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| 00:57.40 | PoeticIntensity | thanks again, mindjuju |
| 00:58.14 | mindjuju | yup |
| 00:58.32 | mindjuju | i'm actually testing out some audio equipment for the next 20 min or so |
| 00:58.45 | mindjuju | then back to db stuff / reports |
| 00:59.09 | mindjuju | poeticintensity, did i tell you i got the m audio 1010LT ? |
| 00:59.55 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... no! |
| 00:59.57 | PoeticIntensity | that's awesome! |
| 01:00.00 | PoeticIntensity | how do you like it? |
| 01:00.07 | mindjuju | so far so good |
| 01:00.10 | mindjuju | i likey |
| 01:00.17 | PoeticIntensity | I had a friend's 1010LT for years while we were recording for our band. |
| 01:00.29 | PoeticIntensity | when he took it back, I bought the 1010. |
| 01:00.32 | mindjuju | it's got more ins and outs than i know what to do with |
| 01:00.33 | PoeticIntensity | lovin' it so far... |
| 01:00.37 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... oh yeah. |
| 01:00.45 | PoeticIntensity | 8-simultaneous analog ins... |
| 01:00.51 | PoeticIntensity | not to mention all the digital crud. |
| 01:00.53 | PoeticIntensity | and the midi |
| 01:00.58 | mindjuju | yup |
| 01:01.03 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... that's about as much card as you can get for the price. |
| 01:01.09 | mindjuju | i need to find me a book that talks about how to REALLY wield this thing |
| 01:01.11 | PoeticIntensity | jam-packed with goodness. |
| 01:01.21 | PoeticIntensity | what are you doing with it? |
| 01:01.34 | mindjuju | uphpu meeting recordings |
| 01:01.34 | PoeticIntensity | (also, it's 100% linux compatible) |
| 01:01.41 | PoeticIntensity | hmmm.... |
| 01:01.45 | mindjuju | yeah, it's a lot of gun |
| 01:01.50 | PoeticIntensity | you could put 8 mics around the room to get better pickup. |
| 01:01.58 | mindjuju | but i'm hoping to fling out boundry mics |
| 01:02.02 | PoeticIntensity | yeah |
| 01:02.02 | mindjuju | yup, i've got 2 |
| 01:02.03 | PoeticIntensity | exactly. |
| 01:02.11 | PoeticIntensity | I use mine to record my drumset. |
| 01:02.16 | PoeticIntensity | I use all 8 when I record it. |
| 01:02.24 | PoeticIntensity | I get a pretty good stereo image from them, too. |
| 01:02.27 | mindjuju | plus i want to kick out the sound i'm gathering and pipe it to the camera which also gets recorded |
| 01:02.29 | PoeticIntensity | I've been quite pleased. |
| 01:02.35 | mindjuju | for camera / screencapture goodness |
| 01:02.42 | PoeticIntensity | aw yeah. |
| 01:02.54 | mindjuju | i was really close on lonnie's preso |
| 01:03.16 | mindjuju | just some last minute tech difficulties, so i'm spending some sweet time now to find that perfect blend |
| 01:03.56 | PoeticIntensity | beautiful. |
| 01:04.19 | mindjuju | the only other thing i want is to be able to channel the screencast / camera feeds to a single point for streaming |
| 01:04.30 | mindjuju | i'm goign to have to REALLY think about how that can get done |
| 01:06.09 | mindjuju | so poeticintensity, do you know how many applications can bind to a hardware device? |
| 01:06.24 | mindjuju | ie, if on the 1010, i'm recording the audio with say, soundbooth |
| 01:06.41 | mindjuju | can i also have winamp pic up the audio and pipe it to shoutcast too |
| 01:07.10 | mindjuju | i want to think yes, but just not sure how i'd find that out |
| 01:07.32 | mindjuju | and i definitely want to stay under CPU limit |
| 01:17.44 | PoeticIntensity | hrm.... |
| 01:18.08 | PoeticIntensity | I believe there can only be one.... But I could be wrong. |
| 01:18.21 | PoeticIntensity | In Linux, there's a wonderful thing called "JACK" (The Jack Audio Connection Kit) |
| 01:18.34 | PoeticIntensity | that has the ability to pipe audio to and from jack-capable devices. |
| 01:19.06 | PoeticIntensity | using JACK, you could simple hook your recorder to the hardware, then hook your shoutcast into the output of the recorder. |
| 01:19.12 | PoeticIntensity | simple = simply |
| 01:19.25 | PoeticIntensity | all through JACK. |
| 01:19.43 | PoeticIntensity | you could also pipe in effects / compression / limiters, gates, etc... |
| 01:19.58 | PoeticIntensity | I don't know how anyone records anything without JACK, personally. |
| 01:20.06 | PoeticIntensity | I'm amazed at its capabilities. |
| 01:24.13 | mindjuju | i'mgoing to have to read up on that |
| 01:31.55 | herlo | SLLUG Meeting - Blender - Streaming Live NOW! http://stream.utos.org:8080 |
| 01:32.52 | herlo | feel free to ask questions in #utos at any time |
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| 02:39.43 | eggyknap | PoeticIntensity: delayed response, but in PostgreSQL you can use INSERT...RETURNING |
| 02:40.08 | eggyknap | In other words, INSERT INTO foo (bar, baz) VALUES (1, 2) RETURNING id; |
| 02:41.03 | eggyknap | Unfortunately, right now that doesn't work inside subqueries, for instance. In other words, you can't say SELECT 'blah', (INSERT INTO foo (bar) VALUES ('baz') RETURNING id) AS id, ... |
| 02:41.26 | eggyknap | All this works only for sufficiently recent versions of PostgreSQL (8.1 or 8.2, I think). |
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| 03:28.47 | eggyknap | 'k, you folks do web development more than I do, and can prolly answer this. I'm about to post an HTML form to a site, in Firefox. I'd like a nice way to see what field names and values I'm sending in my POST (were it a GET, I wouldn't be asking this, obviously). What's easy to do? (failing anything else, I'll just turn on wireshark and sniff it...) |
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| 03:31.04 | supernovia | you want to look at the data you're posting to someone else's site? |
| 03:31.27 | supernovia | to someone else's form I mean? |
| 03:31.57 | supernovia | eggyknap ^ |
| 03:32.07 | eggyknap | Right |
| 03:32.29 | supernovia | so something like https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/966 might do? |
| 03:32.53 | eggyknap | precisely. Thx |
| 03:32.59 | supernovia | np |
| 03:33.12 | supernovia | thanks for the superfly sql presentation a while back :) |
| 03:33.22 | eggyknap | 'course, I guess that requires restarting firefox, which I'd rather not do right now, so I'll do wireshark for this particular instance. |
| 03:33.31 | supernovia | works. |
| 03:33.37 | eggyknap | You're welcome :) I enjoyed giving it. |
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| 14:55.44 | herlo | utahcon: hi |
| 14:55.48 | utahcon | yo |
| 14:56.26 | herlo | how's life? |
| 14:57.29 | utahcon | Good. Not gonna have registration ready today. Too busy. Was planning on doing it yesterday but spent most of my time at the instacare with the wife. She had an allergic reaction. |
| 14:58.30 | herlo | oh, fun |
| 14:59.25 | herlo | wasn't actually asking about that, but good to know |
| 14:59.25 | utahcon | Just wanted to let you know early :d |
| 14:59.25 | herlo | was going to see if you had committed everything |
| 14:59.25 | utahcon | I have committed everything I have so far. |
| 14:59.25 | herlo | cause I'm going to work on it some today |
| 14:59.39 | herlo | kk, cool |
| 15:00.52 | utahcon | meant to ask you, how does Django send email? I have postfix installed and Django tries to send mail, but nothing ever shows up for me. Do you have to configure Django to use postfix/sendmail? |
| 15:02.52 | herlo | well, I have a configuration in utos-conman that disables it in a certain mode |
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| 15:02.56 | herlo | I think that's the default |
| 15:03.06 | utahcon | ah that would be why |
| 15:03.16 | herlo | I can look at it when I get to work |
| 15:03.20 | herlo | gotta run |
| 15:03.43 | utahcon | No worries. I hadn't looked too deep into it cause I figured someone would know the answer. I was just grabbing my auth strings from the DB to continue :D |
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| 15:18.12 | mgeary | ~yow |
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| 15:27.54 | redroy | Morning everyone |
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| 15:48.38 | mgeary | 0(0) pageouts |
| 15:48.49 | mgeary | just in case y'all were wondering |
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| 16:06.35 | mindjuju | howdy gents |
| 16:06.53 | DexterTheDragon | sup mindjuju |
| 16:06.56 | mindjuju | i want to make a boot cd of ubuntu that is preconfiged |
| 16:06.58 | mindjuju | like pfsense |
| 16:07.05 | mindjuju | seems like i read about it somewhere |
| 16:07.16 | mindjuju | but when i google for it, all i have is people showing how to burn a live cd |
| 16:07.35 | mindjuju | not a custom cd of ubuntu installed |
| 16:07.58 | herlo | look for ubuntu remix |
| 16:08.05 | herlo | or something along those lines |
| 16:08.46 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: http://tinyurl.com/n96w5v |
| 16:09.26 | mindjuju | cool! |
| 16:12.47 | mindjuju | i think both of those are close, but not quite what i was looking for |
| 16:13.29 | mindjuju | i was hoping to like install ubuntu, get everything setup on it like it needs to be, take THAT and transfer it over to a CD and have the computer boot off the CD |
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| 16:20.35 | herlo | mindjuju: may I point out that if you wanted to make your own fedora cd, it's much much easier |
| 16:21.31 | redroy | Dumb question... Is it normal to have an XML scheme that has duplicate indices like <option>....</option><option>...</option> |
| 16:22.10 | redroy | I'm working soap for communication and having trouble with passing my array into a soap call because the wsdl is setup like this... seems off to me |
| 16:23.04 | herlo | redroy: yes |
| 16:23.30 | herlo | usually it's inside an <options> section or something |
| 16:24.00 | redroy | That is how it's setup. |
| 16:24.46 | redroy | So has anyone ran into this issue? |
| 16:25.53 | redroy | I'm trying to build an array to pass into nusoap but because it's setup that way, obviously I end up with one option |
| 16:34.23 | redroy | I'm thinking/hoping maybe nusoap has a call to replace defined indices as it builds the XML but I can't find anything |
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| 17:15.10 | itimber | sup guys |
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| 18:02.10 | mgeary | from the website: "Because of this, UTOS will provide some soda, water and approximately 50 hamburgers" |
| 18:02.22 | mgeary | from the email: "UTOS is providing 40 hamburgers, buns (with fixins)..." |
| 18:02.42 | utahcon | lol |
| 18:02.48 | utahcon | He's hungry |
| 18:05.16 | mindjuju | mgeary, are you going? |
| 18:05.27 | mgeary | i think we just might |
| 18:05.32 | mgeary | need to see if there's any conflicts |
| 18:05.54 | redroy | Here's my exact problem in case any of you know nusoap http://stackoverflow.com/questions/284389/duplicate-tags-in-nusoap |
| 18:06.27 | redroy | lol |
| 18:07.58 | redroy | It just seems insane to me that there isn't an easy flag to pass or something so it builds the XML properly... |
| 18:08.29 | mindjuju | i might have to chip in 10 or so hamburgers |
| 18:08.46 | mindjuju | by the time my grill gets hot and going, i'll be done cooking the 40 |
| 18:08.54 | mindjuju | and 40 won't cover the grill |
| 18:09.00 | mindjuju | unless somebody is bringing dogs |
| 18:13.55 | herlo | mgeary: haha, I'm bringing the burgers :) |
| 18:14.52 | mindjuju | herlo, anybody else bringing meat? |
| 18:15.39 | mindjuju | we should bring something in case somebody is a vegetarian like fungus |
| 18:15.54 | herlo | mindjuju: I'm only bringing hamburgers |
| 18:16.24 | herlo | mindjuju: I think if someone wants to come that isn't a meat eater or comes late, they're on their own. Maybe I should make it clear that we're going to likely run out |
| 18:17.42 | mindjuju | i need some kind of UTOS sticker or ubuntu sticker for my grill |
| 18:19.37 | herlo | mindjuju: I've got fedora case badges :) |
| 18:19.46 | herlo | mindjuju: we should make UTOS stickers :) |
| 18:19.54 | mindjuju | yup |
| 18:25.52 | herlo | mindjuju: I put you in charge |
| 18:26.03 | herlo | of getting stickers for UTOS and all Utah LUGs :) |
| 18:26.26 | mindjuju | any money in the budget? |
| 18:26.32 | mgeary | ~stickers-- |
| 18:26.44 | mindjuju | mgeary, do you prefer tats ? |
| 18:27.04 | mgeary | uhh. yeah |
| 18:27.11 | herlo | tats didn't go over well |
| 18:27.15 | herlo | for the fedora booth |
| 18:27.24 | herlo | they were *alright* people kept thinking they were stickers |
| 18:27.30 | herlo | though having tats for UTOSC would be cool |
| 18:27.33 | herlo | lots of kids |
| 18:28.03 | herlo | mindjuju: money will be available soon, need to get some sponsors to pay their bills |
| 18:35.08 | stderr | http://help.benm.at/usa.php for iphone users who want to tether |
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| 19:10.36 | justincarmony | Hola |
| 19:20.49 | mgeary | ~smack justincarmony |
| 19:21.07 | justincarmony | ~lart mgeary |
| 19:21.07 | ibot | strangles mgeary with a doohicky mouse cord |
| 19:21.09 | justincarmony | ;) |
| 19:22.37 | justincarmony | So, you ready for tonight utahcon ? :P |
| 19:22.49 | utahcon | lol as ready as I will ever be! |
| 19:24.16 | justincarmony | I wonder if we'll see herlo tonight... :P |
| 19:24.47 | utahcon | He is supposed to be present. |
| 19:38.34 | justincarmony | man, I have zero desires to work right now |
| 19:38.56 | DexterTheDragon | ~whip justincarmony |
| 19:40.31 | justincarmony | ~lart DexterTheDragon |
| 19:40.31 | ibot | crushes DexterTheDragon with a full height scsi disk |
| 19:41.28 | DexterTheDragon | ~dwhit justincarmony |
| 19:41.53 | DexterTheDragon | ~stupid bot |
| 19:41.53 | ibot | Stupid human. |
| 20:11.48 | utahcon | Intel going from 45nm chips to 32nm chips... that is a nearly 30% drop in material |
| 20:13.43 | DexterTheDragon | and yet will cost more |
| 20:13.59 | utahcon | oh yeah |
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| 21:35.54 | herlo | justincarmony: I will be there |
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| 21:43.21 | utahcon | I really hope this table copy finishes soon... |
| 21:45.43 | mindjuju | man i'm tired |
| 21:45.58 | utahcon | same |
| 21:46.23 | utahcon | but don't worry mindjuju you will get some sleep during my presentation :D |
| 21:46.23 | mindjuju | utahcon, if you want the REAL facts about IE 8 - check this out - http://kilianvalkhof.com/ie8fun/ |
| 21:47.29 | utahcon | whoa... my proxy won't go to the site... |
| 21:48.00 | mindjuju | too bad, it's funny |
| 21:48.02 | DexterTheDragon | link no worky |
| 21:48.04 | mindjuju | here is the MS version |
| 21:48.07 | mindjuju | yeah it idid |
| 21:48.09 | mindjuju | try it again |
| 21:48.12 | mindjuju | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/get-the-facts/browser-comparison.aspx |
| 21:48.15 | mindjuju | that's the ms version |
| 21:48.28 | mindjuju | and the ms version says it is more secure than FF or chrome |
| 21:49.09 | utahcon | no mention of Safari or Opera...? |
| 21:49.09 | utahcon | sad |
| 21:49.29 | josephscott | mindjuju: wow, some on the IE team has some gumption putting on that page |
| 21:49.45 | utahcon | lol |
| 21:49.46 | utahcon | Sure, Firefox may win in sheer number of add-ons, but many of the customizations you'd want to download for Firefox are already a part of Internet Explorer 8 â right out of the box. |
| 21:50.09 | utahcon | in other words... instead of making a better browser we are adding the things that users have already added to other browser... |
| 21:50.32 | mindjuju | i know, hilarious ! |
| 21:50.32 | unum | and of course we aren't adding anything nice like firebug |
| 21:50.38 | mindjuju | i like this one |
| 21:50.40 | mindjuju | Only Internet Explorer 8 has both tab isolation and crash recovery features; Firefox and Chrome have one or the other. |
| 21:50.42 | unum | or did they finally add something nice like that? |
| 21:50.55 | mindjuju | in that first link, it says, Yeah, cause FF and chrome don't crash |
| 21:51.27 | utahcon | Chrome crashes... I have seen it happen |
| 21:51.31 | utahcon | mostly due to poor JS though |
| 21:51.38 | utahcon | usually JS that is optimized for IE |
| 21:51.42 | utahcon | ~Ie-- |
| 21:51.45 | utahcon | ~Ie |
| 21:51.46 | ibot | [ie] the domain suffix for Ireland, or Internet Explorer, or the browser of the Devil |
| 21:51.54 | utahcon | ~karma Ie |
| 21:51.54 | ibot | ie has karma of -154 |
| 21:51.59 | utahcon | ~karma ie |
| 21:51.59 | ibot | ie has karma of -154 |
| 21:52.03 | utahcon | ok good they are the same :D |
| 21:52.04 | mindjuju | ths is a cool quote |
| 21:52.05 | mindjuju | Microsoft is pulling out the big guns and offering features which other browsers have yet to adopt. Emil Protalinski, Ars Technica |
| 21:52.22 | mindjuju | must have been opposite day when he wrote it |
| 21:52.29 | mindjuju | unless he's talking about web slice stuff |
| 21:53.38 | utahcon | Myth #4: Internet Explorer doesn't play well with Web standards. |
| 21:53.38 | utahcon | MS Answer: Well now whose standard are we using? |
| 21:55.19 | utahcon | Reason to Install #6: Recover from crashes quickly. |
| 21:55.26 | utahcon | Yep, we still crash for no reason. Sorry. |
| 21:55.30 | orsonj | yes, firefox doesn't even support activex yet |
| 21:55.44 | orsonj | ~ie-- |
| 21:55.49 | orsonj | ~firefox++ |
| 21:55.56 | mgeary_ | ~safari++ |
| 21:55.57 | DexterTheDragon | ~ie-- |
| 21:55.59 | mindjuju | cool! edgy commercial by MS - http://everybodysbusiness.msn.com/everybodysbusiness.aspx?episode=1&source=display |
| 21:56.17 | utahcon | stupid silver light |
| 21:56.49 | mindjuju | no wait, my link was for straight up HTML |
| 21:57.02 | mindjuju | or if you no see it, look in the bottom right hand side it says -uh huh |
| 21:57.23 | utahcon | yeah ... |
| 21:57.31 | utahcon | I saw the silver light link |
| 21:57.52 | utahcon | It would have been too easy to let the world stick with one flash player... |
| 21:58.11 | mindjuju | yeah, no doubt |
| 21:58.27 | unum | utahcon: that's why we're coming out with a third one |
| 21:58.27 | DexterTheDragon | and a flash player that worked in other browsers |
| 21:58.28 | unum | html5 |
| 21:58.36 | utahcon | hmm... anyone know when moonlight is planning to be silverlight 2.0 compatible>? |
| 21:59.02 | utahcon | unum: HTML 5 will be (is) aweseom |
| 21:59.27 | unum | I'm excited for it my self |
| 21:59.33 | utahcon | whoa! |
| 21:59.47 | utahcon | MS actually acknowledges Linux, Novell, and moonlight |
| 21:59.52 | utahcon | http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/resources/install.aspx?mode=sysreq&reason=unsupportedplatform&v=2.0%2c2.0#sysreq |
| 21:59.57 | utahcon | Linux, FreeBSD or SolarisOS Various browsers. For details, see Novell. |
| 22:01.04 | utahcon | hmm |
| 22:01.11 | utahcon | moonlight 2.0 is in beta |
| 22:02.12 | unum | Novell? do they mean netware? |
| 22:02.43 | utahcon | alright kids see ya'll tnoght |
| 22:02.44 | utahcon | tonight |
| 22:06.39 | herlo | bye |
| 22:11.19 | itimber | I'm out... later guys |
| 22:13.06 | herlo | bye |
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| 23:20.24 | elg | anyone have opinions on programming php vs learning php, in the context of a summer term class for non-cs majors |
| 23:20.31 | elg | (or any other book) |
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