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| 00:22.27 | beandog | yo ho yo ho |
| 00:23.42 | mindjuju | back already? |
| 00:23.48 | beandog | back home |
| 00:24.01 | beandog | trying to decide if I wanna go skate or stay here and code |
| 00:24.03 | beandog | ahh, summer |
| 00:24.48 | mindjuju | can't you do both? |
| 00:24.50 | Lone_Wanderer | skate? |
| 00:24.57 | Lone_Wanderer | skateboard? |
| 00:25.03 | mindjuju | skate now and code after dark |
| 00:25.20 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: yah |
| 00:25.22 | mindjuju | course that only works if you're nocturnal |
| 00:25.25 | beandog | mindjuju: usually I go at night |
| 00:25.28 | beandog | around 10 p or so |
| 00:26.38 | mindjuju | just not rigged for it |
| 00:26.59 | Lone_Wanderer | beandog: I didn't know you were a pot smoking anarchist!!! |
| 00:27.08 | mindjuju | !?! |
| 00:27.17 | Lone_Wanderer | (Skaters.) |
| 00:29.50 | beandog | heh |
| 00:30.08 | beandog | there are so few skaters who fit the stereotype |
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| 00:37.15 | beandog | dunno |
| 00:37.20 | beandog | I think I am gonna head tho |
| 00:37.27 | mindjuju | have fun |
| 00:37.28 | Lone_Wanderer | later, have fun with the skating |
| 00:37.57 | beandog | tanks |
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| 02:58.36 | beandog | hey DexterTheDragon |
| 02:58.41 | DexterTheDragon | sup beandog |
| 02:58.45 | beandog | nada |
| 02:58.53 | beandog | gonna eat dinner, watch some Chips |
| 02:58.54 | beandog | you? |
| 02:58.57 | Lone_Wanderer | how was the boarding? |
| 02:59.03 | beandog | good workout |
| 02:59.05 | beandog | good practice |
| 02:59.06 | beandog | :) |
| 02:59.07 | Lone_Wanderer | :) |
| 02:59.10 | DexterTheDragon | just woke up from a nap on the couch |
| 02:59.14 | Lone_Wanderer | What's the most advanced thing you can do? |
| 02:59.18 | beandog | ah, naps are good |
| 02:59.22 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: not fall off |
| 02:59.28 | DexterTheDragon | haha |
| 02:59.29 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, excellent |
| 02:59.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm still working on that one myself |
| 02:59.38 | beandog | :) |
| 02:59.42 | beandog | I'm working on kickturns |
| 02:59.48 | beandog | I can't get a frontside for the life of me |
| 02:59.49 | beandog | rawr. |
| 02:59.58 | Lone_Wanderer | I.... don't know what those are. |
| 03:00.00 | beandog | my body just refuses to do it |
| 03:00.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Practice it over and over in slow motion. |
| 03:00.27 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: its just popping the board up slightly and turning to the left |
| 03:01.37 | beandog | and I can't do it even in slow motion, so that won't work |
| 03:01.42 | Lone_Wanderer | d'oh |
| 03:01.47 | Lone_Wanderer | is it possible to do it in slow motion? |
| 03:01.50 | beandog | it's one of thsoe things my body is justl ike "what the crap are you trying to do?" and I sort of flail around |
| 03:02.05 | Lone_Wanderer | can you break it down into parts and practice those? |
| 03:02.14 | beandog | that's what Im working on |
| 03:02.24 | beandog | I know it involves positioning your head, then moving your shoulders, then kicking |
| 03:02.36 | beandog | Ive got the first two down, I think. |
| 03:02.39 | beandog | well, thats what Ive been practicing |
| 03:02.40 | beandog | anyway |
| 03:02.43 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, it's a whole body thing |
| 03:02.46 | beandog | just gotta practice, practice, practice |
| 03:02.49 | beandog | yah |
| 03:02.54 | beandog | body's gotta learn how to do it |
| 03:04.29 | DexterTheDragon | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xmdaovBNms |
| 03:05.18 | beandog | yah, Ive seen that one |
| 03:05.37 | beandog | The thing about skating I found out reaaaaaaaal early on is knowing how to do something and being able to are completely different things |
| 03:06.42 | beandog | "lets try a simple 180 kickturn!" |
| 03:06.44 | beandog | oh boy. |
| 03:06.59 | Lone_Wanderer | he makes it look easy |
| 03:07.18 | beandog | thats the frustrating part |
| 03:07.28 | beandog | oh well |
| 03:07.30 | beandog | practice, practice |
| 03:07.31 | beandog | :) |
| 03:07.38 | beandog | I'm going to Fairmont tonight |
| 03:07.47 | beandog | practice on the ramps at the skate park |
| 03:07.53 | beandog | its soooooooooo much easier there. |
| 03:08.04 | Lone_Wanderer | why easier? |
| 03:08.12 | beandog | I dunno |
| 03:08.26 | beandog | but just going up a ramp, then turning on it feels a lot more natural |
| 03:08.29 | beandog | takes less effort, for one |
| 03:08.36 | beandog | dunno. just does |
| 03:09.30 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh ok |
| 03:10.44 | beandog | once nice thing, theres a lot of how to videos on youtube |
| 03:10.49 | beandog | makes it easier if you can see someone describing it |
| 03:15.17 | beandog | alright |
| 03:15.20 | beandog | the microwave is calling my name |
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| 03:45.37 | beandog | where is thursdays meeting |
| 03:45.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh! THAT'S why I'm hungry! |
| 03:45.59 | Lone_Wanderer | I haven't eaten all day. |
| 03:46.02 | Lone_Wanderer | I mean why I have a headache. |
| 03:46.04 | beandog | heh |
| 03:46.24 | beandog | ~twinkie Lone_Wanderer |
| 03:46.25 | ibot | ACTION takes a twinkie from beandog, slurps the filling out, and then hands it to Lone_Wanderer |
| 03:46.30 | beandog | lols |
| 03:46.35 | Lone_Wanderer | ugh |
| 03:46.42 | Lone_Wanderer | I would die if I ate a twinkie. |
| 03:46.49 | beandog | whys that |
| 03:46.59 | Lone_Wanderer | I've been on a weird diet |
| 03:47.01 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: holy crap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJhqvbCC_Ag&NR=1 |
| 03:47.06 | Lone_Wanderer | whose value I question but |
| 03:47.14 | Lone_Wanderer | it does lead to improved performance in the gym |
| 03:47.17 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: the meetings where it always is |
| 03:47.22 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: ok |
| 03:47.30 | Lone_Wanderer | but supposedly if you go back to eating junk food, it just makes you feel like crap |
| 03:48.53 | DexterTheDragon | time to learn to finger flip |
| 03:49.41 | beandog | freak. |
| 03:49.53 | Lone_Wanderer | okay harry potter time |
| 03:50.08 | beandog | lates |
| 03:50.43 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: can you Tic Tac? |
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| 04:10.56 | thebigdog | i love nights |
| 04:10.59 | thebigdog | hardly anyone is on |
| 04:11.58 | influx | BOOGEDY BOO |
| 04:13.20 | DexterTheDragon | thebigdog: you enjoy hanging on irc by yourself? |
| 04:14.37 | influx | :D |
| 04:14.52 | thebigdog | seems like it |
| 04:14.56 | thebigdog | i dont have to irc in the day |
| 04:15.01 | thebigdog | just kinda lurk is all |
| 04:15.10 | thebigdog | too many people bugging me |
| 04:15.13 | thebigdog | at home i got time |
| 04:15.23 | thebigdog | but most are offline by then |
| 04:15.36 | romanovic | i don't know how people keep up on the channels during the day |
| 04:16.05 | romanovic | i start working on something for like 10 minutes, come back, and i'm completely lost |
| 04:16.19 | DexterTheDragon | this channel isn't too fast |
| 04:16.29 | DexterTheDragon | there's some channels that are impossible |
| 04:16.49 | thebigdog | yeah there are channels that are crazy fast |
| 04:17.00 | romanovic | most of the time i'm only in here, #utah and #utos and that is about the max i can handle |
| 05:29.12 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: not really |
| 05:29.14 | beandog | kind of |
| 05:35.29 | beandog | http://torrentfreak.com/hidim-converts-torrents-into-png-images-090714/ |
| 05:35.31 | beandog | now that is slick. |
| 05:35.41 | herlo | hehe |
| 05:35.42 | beandog | "Once the torrent is converted you can easily share it via image hosting services or social networking sites that donât allow the uploading of .torrent files." |
| 05:35.42 | herlo | nice |
| 05:36.10 | beandog | heya herlo |
| 05:36.25 | herlo | beandog: hi |
| 05:36.29 | beandog | herlo: hows things |
| 05:36.38 | herlo | beandog: busy as usual |
| 05:36.42 | beandog | yah? |
| 05:36.50 | beandog | thats good I guess |
| 05:36.54 | herlo | trying to roll out a new utos-conman for our staging site tonight |
| 05:37.00 | herlo | having issues with generators in python :( |
| 05:37.04 | beandog | poo |
| 05:37.15 | herlo | http://fpaste.org/paste/18758 |
| 05:37.18 | herlo | yeah, not fun ^^ |
| 05:37.32 | beandog | ooh I like that paste service |
| 05:37.49 | beandog | sexy |
| 05:39.34 | beandog | alright I have got to get to bed |
| 05:39.35 | beandog | g'nite all |
| 05:41.34 | herlo | gnight |
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| 13:41.41 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngRq82c8Baw |
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| 14:24.31 | redroy | Morning everyone... I was hoping to get some help with mod_rewrite... I've got a pretty standard rewrite for a framework I'm working in... I'd like to nest a couple wordpress installations but my mod_rewrite modification doesn't seem to be working and I'm not sure why http://pastebin.com/d40714e99 |
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| 14:39.20 | redroy | scratch that... it was a miss in the wordpress rewrite that was messing things up |
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| 15:11.59 | mastergunns | utahcon: WAAAAAKKKKKKEEEEE UUUUPPPP |
| 15:18.53 | orsonj | ~wake utahcon |
| 15:18.54 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on utahcon and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 15:22.11 | utahcon | what? |
| 15:22.18 | utahcon | I are awake |
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| 15:36.07 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart mindjuju |
| 15:36.07 | ibot | drops a humongous exploding nuke on mindjuju |
| 15:36.16 | Heartsbane | ~rlart |
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| 15:37.04 | Heartsbane | Damn I was hoping for someone awake. |
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| 15:52.34 | Utah_Dave | I saw 6 deer on my jog just now. 3 were within 20 feet |
| 15:53.33 | beandog | do you go jogging through the forest? |
| 15:56.44 | Utah_Dave | No, there are a few stands of trees and some open space around where I work |
| 16:00.51 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, pingeh |
| 16:00.54 | mindjuju | utahdave - that video was awesome |
| 16:00.55 | mindjuju | ! |
| 16:01.01 | mindjuju | ~dtdhit dexterthedragon |
| 16:01.02 | ibot | ACTION stikes at dexterthedragon with the evil rooster chop knocking off an appendage! |
| 16:01.17 | beandog | whats dtdhit |
| 16:01.20 | DexterTheDragon | ~bdhit mindjuju |
| 16:01.20 | ibot | ACTION leaps to Sunrise Claw of the Cruel Snake on mindjuju |
| 16:01.31 | mindjuju | ~dhit dexterthedragon |
| 16:01.32 | ibot | ACTION appears on dexterthedragon's left side and performs the Ricer Slayer Blow upon dexterthedragon's shoulder |
| 16:01.36 | DexterTheDragon | ~dwhit beandog |
| 16:01.37 | ibot | ACTION leaps to Sunrise Claw of the Cruel Snake on beandog |
| 16:01.44 | mindjuju | ~nosepick macnewbold |
| 16:01.45 | ibot | ACTION plucks macnewbold out of the nose of humanity and flicks him out the window! |
| 16:01.52 | beandog | heh |
| 16:01.58 | macnewbold | ~lart mindjuju |
| 16:01.58 | ibot | runs at mindjuju with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
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| 16:57.19 | beandog | ~quiet |
| 16:57.20 | ibot | ACTION ok, ok, I will be quiet. When you start making sense, that is. |
| 16:58.42 | SunSparc | heh |
| 16:59.46 | PoeticIntensity | ~pong beandog |
| 16:59.46 | ibot | beandog: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:00.05 | beandog | o hai |
| 17:05.14 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 17:05.15 | ibot | pushes the wall down onto mrKrow whilst whistling innocently |
| 17:05.26 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 17:13.34 | itimber | sup guys |
| 17:14.20 | jsmith | the length of my to-do list? |
| 17:14.29 | jsmith | my weight? |
| 17:14.39 | jsmith | They're both up! |
| 17:21.05 | wps | where's mgeary? |
| 17:21.58 | DexterTheDragon | bottom of a lake? <.< >.> |
| 17:22.08 | beandog | sounds fun |
| 17:22.33 | carmony | Awww, my Presentations didn't make it in ZendCon. Oh well :P |
| 17:22.37 | carmony | I'll have to try next year :) |
| 17:23.00 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: just learn c++ oop |
| 17:23.06 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, well Im doing that too |
| 17:23.14 | DexterTheDragon | that's what I did |
| 17:23.29 | DexterTheDragon | then just be angry at that craptaticness of php's oop |
| 17:23.35 | beandog | heh |
| 17:23.40 | stderr | it's pretty bad |
| 17:23.46 | carmony | lol |
| 17:24.15 | carmony | I like to think of PHP's OOP as a "hybrid", it has OOP stuff in it, but it isn't a full blown OOP langauge where EVERYTHING is an object. |
| 17:24.46 | beandog | yah |
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| 17:25.32 | carmony | which I actually like, since it offers some flexibility in constrast to some other web languages |
| 17:25.32 | stderr | haha. |
| 17:25.58 | stderr | getting rid of primitive types offers much more flexibility |
| 17:26.03 | DexterTheDragon | flexible it ain't |
| 17:27.07 | carmony | Rarely do I run into a situation where I Think "Man, I wish PHP could do this..." |
| 17:27.24 | stderr | why shouldn't an integer or a string have methods? |
| 17:27.43 | DexterTheDragon | it doesn't even have properties..... |
| 17:28.05 | stderr | proper OOP enables all types of cool stuff. And doesn't nix other methodologies. |
| 17:28.24 | stderr | Ruby's borrowing of a method receiving paradigm allows them do manipulate functional and OOP programming very elegantly |
| 17:29.00 | stderr | see: 5.times { |x| puts "countdown: #{x}" } |
| 17:29.25 | stderr | that'd actually be a countup but you see what I'm getting at. |
| 17:29.29 | mgeary | wps: woot! |
| 17:29.50 | stderr | nixing primitive types allows more expressive DSLs and a cleaner 1:1 interface between your thought processes and code. |
| 17:30.54 | stderr | whereas a class-based OOP scheme like PHP hacks from C++ forces you to define objects from classes which isn't always an elegant solution. |
| 17:31.28 | stderr | Java of course takes this to the max since it forces your whole line of execution to exist in a class. |
| 17:31.45 | wps | has Josh's last name always been Fenio? |
| 17:31.56 | carmony | yeah, the Java / .NET route is insane I think |
| 17:31.59 | stderr | no I changed it a couple years ago |
| 17:32.28 | wps | ahâ¦Â I know that that didn't sound familiar |
| 17:32.31 | carmony | I can't get into ruby because I'm so partial to a C++ like syntax |
| 17:32.48 | DexterTheDragon | yet php isn't? |
| 17:32.53 | wps | sorry I didn't see youâ¦Â I was looking for dataw0lf |
| 17:33.01 | stderr | wps: haha no worries |
| 17:33.02 | wps | forgetting you also go by stderr |
| 17:33.04 | carmony | its more than Ruby :P |
| 17:33.15 | DexterTheDragon | oh I read that wrong |
| 17:33.30 | carmony | lol |
| 17:36.58 | carmony | But I *am* glad for ruby and other languages cause I really do believe in healthy competition brings out the best in products |
| 17:37.20 | DexterTheDragon | like goto |
| 17:37.37 | SunSparc | heh |
| 17:39.02 | carmony | lol, I highly doubt I will ever write a single line of code w/ goto |
| 17:39.55 | SunSparc | I would feel all sorts of dirty if I did. |
| 17:40.11 | DexterTheDragon | yeah but that doesn't mean you won't have to maintain someone's who did |
| 17:40.11 | SunSparc | Unless I was doing it for entertainment. |
| 17:40.38 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: Oh, you did not just throw that curse down did you? |
| 17:41.02 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:41.44 | SunSparc | If I ever found a goto in some code I would form a hunting party and kill me some newb. |
| 17:43.06 | Lone_Wanderer | carmony: Not being willing to learn other languages (for whatever reason) could be why you never find yourself thinking "Man I wish PHP could do X..." |
| 17:43.23 | DexterTheDragon | Lone_Wanderer: thats exactly what happened to me |
| 17:43.37 | DexterTheDragon | always thought PHP was super great, until I learned python |
| 17:44.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, if you're a Blub programmer, you're never going to wish for anything different. |
| 17:44.57 | Lone_Wanderer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Graham#Blub |
| 17:45.32 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: I just got a tweet from Astro_127 saying he is putting on his suit. |
| 17:45.44 | Lone_Wanderer | It's business time? |
| 17:45.49 | Lone_Wanderer | (It is Wednesday.) |
| 17:45.50 | DexterTheDragon | SunSparc: yeah saw that, so hopefully it clears up |
| 17:46.23 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN0oDnoc3-c |
| 17:46.36 | Lone_Wanderer | (It's Business Time) |
| 17:46.42 | carmony | I've learned several languages, but I totally agree with you, the more languages you learn the better your all around skills become as a developer |
| 17:47.49 | Lone_Wanderer | (Also, that video may not be work safe depending on where you work.) |
| 17:54.21 | mindjuju | if one were looking for smb.conf, where would one look? |
| 17:54.48 | DexterTheDragon | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.34 | Lone_Wanderer | ..... |
| 17:55.50 | Lone_Wanderer | On Labor Day I'm going to Seattle for PAX |
| 17:56.19 | Lone_Wanderer | a week before that I'm going to be arriving at Ft. Huachuca for training |
| 17:56.43 | Lone_Wanderer | so I need to find out when we'll be released and when we need to get back so I can buy tickets |
| 17:57.20 | Lone_Wanderer | can't find contact info for anyone there so I emailed my platoon sergeant about it |
| 17:57.34 | Lone_Wanderer | he responds with "Once you get checked in there, you'll be able to get all that information." |
| 17:58.45 | unum | that sucks |
| 17:58.51 | unum | I just got back from seattle |
| 17:59.17 | unum | I've been playing with my monkey from magic mouse toys |
| 17:59.29 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 18:00.16 | unum | I wonder if my friend is teaching a work shop this year |
| 18:00.24 | unum | I haven't heard him saying anything about it |
| 18:00.27 | Lone_Wanderer | at PAX? |
| 18:00.39 | unum | ya I think he taught one before |
| 18:00.43 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 18:00.46 | Lone_Wanderer | what's his name? |
| 18:00.54 | unum | eric tams |
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| 18:40.23 | mindjuju | hmmm... aerial fungus |
| 18:40.31 | fungus | hehe, yup |
| 18:40.43 | mindjuju | solo jump or tandem? |
| 18:40.48 | mindjuju | or school? |
| 18:40.57 | fungus | tandem totally. I've never done it before |
| 18:41.09 | mindjuju | that's awesome! |
| 18:41.50 | mindjuju | yeah, i can imagine |
| 18:41.52 | stderr | you'll be fine |
| 18:41.59 | stderr | do they offer a recording service? |
| 18:42.04 | fungus | Yup |
| 18:42.05 | mindjuju | i went bungie jumping off a 200 ft crane |
| 18:42.09 | stderr | nice |
| 18:42.20 | mindjuju | it was nuts, but... |
| 18:42.22 | mindjuju | you'll do well |
| 18:42.40 | fungus | Yeah, I know in my head it is perfectly safe. |
| 18:44.04 | stderr | we should solo together in a month or two :) |
| 18:44.23 | fungus | Yeah, I was thinking about getting certified for that. |
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| 18:45.13 | fungus | Jumps are only $20 after certification |
| 18:45.25 | stderr | yea it's cheap after you cert |
| 18:49.44 | thebigdog | i want to do that jump where you do it without anything and land in the nets |
| 18:50.03 | fungus | that would be cool too |
| 18:50.49 | mindjuju | is that the thing with the suit you wear? |
| 18:50.55 | mindjuju | flying squirrel style? |
| 18:51.03 | thebigdog | it might be |
| 18:51.08 | thebigdog | i saw it on tv once |
| 18:51.23 | fungus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yrj49kTgW0 |
| 18:51.25 | thebigdog | where they jumped off cliffs and landed in nets |
| 18:51.48 | mindjuju | oh, this is what i meant |
| 18:51.49 | mindjuju | http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070209-wingsuit.html |
| 18:51.49 | fungus | http://www.extremeworld.com/ |
| 18:51.51 | mindjuju | it's not the same |
| 18:52.27 | fungus | yeah, wingsuit jumping would be really cool |
| 18:53.32 | thebigdog | fungus you should do this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM_9s9-Neuk |
| 18:54.25 | fungus | nah, those vines scare me |
| 18:54.45 | fungus | I like modern engineering |
| 18:54.53 | thebigdog | i have seen the winged suits they are awesome to watch |
| 18:55.33 | thebigdog | the one i saw was like terminal velocity where you had to run and jump to it |
| 19:02.49 | itimber | back in a bit guys |
| 19:02.52 | Lone_Wanderer | So... hitting the ground at 30mph is considered "safe"? |
| 19:04.12 | fungus | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/07/r2e-nsas-power--and-money-sucking-datacenter-buildout-continues.ars |
| 19:04.22 | fungus | is Utah_Dave aware or involved? |
| 19:05.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Heh, they said Ft. Williams. |
| 19:05.49 | Utah_Dave | fungus: nope, not involved, but they're going to be my neighbors. They've already snagged some of our employees |
| 19:05.53 | Lone_Wanderer | (It's Camp Williams) |
| 19:06.15 | fungus | bummer, they won't let you in. |
| 19:06.42 | fungus | or will they in the future? |
| 19:06.59 | Utah_Dave | Probably. I'm not really interested. |
| 19:07.10 | Lone_Wanderer | I doubt they'd tell me what it's for though. |
| 19:07.24 | fungus | I love big fancy datacenters. |
| 19:07.41 | fungus | it's like porn |
| 19:07.45 | fungus | :) |
| 19:09.39 | carmony | LOL |
| 19:10.26 | Utah_Dave | fungus: It's going to be bigger than the datacenters in your dreams |
| 19:10.50 | Utah_Dave | It's going to pull almost as much power as Salt Lake City |
| 19:11.00 | fungus | cool. just thinking about it ........ |
| 19:11.14 | Utah_Dave | They picked the location because they'll need to pull from both Salt Lake County and Utah County power grids. |
| 19:11.15 | Lone_Wanderer | holy crap, are you serious? |
| 19:11.28 | fungus | more DC pr0n: http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-04-08-n39.html |
| 19:11.34 | Lone_Wanderer | that's ridiculous |
| 19:11.37 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, SLC pull 65 megwatts and the datacenter will pull 62, or something like that |
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| 19:11.57 | Utah_Dave | I'm probably off on the numbers, but it's something like that |
| 19:12.07 | Lone_Wanderer | that's insane |
| 19:12.21 | Utah_Dave | Camp Williams has a lot of water rights. They're going to use the water for cooling |
| 19:12.47 | fungus | That location is really good for a DC that size. |
| 19:13.30 | Utah_Dave | yeah |
| 19:13.32 | Lone_Wanderer | great, just what we need, more people sucking up water |
| 19:14.02 | Lone_Wanderer | what we *really* need is to shut down 90% of the farms in Utah |
| 19:14.30 | fungus | shut down farms? why? |
| 19:14.41 | Lone_Wanderer | because farming in Utah is retarded |
| 19:14.54 | Lone_Wanderer | and agriculture uses something like 80% of the state's water |
| 19:15.01 | fungus | Utah is really big, not all areas are desert wastelands |
| 19:15.22 | unum | then they can do with out irrigation :) |
| 19:15.24 | wps | I'd ban golf courses and homes in St. George before shutting down farms |
| 19:15.59 | Lone_Wanderer | No, not all areas are desert wastelands, but farming in Utah really doesn't make sense any more |
| 19:15.59 | unum | and especially golf courses in st. george |
| 19:16.03 | Lone_Wanderer | the soil quality here is poor |
| 19:16.50 | Lone_Wanderer | agriculture here uses so much water, and produces so little compared to what they use, that trying to maintain it is silly |
| 19:17.14 | Lone_Wanderer | golf courses use a lot of water too, but you can't import golfing from out of state |
| 19:18.15 | wps | importing is foolish though |
| 19:18.22 | wps | we should grow and buy local |
| 19:18.25 | Lone_Wanderer | I disagree. |
| 19:18.29 | wps | if we can't grow here, we shouldn't live here |
| 19:18.38 | Lone_Wanderer | So nobody should live in Arizona? |
| 19:18.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Or NYC? |
| 19:18.41 | wps | yup |
| 19:18.50 | wps | I think living in arizona is stupid |
| 19:19.02 | wps | how much energy do they waste on air conditioning? |
| 19:19.04 | Lone_Wanderer | We should all move to the Red River Valley and California? |
| 19:19.05 | beandog | I dont quite understand living somewhere where it's not self-sustainable |
| 19:19.20 | Lone_Wanderer | That's kind of the point of the division of labor, beandog. |
| 19:19.22 | wps | the second transportation is disrupted, you're screwed |
| 19:19.28 | beandog | exactly |
| 19:19.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Nobody is self-sustainable any more. You can't make 90% of the things you rely on yourself. |
| 19:19.42 | beandog | I know |
| 19:19.50 | beandog | but usually the cities that are populated import *and* export |
| 19:19.54 | beandog | what if theres nothing to export? |
| 19:19.57 | beandog | you're just a drain. |
| 19:20.06 | Lone_Wanderer | If it doesn't make sense to do something yourself (including growing food in your own state) then why do it? |
| 19:20.10 | beandog | here, have some sand. |
| 19:20.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, they manage to live there, so apparently they're getting money from somewhere. |
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| 19:20.42 | beandog | It doesnt have anything to do with money |
| 19:20.48 | beandog | Because of transportation, you can have a city literally anywhere |
| 19:21.09 | beandog | but it makes more sense to have something that they can produce and trade for the stuff they can't create themselves |
| 19:21.21 | Lone_Wanderer | imports and exports are basically the same as money |
| 19:21.24 | Lone_Wanderer | since you use money to pay for them |
| 19:21.25 | beandog | Right |
| 19:21.31 | wps | I also think that people that live in Florida are idiots |
| 19:21.32 | Lone_Wanderer | so it does have something to do with money |
| 19:21.34 | beandog | But I'd argue against building a city where there's nothing to export. |
| 19:21.41 | wps | and people that live behind levies are idiots |
| 19:21.42 | beandog | like in the middle of Arizona. |
| 19:21.56 | wps | and people that live in New Orleans are idiots |
| 19:22.18 | wps | and people that moved back into New Orleans after Katrina and rebuilt are super idiots |
| 19:22.19 | DexterTheDragon | and people that live along the wasatch front are idiots |
| 19:22.39 | wps | and people that build homes in the Riverbottoms in Provo are idiots |
| 19:22.41 | fungus | Yikes, i'm being reminded of a silly song from church sunday school |
| 19:22.41 | Lone_Wanderer | wps, you live in a state that couldn't possibly support modern cities without extensive irrigation and other human-made infrastructure |
| 19:23.16 | DexterTheDragon | I don't really see how living in utah is much different than living in new orleans |
| 19:23.25 | beandog | o.O |
| 19:23.27 | beandog | um, whot? |
| 19:23.32 | beandog | we dont have beaches, for one. |
| 19:23.42 | fungus | we have beaches... |
| 19:23.46 | Lone_Wanderer | The early settlers here had to import the best irrigation experts in the world (the Dutch) to help them figure out how to grow crops |
| 19:23.50 | fungus | not very nice smelling, but we have em |
| 19:23.54 | beandog | fungus, heh |
| 19:23.56 | wps | yes, extensive irrigation, Lone_Wandererâ¦Â but we are self-sustained |
| 19:24.00 | DexterTheDragon | well going off the arguements just presented |
| 19:24.05 | Lone_Wanderer | no, we're not even close to self-sustained |
| 19:24.09 | DexterTheDragon | most of utah is built along a major fault line |
| 19:24.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Utah grows a tiny, tiny fraction of the food required by our current population |
| 19:24.32 | wps | yup, DexterTheDragon |
| 19:24.37 | DexterTheDragon | and on top of an underground lake |
| 19:24.38 | wps | and when we are due for a big one |
| 19:24.47 | wps | and we are due⦠|
| 19:25.18 | Lone_Wanderer | we're not going to have a big one |
| 19:25.26 | Lone_Wanderer | there are tiny earthquakes constantly |
| 19:25.27 | wps | but out of all of the places you can live in this country, I believe you are much, much smarter to live in place that has an earthquake each century than one that has a hurricane each month |
| 19:25.46 | Lone_Wanderer | so pressure doesn't build up |
| 19:25.54 | wps | (I'm referring to a catastrophic earthquakeâ¦Â not a little tremor) |
| 19:26.02 | DexterTheDragon | I've only seen new orleans rocked once |
| 19:26.03 | Lone_Wanderer | it's places that are on a fault line that never have earthquakes that you've got to worry about |
| 19:26.03 | wps | there are so many place that are smarter to live than florida |
| 19:26.29 | wps | idaho, montanna, colorado, wyoming, the dakotas |
| 19:26.42 | fungus | if wps had his way we'd all be midwestern hicks |
| 19:26.49 | Lone_Wanderer | At least they can grow their own food in Florida :p |
| 19:26.53 | beandog | uh, I think Id take Florida over Idaho |
| 19:27.05 | Lone_Wanderer | the midwest has tornadoes every year |
| 19:27.07 | wps | you're welcome to take florida |
| 19:27.26 | wps | but don't you dare come begging from help from the government when your life is wiped away by the next hurricane |
| 19:27.27 | thebigdog | i want montana |
| 19:27.36 | wps | I didn't say midwest |
| 19:27.48 | Lone_Wanderer | the dakotas are in the midwest ;) |
| 19:27.55 | jsmith | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468325,00.html |
| 19:27.55 | wps | barely |
| 19:28.02 | Lone_Wanderer | barely? |
| 19:28.06 | fungus | If my life is swallowed by an earthquake, I won't care, I'll be dead. |
| 19:28.08 | Lone_Wanderer | barely in is still in |
| 19:28.09 | jsmith | There's the actual map that shows your your likelihood of dying from natural disasters |
| 19:28.09 | wps | they are much more north and have substatially less tornadoes than the plains |
| 19:28.24 | jsmith | (and yes, I apologize in advance that it's Fox News) |
| 19:28.31 | Lone_Wanderer | ...the dakotas ARE the plains states |
| 19:28.34 | beandog | fungus, heh |
| 19:29.05 | beandog | lets just all move to Hawaii and be done with it. |
| 19:29.11 | Lone_Wanderer | they may not get as many tornadoes as Kansas, but they get plenty |
| 19:29.18 | thebigdog | time to move to ohio |
| 19:29.24 | thebigdog | or michigan |
| 19:29.26 | beandog | I think it's probably easier to outrun lava than a hurricane. |
| 19:29.26 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: They also have lots of people die from cold weather... |
| 19:29.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, blizzards. |
| 19:29.42 | wps | alrightâ¦Â forget the dakotas if you want |
| 19:29.44 | Lone_Wanderer | You get more warning with a hurricane though. |
| 19:29.50 | wps | I was mostly just picking landlocked states |
| 19:29.58 | wps | I think you're in idiot to live in the path of a hurricane |
| 19:30.08 | unum | or earthquake |
| 19:30.11 | unum | or tornade |
| 19:30.15 | unum | tornado |
| 19:30.21 | unum | or tidal waves |
| 19:30.29 | unum | did I miss any part of the world |
| 19:30.31 | Lone_Wanderer | So basically the entire east coast south of DC is full of idiots? |
| 19:30.39 | jsmith | wps: According to what I heard on the news... you're more than five times as likely to die from heat or cold than a hurricane, tornado, or earthquake |
| 19:30.55 | wps | probably true |
| 19:30.57 | Lone_Wanderer | In fact, all down the east coast, around Florida, and all the way to the Texas/Mexico border? They're all idiots? |
| 19:31.00 | beandog | unum, flocks of african swallows |
| 19:31.13 | wps | yup |
| 19:31.19 | wps | vacation thereâ¦Â but don't live there |
| 19:31.20 | beandog | well the biggest killer in the US is heart disease |
| 19:31.29 | Lone_Wanderer | So you're an idiot to have a heart too. |
| 19:31.29 | unum | so quit eating cows |
| 19:31.30 | beandog | So a bag of Pringles is gonna do more damage than anything. |
| 19:31.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Cut that bad boy right out of your chest, it's gonna kill you. |
| 19:31.49 | wps | you can live there if you wantâ¦Â but only if you're willing to accept the danger |
| 19:31.54 | fungus | amen! quit eating cows |
| 19:32.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Man, I love cows. |
| 19:32.05 | wps | and understand that it's your own responsibility to be prepared |
| 19:32.06 | Lone_Wanderer | They taste so good. |
| 19:32.07 | jsmith | Look at the map, people! http://www.ij-healthgeographics.com/content/7/1/64/figure/F1 |
| 19:32.15 | wps | and if you get completely wiped out then it's no one's fault but your own |
| 19:32.18 | beandog | cows++ |
| 19:32.24 | wps | and it's now one's responsibility to help you rebuild except your own |
| 19:32.30 | jsmith | Oops, this one: http://www.ij-healthgeographics.com/content/7/1/64/figure/F3 |
| 19:32.33 | Lone_Wanderer | ...that website resized my window and moved it |
| 19:32.33 | beandog | jsmith, wow, lightning is up there |
| 19:33.02 | jsmith | And if you think Utah is safe... look at this one: http://www.ij-healthgeographics.com/content/7/1/64/figure/F2 |
| 19:33.04 | wps | so is everyone in southeastern utah dying from heat? |
| 19:33.11 | fungus | life *is* risk. You just need to prioritize risk. |
| 19:33.18 | Lone_Wanderer | okay, no more healthgrographics.com links |
| 19:33.21 | fungus | and earthquakes in Utah are really low |
| 19:33.49 | DexterTheDragon | wps: heat, flash floods |
| 19:33.52 | beandog | personally I think moving somewhere just because its safer geographically is kinda dumb. |
| 19:33.56 | wps | alsoâ¦Â jsmith's maps are talking about mortality |
| 19:33.59 | wps | I wasn't necessarily |
| 19:34.01 | beandog | I'd rather move wherever I want and just enjoy life the best I can. |
| 19:34.09 | beandog | but at the same time, I'm not going to live inside a volcano, either. |
| 19:34.20 | wps | I was talking about being wiped outâ¦Â losing your home |
| 19:34.43 | beandog | heh |
| 19:34.43 | Lone_Wanderer | man I would |
| 19:34.43 | wps | how many cities in Utah have been wiped flat in the past thousand years? |
| 19:34.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd totally live inside a volcano |
| 19:34.51 | Lone_Wanderer | then I'd be a supervillain |
| 19:34.51 | wps | how many cities in Florida have been wiped flat in the past thousand years? |
| 19:34.54 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer, lol |
| 19:35.02 | wps | why would you pick florida? |
| 19:35.08 | beandog | Disney World. duh. |
| 19:35.17 | beandog | Seriously. Thats why I'd move there. |
| 19:35.21 | beandog | The amusement parks. |
| 19:35.22 | beandog | and the beaches. |
| 19:35.28 | wps | vacation there |
| 19:35.29 | DexterTheDragon | and kennedy space center |
| 19:35.31 | Lone_Wanderer | because it's got gorgeous weather 99% of the time, they have lovely beaches |
| 19:35.44 | wps | but why would you want to invest your life building a home there that's just going to be blow away next year? |
| 19:35.52 | fungus | Just have a second home in Utah for hurricane season |
| 19:35.55 | beandog | right |
| 19:36.00 | Lone_Wanderer | I think you're seriously overestimating the impact of hurricanes, wps |
| 19:36.03 | beandog | or build your house underground |
| 19:36.13 | fungus | hurricane season is relatively short, and has plenty of warning |
| 19:36.15 | Lone_Wanderer | you can't build underground in Florida, the water table is too high |
| 19:36.16 | wps | I hear on the news of at least one that comes through every year and destroys towns |
| 19:36.33 | DexterTheDragon | yeah the trailer parks |
| 19:36.38 | fungus | lol |
| 19:36.44 | beandog | well, people arent evacuating florida en masse, so it cant be *that* bad |
| 19:36.51 | DexterTheDragon | buildings that aren't really built to withstand wind of any kind |
| 19:36.59 | Lone_Wanderer | "destroys towns" means that a few telephone poles fall over and maybe someone's shingles come off their roof |
| 19:37.05 | wps | rightâ¦Â because they expect the government to come in and rebuild for them |
| 19:37.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, in some cases that's the govt.'s job |
| 19:37.23 | wps | (and yes, I'm stereotyping and overgeneralizing) |
| 19:37.26 | Lone_Wanderer | for example with the telephone poles |
| 19:37.36 | DexterTheDragon | and roads |
| 19:37.38 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer, no, its wayy more than that |
| 19:37.49 | beandog | peoples homes get ripped in half |
| 19:37.55 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 19:38.06 | Lone_Wanderer | it doesn't happen to every building every year though |
| 19:38.06 | beandog | kind of cool looking, actually |
| 19:38.14 | beandog | but yah, its not just knocked down telephone poles |
| 19:38.28 | mindjuju | so if we should abandon florida, does that take with it the east coast of texas too? |
| 19:38.34 | wps | right, Lone_Wanderer, but what's the risk factor compared to an earthquake in utah |
| 19:38.56 | tierra | anyone have both an Android phone and Google Voice? |
| 19:39.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, apparently they consider it an acceptable risk. |
| 19:39.05 | fungus | I had enough money/insurance to rebuild my home every 5-10 years, I would live in Florida. |
| 19:39.24 | Lone_Wanderer | e.e |
| 19:39.25 | tierra | I'm curious if the Voice app for it that apparently just came out ties calls through data, or over your line, or what |
| 19:39.25 | wps | right, there are people that think it's an acceptable risk and therefore live there |
| 19:39.40 | wps | but it's not fair to the rest of us that are contributing to taxes that come in and rebuild |
| 19:39.40 | mindjuju | i just wonder because i know texas has tons of ports on its east coast, and I imagine FLorida does too |
| 19:39.48 | Lone_Wanderer | good grief you guys, it's not like if you build something in Florida it's guaranteed to be destroyed or your money back |
| 19:39.50 | wps | I don't think a dime should have gone into rebuilding New Orleans |
| 19:39.57 | mindjuju | not being able to maintain those ports might be bad for the economy |
| 19:40.06 | mindjuju | or require a heck of a long commute daily :) |
| 19:40.07 | wps | they should have roped it off and let it go back to nature |
| 19:40.21 | Lone_Wanderer | You keep going on about rebuilding |
| 19:40.29 | Lone_Wanderer | I think you're talking about New Orleans, not Florida. |
| 19:40.52 | wps | living behind a levee is like eating lunch under a guillotine |
| 19:40.58 | beandog | wps, yah I kinda agree |
| 19:41.03 | Lone_Wanderer | New Orleans shouldn't have been there in the first place. |
| 19:41.06 | beandog | unless they thought they could fix the levies |
| 19:41.16 | wps | exactlyâ¦Â shouldn't have been there in the first place |
| 19:41.19 | DexterTheDragon | but is it the governments fault that the levees failed? |
| 19:41.32 | wps | the levees should never have been built |
| 19:41.35 | beandog | whose fault would it be otherwise? |
| 19:41.40 | Lone_Wanderer | wps: a lot of people in the Netherlands live behind dikes |
| 19:41.40 | mindjuju | actually in the case of NO, i think it was |
| 19:41.50 | mindjuju | levees weren't being maintained by the state government |
| 19:41.54 | Lone_Wanderer | they don't have the same geological problems that N.O. does though |
| 19:42.08 | wps | yupâ¦Â and I think it's stupidâ¦Â what disillusions you to the point that you think you can hold back the ocean? |
| 19:42.25 | mindjuju | that may be, but every state has issues |
| 19:42.29 | wps | and why do you have to live so close to the beach? |
| 19:42.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, they've been doing it successfully for hundreds, maybe thousands of years now |
| 19:42.32 | mindjuju | utah has forest fires yearly |
| 19:42.35 | mindjuju | why are we here? |
| 19:42.38 | wps | vacation there, but build your home up shore 100 miles |
| 19:42.42 | Lone_Wanderer | umm |
| 19:42.52 | Lone_Wanderer | in the Netherlands, it's not about living by the beach |
| 19:42.57 | DexterTheDragon | I'm waiting for pineview damn to break and take out my house |
| 19:42.58 | Lone_Wanderer | they needed the land for farming |
| 19:43.06 | Lone_Wanderer | so they reclaimed it from the ocean |
| 19:43.20 | wps | alrightâ¦Â so farm thereâ¦Â but don't build a city there |
| 19:43.31 | Lone_Wanderer | we're talking about two different things mate |
| 19:43.39 | Lone_Wanderer | New Orleans != Netherlands |
| 19:43.56 | wps | I'm generalizing them into the same bucket |
| 19:44.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, don't. |
| 19:44.04 | wps | I'd never live below sea level |
| 19:44.15 | wps | because I understand how gravity works |
| 19:44.22 | Lone_Wanderer | New Orleans is built on a pile of silt |
| 19:44.37 | Lone_Wanderer | and the only reason there was land there in the first place is because it got replaced by annual flooding |
| 19:44.58 | Lone_Wanderer | when they built the levees it stopped that process, so the silt built up around the city but not under it |
| 19:45.03 | Lone_Wanderer | it didn't start out below sea level |
| 19:45.43 | beandog | it started out as a bubble of plastic beads |
| 19:45.54 | wps | ~rimshot |
| 19:45.55 | ibot | ba-dum CHH |
| 19:45.58 | Lone_Wanderer | there was also a screw up with the Army Corps of Engineers there, iirc they dredged the river and narrowed it a little bit, which made the water flow faster, which had the effect of carrying silt out farther to sea |
| 19:46.11 | Lone_Wanderer | so instead of building up over time it just washed away |
| 19:46.31 | Lone_Wanderer | in summary, a lot of stupid things added up over time to destroy New Orleans - the hurricane just toppled it |
| 19:47.05 | Lone_Wanderer | the situation in the Netherlands is completely different - they're building on stable ground that just happens to be below sea level |
| 19:47.08 | tierra | btw, we build dams all over... my house in Idaho was one that was flooded in the Teton Dam Flood |
| 19:47.24 | Lone_Wanderer | afaik there's only one river in the US that's not dammed |
| 19:47.39 | wps | nothing wrong with building damsâ¦Â I just wouldn't build a home immediately below one |
| 19:47.55 | Lone_Wanderer | if you live in Utah Valley, you live below a dam |
| 19:48.10 | DexterTheDragon | if you live in ogden you live below a damn |
| 19:48.20 | DexterTheDragon | spelled that wrong :) |
| 19:48.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Deer Creek breaking would only flood the river bottoms, but there's another one up farther that's bigger, if it went we'd all be screwed |
| 19:48.37 | wps | Jordenelle |
| 19:48.38 | macnewbold | well, I know i don't live below a dam |
| 19:48.40 | Lone_Wanderer | anyway, the Dutch are smart, they know what they're doing when it comes to water |
| 19:48.40 | wps | wouldn't affect me |
| 19:48.44 | wps | I'm in Northern Utah County |
| 19:49.06 | unum | if the logan river dams broke I don't think it would make that much of a difference |
| 19:49.10 | unum | not that much water in those |
| 19:49.18 | Lone_Wanderer | they also practice the most intensive and sustainable farming anywhere in the world |
| 19:49.22 | unum | now hyrum and porcupine those would probably flood someone |
| 19:49.55 | Lone_Wanderer | They've got people farming the land between runways at the Amsterdam airport. |
| 19:50.51 | Utah_Dave | tierra: I have an Android phone the Google Voice app |
| 19:51.13 | mindjuju | that sounds cool! get fresh zucchini fertilized with runway de-icer! where do i sign up? |
| 19:51.28 | Lone_Wanderer | If the US farmed as efficiently as the Dutch, we could feed the entire nation using... iirc, nothing more than South Dakota |
| 19:52.00 | tierra | Utah_Dave: I can't find many details about how it works... I've got a Voice account, and plan to get an Android phone sometime around the end of the year |
| 19:52.08 | Lone_Wanderer | (You'd have to convert it all to farmland and kick everyone else out, but come on. It's South Dakota. Who cares?) |
| 19:52.12 | DexterTheDragon | I don't think banana's grow in south dakota |
| 19:52.13 | Utah_Dave | Lone_Wanderer: I believe we farm pretty dang efficiently. We feed half the world |
| 19:52.28 | Lone_Wanderer | DexterTheDragon: I didn't say you could eat whatever you wanted. |
| 19:52.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Utah_Dave: American farming is pretty inefficient. But we have a lot of land to devote to it. |
| 19:52.58 | tierra | Utah_Dave: if you make calls through the app, does it run over your voice line, or use data (does it basically tie into a VOIP system or something)? |
| 19:53.06 | Utah_Dave | tierra: Well, the Google Voice app is done by a 3rd party, not google. But it actually is very cool |
| 19:53.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Inefficient in terms of production per acre. |
| 19:53.19 | Utah_Dave | tierra: it uses your voice line, not data |
| 19:53.42 | tierra | oh, 3rd party app, I hadn't heard that |
| 19:53.43 | Utah_Dave | The only voip option with Google Voice is the gizmo-project |
| 19:53.51 | Utah_Dave | I'm not sure why that is. |
| 19:53.55 | tierra | weird that none of the news articles on it would mention that |
| 19:54.29 | beandog | rawr, what to do for lunch? |
| 19:55.05 | Utah_Dave | tierra: it is pretty sweet. When you make a call from the GV app you see all your regular contacts, it calls your GV account and has it dial out so it looks like you are calling from your GV number |
| 19:55.20 | Utah_Dave | Text messages work the same way |
| 19:55.24 | tierra | oh, sweet, I see |
| 19:55.39 | Utah_Dave | you can view your call history, listen to your voicemails, download your voicemails |
| 19:55.43 | beandog | grand central had a lot better features than google voice |
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| 19:55.47 | beandog | they really stripped the crap out of it |
| 19:55.59 | Utah_Dave | beandog: what did they strip out? I've only seen new features |
| 19:56.21 | beandog | Utah_Dave, I dont remember, I havent looked in a while. But there was something like per-caller features, ors omething |
| 19:56.30 | beandog | Like, send just *this* caller to voicemail all the time, etc. |
| 19:56.32 | tierra | they did strip a bunch of stuff (I had GrandCentral), but everything they stripped were kind of dumb, minor feature |
| 19:56.33 | Utah_Dave | They still have that in Google voice |
| 19:56.36 | tierra | *features |
| 19:56.55 | beandog | oh they do? okay, well ignore me |
| 19:56.57 | beandog | *shrugs* |
| 19:56.59 | tierra | stuff like being able to set different ringtones for groups of callers... |
| 19:57.04 | tierra | that got stripped |
| 19:57.39 | wps | my favorite feature is sending text messages through the web interface |
| 19:57.48 | tierra | I can't think of any major feature that I loved about GC that got stripped |
| 19:57.53 | wps | get to use a keyboard to type them and it's free |
| 19:58.00 | tierra | and yeah, GC certainly didn't have SMS down |
| 19:58.23 | Utah_Dave | when I was in Peru a couple weeks ago, I used GV to send text messages to my wife and a coworker. |
| 19:58.29 | Utah_Dave | It worked really well. |
| 19:58.40 | Utah_Dave | Plus, it's nice to have them there to go review later |
| 20:00.23 | Utah_Dave | oh, beandog, you're right. You can have a different voicemail message per group or user, but not ringtone. I guess I missed that since I never used that feature |
| 20:01.23 | Utah_Dave | tierra: Doh! I didn't realize that Google had released an official GV android app! |
| 20:01.26 | Utah_Dave | I just saw it. |
| 20:01.30 | tierra | heh |
| 20:01.39 | tierra | I'm sure that's what I was actually reading about |
| 20:01.52 | tierra | you should install it, and let me know how it goes :) |
| 20:02.05 | Utah_Dave | I'm doing that right now |
| 20:05.22 | tierra | Google is headed towards pissing off all of the major Wireless providers, and I'm loving every minute of it |
| 20:12.32 | Utah_Dave | tierra: OK, that Google Voice android app is awesome |
| 20:12.46 | tierra | hehe, good to hear |
| 20:12.56 | Utah_Dave | It actually takes over so that all your outgoing calls come from your GV account, if you want that |
| 20:13.17 | Utah_Dave | I'm tempted to buy the new android phone t-mobile is offering |
| 20:13.31 | Utah_Dave | but I don't want to sign up for another 2 year contract |
| 20:13.41 | SunSparc | ~Google Voice++ |
| 20:13.55 | SunSparc | aka GrandCentral |
| 20:14.33 | tierra | there's a ton of really nice Android phones coming out... right now, I'm thinking I'm holding out for one of Samsung's... the I7500 I think |
| 20:15.34 | tierra | the HTC Hero is looking pretty awesome too though |
| 20:15.47 | tierra | the lip on the phone bugs me though |
| 20:15.57 | mindjuju | i wonder if verizon is getting android phones? |
| 20:17.27 | unum | by the end of they year |
| 20:17.53 | unum | i dropped mine yesterday and it fell apart, i was thinking "but I can't buy a new one yet" |
| 20:18.14 | tierra | I was hoping the Samsung S8000 (Jet) waas going to be an Android phone, but it ended up not being one |
| 20:18.36 | tierra | I'd be all over that phone if it was Android-based |
| 20:22.28 | utahcon | fungus: skydiving... really?! very cool |
| 20:22.45 | fungus | Yup. |
| 20:22.58 | fungus | I've wanted to for many years, but now I'm gonna do it. |
| 20:23.21 | utahcon | awesome... I need to lose some weight before I can... would love to do it personally |
| 20:24.28 | fungus | If I'm not back next thursday, could someone scrape my guts off the ground. |
| 20:24.43 | utahcon | lol |
| 20:24.46 | utahcon | where you jumping? |
| 20:25.20 | fungus | Erda, UT, near Tooele |
| 20:27.26 | toofer | Is there a max weight for sky diving? |
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| 20:31.57 | utahcon | toofer: if you want to lice |
| 20:31.59 | utahcon | live |
| 20:32.28 | toofer | utahcon: that makes sense. =) |
| 20:39.03 | Utah_Dave | tierra: Have you heard anything about the battery life of the new Android phones? That's the main thing that bothers me about the G1 |
| 20:39.17 | tierra | I haven't |
| 20:39.30 | tierra | but yeah, I've heard similar reports in the past |
| 20:44.18 | wps | beandog: you were right |
| 20:44.28 | wps | Forbes lists Hawaii as the most safe place to live |
| 20:45.27 | wps | then Idaho, then New Mexico, then Washington and Oregon |
| 20:45.53 | wps | cities in New Mexico, Idaho, Washington, and Oregen make up the top 2 - 10 safest places |
| 20:47.31 | tierra | Hawaii? really? |
| 20:47.58 | wps | they have hurricanes but apparently they are fairly mild |
| 20:48.44 | tierra | personally, I don't want to live somewhere "safe"... I want some danger and excitement in my life! |
| 20:48.51 | tierra | hehe |
| 20:48.52 | wps | :) |
| 20:49.19 | tierra | besides, I've lived in Idaho, and it's also one of the most boring places to live |
| 20:49.52 | DexterTheDragon | I guess that proves that you can't actually die from boredom... |
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| 20:50.34 | SunSparc | ~boring |
| 20:50.34 | ibot | yes, you are sunsparc |
| 20:50.39 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:50.57 | SunSparc | ibot, boring is a choice |
| 20:50.57 | ibot | ...but boring is already something else... |
| 20:51.31 | stderr | safety in Idaho? as long as you're not black |
| 20:51.40 | utahcon | there are blacks in ID? |
| 20:53.38 | wps | it's interesting |
| 20:53.47 | SunSparc | That would be cool if there was a town in Idaho named Duncan |
| 20:53.54 | wps | since our conversation here I have been searching for statistics and reports on the subject |
| 20:54.08 | wps | and almost everything I can find ranks safety in terms of crime or mortality rate |
| 20:54.40 | wps | there is very little information in regards to still-alive-but-all-your-house-is-destroyed |
| 21:00.21 | Lone_Wanderer | all your house is belong to us |
| 21:00.38 | Lone_Wanderer | That may be because getting your house destroyed almost never happens. |
| 21:00.53 | wps | here's a good article: http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-the-safest-place-to-live-in-America?&id=26538 |
| 21:01.12 | wps | I think if I didn't have family or employment tying me to Utah, I'd move to Norther California or Oregon |
| 21:01.22 | utahcon | Anchorage |
| 21:01.36 | wps | that'd be high on my list as well |
| 21:03.22 | unum | Where I grew up was a really bad place if you were worried about nuclear annilation |
| 21:03.33 | unum | we all knew we would be some of the first to go |
| 21:03.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Where's that? |
| 21:03.41 | unum | Layton, UT |
| 21:04.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Layton is a high priority target? |
| 21:04.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, Hill AFB? |
| 21:04.12 | unum | ya |
| 21:04.16 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah that'd do it |
| 21:04.30 | unum | when you live less than two miles from it, you don't expect to last long |
| 21:04.32 | mindjuju | anchorage? |
| 21:04.43 | mindjuju | doesn't anchorage have like crazy bad gang probs? |
| 21:04.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Isn't Anchorage surrounded by glaciers? |
| 21:05.01 | DexterTheDragon | and polar bears |
| 21:05.20 | bween | retreating, and fuzzy! |
| 21:07.00 | fungus | The only safe place to live is in your own head. Then you get to be in a sturdy safe padded room. |
| 21:07.50 | mindjuju | for absolute safety, i'd think Antarctica or Tahiti |
| 21:08.54 | SunSparc | define safety |
| 21:09.20 | SunSparc | I feel pretty darn safe in Orem Utah. |
| 21:09.35 | mindjuju | ~dict safety |
| 21:09.43 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:09.51 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 21:10.12 | DexterTheDragon | hahaha |
| 21:11.08 | Lone_Wanderer | wps: apparently buildings that are up to code will withstand pretty much any storm |
| 21:11.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Houston lost power during Ike though |
| 21:12.47 | mindjuju | prolly not all of houston, and i lost power here during a cloud fart |
| 21:13.06 | mindjuju | soooo... you're gonna lose power every now and then, no matter where you go |
| 21:13.31 | mindjuju | @beandog + @poeticintensity - http://www.mustangblog.com/blog/1022193_ford-builds-av-x10-dearborn-doll-mustang-for-eaa-gathering-of-eagles |
| 21:15.43 | SunSparc | DexterTheDragon: What do you think? Go or no go for launch? |
| 21:16.17 | DexterTheDragon | I'm thinking go |
| 21:16.35 | SunSparc | Yeah, It is looking pretty good. |
| 21:16.39 | mindjuju | this is funny |
| 21:16.41 | mindjuju | http://imgur.com/14eNc.jpg |
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| 21:17.07 | SunSparc | LOL |
| 21:24.12 | beandog | mindjuju, weerd. |
| 21:24.33 | beandog | mindjuju, nice img, heh |
| 21:24.41 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:25.45 | mindjuju | Just a kind reminder before today is out, tomorrow is UPHPU meeeting with stderr presenting |
| 21:25.45 | beandog | mindjuju, too bad she's not an 80s sitcom mom |
| 21:25.45 | mindjuju | true that, then she'd be insta-Hawt |
| 21:25.45 | mindjuju | course, not ALL 80's sitcom moms were hot |
| 21:25.49 | influx | Where's the meeting tomorrow? |
| 21:25.50 | utahcon | what is strerr presenting on? |
| 21:26.02 | mindjuju | influx - it's at Bill Good Marketing in Draper |
| 21:26.10 | mindjuju | utahcon, it's on System Security |
| 21:26.16 | influx | Poop. |
| 21:26.18 | mindjuju | note the topic |
| 21:26.40 | utahcon | ~lart mindjuju for pointing out the obvious topic |
| 21:26.41 | ibot | burns mindjuju to a crisp with a laser for pointing out the obvious topic |
| 21:27.22 | mindjuju | unless he can deflect within a minute of comment post |
| 21:27.35 | mindjuju | ~toejam utahcon |
| 21:27.35 | ibot | ACTION wipes all the crud and utahcon from out between his toes. Yuck! |
| 21:28.22 | beandog | I wonder if you can get an esata stick |
| 21:28.56 | beandog | oh. well, I guess so. |
| 21:28.59 | beandog | that was easy. |
| 21:29.21 | beandog | freak, not too spendy either |
| 21:29.58 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart mindjuju |
| 21:29.58 | ibot | raises middle finger to mindjuju |
| 21:30.06 | DexterTheDragon | deflect that! |
| 21:30.15 | mindjuju | ~block dexterthedragon |
| 21:30.16 | ibot | jumps in front of dexterthedragon and prevents any more damage from being done to all the victims in the channel |
| 21:30.31 | mindjuju | ~nosepick dexterthedragon |
| 21:30.32 | ibot | ACTION plucks dexterthedragon out of the nose of humanity and wipes him on the couch! |
| 21:30.43 | mindjuju | ~frenchtaunt dexterthedragon |
| 21:30.44 | ibot | ACTION summons the french taunter! You tiny-brained wipers of other people's bottoms! |
| 21:30.45 | beandog | poor couch |
| 21:30.57 | DexterTheDragon | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 21:30.58 | ibot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 21:31.18 | mindjuju | ~oreilly dexterthedragon |
| 21:31.18 | ibot | ACTION releases bill o'reilly from his basement cell! Sic 'em boy! dexterthedragon is left in tatters... |
| 21:32.12 | beandog | ~unfair |
| 21:32.13 | ibot | A neat game.. URL: http://gtkgo.netpedia.net/ |
| 21:33.49 | DexterTheDragon | that is no longer a neat game |
| 21:34.37 | mindjuju | did anybody go see harry poter? |
| 21:35.53 | beandog | mindjuju, its out?? |
| 21:36.07 | mindjuju | yesterday for early screeners, today for public |
| 21:36.12 | beandog | eeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 21:36.32 | beandog | 9:30 10:00 10:45 11:30am 12:00 12:30 1:00 1:45 2:30 3:15 3:45 4:15 4:45 5:30 6:15 7:00 7:30 8:00 8:30 9:15 10:00 10:45 11:15 11:45pm |
| 21:36.35 | beandog | choices, choices. |
| 21:37.01 | mindjuju | the trailer looks good, but i'll prolly wait for a week or two |
| 21:37.19 | beandog | mindjuju, did you see Transformers 2? |
| 21:37.39 | mindjuju | nope, its against my religion to watch transformers with lips |
| 21:37.43 | beandog | lol |
| 21:37.44 | mindjuju | haven't seen the first one either |
| 21:37.52 | beandog | heh, google movies links to YouTube now instead of Apple for trailers. |
| 21:37.54 | beandog | Its about time! |
| 21:38.02 | beandog | Down with their crappy "quicktime required" bunk |
| 21:38.14 | beandog | http://google.com/movies |
| 21:38.19 | beandog | mindjuju, really? wow. |
| 21:38.23 | beandog | mindjuju, youre not missing much |
| 21:38.37 | mindjuju | at most, a transformer should have a visor that moves up and down as they talk, or a speakerbox |
| 21:38.47 | beandog | you should hear soundwave in #2 |
| 21:38.54 | beandog | freek, its the exact same voice that gave me nightmares as a kid |
| 21:39.02 | mindjuju | i loved soundwave! |
| 21:39.07 | mindjuju | that's way cool! |
| 21:39.23 | beandog | yah |
| 21:39.27 | beandog | that was the best part. |
| 21:39.34 | beandog | well, aside from the massive non-stop battles |
| 21:40.16 | beandog | and the ewoks battle |
| 21:40.37 | beandog | did anyone see land of the lost? I wonder if that was any good |
| 21:40.38 | mindjuju | i hate ewoks |
| 21:40.56 | mindjuju | i heard the funniest parts of the movie were used in the commercial |
| 21:41.05 | mindjuju | for beandog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWb43IB3W-c |
| 21:41.28 | beandog | mindjuju, oh gosh that is freeky |
| 21:41.57 | beandog | wow, this cartoon is awesome. |
| 21:42.48 | beandog | my season 1 is in the mail :D |
| 21:42.56 | beandog | it was on sale for $15 the other day |
| 21:44.05 | mindjuju | stderr, carmony, justincarmony, are ya'll going to do a test? |
| 21:44.29 | mindjuju | @beandog - this should fix the nightmares - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCYLEO9sIVQ |
| 21:44.55 | mindjuju | i mean, why wouldn't a transformer be able to do break dancing? |
| 21:45.07 | beandog | wtc |
| 21:45.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Constructicons, units! |
| 21:45.18 | Lone_Wanderer | unite too |
| 21:45.19 | Lone_Wanderer | ! |
| 21:46.48 | carmony | yeah, we can do that test tonight |
| 21:47.03 | carmony | btw, what audio outputs do you need Mindjuju? |
| 21:47.23 | mindjuju | headphone out will do |
| 21:47.29 | mindjuju | and i need a line in |
| 21:47.31 | mindjuju | do you have one? |
| 21:47.53 | carmony | looking |
| 21:48.20 | carmony | yup, audio line in |
| 21:52.34 | DexterTheDragon | we are go for launch |
| 21:54.48 | SunSparc | T-9 and counting! |
| 21:54.57 | mgeary | link? |
| 21:55.12 | SunSparc | nasa.gov |
| 21:55.29 | DexterTheDragon | www.nasa.gov/ntv |
| 21:55.32 | beandog | MS is gonna open retail stores? Oh, yoy. |
| 21:55.57 | beandog | Good to know I can find a store to buy Windows at full MSRP. |
| 21:56.30 | beandog | SunSparc, if they start doing "virus scan" stuff, I'm imagine theyll do real well |
| 21:56.52 | SunSparc | Hmmm |
| 21:57.13 | SunSparc | I wonder if they will have a "Genius Bar" |
| 21:57.15 | beandog | And if they sold PC games, I'd stop in |
| 21:57.41 | Lone_Wanderer | SunSparc: They might but if they do, the geniuses would be too scared to talk to girls. |
| 21:58.01 | beandog | heh |
| 21:58.28 | beandog | scared, or embarrassed |
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| 22:02.04 | beandog | why do my co-workers always disappear on me |
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| 22:03.21 | DexterTheDragon | T-1 minute |
| 22:04.19 | mgeary | 18 |
| 22:04.34 | mgeary | 1 |
| 22:04.36 | mgeary | 000 |
| 22:05.52 | mgeary | boy, you'd think we'd have something better by now than forcing gas through a constricted cylinder for propulsion... |
| 22:06.42 | SunSparc | You would think. |
| 22:07.08 | beandog | we need a giant slingshot |
| 22:07.12 | SunSparc | 4000mph |
| 22:09.08 | DexterTheDragon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VASIMR |
| 22:09.32 | DexterTheDragon | saw that yesterday as an engine design thats being worked on |
| 22:10.11 | DexterTheDragon | supposedly that engine would cut the trip to mars from 7 months to 39 days |
| 22:11.35 | beandog | nice |
| 22:12.34 | beandog | that would be cool to go to mars |
| 22:13.37 | DexterTheDragon | oh beautiful seperation of ET |
| 22:13.56 | Lone_Wanderer | 39 days? to go to Mars?? |
| 22:14.21 | SunSparc | Ah yes, the Impulse engine. |
| 22:14.26 | DexterTheDragon | thats what they said |
| 22:14.38 | SunSparc | They have been working on that for a while. Cool concept. |
| 22:15.05 | stderr | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3HXgvl8lp0 |
| 22:15.13 | SunSparc | The pre-cursor to the warp engine. |
| 22:15.32 | DexterTheDragon | they're installing in on the ISS in 2011-2012 |
| 22:22.04 | stderr | http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/05/scribblenauts-passes-our-ten-word-challenge-with-flying-colors/ |
| 22:24.34 | beandog | can we call you Astro Boy? |
| 22:24.43 | SunSparc | Heh |
| 22:24.45 | SunSparc | Sure |
| 22:25.00 | AstroBoy | :) |
| 22:25.14 | beandog | heh |
| 22:26.53 | AstroBoy | Anyone sending their name to Mars? |
| 22:27.11 | AstroBoy | Not anymore -> http://imgur.com/QHKXu.png |
| 22:28.29 | Lone_Wanderer | I need an alarm clock that stops beeping when I yell at it. |
| 22:28.52 | AstroBoy | That would be cool |
| 22:28.57 | Lone_Wanderer | with voice recognition so if I yell "SHUT UP!!!" it just stops completely, but if I just say "Okay, okay, give me a minute" it snoozes for ten minutes |
| 22:28.58 | beandog | wouldnt that be your wife? |
| 22:29.01 | beandog | ~sexist |
| 22:29.04 | Lone_Wanderer | if I had one |
| 22:29.12 | stderr | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH6r2tIaRXU |
| 22:29.17 | stderr | augmented reality++ |
| 22:29.34 | beandog | AstroBoy, lol |
| 22:29.58 | AstroBoy | :) |
| 22:31.03 | Lone_Wanderer | AstroBoy: that's awesome :D |
| 22:31.09 | beandog | stderr, cool |
| 22:31.14 | AstroBoy | heh, yeah |
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| 22:32.42 | mindjuju | curious anti-google FUD - The techniques used by the attackers highlight the dangers of a broader trend promoted by Google Inc. and others toward storing more data online, instead of on computers under your control. |
| 22:32.46 | mindjuju | i should start a collection |
| 22:32.57 | mindjuju | from here http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Twitter-hacked-by-old-apf-1734261695.html?x=0 |
| 22:32.59 | beandog | mindjuju, um, whot? |
| 22:33.18 | beandog | yah, like corporations *never* store information on us beyond our control. |
| 22:33.31 | mindjuju | well, not only that, but the compromise was through email |
| 22:33.36 | mindjuju | the person got the email addy and password |
| 22:33.43 | beandog | thats just funny |
| 22:33.44 | beandog | :) |
| 22:33.55 | beandog | twitter has a history of stupid security design decisions though |
| 22:34.07 | mindjuju | yeah, that's not what really interests me |
| 22:34.14 | mindjuju | it's the anti-google stuff that does |
| 22:34.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, man. |
| 22:34.35 | beandog | mindjuju, I dunno about you, but I can't wait for all the old school media pundits to die. |
| 22:34.37 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm barely into the article and already it's so wrong I want to stab someone. |
| 22:34.38 | beandog | die off |
| 22:35.11 | beandog | oh geez. |
| 22:35.13 | beandog | this is dumb. |
| 22:35.25 | mindjuju | well, it's not QUITE dumb |
| 22:35.28 | mindjuju | i think its something else |
| 22:35.45 | beandog | they are forgetting that "personal computers" aren't necessarily free from attacks |
| 22:35.47 | mindjuju | k, first off, let me disclose i used to be a VERY avid xfiles watcher |
| 22:36.03 | Lone_Wanderer | also, a TV show about Twitter? |
| 22:36.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Someone's ego is too big. |
| 22:36.22 | mindjuju | but i've noticed, especially in blogs a shift towards more positive blogs towards Winders |
| 22:36.30 | beandog | I honestly can't even imagine what Twitter would have that'd be interesting in the first place. |
| 22:36.35 | mindjuju | and more negative towards Google |
| 22:36.35 | beandog | The service is so basic |
| 22:37.04 | beandog | mindjuju, yah? Ive never noticed that. |
| 22:37.08 | mindjuju | i'm chaulking this one up to pro MS marketing |
| 22:37.19 | mindjuju | well, i posted an article earlier |
| 22:37.27 | beandog | mindjuju, I chalked it up as "the old guard doesn't like the new guard" |
| 22:37.27 | mindjuju | i should run a collection |
| 22:37.44 | beandog | google's cloud computing, in this case |
| 22:37.45 | Lone_Wanderer | "Twitter says only one user account was potentially compromised" - what does that mean? |
| 22:37.46 | mindjuju | beandog -- maybe |
| 22:37.48 | beandog | is no different than a company intranet |
| 22:37.51 | Lone_Wanderer | *potentially* compromised? |
| 22:37.59 | beandog | except that its stored remotely |
| 22:38.01 | beandog | I dunno |
| 22:38.04 | beandog | whatever. |
| 22:38.25 | mindjuju | don't you think this sentence too is curious? |
| 22:38.26 | mindjuju | Stealing the password for someone's Gmail account, for example, not only gives the hacker access to that person's personal e-mail, but also to any other Google applications they might use for work, like those used to create spreadsheets or presentations. |
| 22:38.37 | beandog | mindjuju, right |
| 22:38.40 | beandog | thats the same thing I'm saying |
| 22:38.44 | mindjuju | given that MS just announced their Office 10 Web Live a few days ago? |
| 22:38.49 | beandog | It's like getting into any company's intranet |
| 22:38.56 | beandog | Its hosted on Google, versus mycompanyworkforce.com |
| 22:38.58 | beandog | or internally |
| 22:38.59 | beandog | that's all |
| 22:39.05 | mindjuju | not quite what i'm saying |
| 22:39.14 | mindjuju | i'm saying this is pro MS by being anti-google |
| 22:39.15 | beandog | mindjuju, Im not following you |
| 22:39.19 | beandog | mindjuju, Oh |
| 22:39.22 | beandog | mindjuju, you mean like |
| 22:39.24 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:39.27 | beandog | the specific attack on Google themselves |
| 22:39.31 | beandog | versus cloud computing in general? |
| 22:39.34 | mindjuju | yup |
| 22:39.42 | beandog | mindjuju, hmm, yah, youre right. |
| 22:39.53 | beandog | Well |
| 22:39.54 | beandog | I dunno |
| 22:40.12 | mindjuju | like i say, i watch a lot of xfiles |
| 22:40.12 | wps | I have never felt confident about this math |
| 22:40.12 | mindjuju | but i just think it's very curious |
| 22:40.12 | beandog | I wouldnt give a news source who is designed to dumb down the news as much as possible too much credit. |
| 22:40.15 | wps | if you have something that is $100 and it is "up 150%" |
| 22:40.19 | wps | is it now $150? |
| 22:40.35 | mindjuju | it would be $250 |
| 22:40.38 | mindjuju | AFAIK |
| 22:40.45 | wps | or $250? |
| 22:40.48 | wps | the later? |
| 22:40.53 | beandog | $150 |
| 22:40.57 | beandog | 150% of $100 is $150 |
| 22:41.01 | wps | so 100 to 150 would be "up 50%"? |
| 22:41.21 | wps | so would "up 50%" actually be less? |
| 22:41.24 | beandog | wps, well, it'd be 50% more |
| 22:41.32 | beandog | lemme think |
| 22:41.36 | wps | 50% more of 100 would be 150, wouldn't it? |
| 22:41.38 | beandog | I guess you could say it was up 50% |
| 22:41.42 | beandog | yah |
| 22:41.57 | Lone_Wanderer | if you have 100 and it goes up 50% then you now have $150 |
| 22:41.58 | beandog | kinda ambiguous |
| 22:42.11 | Lone_Wanderer | because that is 50% higher than 100 |
| 22:42.11 | wps | so "up 150%" from 100 would be? |
| 22:42.16 | Lone_Wanderer | $250 |
| 22:42.17 | beandog | 250 |
| 22:42.28 | wps | k |
| 22:42.29 | wps | thanks |
| 22:42.37 | Lone_Wanderer | They're assuming the initial one - that's the "up" part |
| 22:42.51 | Lone_Wanderer | ...something is beeping at me and I have so many apps open I don't know which it is |
| 22:43.32 | romanovic | maybe its your imagination |
| 22:43.44 | romanovic | like when you think your phone is vibrating, but you see no text message |
| 22:43.57 | beandog | romanovic, I call that phantom phone ring |
| 22:44.01 | beandog | wow that drives me nuts sometimes |
| 22:44.04 | romanovic | haha |
| 22:44.23 | romanovic | actually, there was an article about excessive texting i saw once that gave a name to it |
| 22:44.32 | beandog | psychosis? |
| 22:44.41 | Lone_Wanderer | being a teenager? |
| 22:44.44 | romanovic | when you start texting too much, you start thinking you are getting texts or calls when you aren't |
| 22:45.03 | beandog | I have my cell phone on vibrate, and when its in my pocket I always think its going off |
| 22:45.04 | romanovic | Yes Lone_Wanderer that would probably be most accurate |
| 22:45.13 | Lone_Wanderer | that happens to me sometimes too |
| 22:47.31 | beandog | but then I realize nobody ever calls me, so it must not be ringing |
| 22:48.29 | Lone_Wanderer | It's just your loneliness calling. |
| 22:48.35 | beandog | LOL |
| 22:48.47 | beandog | depression, line two |
| 22:48.49 | Lone_Wanderer | "No plans tonight? It's cool, I'll be there for you." |
| 22:48.51 | Lone_Wanderer | XD |
| 22:49.04 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer, ^5 |
| 22:49.05 | beandog | oh, man |
| 22:49.08 | beandog | that was great. :) |
| 22:49.16 | Lone_Wanderer | :) |
| 22:49.20 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer, you coming to the meeting tomorrow |
| 22:49.24 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 22:49.27 | beandog | right on |
| 22:49.44 | beandog | maybe all together, as a group, we can defy stderr's logic |
| 22:51.31 | unum | oh that reminds me |
| 22:51.47 | Lone_Wanderer | With our powers combined |
| 22:52.09 | beandog | ... we form, voltron! |
| 22:52.18 | Lone_Wanderer | captain planet, man |
| 22:52.26 | beandog | oh *gawsh* |
| 22:52.31 | beandog | ~unremember |
| 22:53.02 | unum | what's the address for where the meetings are |
| 22:53.16 | beandog | should be on the website |
| 22:53.26 | unum | I'm looking... |
| 22:53.27 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpXM9bj-WPU |
| 22:53.40 | unum | ah |
| 22:53.42 | unum | under events |
| 22:54.12 | beandog | oh boy |
| 22:54.18 | beandog | less than 10 seconds in, and I find a plot hole. |
| 22:54.26 | beandog | She can't save the planet, but she can give power to people who can! |
| 22:54.27 | beandog | whee! |
| 22:54.30 | beandog | reminds me of Ghost Rider. |
| 22:55.41 | beandog | the power of heart? |
| 22:55.44 | beandog | I'd rather have power of fire. |
| 22:56.12 | beandog | You can play with Care Bear dolls while I'm swimming in lava |
| 22:56.37 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd rather have the power of thinking clearly about environmental issues |
| 22:56.54 | Lone_Wanderer | combined with the power of "not being a damned, dirty hippy" |
| 22:56.58 | Lone_Wanderer | OH WAIT I ALREADY DO |
| 22:57.20 | mindjuju | beandog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psnCd3aFLmc |
| 22:57.30 | beandog | oh man |
| 22:57.32 | beandog | ~ban mindjuju |
| 22:57.37 | mindjuju | ?? |
| 22:57.43 | mindjuju | that was the best cartoon |
| 22:57.45 | beandog | I can't stand that show |
| 22:57.46 | mindjuju | EVAR |
| 22:57.50 | mindjuju | EVAR |
| 22:57.53 | beandog | oh man |
| 22:58.02 | beandog | there were very few cartoons that totally annoyed me as a kid |
| 22:58.04 | beandog | that was one of em |
| 22:58.09 | _psychic_ | btw he never gets him next time. |
| 22:58.11 | mindjuju | how could you not like gadget? |
| 22:58.28 | beandog | it was just annoyoing |
| 22:58.42 | beandog | he constantly screws up |
| 22:58.47 | mindjuju | annoying? you know what was annoying was that blue dog |
| 22:58.53 | mindjuju | that was with yogy bear |
| 22:58.56 | Lone_Wanderer | holy cow, that theme song brings back memories |
| 22:59.02 | mindjuju | and that little bear |
| 22:59.07 | beandog | Scrappy Doo was the worst. |
| 22:59.14 | mindjuju | k, agree there |
| 22:59.16 | mindjuju | scrappy |
| 22:59.22 | mindjuju | well, wait |
| 22:59.22 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah Scrappy Doo was pretty bad |
| 22:59.42 | mindjuju | what about Mr Kazoo, or what ever the green alien from Flintstones was called? |
| 22:59.48 | beandog | I liked him |
| 22:59.53 | beandog | I couldnt stand the Flintstones though |
| 22:59.54 | beandog | or the Jetsons |
| 23:00.06 | beandog | too boring. |
| 23:00.14 | mindjuju | no way you like d kazoo |
| 23:00.15 | Lone_Wanderer | are there still cartoons on TV on saturday mornings? |
| 23:00.21 | beandog | yah |
| 23:00.27 | beandog | Theyre all crap though |
| 23:00.36 | beandog | well, spiderman is good |
| 23:00.44 | mindjuju | beandog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogLyglyf-9E |
| 23:00.46 | beandog | so is justice league whatever its called |
| 23:01.01 | beandog | mindjuju, I love that guy |
| 23:01.10 | mindjuju | i hated HATED that guy |
| 23:01.15 | beandog | why |
| 23:01.26 | mindjuju | cause he kept calling fred a dum dum |
| 23:01.36 | mindjuju | and was... well... |
| 23:01.55 | beandog | cocky? |
| 23:02.00 | mindjuju | he's the david spade of 80's cartoon |
| 23:02.07 | beandog | *gasp* |
| 23:02.08 | beandog | thats pretty low. |
| 23:02.22 | mindjuju | i'm sayin! |
| 23:02.55 | mindjuju | the only thing i hated worse than kazoo is mighty mouse |
| 23:03.01 | beandog | really? |
| 23:03.04 | beandog | I thought it was pretty good |
| 23:03.08 | beandog | I dont reemmber it real well though |
| 23:03.11 | mindjuju | i HATED mighty mouse |
| 23:03.18 | beandog | what was wrong with it |
| 23:04.22 | beandog | huh |
| 23:04.22 | beandog | weird. |
| 23:04.32 | beandog | Yogi Bear was the worst for me. |
| 23:04.33 | mindjuju | Jerry I liked, so it's not a general dislike of mice beating up cats |
| 23:04.50 | mindjuju | yea, i disked yogi bear too |
| 23:05.49 | mindjuju | beandog - http://www.timelife.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=1001&langId=-1&productId=75501&sourcekey=Y81GSCHGGL |
| 23:06.06 | beandog | mindjuju, so want |
| 23:06.09 | beandog | so spendy :( |
| 23:06.15 | beandog | That was by far the coolest show growing up |
| 23:07.03 | mindjuju | beandog - here is a classic for ya - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUjgdFoALok |
| 23:07.17 | beandog | oh I love theseg uys!! |
| 23:07.20 | beandog | I think Ive got it on DVD |
| 23:07.21 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:11.51 | beandog | hmm |
| 23:11.58 | beandog | how windy would it have to be outside to fly a kite |
| 23:13.08 | mindjuju | well, if it isn't windy enough you could always use duct tape and a model rocket to get it to altitude |
| 23:15.57 | beandog | we boring you that much? |
| 23:16.23 | beandog | sweet, I got this project done |
| 23:16.24 | beandog | \o/ |
| 23:18.36 | Lone_Wanderer | nah just tired |
| 23:18.40 | Lone_Wanderer | going to go take a 20 minute nap |
| 23:20.04 | beandog | k |
| 23:20.08 | beandog | Im outtas |
| 23:30.08 | AstroBoy | Night all |
