:33.40mgearylikewise for starting with postfix
23:34.11herloprobably
23:34.13herlodo this
23:34.16herlochkconfig sendmail off
23:34.21herloand chkconfig postfix on
23:34.24herloand you'll be set
23:35.11mgearygreat, thank you
23:35.59herlonp

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