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| 14:11.30 | utahcon | what up justincarmony |
| 14:11.51 | justincarmony | just got up, checking emails and such before heading into the office :) you? |
| 14:12.08 | utahcon | Slacker! I have been at the office for over an hour! |
| 14:12.14 | utahcon | went to the gym before that... |
| 14:12.15 | utahcon | D: |
| 14:12.16 | utahcon | :D |
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| 15:02.57 | carmony | I need to get to the gym... :P |
| 15:03.29 | utahcon | I need to get new gym shoes |
| 15:03.31 | utahcon | my poor toes |
| 15:04.04 | monnok1 | I fell bad for your shoes |
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| 15:12.56 | carmony | utahcon, you work on conman right? |
| 15:13.34 | utahcon | carmony: yeah |
| 15:13.47 | carmony | while registering |
| 15:13.51 | carmony | I got this: http://screencast.com/t/bIzGYVqXdvL |
| 15:14.42 | utahcon | a non-error? |
| 15:15.11 | carmony | I tried it again and it worked |
| 15:15.19 | carmony | I think maybe my passwords didn't match |
| 15:15.29 | carmony | but nothing said "Your passwords didn't match" |
| 15:15.56 | utahcon | I will note it in the issue tracker. Thanks! |
| 15:16.05 | carmony | no problem :) |
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| 15:24.28 | herlo | carmony: did you just do it? |
| 15:25.25 | carmony | yeah, I just registerd |
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| 15:25.51 | herlo | kk, we were having some issues this morning. Rolled back just now |
| 15:36.58 | carmony | Well, I'm going to think about some topics I could give. We'll see what I come up with :) |
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| 15:49.44 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
| 15:50.01 | utahcon | wtf |
| 15:50.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Good morning. |
| 15:50.28 | macnewbold | gotta love totally random quotes... |
| 15:50.53 | carmony | ~lart macnewbold |
| 15:50.53 | ibot | beats macnewbold severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 15:50.58 | carmony | ah, that felt good :) |
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| 16:16.40 | carmony | So how is everyone's monday? |
| 16:17.17 | utahcon | I am looking through databases and code to find ways to clean up code/databases |
| 16:17.35 | carmony | Did you guys ever get that jet profiler? |
| 16:17.47 | utahcon | not that I know of |
| 16:18.07 | carmony | I've been using it and LOVING it |
| 16:18.28 | utahcon | I remember you speaking of it |
| 16:18.42 | utahcon | we are more looking to make a human logical changes to tables and databases. |
| 16:19.04 | utahcon | Over the last 2+ years we have many hands in the development of our DBs and things are getting carried away. |
| 16:19.35 | utahcon | I have 3 distinctly different applications running from 1 database, when they can logically be three databases. |
| 16:20.17 | utahcon | the soundtrack for the new Transformers is really lame... so far. |
| 16:22.32 | carmony | uh oh.... my wife doesn't get today's XKCD |
| 16:22.55 | utahcon | good luck explaining that :D |
| 16:23.27 | DexterTheDragon | hehehehehe |
| 16:23.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Doesn't she use the internet? |
| 16:24.15 | utahcon | don't act like you get it DexterTheDragon :D |
| 16:26.46 | carmony | LOL, she does, but not enough to know what a fleshlight is :P |
| 16:27.11 | Lone_Wanderer | I almost wish I didn't. |
| 16:27.16 | Lone_Wanderer | s/almost// |
| 16:28.43 | utahcon | Cheap Trick covering the Transformers theme. |
| 16:29.46 | mgeary | carmony: what's the diff b/t the free + pro versions of jet? |
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| 16:31.00 | mgeary | nm: http://www.jetprofiler.com/buy/ |
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| 16:32.32 | justincarmony | locked queries was the big one for me |
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| 17:04.37 | utahcon | waiting for MySQL to copy large tables sucks. |
| 17:05.50 | mgeary | you know you can just stop mysql and copy the files on the disk... |
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| 17:12.10 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary: not with innodb |
| 17:12.17 | mgeary | true |
| 17:12.33 | mgeary | but if you're going to use innodb, you might as well use postgres |
| 17:15.50 | wps | I can't believe this |
| 17:15.55 | wps | the phone companies are rediculous |
| 17:15.59 | wps | first text messages were free |
| 17:16.11 | wps | then five centsâ¦Â then 10â¦Â now 20 cents |
| 17:16.25 | wps | and now t-mobile is charging you minutes to call your voice mail! |
| 17:16.52 | wps | I have had a mobile phone for a decade and have never paid to contact voice mail |
| 17:17.24 | jsmith | wps: If you had a google voice account, you could get google to call your phone and your voicemail for free :-) |
| 17:17.47 | jsmith | s/and your voi/and connect you to your voi/ |
| 17:17.50 | wps | I do have one, actually |
| 17:18.07 | wps | (this is my wife's phoneâ¦Â she is on t-mobile) |
| 17:18.10 | jsmith | Problem solved, as long as you're close to your PC |
| 17:18.11 | mgeary | did you see that congress has opened an investigation into text messaging charges? |
| 17:18.18 | wps | I did |
| 17:18.22 | mgeary | asking the telcos to justify them |
| 17:18.25 | wps | that TM thing is the biggest racket ever |
| 17:18.31 | wps | TMs are free for them |
| 17:18.33 | jsmith | mgeary: Congress is not an investigation service... it will go nowhere I tell you... nowhere |
| 17:18.47 | wps | I costs them no extra overhead to run text messages |
| 17:19.06 | wps | they are sent in the signal that already communicates back and forth as the phone stays in touch with the towers |
| 17:19.18 | Lone_Wanderer | seriously? |
| 17:19.24 | wps | yup |
| 17:19.43 | jsmith | wps: Not trying to defend the telcos (heaven forbid!), but they use that to subsidize calls these days |
| 17:19.47 | jsmith | (and data plans) |
| 17:20.18 | jsmith | The silly kids paying 20c per text are helping you have a cheap data plan on your iSmartPhone |
| 17:20.46 | tierra | I think in most of those cases, telcos are giving the excuse that it's used, limited, connection frequencies that's the issue, not bandwidth... which I think is also BS, but a lot easier to argue in the case of TMs |
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| 17:23.00 | tierra | also, the data plan for an iPhone is a required extra $30/mo (which is actually more expensive than my unlimited data plan with the same telco, but not on an iPhone - go figure)... certainly not cheap |
| 17:23.34 | mgeary | heh. yeah, i get 15 megabits/sec on my home connection for $42/month |
| 17:23.45 | mgeary | hard to see how the iphone's data plan is justified |
| 17:23.58 | tierra | my unlimited data on AT&T is like $15/mo |
| 17:24.10 | Lone_Wanderer | It's justified by the logic that anyone willing to pay for an iphone is also willing to pay extra for their plan. |
| 17:24.17 | mgeary | yep |
| 17:24.35 | mgeary | once some competition can enter the market, those prices will go down |
| 17:25.07 | tierra | telcos really are a huge racket |
| 17:25.08 | utahcon | Tmobile data plan for the G1 is $24.99/$34.99 depending on your TM package 400/Unlmtd |
| 17:27.29 | tierra | specifically in the U.S. too... the situation is so much better for consumers pretty much in every other country - including those with much higher population densities, it's really pretty obvious that U.S. consumers are getting ripped off |
| 17:27.40 | stderr | I pay 110/month for my AT&T service plan |
| 17:28.53 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 17:29.21 | wps | I told the rep at tmobile that I was not happy and that I would not be moving to ATT after my contract was up (in a month or two) |
| 17:29.51 | wps | she transferred me to the "save" team and the lady that came on the phone said "so I understand that you're furious" |
| 17:29.56 | wps | furious? |
| 17:29.58 | wps | :) |
| 17:30.36 | wps | no, I just said I was rather disappointed that you were charging me to listen to my voice messages |
| 17:31.32 | macnewbold | the issue with the iphone data plan is that the iphone users actually _use_ the "unlimited" data plan, and can do useful stuff all the time with it. most other phones, even the nicest smartphones, don't really take advantage of the data plans much. |
| 17:31.38 | macnewbold | it's a total ripoff |
| 17:32.51 | stderr | very true |
| 17:34.10 | Lone_Wanderer | tierra: shouldn't population density work the other way? i.e. lower population densities make it more expensive to provide service? |
| 17:34.19 | stderr | the geeks are all like "gawrsh, I can't believe the prices and all the problems they claim deploying this sort of stuff", but they don't seem to realize the whole "mainstream" part. the iPhone uses the data plan extensively, even for normal Joe user. It's not just nerds sshing into their home boxes anymore. |
| 17:34.21 | wps | I also think internet access is overpriced |
| 17:34.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Since you've got to put cell towers all freaking over the place to give coverage to a lower number of people |
| 17:34.43 | wps | $50 bucks a month? |
| 17:35.08 | stderr | wps: my cable bill is 300/month, I don't even want to hear it. |
| 17:35.16 | Lone_Lunch | dude |
| 17:35.18 | wps | holy moses |
| 17:35.20 | Lone_Lunch | you can get porn for free online |
| 17:35.25 | Lone_Lunch | you don't have to do ppv movies any more |
| 17:36.37 | wps | having your mortgage with the same institution as your checking/savings account is so nice |
| 17:36.47 | stderr | Lone_Lunch: right, thanks for the tip |
| 17:36.57 | wps | you make a mortgage payment by just transferring money from one sub account to another |
| 17:37.13 | stderr | I just have the best internet (90/month), and full channels plus the ESPN sports package |
| 17:40.10 | stderr | with Charter internet, the worst company in the world |
| 17:43.28 | mgeary | there's a thought |
| 17:43.38 | mgeary | Philip-Morris ought to sell cable TV |
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| 18:07.56 | utahcon | hunger sucks |
| 18:08.23 | DexterTheDragon | punch it |
| 18:13.01 | carmony | I just ate Quiznos |
| 18:13.25 | DexterTheDragon | the whole building?!? |
| 18:18.58 | tierra | Lone_Lunch: I just meant that the argument about limited connection frequencies is pretty much BS considering that it's not a problem in other countries with higher population densities |
| 18:34.47 | Lone_Lunch | tierra: makes sense |
| 18:47.04 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 18:47.05 | ibot | lowers orsonj's priority |
| 18:47.33 | stderr | http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/22/misspelled-english-buchanan/ lulz |
| 18:49.39 | utahcon | the banner is hilariious |
| 18:49.42 | utahcon | the rest is just sad |
| 18:52.19 | stderr | great strategy against illegal immigration, though. "Make English the official language!". Yea. That oughta work. |
| 18:52.43 | Lone_Wanderer | ....isn't it already? |
| 18:53.14 | stderr | the U.S. doesn't have an official language. |
| 18:53.33 | DexterTheDragon | I thought they made englidh the official language not to long ago |
| 18:53.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Are you sure? I thought there was a vote (mostly between German and English) way back when, and English won? |
| 18:53.50 | DexterTheDragon | s/englidh/english/ |
| 18:53.52 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm talking like, way before WWII, obviously, or German wouldn't have even been on the ballot. |
| 18:54.23 | utahcon | DexterTheDragon: I know Utah adopted English as the official language of the State, I don't think they did it nationally. |
| 18:54.28 | Lone_Wanderer | anyway, if it's not the official language now, making it so won't do shit to stop illegal immigration |
| 18:54.29 | stderr | no, some states have made English an official language, but the federal government doesn't mandate one. |
| 18:54.39 | utahcon | and it shouldn't |
| 18:54.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe it was Minnesota that did it then. |
| 18:54.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Why shouldn't it? |
| 18:54.55 | stderr | why should it? |
| 18:55.06 | utahcon | It goes against the who foundation of the united states. |
| 18:55.10 | Lone_Wanderer | It does? |
| 18:55.10 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer - watch language please |
| 18:55.14 | utahcon | s/who/whole/ |
| 18:55.29 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, sorry mindjuju |
| 18:56.32 | mindjuju | sorry, didn't mean to stifle y'alls discussion |
| 18:56.36 | utahcon | The US is meant to be a place where all can come and live equally. To designate a language as the official language (at least in my opinion) discourages the feeling of being welcome to a land. |
| 18:57.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyway, it just seems like having an official language kind of makes sense, because if you don't someone might decide "I'm going to write this official government document in Bangladeshi" and what can you do about it, because there's no official language? |
| 18:57.23 | stderr | well I don't really think naming an official language is very discriminatory, regardless of the conservative's implicit racial intentions. |
| 18:57.32 | stderr | I just don't think it's very important. |
| 18:57.48 | stderr | Lone_Wanderer: sure, and then it'd be completely ignored. |
| 18:57.49 | utahcon | Lone_Wanderer: An official language for Government and an official language for a country are two different things. |
| 18:57.57 | utahcon | I totally agree a standard should be used in goverment. |
| 18:58.00 | Lone_Wanderer | The only benefit I can see is if people were actually trying to conduct govt. business in a language other than English, but afaik nobody's doing that |
| 18:58.24 | stderr | legislation has already way too many historical implicit official use of English, noone is going to write a piece of legislation in Swahili |
| 18:58.25 | Lone_Wanderer | utahcon: What's the difference? |
| 18:58.29 | DexterTheDragon | from wikipedia: English is the /de facto/ language of American government and the sole language spoken at home by 81% of Americans age five and older. |
| 18:58.30 | stderr | It'd be torn apart. |
| 18:58.39 | fungus | an Official Language should only be as important as a national bird, flower, or song. |
| 18:59.03 | utahcon | agreed fungus |
| 18:59.03 | utahcon | I am going to eat... |
| 18:59.17 | Lone_Wanderer | stderr: I can just see someone in a small govt. office somewhere writing something in Spanish and then suing to keep it that way because there's no Official Language |
| 18:59.36 | Lone_Wanderer | then yelling about oppression or something when they get told to knock it off and be a reasonable adult |
| 18:59.50 | stderr | that's quite the story you got going there |
| 18:59.54 | stderr | you should write a novel |
| 19:00.33 | Lone_Wanderer | My capacity for imagining potential human stupidity is limitless. |
| 19:00.38 | Lone_Wanderer | If I wrote it all down I'd do nothing else. |
| 19:00.45 | stderr | just because you can think of some outlandish way that people could use it doesn't mean we should spend time declaring English the official language |
| 19:02.20 | stderr | "Potentially, people could make a catapult out of flag poles and shoot large piles of manure onto government buildings. I move that we abolish the U.S. Flag and institute the U.S. Rug" |
| 19:03.44 | mindjuju | di.fm/breaks is playin' some way good stuff |
| 19:03.49 | mindjuju | just thought i'd interject |
| 19:05.52 | Lone_Wanderer | :) |
| 19:16.31 | justincarmony | LOL |
| 19:16.47 | justincarmony | Just explained today's XKCD to my wife... she was like "Uh? Oh..... OOOOH! EEEEW!" |
| 19:33.47 | justincarmony | so whats new with everyone/ |
| 19:33.48 | justincarmony | ? |
| 19:34.58 | Lone_Wanderer | so, folks |
| 19:35.03 | Lone_Wanderer | trimming and bottom posting |
| 19:35.13 | Lone_Wanderer | where can I find a good summary of why these are both good ideas? |
| 19:35.25 | utahcon | Lone_Wanderer: ask the folks on the SLLUG list |
| 19:35.29 | utahcon | they are more than happy to share :D |
| 19:35.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, I'd like a single web page that I can link people to |
| 19:36.08 | utahcon | You want a "Why you should trim and bottom post?" or a "Why it doesn't matter if you trim and bottom post?" |
| 19:36.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Why you should. |
| 19:36.44 | Lone_Wanderer | What's the CSS-related list where you can get banned from the list if you don't do those two things? |
| 19:36.50 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought it was A List Apart... |
| 19:37.31 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, css-discuss |
| 19:37.49 | utahcon | I would help you in this endeavor but I really don't worry about it. |
| 19:38.58 | DexterTheDragon | http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 |
| 19:42.02 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks |
| 19:43.23 | DexterTheDragon | anyone know where geek lunch is going to be this month? (herlo mindjuju) |
| 19:45.11 | utahcon | DexterTheDragon: that did address trimming and bottom posting... but briefly and almost as not required :D |
| 19:45.49 | DexterTheDragon | utahcon: I view that rfc more as a joke about netiquette |
| 19:46.01 | utahcon | good cause I laughed at it a lot :D |
| 19:47.33 | utahcon | love this one : Never send chain letters via electronic mail. Chain letters are forbidden on the Internet. Your network privileges will be revoked. Notify your local system administrator if your ever receive one. |
| 19:47.58 | DexterTheDragon | yep |
| 19:48.29 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: your mom's house |
| 19:48.40 | utahcon | nice |
| 19:49.18 | DexterTheDragon | thats my favorite place to eat |
| 19:50.14 | utahcon | I hope she has egg salad |
| 20:55.43 | mgeary_ | ~rlart |
| 20:55.43 | ibot | runs at macnewbold with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
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| 21:22.52 | redroy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2a8TRSgzZY |
| 21:23.05 | redroy | Awesome |
| 21:25.05 | beandog | redroy, that video is awesome |
| 21:25.47 | redroy | It's so dead on... it's scary |
| 21:26.34 | redroy | I love the last bit where they want to know how it's made so they can do it... I've heard that twice this year already |
| 21:27.19 | mindjuju | any Dune geeks should watch the youtube vid i posted earlier and see if you can answer the questions he posed the President about Dune (time in vid - 11:40) |
| 21:27.30 | mindjuju | no looking it up, has to be from memory |
| 21:28.42 | thebigdog | what are the questions and i will answer them |
| 21:29.07 | mindjuju | k, i'll go back and post them |
| 21:29.14 | mindjuju | it's REALLY funny though |
| 21:31.10 | mindjuju | 1. what is the name of the sandworm in Fremin? |
| 21:31.10 | mindjuju | 2. what is the name of the machine to summon the sandworm |
| 21:31.10 | mindjuju | 3. what is the name of the hallucinogenic vomit that comes from the baby sandworms when they are drowned in water |
| 21:31.45 | mindjuju | funny that he'd President Obama on the spot |
| 21:32.09 | mindjuju | though he kindly doesn't require the President to answer |
| 21:38.01 | orsonj | I wonder how they found out about the effects of baby sandworm vomit |
| 21:38.29 | beandog | that's pretty specific questions |
| 21:38.32 | mindjuju | i'd imagine that it's discovery would be direct, but prolly indirect |
| 21:38.51 | mindjuju | ie, they found baby sandworm vomit and said, hey, this stuff is neato |
| 21:39.00 | mindjuju | then the sat around a pondered how to get more of it |
| 21:39.08 | fungus | orsonj: they just had their own version of Andrew Zimmern |
| 21:39.29 | unum | wow I can't remember the answer to any of those |
| 21:39.33 | unum | it's been a while |
| 21:39.39 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 21:39.42 | unum | I even read the prequels |
| 21:39.53 | unum | that were written by his son |
| 21:40.03 | mindjuju | 1 - Shai Haulud 2- thumper 3, water of life |
| 21:40.19 | unum | ah yes I remember all of those now. |
| 21:40.25 | mindjuju | oops, Shai Hulud |
| 21:40.31 | mindjuju | no a |
| 21:40.34 | mindjuju | beandog |
| 21:40.41 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnUvZP7-5LM |
| 21:40.47 | unum | if you walk with out rythm you won't attrack the worm |
| 21:41.01 | mindjuju | yup |
| 21:41.05 | unum | my friend discovered that video recently. i don't know where he was when it was new. |
| 21:41.07 | mindjuju | just like in that fatboy slim vid |
| 21:41.23 | mindjuju | that is called... |
| 21:41.39 | mindjuju | weapon of choice |
| 21:41.51 | mindjuju | unum - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Ky5R-vxns |
| 21:42.59 | mindjuju | love that video |
| 21:44.08 | mindjuju | it's at 2:10 in the video |
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| 21:56.05 | unum | ~ie-- |
| 22:04.03 | orsonj | ~ie-- |
| 22:06.12 | *** join/#uphpu mrKrow (n=chad@wifi.codegreene.com) |
| 22:06.12 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v mrKrow] by ChanServ |
| 22:12.24 | unum | ~ie-- |
| 22:13.20 | stderr | ~asp |
| 22:13.20 | ibot | it has been said that asp is a program which obtains present ip-address for dynamically connected hosts. or some crap from microsoft. Bill Gate's pet snake from hell, or evil, or a small poisenous snake found somewhere in asia |
| 22:13.28 | stderr | ~karma asp |
| 22:13.28 | ibot | asp has neutral karma |
| 22:13.32 | stderr | ~karma asp.net |
| 22:13.32 | ibot | asp.net has neutral karma |
| 22:20.04 | Lone_Wanderer | I've heard that the .net framework is quite mature and powerful. |
| 22:20.26 | Lone_Wanderer | But I've also heard that traveling to Haiti in the 80's was "perfectly safe". |
| 22:44.56 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 22:44.56 | ibot | hauls mrKrow up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 22:54.48 | itimber | *sigh |
| 22:55.04 | mgeary | and then, you must spank me |
| 22:55.05 | itimber | too busy to chat lately |
| 22:55.09 | mgeary | and me! |
| 22:55.12 | itimber | ya |
| 22:55.21 | mgeary | yes, and then you must give all of us a good, hard spanking |
| 22:55.36 | itimber | ~spank mgeary |
| 22:55.41 | stderr | >_> |
| 22:55.42 | stderr | <_< |
| 22:55.54 | itimber | ~pimpslap mgeary |
| 22:56.01 | stderr | Monty Python reference or not, you guys are creepy. |
| 22:56.03 | itimber | hmmmm |
| 22:56.08 | mgeary | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjio-F47IfM |
| 22:56.08 | itimber | LOL |
| 22:57.08 | fungus | ...and after the spanking.... the Oral Sex!! |
| 23:01.11 | itimber | <_< |
| 23:01.13 | itimber | >_> |
| 23:01.20 | itimber | k, gotta run |
| 23:01.23 | itimber | later guys |
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