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| 00:41.10 | Lone_Wanderer | optikal: I <3 hiking, if you've got room in your next hiking party I'd like to join you |
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| 00:50.15 | macnewbold | ~yow |
| 00:50.50 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm curious about that as well, jnbek. |
| 00:50.50 | jnbek | darn Rooster Chop |
| 00:50.55 | DexterTheDragon | it was him |
| 00:51.24 | jnbek | hehe |
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| 02:59.17 | justincarmony | any GNU GPL gurus on? |
| 03:00.59 | influx | !summon Stallman |
| 03:01.15 | influx | !summon Stallman |
| 03:02.35 | justincarmony | lol |
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| 05:22.42 | wps | official: google releasing an operating system |
| 05:22.42 | wps | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html |
| 05:25.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Awesome. |
| 05:26.11 | Lone_Wanderer | So basically it's nothing more than what's absolutely necessary to run a browser? |
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| 05:29.46 | PoeticIntensity | ~karma ie |
| 05:29.46 | ibot | ie has karma of -666 |
| 05:35.24 | Lone_Wanderer | I think we should just leave it there. |
| 05:43.53 | herlo | ahh, perfect I say! |
| 06:00.01 | justincarmony | what are you guys doing up eh?! |
| 06:00.03 | justincarmony | :P |
| 06:01.35 | herlo | working on utos-conman |
| 06:01.53 | herlo | trying to get some damn django stuff right, but can't figure out the right combo yet |
| 06:51.24 | PoeticIntensity | man... I've got to get to bed now. I've also got to get a subversion server set up. |
| 06:52.19 | herlo | subversion is da suck, use git, gitosis and gitweb :) |
| 07:25.50 | PoeticIntensity | git. |
| 07:26.13 | PoeticIntensity | I'll have to take a look at git. |
| 07:34.25 | influx | Now git! |
| 07:34.30 | influx | :D |
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| 14:41.39 | beandog | holas |
| 14:41.43 | beandog | is it time for my daily infusion of bran? |
| 14:42.14 | jsmith | beandog: Of course it is! |
| 14:43.15 | jsmith | beandog: Bran or DocBook... you take your pick! |
| 14:43.17 | beandog | ~brantastic |
| 14:50.56 | beandog | http://yura.thinkweb2.com/scripting/contextMenu/ |
| 14:50.57 | beandog | that's slick |
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| 15:11.03 | utahcon | damn... |
| 15:11.27 | utahcon | Qwest is going to sneak by again while AT&T and Verizon get smacked around... http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/07/justice-department-looking-for-unfair-telecom-behavior/ |
| 15:13.26 | beandog | that's it, I'm moving to Canada. |
| 15:17.35 | Utah_Dave | beandog: hope you don't get sick while you're up there. |
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| 15:50.32 | herlo | beandog: I dare ya to move to the place that is *always* blamed for the world's evil |
| 15:50.58 | beandog | I'm tempted by the cool flag |
| 15:53.52 | herlo | yeah, sure you are |
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| 16:12.20 | mgeary | well, facebook is just off |
| 16:12.54 | mgeary | "Other people you may know... Hooshi Hojhee Ahmad Hemmati |
| 16:12.58 | mgeary | umm.... no |
| 16:49.40 | mgeary | it worked |
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| 16:57.43 | wps | regarding Google OS⦠|
| 16:57.56 | wps | I don't understand why a company would announce a product release a year in advance |
| 16:58.04 | wps | why give the competition such advanced notice? |
| 16:58.39 | unum | someone was claiming that MS had a big annoucement next week |
| 16:58.49 | unum | and this was an act to steal some of the news coverage |
| 16:58.54 | wps | hmm |
| 16:59.10 | mindjuju | i wonder what the announce could be |
| 16:59.13 | DexterTheDragon | who says its a year out? |
| 16:59.18 | wps | google said |
| 16:59.20 | unum | but I think that was from an msoftie |
| 16:59.39 | wps | ~msoftie |
| 16:59.55 | mindjuju | microsoftie |
| 16:59.59 | mindjuju | MS fanboy |
| 17:00.01 | wps | ah |
| 17:00.28 | DexterTheDragon | google os isn't a year out.... |
| 17:00.44 | DexterTheDragon | "Later this year we will open-source its code" |
| 17:00.44 | wps | even if you didn't like Apple or linux and even if you used MS product exclusively, what about MS is there to be a fan about? |
| 17:01.00 | DexterTheDragon | they could have something now |
| 17:01.47 | wps | " Google Chrome OS will be available for consumers in the second half of 2010" |
| 17:02.13 | DexterTheDragon | yeah available to consumers |
| 17:02.25 | wps | yeahâ¦Â and that's the only date that really matters |
| 17:02.33 | DexterTheDragon | a person like me will probably be able to get it here soon |
| 17:02.37 | DexterTheDragon | and that matters to me |
| 17:03.28 | unum | wps: they make a lot of money, and some people really admire that |
| 17:03.31 | DexterTheDragon | they're doing it like android. putting the software out there before it starts shipping on hardware |
| 17:04.29 | Utah_Dave | I'm really interested in this. It's a very cool development. |
| 17:04.47 | wps | the more competition the better |
| 17:05.26 | wps | and anything that will get corporations to be universal in their systems will be a glorious blessing |
| 17:05.44 | wps | you should be able to plug any computer and any OS into a corporate network |
| 17:06.19 | wps | and be able to get your mail, calendar, contacts (LDAP), etc |
| 17:06.33 | wps | I'm so sick of "we're an MS shop" |
| 17:06.42 | wps | well, that was a retarded decisionâ¦Â why made that one? |
| 17:06.50 | wps | why don't you be a "computer shop" |
| 17:06.59 | Utah_Dave | wps: I agree. |
| 17:07.12 | wps | s/why/who/ |
| 17:07.26 | wps | ibotâ¦Â you corrected the wrong one |
| 17:07.30 | wps | ~lart ibot |
| 17:07.30 | ibot | beats wps to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 17:07.43 | wps | ibot, die |
| 17:07.44 | ibot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 17:07.46 | mindjuju | heh |
| 17:07.53 | wps | stupid bot |
| 17:08.29 | wps | doesn't even have enough dignity to admit when he has made a mistake and take the discipline |
| 17:10.10 | unum | so do you guys know about computer for kids? |
| 17:10.57 | unum | well they're relocating and pashdown's group is probably going to take over a lot of their work |
| 17:11.06 | mindjuju | my son has my old laptop, p4 something |
| 17:11.27 | mindjuju | oh that electroregereration society? |
| 17:11.33 | unum | it will be more linux friendly |
| 17:12.05 | unum | mindjuju: ya |
| 17:12.06 | mindjuju | i wanted to go, but this week has been hellish |
| 17:12.06 | mindjuju | wasn't it yesterday? |
| 17:12.06 | unum | computer for kids was doing something similiar |
| 17:12.06 | unum | we hope to be a lot broader in scope |
| 17:12.10 | mindjuju | did you go to the meeting then? |
| 17:12.14 | unum | ya |
| 17:12.19 | unum | we'll have an other meeting next week |
| 17:12.24 | mindjuju | way cool, where there a bunch of people there? |
| 17:12.42 | unum | he's hoping to file for the 501(c)3 this week |
| 17:12.43 | unum | not many |
| 17:12.47 | unum | about 6 |
| 17:12.52 | unum | but he did do it really last minute |
| 17:15.10 | mindjuju | hmmm, meeting next week |
| 17:15.40 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: who's presenting? |
| 17:15.44 | DexterTheDragon | is that stderr's? |
| 17:15.51 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 17:16.21 | mindjuju | sounds like ti might be skype, so will need to hammer out those details pretty quick |
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| 17:34.40 | itimber | sup guys |
| 17:42.01 | jsmith | My weight? |
| 17:42.04 | jsmith | My blood pressure? |
| 17:42.14 | jsmith | (hopefully) my IQ? |
| 17:42.22 | jsmith | Many things are up! |
| 17:42.33 | itimber | there ya go |
| 17:42.43 | itimber | was showing my little bro IRC |
| 17:42.49 | itimber | he diggs |
| 17:42.53 | jsmith | Hi little brother! |
| 17:43.05 | macnewbold | ~lart itimber |
| 17:43.05 | ibot | whacks itimber with the cluebat |
| 17:43.06 | jsmith | itimber is really cool... he hangs out in here all day instead of doing real work :-p |
| 17:43.07 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 17:43.16 | macnewbold | ~itimber++ |
| 17:43.19 | jsmith | ~buy itimber donut |
| 17:43.20 | ibot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen donuts for itimber |
| 17:44.46 | itimber | LOL |
| 17:45.15 | itimber | I'm talking you guys up jsmith & macnewbold |
| 17:45.49 | itimber | jsmith on the VOIP stuff and mac on the SLC biz |
| 17:47.29 | beandog | anyone knwo any good books on oop + php |
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| 17:54.12 | itimber | I like O'Reilly as a general rule, but the PHP book I bought just had a basic OOP overview.... I actually learned by pulling a script from hotscripts.com and dissecting it till it all made sense. |
| 17:57.02 | beandog | yah |
| 17:57.15 | beandog | I seem to get half my knowledge from online, and t hen I like having books to clarify some of the muddier parts. |
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| 18:21.25 | carmony | I feel like most of my experience has been doing it 10 times, each time learning how NOT to do it ;) |
| 18:22.31 | jsmith | carmony: Experience is what you get when you *didn't* get what you wanted in the first place |
| 18:22.50 | jsmith | carmony: So, if you'd have learned it the first time, you wouldn't have *any* experience :-p |
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| 18:34.36 | carmony | yup :) |
| 18:40.55 | carmony | mindjuju: whats the topic? |
| 18:51.01 | stderr | carmony: systems security |
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| 19:08.36 | carmony | awesome, my knowledge on that subject can be rather weak |
| 19:17.12 | dezertol | you knowledge on php classes? |
| 19:17.31 | dezertol | or just oop in general |
| 19:26.24 | carmony | On system security |
| 19:26.39 | carmony | I feel like I have a really good grasp on PHP classes and OOP techniques :) |
| 19:27.30 | DexterTheDragon | ok google voice's voicemail text conversion is funnnnny |
| 19:31.58 | dezertol | lol o,, I missed the systems security .. but |
| 19:31.59 | dezertol | bit |
| 19:33.00 | dezertol | guess that's what happens when you don't get enough sleep.. |
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| 20:15.09 | jsmith | carmony: I think it's the "I want to look and see who is out there" thing... at least it was eight years ago when I was coding a dating site |
| 20:43.47 | utahcon | ~lart PHP Session Hanlding |
| 20:43.47 | ibot | whips out a sword and chops PHP Session Hanlding in half |
| 20:44.03 | utahcon | s/Hanlding/Handling/ |
| 20:47.04 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart php |
| 20:47.04 | ibot | shoots php in his sleep |
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| 20:53.28 | thebigdog | got my google voice up and running |
| 20:53.31 | thebigdog | seems pretty cool |
| 20:54.09 | optikal | Yeah it is, I just don't really have much of a use for right now. |
| 20:54.18 | thebigdog | same |
| 20:54.26 | thebigdog | but i did get a number i like |
| 20:54.32 | thebigdog | i might use it for some stuff like that |
| 20:54.35 | carmony | whats google voice? |
| 20:54.45 | mindjuju | 801-Big-dawg? |
| 20:54.54 | thebigdog | http://www.google.com/googlevoice/about.html |
| 20:55.01 | thebigdog | mindjuju: almost |
| 20:55.01 | mindjuju | google voice is/was grand central |
| 20:55.11 | thebigdog | i got 801-513-1dog |
| 20:55.18 | mindjuju | nice |
| 20:55.39 | thebigdog | i tried to get some other stuff but it did not let me get anything |
| 20:56.05 | DexterTheDragon | I'm still just enjoying the voicemail transcript |
| 20:56.05 | thebigdog | transcripts is way nice |
| 20:56.11 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:56.12 | mindjuju | yeah, me too |
| 20:56.16 | DexterTheDragon | its not even close to what they said |
| 20:56.18 | thebigdog | i totally like that |
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| 21:16.11 | PoeticIntensity | Yay! IRC is no longer blocked at work! |
| 21:18.57 | utahcon | PoeticIntensity: where do you work? We will get that fixed. |
| 21:22.10 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 21:22.15 | PoeticIntensity | I got a job at nomoremortgage.com |
| 21:22.25 | PoeticIntensity | fairly good gig here. |
| 21:22.36 | beandog | /ban PoeticIntensity |
| 21:22.39 | beandog | /ignore PoeticIntensity |
| 21:22.45 | PoeticIntensity | ~lart beandog |
| 21:22.45 | ibot | drops a truckload of VAXen on beandog |
| 21:22.50 | DexterTheDragon | PoeticIntensity: a new job? |
| 21:22.51 | beandog | ~branination PoeticIntensity |
| 21:23.28 | beandog | he sells sea shells by the shore side |
| 21:23.36 | PoeticIntensity | DexterTheDragon, yeah |
| 21:23.46 | PoeticIntensity | The other one fell apart pretty quickly... |
| 21:23.50 | PoeticIntensity | company merger. |
| 21:24.14 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, so you got around the firewall or what? |
| 21:24.21 | beandog | are you using your neighbor's wifi? |
| 21:24.34 | PoeticIntensity | nope... just called the network management company and told em' we needed ports opened. |
| 21:25.11 | beandog | well that's a pretty non-dramatic climax. |
| 21:27.11 | thebigdog | haha |
| 21:28.45 | wps | I need some money |
| 21:28.58 | beandog | can you install a dishwasher? |
| 21:29.09 | jsmith | can you frame a basement? |
| 21:29.15 | wps | yes |
| 21:29.16 | wps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.18 | beandog | jsmith, hey I asked first |
| 21:29.50 | wps | beandog: I need half upfront |
| 21:29.52 | beandog | basements are best unfinished |
| 21:29.53 | mindjuju | are ya'll going to pay him 30k to do those things? |
| 21:29.54 | jsmith | beandog: Age before beauty... after you! |
| 21:30.06 | jsmith | mindjuju: 30k rubles! |
| 21:30.21 | macnewbold | beandog: I disagree... I was so glad to have my basement already finished in the house we live in, even though it isn't done quite the way I really would have wanted. |
| 21:30.25 | mindjuju | ah |
| 21:30.25 | beandog | upfront? it should take like 2 hours! |
| 21:30.35 | wps | it's only fair |
| 21:30.43 | wps | you got to meet me half way |
| 21:30.57 | beandog | alright hold on |
| 21:31.02 | beandog | Let me see if I have a quarter with me |
| 21:31.33 | mgeary | wps: whatcha doing? buying a new house? |
| 21:31.41 | wps | you're actually pretty close |
| 21:31.45 | mgeary | feeding your drug habit? |
| 21:31.45 | wps | planning an addition |
| 21:31.51 | wps | met with the architect this morning |
| 21:32.02 | wps | the plans are doneâ¦Â being engineered now |
| 21:32.45 | wps | we won't build for at least a year thoughâ¦Â not going into debt for it |
| 21:35.54 | wps | going to have to tighten the belt quite a bit and save like mad |
| 21:37.52 | wps | interestingâ¦Â Safari defaults to inputs having a margin and FF does not |
| 21:38.06 | wps | surprised I hadn't noticed that before |
| 21:38.29 | wps | must have just always set a value before loading it naked |
| 21:40.34 | wps | what I'd love to have even more than money at this moment though is for jQuery to have a :focus selector filter |
| 21:41.00 | macnewbold | hehe |
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| 21:41.45 | mgeary | wps: you're getting an addition for only $30k? |
| 21:41.53 | mgeary | that's super cheap, imo, for an addition |
| 21:42.00 | wps | that's what we're estimating |
| 21:42.07 | wps | it's not too big and is fairly simply |
| 21:42.12 | mgeary | no foundation work? |
| 21:42.15 | wps | no kitchen, no batch, no plumbing |
| 21:42.16 | beandog | for another $30k, you can make it look like the Wheel of Fortune studio set |
| 21:42.39 | mgeary | wps: duct work? |
| 21:42.44 | mgeary | foundation? |
| 21:42.52 | mindjuju | do ducks work? |
| 21:43.01 | wps | yes, foundation and duct work |
| 21:43.28 | wps | adding a third car to the garage, extending the family room, and adding an office and a storage room |
| 21:44.07 | beandog | so the car is $25 of the $30k? |
| 21:44.16 | wps | a very loose estimate that I got from a GC was ~35k-ish |
| 21:44.24 | wps | ~lart beandog and macnewbold |
| 21:44.24 | ibot | whips out a sword and chops beandog and macnewbold in half |
| 21:44.43 | beandog | hey now |
| 21:45.48 | Lone_Wanderer | if he's chopping two people in half, doesn't that mean you end up with one each, basically leaving you both untouched individually? |
| 21:46.25 | PoeticIntensity | I don't think it works like a double-negative. |
| 21:46.28 | PoeticIntensity | although I could be wrong. |
| 21:47.47 | beandog | now_playing[Girlfriend In A Coma] length[1:15/2:05] |
| 21:50.33 | mgeary | anyone here familiar with Zonet switches? |
| 21:51.43 | mgeary | uhh.... |
| 21:52.03 | mgeary | wps: i'd recommend adding at least 20% to anything a contractor tells you |
| 21:52.18 | mgeary | s/recommend/strongly recommend/ |
| 21:52.30 | mgeary | and not because they're lying or cheating you |
| 21:52.32 | beandog | that does seem really low |
| 21:52.49 | mgeary | but because you'll *invariably* decide to do "a little bit more, as long as you're here" |
| 21:53.19 | wps | :) |
| 21:53.41 | Lone_Wanderer | 20% man |
| 21:53.50 | Lone_Wanderer | that's like |
| 21:53.57 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd double it |
| 21:54.06 | mgeary | heh |
| 21:54.18 | wps | my plan is get the foundation, framing, truss, outside (shingles, stucco, etc) done at once |
| 21:54.44 | wps | and then do the inside mostly myself as the money comes |
| 21:54.46 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, for construction |
| 21:54.55 | Lone_Wanderer | I was thinking work you're doing for someone else |
| 21:54.57 | Lone_Wanderer | as a programmer |
| 21:55.11 | wps | (wiring, sheetrock, framing, trim, paint, etc) |
| 21:56.01 | wps | since it's an addition and not something like remodeling a kitchen, it won't be an inconvenience to have it under construction for a while |
| 21:56.14 | wps | but I'm sure you are right that it will be more than we estimate |
| 21:58.44 | mgeary | wps: but that's cool that you're doing it |
| 21:58.54 | mgeary | we've been overhauling our home & yard, and it's really satisfying |
| 21:59.01 | mgeary | though we're not really doing any of it ourselves |
| 21:59.15 | mgeary | but half of our downstairs has been remodeled, and half of our yard |
| 21:59.30 | wps | yeahâ¦Â I needs some space. This house doesn't have a basement and the garage is ridiculously small (20x20) |
| 21:59.39 | mgeary | argh |
| 21:59.40 | wps | so the extra space will be really nice |
| 21:59.43 | mgeary | indeed |
| 21:59.46 | mgeary | where do you live? |
| 21:59.53 | wps | West Lehi |
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| 21:59.58 | mgeary | ~boondocks wps |
| 22:00.04 | wps | not that west :) |
| 22:00.11 | wps | I'm by the roundabout (just sound of Main) |
| 22:00.14 | mgeary | ah |
| 22:00.20 | mgeary | south on the roundabout? |
| 22:00.22 | wps | yeah |
| 22:00.35 | mgeary | how far? south? |
| 22:00.41 | mgeary | my step-in-laws live there |
| 22:00.44 | mgeary | by the church? |
| 22:00.44 | wps | are you familiar with seventh south? |
| 22:00.51 | mgeary | i don't know street names/numbers |
| 22:00.59 | mgeary | but there's a church on that street, on the eaast |
| 22:01.33 | mgeary | (and a bazillion homes that were all built in the last 5 years) ;) |
| 22:12.32 | itimber | I'm out guys... see ya'll later |
| 22:20.58 | wps | getting around not having :focus wasn't too hard |
| 22:21.23 | wps | http://pastebin.com/m57d578ec |
| 22:21.58 | wps | too bad .live() doesn't support .blur and .focus |
| 22:22.05 | wps | hmmâ¦Â perhaps I should take that hug back |
| 22:22.14 | wps | that's two strikes against jquery |
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| 22:23.34 | Touk | I understand how to create and use functions with optional inputs, however, i was wondering if there was some way to tell a function call to use the default for the first optional input but override the second optional input field? |
| 22:23.54 | wps | nope |
| 22:24.02 | wps | I have wanted that several times, Touk |
| 22:24.33 | Touk | thats too bad, can always put the default in the function call, but thats no good if you have to change the function |
| 22:25.22 | beandog | http://www.neatorama.com/2009/07/08/sarlacc-throw-pillow/ |
| 22:25.25 | beandog | that is awesome |
| 22:25.27 | macnewbold | Touk: passing null can often do the trick |
| 22:25.52 | Touk | macnewbold: that would work, but it would simply override the default |
| 22:26.29 | carmony | LOL.... somehow... |
| 22:26.38 | carmony | my JavaScript on my website... |
| 22:26.45 | carmony | was causing Ubiquity to throw an error |
| 22:26.52 | carmony | and kill all the JS on the page |
| 22:39.35 | wps | I need to do a project in another language to get some perspective |
| 22:39.47 | mgeary | careful |
| 22:39.53 | mgeary | that might make you very disillusioned with PHP |
| 22:39.57 | wps | HTML, javascript, PHP is all I've ever done I'm embarrassed to admit |
| 22:41.05 | stderr | it's not the perfume that you weaaaaar, it's not the ribbons in your hair... |
| 22:41.45 | stderr | I don't mind you hangin out, and talking in yoooour sleeep |
| 22:42.02 | tierra | C++ can do named parameters too, with some magic :) |
| 22:42.18 | mgeary | yeah, but it's C++ |
| 22:42.21 | tierra | hehe |
| 22:42.23 | mgeary | memory management------ |
| 22:42.41 | stderr | I can attribute almost any Cars song to programming languages |
| 22:42.42 | tierra | memory management sucks when you suck at memory management |
| 22:42.54 | stderr | I GUESS YOU'RE JUST WHAT I NEEDED |
| 22:43.53 | stderr | by the time you get good at memory management you're wearing suspenders and/or your twinkie and mountain dew intake has left you bedridden |
| 22:44.30 | stderr | p.s. for iPhone users: Chess with Friends |
| 22:45.18 | mgeary | my language evolution was BASIC -> Applescript -> Lingo -> Javascript/HTML -> ColdFusion (shudder) -> PHP -> python, with a few random things like ActionScript thrown in there somewhere |
| 22:50.59 | mindjuju | what about LOGO? |
| 22:51.05 | mindjuju | did you never use LOGO? |
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| 22:51.24 | PoeticIntensity | nice, mgeary |
| 22:51.38 | mgeary | mindjuju: for a few days |
| 22:52.19 | PoeticIntensity | mine was something like BASIC -> HTML -> Javascript -> CSS / DHTML -> Perl -> PHP -> Python |
| 22:52.32 | mindjuju | i think it was in 6th grade that I learned LOGO - a whole semester of it |
| 22:52.40 | PoeticIntensity | oh, and my dad tried teaching me C when I was 10. |
| 22:52.41 | mindjuju | had a final project and everything |
| 22:52.43 | PoeticIntensity | Didn't stick for some reason. |
| 22:52.51 | PoeticIntensity | nice, mindjuju |
| 22:53.15 | stderr | C -> Perl -> C++ -> Python -> Smalltalk -> PHP -> Ruby. It's not really that linear, but that's the basic gist. |
| 22:53.32 | stderr | Lisp around C++ time, I suppose |
| 22:54.21 | stderr | Perl / C++ / Python / Smalltalk was essentially concurrent. |
| 22:54.46 | stderr | depends on your style of programming. They're both strong languages. |
| 22:55.03 | mgeary | weakly-typed strong languages ;) |
| 22:55.34 | mindjuju | http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/ruby-from-other-languages/to-ruby-from-php/ |
| 22:55.37 | stderr | both Python and Ruby are strongly-typed |
| 22:55.44 | mgeary | ?? |
| 22:55.47 | stderr | but they're _dynamically_ typed as well. |
| 22:55.58 | mgeary | ah, yeah, that's what i meant |
| 22:56.09 | mgeary | a = "michael"; a= 3 |
| 22:56.11 | mgeary | works |
| 22:56.15 | stderr | http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=7590 |
| 22:56.35 | DexterTheDragon | strongly-typed ftw |
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| 23:04.04 | mgeary | what's the easiest way to get a list of total (recursive) files/directories for a directory? |
| 23:04.07 | mgeary | strike that |
| 23:04.19 | mgeary | what's the easiest way to get a COUNT of the total (recursive) files/directories for a directory? |
| 23:04.34 | mgeary | i want to know how many files are in each sub-directory of a given directory |
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| 23:05.01 | stderr | PHP? |
| 23:06.39 | mgeary | CLI |
| 23:06.39 | mgeary | unix |
| 23:09.06 | stderr | find . -type fd | wc -l ? |
| 23:09.21 | mgeary | but that won't give me a summary on a per-directory basis |
| 23:09.37 | mgeary | context: i've got a list of virtualhost directories, and i need to know how many files are in each site |
| 23:10.23 | stderr | personally, I'd just use Python |
| 23:10.32 | mgeary | do tell |
| 23:10.59 | stderr | os.listdir() |
| 23:11.14 | stderr | or os.path.walk() for recursiveness |
| 23:13.31 | mgeary | hey, what's the right way to do this: |
| 23:13.36 | mgeary | os.path.walk.__doc__ |
| 23:13.52 | mgeary | such that it outputs formatted text? (not \n's) |
| 23:14.10 | stderr | help(os.path.walk) |
| 23:14.28 | mgeary | ah, thanks |
| 23:14.30 | stderr | np |
| 23:14.48 | stderr | man, no layoffs today |
| 23:15.07 | mgeary | that a change? |
| 23:15.10 | stderr | I may get to take my vacation without having to bite the bullet for my jr. programmer. |
| 23:15.15 | stderr | well |
| 23:16.04 | stderr | new job in Utah, but I'd like to take my vacation beforehand that I have saved up. But if layoffs come, they'll get rid of one of my jr. programmers (yet again), and I promised (all two of em) that if they did, I'd just say "hey, I'm leaving, take me instead" |
| 23:18.14 | mindjuju | congrats on the new job! |
| 23:19.09 | mindjuju | i suppose i'll have to make good on all that halo3 smack talk i amde a while back about beating ya, though honestly i've only logged like 2hrs of game play over at macnewbold's code greene |
| 23:19.35 | stderr | you can always, alternatively, get your butt kicked in Call of Duty |
| 23:19.50 | mindjuju | Call of Duty time logged -0 |
| 23:20.05 | mindjuju | i don't think i've even see a trailer for the last couple of releases |
| 23:20.13 | stderr | tsk tsk |
| 23:20.28 | mindjuju | though now that I think about it, i did play Call of Duty 2, it was WWII, wasn't it? |
| 23:20.40 | mindjuju | played that at a LAN party for a couple hrs |
| 23:20.41 | stderr | yea |
| 23:20.44 | stderr | CoD 4 is modern |
| 23:20.54 | stderr | CoD: World at War (newest) is WW2 again though |
| 23:22.16 | Touk | i cant wait for the next CoD, world at war just wasnt nearly as fun as modern |
| 23:25.22 | stderr | I agree, but I raze at both. |
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