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| 00:47.53 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: are you or herlo going to stream the meeting live tonight? |
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| 01:09.31 | justincarmony | ~lart herlo |
| 01:09.31 | ibot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in herlo's direction, hitting herlo and sending herlo flying into the closet |
| 01:09.57 | DexterTheDragon | Utah_Dave: doesn't seem like we'restreaming |
| 01:10.10 | Utah_Dave | darn |
| 01:13.18 | justincarmony | Go ogden! :P |
| 01:14.04 | DexterTheDragon | woooooo ogden |
| 01:16.01 | herlo | ~lart justincarmony because he's silly |
| 01:16.01 | ibot | nukes justincarmony because he's silly with a single large nuke |
| 01:16.10 | justincarmony | gah |
| 01:16.11 | herlo | ~beat justincarmony for doing that |
| 01:16.15 | justincarmony | you made my laptop make a noise! |
| 01:16.20 | herlo | lol, I know |
| 01:17.14 | DexterTheDragon | ~justincarmony++ |
| 01:17.39 | herlo | ~justincarmony-- |
| 01:17.49 | herlo | ~justincarmony++ |
| 01:17.50 | justincarmony | :( |
| 01:17.53 | justincarmony | lol |
| 01:17.57 | herlo | sure frown about my ++ |
| 01:18.38 | justincarmony | lol |
| 01:18.41 | justincarmony | its the lag |
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| 04:25.14 | Heartsbane | DexterTheDragon: mindjuju: http://tinyurl.com/hackpwn |
| 04:25.21 | Heartsbane | pass it along |
| 04:25.23 | Heartsbane | night |
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| 06:21.54 | wps | thanks for the link, Heartsbane |
| 06:22.04 | wps | I should have be in bed an hour ago |
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| 07:00.02 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: made it home alive :) |
| 07:00.02 | supernovia | good job DexterTheDragon |
| 07:00.02 | DexterTheDragon | Heartsbane: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2a8TRSgzZY and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwqPYeTSYng |
| 07:00.02 | DexterTheDragon | night! |
| 07:00.02 | supernovia | see ya |
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| 15:48.47 | mindjuju | good to see dexterthedragon got home safe |
| 15:48.59 | supernovia | I'm still sleepy too |
| 15:49.13 | supernovia | and a bit sad that Cheeky the Talking Kitten was only a dream |
| 15:49.24 | mindjuju | hey supernovia |
| 15:49.35 | supernovia | hey |
| 15:50.07 | supernovia | hehe yeah |
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| 15:50.37 | fungus | Yup, I made it. |
| 15:50.45 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:51.10 | mindjuju | well, i stayed up till near 3a playing TF2 (since i didn't have to do anything until 11 today) |
| 15:51.18 | supernovia | Nice |
| 15:51.40 | supernovia | I went to sleep at 1am. And then slept in. It was nice. |
| 15:53.04 | supernovia | I still have to exercise & do my other morning stuff in fact. Lazy day here. |
| 15:53.32 | supernovia | actually - then its work work work (or rather, school school school) after that |
| 15:53.42 | mindjuju | what classes? |
| 15:54.09 | supernovia | I'm doing mostly distance classes this time but I have some tests for Ethics & Biology that I need to catch up on |
| 15:54.51 | mindjuju | sounds like a fun class |
| 15:55.08 | supernovia | heheh |
| 15:55.11 | supernovia | two classes, sorry |
| 15:55.20 | supernovia | That actually WOULD be a cool class though |
| 15:55.26 | mindjuju | yeah it would |
| 15:56.14 | supernovia | this is just your Philosophy 2050 class that's obviously intended to make 18 year olds aware that there are other opinions in the world than theirs |
| 15:56.31 | supernovia | but it's a bit heavy handed. |
| 15:56.44 | beandog | I hated taking Ethics |
| 15:56.48 | supernovia | nd then the biology class is just plain old general biology |
| 15:56.50 | beandog | er, was it Philosophy? |
| 15:56.52 | beandog | Either way it sucked. |
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| 15:57.06 | mindjuju | why no like? |
| 15:57.06 | beandog | Biology is the coolest class evar. |
| 15:57.11 | supernovia | Right. Class listing is Philosophy 2050, book titles and what not all say Ethics |
| 15:57.23 | beandog | mindjuju, It's all about learning stuff that's totally usless, imo. |
| 15:57.28 | supernovia | yeah I'm kinda wishing now I"d taken Biology -in- school rather than distance |
| 15:57.40 | beandog | Of course, I'm extremely opionated too, so I think everyone's wrong. :) |
| 15:57.48 | supernovia | Well, I'd say I enjoy philosophy |
| 15:58.05 | mindjuju | yeah, philo es cool |
| 15:58.08 | beandog | I can't believe I passed. |
| 15:58.21 | supernovia | I just don't know that I enjoy their take on it is all. |
| 15:58.53 | supernovia | well, mainly because I was a bit annoyed that the paper topics seemed to hve built-in conclusions |
| 15:59.10 | mindjuju | yeah, sux when the professors do that |
| 15:59.31 | supernovia | yeah, that sucks, sucks worse if they give you a bad grade for taking it another direction. we |
| 15:59.36 | supernovia | we'll see what happens on that. |
| 15:59.45 | mindjuju | unless its obvious that they really REALLY know their stuff |
| 15:59.55 | mindjuju | and at that point, they ususally love debate |
| 16:00.23 | beandog | I think Ethics might have been a fun class, actually |
| 16:00.52 | supernovia | where'd you go to school? |
| 16:01.10 | beandog | uh, about 8 colleges / universities |
| 16:01.12 | beandog | :) |
| 16:01.36 | supernovia | hehe, well at least you've got a well-rounded education then? |
| 16:01.41 | beandog | took philosphy at BYU though |
| 16:01.57 | supernovia | wonder how that'd work |
| 16:02.18 | beandog | the professor was cool |
| 16:02.31 | beandog | I couldnt wrap my head around any of it though |
| 16:03.07 | supernovia | I really do enjoy philo. |
| 16:03.45 | beandog | I think its interesting |
| 16:03.49 | beandog | But its difficult to study |
| 16:03.54 | beandog | especially comparing so many at such a clipped pace. |
| 16:04.12 | supernovia | yeah, that's true. |
| 16:04.43 | supernovia | it is hrd for me to go back to writing 'formal' essays after 10 years of doing nothing of the sort |
| 16:05.10 | beandog | supernovia, what are you studying |
| 16:05.24 | supernovia | at the moment, generals mostly |
| 16:05.56 | beandog | I never finished school. It's been an on and off things for 10 years. |
| 16:05.59 | supernovia | but I'm actually aiming for a bachelors in integrated studies with an emphasis in technology in education |
| 16:06.12 | supernovia | yeah I only took one semester |
| 16:06.13 | beandog | oh yah? that's cool. |
| 16:06.39 | supernovia | I am sad to have let my 30 education credits I got from going to russia go down the drain |
| 16:06.39 | beandog | I'm totally in the wrong place. I want to study psychology and work with a social service. |
| 16:06.54 | beandog | supernovia, howd that happen |
| 16:07.01 | supernovia | waited too long |
| 16:07.13 | beandog | mm |
| 16:07.18 | supernovia | but also I wasn't really aiming for the el-ed degree |
| 16:07.36 | supernovia | I've heard the classes you have to take for social services are horribly sad |
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| 16:08.19 | beandog | well, not necessarily to do social work per se |
| 16:08.24 | beandog | but something related to sociology |
| 16:08.30 | beandog | like united way or something |
| 16:08.33 | supernovia | ah |
| 16:08.38 | beandog | not gov't work |
| 16:08.39 | beandog | oh gosh, no. |
| 16:09.02 | supernovia | er, I phrased it wrong but I meant social work |
| 16:09.04 | beandog | some kinda non-profit |
| 16:09.07 | beandog | anyway. |
| 16:09.09 | beandog | someday. |
| 16:09.11 | supernovia | to be a social worker there are some fairly sad courses. |
| 16:09.18 | beandog | when I can afford school :) |
| 16:09.24 | beandog | supernovia, yah Ill bet. |
| 16:09.25 | supernovia | <- just got a pell grant |
| 16:09.32 | beandog | "how to beat your wife" |
| 16:10.01 | supernovia | well, one thing people have to wrap around their noggins is why beaten wifes stay as long as they do |
| 16:10.08 | supernovia | and that's a fairly sad thing to learn |
| 16:10.14 | supernovia | the classes about kids are even worse I am sure |
| 16:10.40 | beandog | yah |
| 16:10.53 | beandog | those are actually the things I dont have too much trouble wrapping my head around though |
| 16:11.00 | beandog | not that I'm a wife beater or anything |
| 16:11.09 | beandog | but I can be pretty emotionally empathetic |
| 16:11.11 | beandog | So |
| 16:11.16 | beandog | I think I'd actually enjoy it |
| 16:11.24 | beandog | I've loved every psych class Ive taken so far |
| 16:11.37 | beandog | but yah, it is incredibly depressing |
| 16:11.48 | supernovia | that's the thing about being really empathetic |
| 16:11.48 | beandog | how parents can scar their kids for lives as such a young age |
| 16:12.34 | supernovia | when it's easy to feel what others are going through and the 'others' you're dealing with have alot to feel.. |
| 16:12.49 | beandog | I work with BIg Brothers / Big Sisters of Utah right now ... it's been a real eye opener. There are so many things that othe rpeople go through in their lives that you'd never even imagine. |
| 16:13.08 | supernovia | wish I couldn't imagine |
| 16:13.12 | beandog | imagine, or just forget about once you're older. |
| 16:13.37 | beandog | I can't even begin to guess what I'd be like if I was 10 years old and going through the same stuff. It just boggles the mind. |
| 16:14.18 | supernovia | I bet |
| 16:14.33 | beandog | Anyway, good stuff. I think it'd be the coolest thing in the world finding a job where your whole career was helping people improve their lives. That's what Im aiming for. |
| 16:14.48 | supernovia | Go for it |
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| 16:15.09 | beandog | Just gotta get that minor issue of school out of the way. :) |
| 16:15.22 | supernovia | Volunteering in the field helps you know whether you could handle it - looks like you're OK |
| 16:15.32 | supernovia | seriously. Pell. Grant. |
| 16:15.52 | beandog | supernovia, yah, been doing it for a few years... it's rough at times, but incredibly worth it. |
| 16:15.53 | supernovia | I've paid my taxes for a long time. |
| 16:16.48 | supernovia | now it's nice to have the grant there when I need it |
| 16:17.14 | beandog | yah |
| 16:17.16 | beandog | Ill have to look at that |
| 16:18.12 | supernovia | do you have a family? |
| 16:18.20 | supernovia | (that you're supporting I mean) |
| 16:18.21 | beandog | nope, just me |
| 16:19.04 | supernovia | well so it'd be harder to get the grant but at the same time, less risky for you to just go for it while you can ;-) |
| 16:21.00 | supernovia | anyway. |
| 16:21.38 | beandog | yah |
| 16:21.48 | beandog | I'm sure theres a few options, Ive never bothered researching it |
| 16:21.56 | beandog | I much more prefer paying for all of it upfront |
| 16:23.52 | supernovia | you'll have to sort out then whether paying for it all up front is worth the risk of possibly not getting to do it. but still if you're doing the other volunteer work it's not like you're missing out on your dream entirely |
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| 16:26.59 | beandog | yah |
| 16:29.06 | supernovia | I knew that now I'd -never- be able to afford college on my own, let alone much of anything else f I didn't go back. so for me the grant is a huge blessing. Anyway |
| 16:31.32 | stderr | Pell Grant++ My Mom raised 5 kids on that and waitress tips |
| 16:31.48 | stderr | and food stamps |
| 16:35.10 | stderr | think she got a couple other federal loans/grants too |
| 16:35.42 | supernovia | yeah I've got the kids on chip and thats a big help too |
| 16:36.17 | supernovia | anyway - see ya'll soon |
| 16:36.34 | stderr | yea, my brother had a clubbed foot, we went Shriner's. |
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| 17:06.46 | mgeary | ~yow |
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| 17:23.36 | beandog | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/06/fraud_on_ebay.html |
| 17:23.38 | beandog | insane. |
| 17:23.52 | beandog | ebay + paypal ... that's like ... the worst corporate combo evar. |
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| 17:28.17 | utahcon | worse yet... who pays $1500 for a used Sony laptop? |
| 17:29.55 | mgeary | the definition of irony: buying Bruce Schneier's old laptop and finding a bunch of sensitive data on it |
| 17:31.29 | utahcon | lol |
| 17:31.33 | utahcon | that would be funny |
| 17:34.06 | utahcon | w00t! |
| 17:36.15 | eggyknap | PoeticIntensity: ping |
| 17:37.11 | PoeticIntensity | yo yo |
| 17:37.17 | PoeticIntensity | ~pong |
| 17:37.17 | ibot | ~ping |
| 17:37.21 | PoeticIntensity | ~ping |
| 17:37.21 | ibot | ~pong |
| 17:37.57 | PoeticIntensity | eggyknap, what's up? |
| 17:37.58 | eggyknap | The other day you were asking about inserting data into a PostgreSQL table with a column that took its default value from a sequence, and you wanted to get back the value from that sequence. |
| 17:38.03 | eggyknap | SOrry, I'm tying slowly today. :) |
| 17:38.03 | PoeticIntensity | yes. |
| 17:38.09 | PoeticIntensity | no prob... sorry. |
| 17:38.10 | eggyknap | Did you see my response? |
| 17:38.13 | PoeticIntensity | yes |
| 17:38.16 | PoeticIntensity | the RETURNING |
| 17:38.22 | eggyknap | 'k... just making sure :) |
| 17:38.31 | eggyknap | I was curious to know if it helped. |
| 17:38.34 | PoeticIntensity | yeah, thank you for that... |
| 17:38.48 | eggyknap | Sweet... glad to hear it. |
| 17:38.52 | PoeticIntensity | well... yeah, but I'm looking for a solution that I can use with any query.. |
| 17:38.54 | beandog | cant you just do nextval? |
| 17:39.04 | PoeticIntensity | yes, beandog, that's what I ended up doing.. |
| 17:39.18 | PoeticIntensity | the problem with that, is it needs a table name to perform the function... |
| 17:39.32 | PoeticIntensity | and that's all well and good as long as the postfix sequence table structure is followed precisely. |
| 17:39.34 | eggyknap | You can do currval (or nextval if you really want the *next* value), but that requires two statements |
| 17:39.46 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... I'm doing currval. |
| 17:40.20 | PoeticIntensity | I've basically got it working, it's just that I hate knowing that MySQL can do it so much slicker. ;-) |
| 17:40.21 | beandog | it doesnt have to follow it |
| 17:40.26 | beandog | nextval will increment and reserver it. |
| 17:40.29 | beandog | *reserve |
| 17:40.33 | eggyknap | What's MySQL's version? |
| 17:40.37 | beandog | if you call nextval again, it'll be +2 |
| 17:40.52 | beandog | I think. |
| 17:41.00 | beandog | Or you could just use UUIDs and never worry about it again. |
| 17:41.02 | PoeticIntensity | if I want to automate the pulling of the value, the tablename needs to follow a pattern. |
| 17:41.05 | PoeticIntensity | this usually isn't a problem. |
| 17:41.07 | beandog | which is my new favorite thing. |
| 17:41.53 | PoeticIntensity | eggyknap, I just use the mysql_insert_id function and it does everything. I believe it works with versions back as far as 3.xx |
| 17:42.25 | beandog | are you using a DB connection class |
| 17:42.26 | eggyknap | uuids are slower to do comparisons with, than integer ids |
| 17:42.35 | PoeticIntensity | beandog, that's what I'm building. |
| 17:42.41 | beandog | Oh |
| 17:42.45 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, look at MDB2 see what it does |
| 17:42.48 | beandog | I know it has one |
| 17:42.54 | PoeticIntensity | k |
| 17:43.02 | beandog | eggyknap, yah, I imagine so |
| 17:43.11 | beandog | eggyknap, fortunately, speed isn't critical in our implementation. |
| 17:44.07 | PoeticIntensity | new question: Anyone know how to set up postfix to only accept mail coming from within the local machine? |
| 17:45.06 | beandog | Aside from just putting the domains in accept_from_relay/domain whatever it is? |
| 17:45.40 | beandog | meh, cant remember the name of the var |
| 17:46.03 | beandog | relay_domains? |
| 17:46.09 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... that's probably it. |
| 17:46.29 | PoeticIntensity | heh.. I just downloaded 14,000 spams from my box. 1.5 months worth of spam. |
| 17:46.39 | PoeticIntensity | it's time to turn the thing off, except for local mail. |
| 17:47.09 | mgeary | ~brick iphone |
| 17:47.22 | beandog | why doesnt everyone have free shipping? :( |
| 17:47.30 | PoeticIntensity | UPS would go out of business. |
| 17:47.32 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: did you have any problems going to 3.0? |
| 17:47.34 | PoeticIntensity | :-D har har har |
| 17:47.40 | PoeticIntensity | haven't tried yet. |
| 17:47.50 | mgeary | didn't go very smoothly for me |
| 17:47.57 | beandog | I dont know whats worse ... that I hate to wait, or that everything I want to buy can only be found online |
| 17:47.58 | PoeticIntensity | I have a neighbor who has it. |
| 17:48.24 | mgeary | first attempt failed completely and bricked the phone. Second attempt worked fine, but the phone wouldn't/couldn't synch |
| 17:48.24 | PoeticIntensity | he's a mac-a-holic to the hilt. |
| 17:48.24 | mgeary | trying third attempt now |
| 17:48.30 | PoeticIntensity | hrm.... maybe I'll wait a bit until I upgrade. |
| 17:48.33 | mgeary | but it's currently bricked again |
| 17:48.46 | beandog | I love bricking things |
| 17:48.58 | beandog | Its one way to get people to stop asking you to fix their computers |
| 17:49.01 | stderr | mgeary: dang, mine upgraded fine |
| 17:49.06 | mgeary | figures |
| 17:49.06 | stderr | I was running a 3.0 beta already though |
| 17:49.35 | stderr | 3G? |
| 17:49.40 | mgeary | yep |
| 17:49.49 | stderr | :\ |
| 17:50.49 | toofer | Isn't T-mobile skipping 3G and going right to 4G in September? |
| 17:51.13 | PoeticIntensity | yo toofer.. does topher mean anything to you? |
| 17:51.49 | PoeticIntensity | I have a friend who's last name is Topher. |
| 17:51.50 | toofer | uh, I met a guy once by that name. That's about it |
| 17:51.55 | PoeticIntensity | heh... okay. |
| 17:51.58 | PoeticIntensity | just checkin'. |
| 17:52.23 | mgeary | (his name was Christoper) |
| 17:52.48 | supernovia_away | toofer sounds like a sale to me |
| 17:52.58 | mgeary | yep |
| 17:53.27 | toofer | supernovia_away: It's the black guy's nickname on 30 rock. |
| 17:53.47 | supernovia | ah, I don't watch nearly enough TV. |
| 17:53.52 | PoeticIntensity | hmmm... what do you say, guys... Should I upgrade to 3.0? |
| 17:53.59 | stderr | yes |
| 17:53.59 | toofer | supernovia: fail |
| 17:54.17 | PoeticIntensity | stderr, what's the advantage? What's new with it? |
| 17:54.18 | stderr | toofer: 30 Rock++ |
| 17:54.24 | beandog | wasn't the last iphone upgrade disastrous? |
| 17:54.30 | supernovia | heard 30 rock is a good show though |
| 17:54.31 | PoeticIntensity | of course, beandog |
| 17:54.32 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 17:54.42 | PoeticIntensity | a complete apocalypse. |
| 17:54.56 | PoeticIntensity | nobody ever recovered.... |
| 17:54.59 | stderr | PoeticIntensity: cut and paste, location of unknown numbers that call you, landscape mode for texting, emails, etc, messaging has been redone |
| 17:55.02 | stderr | lots of stuff |
| 17:55.02 | beandog | I just vaguely remember reading stories about it |
| 17:55.08 | beandog | They had two dot releases quickly following it. |
| 17:55.15 | beandog | Yah, Im sure I remember it now |
| 17:55.16 | PoeticIntensity | gotcha. |
| 17:55.19 | stderr | Voice Memos app |
| 17:55.29 | PoeticIntensity | cool beans... |
| 17:55.33 | PoeticIntensity | I might just do that. |
| 17:55.34 | stderr | Spotlight searching |
| 17:55.46 | stderr | Exchange support |
| 17:55.48 | PoeticIntensity | however, I do need a phone later on today, so if it bricks, I'll be out of luck. |
| 17:56.28 | stderr | the only time I've had an iphone ruined is because of girlfriends |
| 17:56.41 | beandog | did she sit on it? |
| 17:57.16 | stderr | she threw it out a car window |
| 17:57.30 | beandog | oh thats right. I remember that story |
| 17:57.32 | beandog | :) |
| 17:57.34 | beandog | I think. |
| 17:57.41 | stderr | it was a while ago when they first came out, yea |
| 17:58.13 | toofer | stderr: I guess she wasn't your girlfriend anymore after that? |
| 17:58.30 | stderr | we broke up a couple weeks later for other reasons |
| 17:58.37 | stderr | she had bought the iphone as a birthday present |
| 18:02.10 | mgeary | hey you mac users with *nix expertise-- where are all the places that the PATH is likely to be automatically set? I've removes all references to PATH in my .profile and .bash_profile, i don't have a .bashrc, and my path is still being set somewhere |
| 18:02.30 | mgeary | for some reason, /usr/bin is preceding /usr/local/bin :/ |
| 18:02.40 | supernovia | nice .. who pays for the subscription, stderr? |
| 18:02.53 | stderr | /etc/profile, /etc/bashrc |
| 18:02.55 | mgeary | i realize i can simply override PATH altogether, but i'd like to know where it's currently getting that form |
| 18:03.11 | stderr | supernovia: oh I do, we broke up a long time ago |
| 18:03.40 | mgeary | stderr: nothing about path in there |
| 18:03.45 | stderr | I'm currently dating the President of the Young Democrats |
| 18:03.47 | stderr | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30222410&id=1175145775&ref=mf |
| 18:03.54 | mgeary | ahh |
| 18:04.09 | mgeary | path_helper |
| 18:05.14 | mgeary | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.44 | stderr | hm, weird |
| 18:05.50 | mgeary | obnoxious |
| 18:06.04 | stderr | yea, it is. |
| 18:06.15 | mgeary | something put /usr/local/bin in my /etc/paths |
| 18:06.32 | supernovia | gotya, stderr (missed part o the conversation) |
| 18:06.33 | mgeary | though i still can't figure out how /usr/X11/bin is getting into my path |
| 18:06.43 | mgeary | but i don't care |
| 18:08.20 | mgeary | hrm |
| 18:08.28 | mgeary | now my .profile doesn't seem to be run at all :/ |
| 18:08.50 | mgeary | why would that be? |
| 18:08.55 | stderr | not even in a new terminal tab? |
| 18:09.02 | mgeary | right |
| 18:09.08 | mgeary | i've even quit terminal and relaunched |
| 18:09.41 | stderr | profile is run when you login, bashrc is run when you initiate a new shell |
| 18:09.46 | stderr | try su'ing to your current user |
| 18:09.56 | mgeary | nope |
| 18:10.04 | mgeary | i've set some aliases and a path change in .profile |
| 18:10.12 | mgeary | but they aren't there in a new shell |
| 18:10.36 | stderr | try logging out/in? dunno, I usually put my changes in bashrc. |
| 18:14.05 | mgeary | :( |
| 18:14.14 | mgeary | i've moved .profile to .bashrc and still nothign |
| 18:14.35 | mgeary | maybe some sort of typo...? |
| 18:14.43 | mgeary | even doing sh ./.bashrc does nothing |
| 18:15.20 | stderr | well you'd probably get a syntax error if there was a problem in the file |
| 18:15.23 | stderr | pastebin it |
| 18:15.35 | beandog | try hash -r |
| 18:15.42 | mgeary | how? |
| 18:15.50 | beandog | if your paths are jacked |
| 18:16.12 | mgeary | hmm |
| 18:16.23 | mgeary | moving it to .bash_profile seems to have done it |
| 18:16.38 | mgeary | yeah |
| 18:16.41 | mgeary | it's all fine now |
| 18:17.14 | mgeary | and gets back to work |
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| 19:19.14 | utahcon | Demo worked like a charm! Go my team! |
| 19:20.24 | carmony | nice :) |
| 19:20.26 | carmony | utahcon |
| 19:20.36 | carmony | what was that link to that article on debugging and profiling |
| 19:20.36 | utahcon | :D |
| 19:21.03 | utahcon | you mean you didn't write it down? |
| 19:21.22 | carmony | I didn't have a chance |
| 19:21.26 | carmony | you went too fast ;) |
| 19:21.31 | carmony | for that slide :P |
| 19:21.44 | utahcon | http://phplens.com/lens/php-book/optimizing-debugging-php.php |
| 19:21.55 | utahcon | just messing with ya'll! |
| 19:22.02 | utahcon | I promise to go a little slower next time :D |
| 19:22.15 | carmony | naw, it was a good pace :) Just need to post your slides after! ;D |
| 19:22.48 | utahcon | they are posted at http://utahcon.com/presentations/php_fundamentals.odp |
| 19:23.04 | utahcon | I actually posted an article/post to uphpu.org but I don't think it has been approved yet. |
| 19:23.43 | utahcon | now they are posted as a comment awaiting moderation too :D |
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| 19:38.38 | utahcon | I have a dir full of .zip files and I want to just unzip all of them... couldn't I use 'ls *zip | xargs unzip' to do that? |
| 19:38.48 | mgeary | unzip * |
| 19:39.06 | mgeary | but yes, id think that xargs would work |
| 19:39.10 | mgeary | however |
| 19:39.19 | fungus | Nope |
| 19:39.20 | mgeary | i seem to recall that unzip won't create a folder by default |
| 19:39.27 | fungus | unzip can only handle one zip file at a time |
| 19:39.36 | mgeary | bah |
| 19:39.36 | fungus | ls *.zip | xargs -n 1 unzip |
| 19:39.48 | fungus | That will run unzip once per file |
| 19:39.49 | utahcon | awesome thanks fungus |
| 19:39.59 | utahcon | that is what I thought... was the one at a time thing |
| 19:40.12 | utahcon | just couldn't remember the xargs part "-n 1" |
| 19:40.13 | utahcon | thanks! |
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| 20:04.59 | beandog | http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/19/please-bolt-the-door/ |
| 20:06.37 | Heartsbane | http://www.buzzfeed.com/rchemel/man-arrested-mid-haircut-4c |
| 20:07.02 | beandog | that is just awesome. |
| 20:23.42 | beandog | anyone got a spare usb drive |
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| 20:32.35 | orsonj | not in salt lake |
| 20:32.53 | orsonj | just spend the 12 bucks and get yourself one |
| 20:33.13 | stderr | http://www.phpwtf.org/ |
| 20:33.56 | orsonj | #uphpu_2009-06-09.log:14:48 <+beandog> anyone got a spare usb drive |
| 20:33.56 | orsonj | #uphpu_2009-06-19.log:14:23 <+beandog> anyone got a spare usb drive |
| 20:34.26 | beandog | meh |
| 20:34.28 | beandog | good idea. |
| 20:34.46 | mgeary | beandog: i do |
| 20:34.46 | beandog | stderr, thats awesome |
| 20:35.27 | beandog | mgeary, ah, thats okay |
| 20:35.36 | beandog | I think Ill just go shopping on Amazon |
| 20:35.36 | beandog | whee |
| 20:36.19 | beandog | that first post may seem like a wtf |
| 20:36.24 | beandog | but thats just how typing is handled in php |
| 20:36.29 | beandog | if you did === then they'd give different results |
| 20:36.36 | beandog | its just returing true because it's set |
| 20:37.00 | beandog | well, wait, that second one shouldn't be true. |
| 20:37.07 | beandog | var_dump($a == $b); |
| 20:37.18 | fungus | The second one is true because int($b) == 0 |
| 20:37.35 | beandog | where did you get int($b)? |
| 20:37.49 | stderr | PHP's typing is insane. |
| 20:37.55 | fungus | http://php.net/manual/en/language.operators.comparison.php |
| 20:37.57 | stderr | == versus ===, I get it, sure. |
| 20:38.00 | fungus | If you compare an integer with a string, the string is converted to a number. |
| 20:38.02 | stderr | BUT |
| 20:38.12 | beandog | fungus, buh, are you serious? |
| 20:38.14 | stderr | PHP's core functions don't use them properly either |
| 20:38.15 | beandog | o.O |
| 20:38.30 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 20:38.30 | ibot | whips undertakingyou with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 20:38.31 | fungus | yes, that's a direct quote |
| 20:38.34 | stderr | so you're screwed. If you use PHP's core functions. All 4 thousand of them. |
| 20:39.05 | beandog | the thing that bugs me the most is inconsistent stuff in array functions |
| 20:39.23 | beandog | where its function($needle, $haytack) for one and function($haystack, $needle) for another |
| 20:39.26 | stderr | right, like in_array() |
| 20:39.31 | beandog | heck, even the functions themselves don't have a consistent naming scheme. |
| 20:39.33 | stderr | which uses == instead of === |
| 20:40.13 | stderr | PHP's arrays are omgwtfbbq, anyway |
| 20:40.29 | stderr | mixing hashes and lists != good. |
| 20:40.29 | utahcon | anyone here using (and custom themeing) WP2.8? |
| 20:40.31 | supernovia | bbq? |
| 20:40.47 | beandog | stderr, what do you mean |
| 20:41.02 | stderr | regarding what? |
| 20:41.08 | fungus | 2.8? I feel like I just upgraded to 2.6 a few weeks ago. |
| 20:41.15 | beandog | stderr, mixing hashes and lists |
| 20:41.20 | stderr | do you know what a hash is? |
| 20:41.23 | beandog | I guess not. |
| 20:41.24 | stderr | do you know what a list is? |
| 20:41.26 | beandog | :T |
| 20:41.28 | supernovia | I upgraded to 2.8 |
| 20:41.38 | fungus | hash = array with non numeric/sequential keys |
| 20:41.42 | beandog | stderr, I probably know what they are, b ut not the terms |
| 20:41.42 | stderr | a hash is an associative array / dictionary |
| 20:41.47 | wps | how do you view an MySQL function from the command line/ |
| 20:41.50 | wps | ? |
| 20:41.56 | supernovia | haven't done any new custom themes since then though |
| 20:42.05 | beandog | wps, what do you mean |
| 20:42.17 | beandog | stderr, oh, so mixing indexed and assoc. arrays |
| 20:42.26 | stderr | correct. |
| 20:42.30 | beandog | stderr, whys that bad? |
| 20:42.31 | supernovia | I did notice that 2.8 introduces issues with a few plugins, utahcon - fwiw |
| 20:42.34 | wps | I imported a dump from a database that a client's client built |
| 20:42.38 | beandog | because the keys can be varying types? |
| 20:42.42 | wps | it contains a MySQL function |
| 20:42.51 | wps | (scripting within the database) |
| 20:42.54 | wps | where does that go? |
| 20:42.56 | wps | how do I view it? |
| 20:43.01 | fungus | wps, is it a function (User defined function) or a stored procedure? |
| 20:43.04 | stderr | I don't care what the keys consist of. There's a reason why a hash is a separate data construct from a list |
| 20:43.09 | stderr | well |
| 20:43.13 | stderr | NUMEROUS reasons |
| 20:43.17 | utahcon | supernovia: I am looking at wp_list_categories and it appears to completely disregard the number attribute |
| 20:43.23 | beandog | stderr, like what, now I'm curious |
| 20:43.35 | wps | I'm not sure |
| 20:43.41 | wps | can you explain the difference? |
| 20:43.44 | DexterTheDragon | wps: mysql db_name -e 'SHOW CREATE FUNCTION func_name' |
| 20:43.56 | supernovia | hmm utahcon lets see... |
| 20:44.24 | fungus | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/show.html |
| 20:44.36 | utahcon | hmm |
| 20:44.42 | stderr | beandog: go to school then, I'm at work and I could go on about PHP's retardedness for hours. Try in_array(0, "foo", "bar"); though |
| 20:44.44 | utahcon | it returns the right number of categories actually... |
| 20:44.46 | utahcon | still digging |
| 20:44.53 | utahcon | it very well could be the theme... |
| 20:45.08 | stderr | err in_array(0, array("foo", "bar")); |
| 20:45.13 | beandog | stderr, alright |
| 20:45.15 | supernovia | what's it doing? |
| 20:45.26 | beandog | I do remember in_array is bit jacked though |
| 20:47.43 | supernovia | never actually used the number attribute of wp_list_categories() but if it'd be helpful I'll try it out on a dev blog.. |
| 20:48.33 | DexterTheDragon | ahhh php's implicit type-casting |
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| 20:49.45 | utahcon | I am asking for number=8 and getting 4-5 |
| 20:50.19 | supernovia | does every category have something in it? |
| 20:50.26 | supernovia | it wn't by default list any empty cats |
| 20:50.27 | utahcon | indeed |
| 20:50.32 | Lone_Wanderer | making a page that displays a "loading" graphic and then later (when the loading is complete) hides the graphic and shows the content - easy or hard? |
| 20:50.39 | supernovia | hmm |
| 20:50.44 | utahcon | Lone_Wanderer: easy |
| 20:50.52 | Lone_Wanderer | cool, how? |
| 20:51.06 | utahcon | I have done it relatively easy with jQuery |
| 20:51.15 | Lone_Wanderer | I figured it'd have to be ajax |
| 20:51.26 | utahcon | Lone_Wanderer: http://www.learningjquery.com/2006/09/introducing-document-ready |
| 20:51.34 | Lone_Wanderer | so I really need two pages, one that has the "loading" graphic and makes an ajax call to the other one, right? |
| 20:51.35 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks |
| 20:52.26 | utahcon | supernovia: if you only want top level categories don't you pass child_of=0? |
| 20:52.33 | utahcon | josephscott: you may know that too |
| 20:53.03 | supernovia | not sure - checking the codex |
| 20:53.06 | josephscott | which function are we talking about? |
| 20:53.23 | utahcon | wp_list_categories() |
| 20:53.37 | Lone_Wanderer | okay, I now require caffeine |
| 20:53.52 | utahcon | I am having some problems with it in a theme, but I am looking through the actual 2.8 code and having problems before the theme is handed the html |
| 20:54.00 | josephscott | http://codex.wordpress.org/Template_Tags/wp_list_categories |
| 20:54.14 | utahcon | been all over it :D |
| 20:54.56 | josephscott | if you just want the top level categories try the depth option |
| 20:56.24 | supernovia | yeah - child_of just shows subcategories of one category |
| 20:56.31 | utahcon | currently have title_li=&number=8 and I am getting 6 categories :| |
| 20:57.18 | supernovia | try setting hide_empty to 0 just in case |
| 20:58.01 | utahcon | I have over 9 top level categories ... btw |
| 20:58.15 | utahcon | title_li=&number=8&depth=1&hide_empty=0 is giving me 4 |
| 20:59.24 | supernovia | hm |
| 20:59.36 | utahcon | hmm |
| 20:59.47 | utahcon | I think the number=8 is limiting before the depth |
| 21:00.03 | supernovia | and if you take the number off does it list them all? |
| 21:00.45 | utahcon | yes |
| 21:01.02 | utahcon | title_li=&depth=1&hide_empty=0 is showing all top level categories |
| 21:01.27 | utahcon | if I drop a number in there it will only show me the top level categories that happen to be in the first $number of categories |
| 21:01.34 | supernovia | well, hm. Let me try it on this dev blog |
| 21:01.45 | supernovia | actually - looks like I didn't upgrade this badboy yet. hang on |
| 21:02.12 | supernovia | (it's a sad little backburner project since the people in charge of content aren't doing much about i) |
| 21:02.17 | supernovia | it) |
| 21:02.59 | utahcon | so instead of only returning the first 8 parent categories it is only returning parent categories in the first 8 results. |
| 21:03.35 | utahcon | josephscott: is that the way it is supposed to work? |
| 21:03.38 | utahcon | seems ... odd |
| 21:04.00 | josephscott | number should limit it to no more that NUMBER categories |
| 21:05.02 | utahcon | what I am seeing is that of my 30+ categories only 8 are being pulled from the DB, then they are being trimmed to the depth of 1. leaving me with ~4 categories. |
| 21:06.21 | utahcon | so where the query (psuedo) should be "SELECT * FROM categories WHERE parent = 0 LIMIT 0,8" I am getting "SELECT * FROM categories LIMIT 0,8" and php is trimming "parent != 0" |
| 21:06.42 | supernovia | title_li=&number=8&depth=1&hide_empty=0 returned 3 categories on my dev thing |
| 21:06.51 | supernovia | and that one's still at 2.7 btw. |
| 21:07.03 | utahcon | supernovia: how many top level categories are there? |
| 21:07.07 | utahcon | more than 8? |
| 21:07.42 | supernovia | I don't think I've got more than 8 here but definitely more than 3 |
| 21:07.57 | utahcon | tee hee... I thinks I found a bug :D |
| 21:08.45 | supernovia | holla |
| 21:09.16 | supernovia | wondering how many people limit categories.. |
| 21:09.58 | utahcon | IDK |
| 21:10.59 | supernovia | yeah this blog has 5 top level cats |
| 21:12.15 | supernovia | looks like the number= makes it ignore the hierarchical=1 tag as well |
| 21:12.24 | supernovia | or attribute or whatever, sorry. |
| 21:12.43 | supernovia | actually |
| 21:13.06 | supernovia | http://dev.renacademy.org/charter-school/ - have a look here, thats with number=10 and it's showing several sub categories |
| 21:13.21 | supernovia | as there are only 5 main cats |
| 21:14.41 | josephscott | utahcon: might be worth a post on the -hackers email list to see if anyone else has run into it |
| 21:15.00 | utahcon | where would one find this list josephscott? |
| 21:15.00 | josephscott | and tickets can be submitted for wporg core at http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ |
| 21:15.10 | utahcon | excellent... thanks. |
| 21:15.14 | josephscott | http://lists.automattic.com/mailman/listinfo/wp-hackers |
| 21:15.24 | josephscott | hmm, that might be broken |
| 21:15.33 | josephscott | I know the ticket system still works :-) |
| 21:15.46 | josephscott | lots of WP email lists available at http://lists.automattic.com/mailman/listinfo/ |
| 21:18.52 | itimber | mgeary: half day today :-) |
| 21:18.58 | itimber | I'm out.... later guys |
| 21:19.14 | supernovia | have a fun weekend itimber & don't forget the bbq! |
| 21:19.31 | utahcon | 3pm is half day? |
| 21:20.01 | itimber | LOL..... can't do the BBQ... is 1.5hrs away |
| 21:20.04 | itimber | :( |
| 21:20.17 | utahcon | itimber: I will be there... and you don't want to miss me :D |
| 21:20.25 | itimber | utahcon: no, but mgeary gives me a hard time about leaving early |
| 21:20.25 | supernovia | actually I think I'll hold off on that upgrade for now & finish reading my text :-) |
| 21:20.49 | itimber | It's true. I will have to miss the utahcon |
| 21:21.05 | itimber | are you planning on attending the UTOS Conf? |
| 21:21.18 | utahcon | for those who attended last night... and will be attending tomorrow... they will have a double dose of me in one week... how exciting! |
| 21:21.27 | supernovia | indeed |
| 21:21.35 | utahcon | I wouldn't miss the conference for anything (family excluded) |
| 21:22.12 | mgeary | itimber: slaaaaaaacker |
| 21:22.20 | itimber | I'm planning on going to that.... pending baby delivery |
| 21:22.27 | itimber | so, we could hook up then |
| 21:22.33 | itimber | mgeary: LOL |
| 21:22.46 | itimber | later guys |
| 21:46.37 | utahcon | this is some crazy code |
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| 22:37.52 | redroy | What's UTOS Conf? |
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| 22:51.19 | herlo | redroy: http://2009.utosc.com |
| 22:51.46 | redroy | ah, thanks herlo |
| 22:51.51 | herlo | redroy: nw |
| 22:52.04 | herlo | enjoy, it's my baby. I hope everyone comes... |
| 22:53.22 | redroy | Got it on my Cal. and am planning on it |
| 22:54.25 | herlo | :) |
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| 22:58.42 | supernovia | herlo you still around? |
| 23:05.31 | herlo | supernovia: hi |
| 23:05.54 | supernovia | it's all good, I should be studying so I'll catch ya later. |
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