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01:48.12utahconso odd to see my name in the topic
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02:26.08utahconmindjuju: hit up this page http://192.168.1.4:8000/sponsors/list/ ... that is if you are on the local network now
02:26.20utahconthat sponsor is SExY!
02:29.30utahcon~ie--
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02:54.15utahconmindjuju: hit up this page http://192.168.1.4:8099/sponsors/list/ ... that is if you are on the local network now
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15:07.18DexterTheDragon~wednesday
15:07.18ibotWednesday sucks, because it is only half way through the week.
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15:47.03itimberhey guys
15:47.09itimber~morning
15:47.09ibotGood morning!
15:47.15itimberhmmm
15:47.22itimber~mondays thebigdog
15:47.45itimber~monday thebigdog
15:47.54itimber~lart thebigdog
15:47.54ibotbeats the living hamstercrap out of thebigdog
15:48.03itimberthat'll work
15:51.18mgeary~yow
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17:06.20mindjuju~lart thebigdog
17:06.20iboteats thebigdog's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti
17:06.46josephscott~chuckfact
17:06.46ibotChuck Norris uses Tabasco Sauce for eye drops
17:07.15josephscotthow can we teach ibot new tricks?  or at least chuck facts
17:08.06mindjujuyou'd have to kill the command and then issue a new command
17:08.52mindjujuyou only get to put in like 5 chuckfacts befoe you run out of space
17:09.01mindjujuso you're right, should be updated frequently
17:09.28mindjujui'm sure if we ask riker, he could put in hundreds
17:24.39mindjuju~apb herlo
17:26.32herlomindjuju: pong
17:26.47mindjujuhey, i'm updating the family calendar
17:26.52herloya?
17:26.53mindjujuwhen is that bbq in utah county
17:27.06herlo*this* Saturday 12-2pm
17:27.11mindjujuYipes!
17:27.15mindjujuok, i'll put it in
17:27.17herloyou should help everyone know about it!!
17:27.20herlohere !
17:27.28mindjujudo you still need my grill
17:27.29herlomaybe a uphpu mailing list post :)
17:27.33herlomindjuju: we'd love it!
17:27.41herlobut only if you can.  If not, let me know!
17:27.49herloit's just at scera park
17:27.51mindjujuyeah, i just got my jeep back, so it worky
17:28.02herlosweet!  I'll announce that on the blog today
17:28.19mindjujuk, do you have any email from them i can forward to uphpu?
17:28.34herlofrom whom?
17:29.02mindjujuplug
17:29.13mindjujuoh, ah
17:29.20herlohttp://blog.utos.org/2009/05/27/event-nerds-in-the-sun-plug-summer-bbq/
17:29.27herlothat should be good!
17:29.37mindjujuyup, that's exactly what i need
17:29.39herloI'll send out a blog post today and you can use it if you like...
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17:55.14stderrThe Cure++
17:58.11Lone_Wandererstderr: did you get my return pm yesterday?
17:59.13stderrLone_Wanderer: yessir
17:59.18stderrsee priv
18:58.24mindjuju~apb eggyknap
18:58.24eggyknaphrm?
18:58.24mindjujuqot time for a hard sql question, you don't have to answer now, if you need time to give it a think
18:58.24eggyknapSure.
18:58.28mindjujuk, here is the deal
18:58.42mindjujuI have a database (i'll admit up front that it is MS SQL 7)
18:58.51eggyknapheh
18:59.00mindjujunow that database has a table where client records are stored
18:59.20mindjujuwell, sorry, lets change that from clients to prospects, somebody we solicit to become a client
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18:59.36mindjujuand we get prospects lists from everywhere
18:59.45mindjujui'm sure you're seeing where this is headed
19:00.01mindjujuif we want to keep the original record, but add in none dups
19:00.38mindjujui konw there are apps that try to filter that stuff out
19:00.58mindjujudo you have a recommendation on a deduper like that
19:01.16mindjujuand at what level do you hit diminishing returns?
19:01.33eggyknapSo you're getting lists of prospects from all over, and you want to make sure that when you combine those lists together, each prospect is listed only once?
19:01.38mindjujulike trying to figure out that the John Smith working in NY is the John Smith that lives in Connecticuit
19:01.51mindjujuyeah
19:02.36mindjujumy opinion is that is nigh impossible to coorelate john smit working in NY is the same guy that lives in connecticut
19:02.42eggyknapLots of people make lots of money doing exactly that sort of thing for you :) I've never used such services, but it's not something that's specific to sql. In other words, you could do it in SQL, if you wanted to write a big query. You could also do it in Lisp, if you wanted to write a big Lisp processor. Or PHP. Or Lua...
19:02.46mindjujuand that is a bridge too far, too much effort for so little return
19:02.57eggyknapBut I agree, trying to link those too sounds difficult :)
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19:03.24mindjujuhmm
19:03.29eggyknapA client of mine was asking about "fuzzy searching" for patients in a health system, so you could find the right record even if they spell the name wrong, or put in a slightly wrong birthdate.
19:03.49mindjujui wonder fi it is worth it to port the data to another database that might offer more features
19:04.04mindjujucoorelating features
19:04.17eggyknapOne possibility might be to encode those as a multi-dimensional geometric object somehow (for instance, birth year is one coordinate), and import those into a geometric database (e.g. PostGIS). Then search for nearby objects.
19:04.21mindjujulike i know ms sql 2k5 has a search capability based on sounds like
19:04.28eggyknapI expect you'll not find a database that does stuff like that out of the box.
19:05.01mindjujuthat's a cool idea about using GIS
19:05.06mindjujuand i was thinking postgres
19:07.46eggyknapI'm not sure how difficult it would be to translate the patient data we're dealing with into a geometric object, nor how well PostGIS handles many-dimensional objects... it's just theory right now.
19:08.16mindjujuits an interesting idea
19:08.35mindjujuand i was thinking of getting it out of MS 7 as one of the most important steps
19:08.45mindjujuwe need to get it to something more reliable and that offers better tools
19:29.07thebigdogdeduping is a difficult and time consuming task...you might want to right some basic db logic to see if you can filter some of it
19:29.17thebigdogthen move from there to add more and more logic
19:29.45thebigdogit depends on how complex you want your logic
19:30.00thebigdogbut if you have some key data like a ssn then that might be enough
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19:48.16mindjujuthebigdog - we don't have SSN, it's a really bad situation
19:48.23mindjujuwe just have name, address, phone
19:48.40mindjujubut in our industry, people change wirehouses all the time
19:49.04mindjujuso john smith who used to work for Merril Lynch, let's say, could next year be working for Wells fargo
19:49.11mindjujuand we would want to know that
19:49.27mindjujuso, if we got John on a list last year, and again this year
19:49.37mindjujuit'd look like 2 different people, same name, diff address
19:49.43mindjujuand not much more to go on
19:50.09mindjujuif we pulled in something like Lexus Nexus, i think that ups the ability to discern, but then you've got a cost issue
20:00.04thebigdogunless you have something like the full name there is not really a way to figure it out unless you have something external that could provide the criteria for association
20:00.20mindjujuyeah
20:00.36thebigdogyou could perhaps see about same data
20:00.46thebigdoglike if you have the same name and address more than 1
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20:37.27beandoghmm
20:37.48beandogis it possible to have a php webpage authenticate to apache using auth_digest
20:38.21beandog~wedgie PoeticIntensity
20:40.44PoeticIntensity~lart beandog
20:40.44ibotpulls out his louisville slugger and uses beandog's head to break the homerun record
20:40.55beandoglol
20:42.13SunSparcouch
20:42.15SunSparc~ie--
20:43.31mindjuju@beandog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK0Pi4wC8Hk
20:44.03beandognothing creeps me out quite like 80s music vids
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20:45.05henny12evening all, i have a list of names in an array, i want to echo theses to a table and word wrap them to a fixed with but without spliting any names so first/last  name stay together, is there any scripts that might help?
20:46.28DexterTheDragonno but you could write one
20:46.38henny12any pointers.
20:46.40henny12?
20:47.26DexterTheDragonhttp://us.php.net/manual/en/control-structures.foreach.php
20:47.28DexterTheDragonhttp://us2.php.net/mysql_query
20:47.35DexterTheDragonhttp://us.php.net/manual/en/function.str-pad.php
20:47.39mindjujuwhich part are you looking...
20:47.51mindjujusince DtD got the first part, i'll help with the second
20:48.32mindjujutry nowrap on the col with the name
20:48.47DexterTheDragonah table as in html
20:49.06mindjujuthat should fix that up, if a name is longer than the width of the ocl, the longest name should stretch the col width
20:49.18mindjujuwasn't that what he was askin' for HTML table?
20:49.20DexterTheDragontable + fixed width == database to me
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20:49.39beandogI figured he meant database
20:49.47henny12no html, echo
20:50.16henny12say i have "joe Blogs" on the end of a row
20:50.49henny12i dont want to end up with "joe <br> Blogs" i want it to return befor the name
20:51.35beandogso split on whatever the delimiter is between full names
20:51.38beandogusing explode
20:51.46beandogthen loop through it
20:51.55beandogbuilding a row for each value
20:53.17henny12i was thinking of using a replace function to replace " " with "&nbsp" then using the normal wrap
20:53.52Lone_Wandererthat could potentially be a huge clusterfuck
20:53.55Lone_Wandererexcuse my language
20:54.08Lone_Wandererbecause not every space should be non-breaking
20:54.29henny12each full name is a seprate value in an array
20:54.45DexterTheDragonso just echo them out
20:55.19henny12but i want as many as i can fit on a line then the wrap without splitting a name
20:55.49DexterTheDragonthen stick nowrap on the td
20:56.14beandogLone_Wanderer said cluster.
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20:57.29DexterTheDragonno he said huge cluster
20:57.42beandoghumongo
20:58.01funguseww, that's dirty DexterTheDragon
20:58.14fungusWe don't say that word.
20:58.39SunSparcno&nbsp;wrap
20:58.40DexterTheDragonfungus: we were talking about computing clusters :)
20:58.41SunSparcheh
20:59.50fungusThen call it a computing claster then. it sounds so much better.
21:00.16fungusthat way you don't have to say the real word, but still purvey the same meaning
21:02.05fungusGod doesn't care what you mean, only by how you pronounce the word.
21:03.23stderrif cursing carries any sort of sin, I'm going to the Hell of Hell
21:04.23fungusIt's ok to curse as long as you pronounce it different.
21:04.59stderroh, right.  Dialogue when I first moved to Utah was bizarre.
21:05.04fungusshiz, frack, flippin
21:05.06stderr"But flip WHAT?!"
21:05.08DexterTheDragonlike french? shíte
21:05.28Lone_Wanderer"God doesn't care what you mean, only how you pronounce the word" - QFT
21:05.29unumsomeone on facebook was recently soliciting odd utah swears
21:05.58unummy brother spent a year at ricks.  he came back saying fetch every other word
21:06.06unumwhich really seemed ironic to me at the time
21:06.43stderreither don't curse or curse, replacing a couple letters is just pathetic.
21:07.06unumespecially the company owner
21:07.55fungusIf you mean the curse, just say it.  
21:08.49stderrI agree.  I'd rather be around a bunch of people who sound uncouth than a bunch of people who sound like they're 8
21:08.54Lone_WandererIt's really more satisfying to just come out with the real, actual swear word.
21:09.05Lone_WandererMade up curses don't carry the same emotional punch.  Even swearing in other languages doesn't.
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21:09.47beandogThat's why I just hit people with a baseball bat so they really get the meaning.
21:09.52orsonjWhat about swearing in Shakespeare?
21:10.10Lone_WandererThat's totally different.
21:10.17orsonjok, just making sure.
21:10.21Lone_WandererIt's also different if it's part of a musical.  Like the people who swear in Les Mis?
21:10.27Lone_WandererThat's totally okay.  You can even do that in church.
21:10.54Lone_WandererBut if it's contemporary music, that's not okay.  "Damn" in a musical is fine - "Damn" in hard rock is Satanic.
21:12.49stderrin Deadwood, the swearing IS like Shakespeare
21:13.15funguslol, is there any non-swearing in Deadwood?
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21:14.56fungusoh man, I guess I gotta start hating Obama, he's a murderer.
21:14.57fungushttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTpiwngOg7I&fmt=22
21:19.23SunSparcFly Killer!!!!
21:19.28SunSparclolz
21:20.14beandogthe fact that that's even news shows how low the press has sunk.
21:20.29beandogoh well
21:20.40beandogIll run over a squirrel on the way home to even things out.
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21:24.04stderrbeandog: I don't think they're doing any serious reports on the damn thing
21:24.05tierrauh, he was on the news in the first place when it happened... of course it's news
21:24.13stderrno kidding.
21:24.25beandoghow dare you refute me!
21:25.12Lone_WandererThat is pretty impressive though.
21:25.21Lone_WandererMost people can't just reach out and swat a fly.
21:25.21stderr*Obama adjusts tie during healthcare reform speech* beandog: "HOW DARE THIS BE NEWS!"
21:25.32Lone_WandererClearly Obama has elite kung fu training.
21:25.33beandogheh
21:25.35beandog:)
21:26.30DexterTheDragonhttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_z1STlzi0IQg/SX4kvvdtG6I/AAAAAAAAAHA/Oc9HVYh2qo4/s320/obama5.jpg
21:28.27stderrhttp://www.obamarofl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/barack-obama-bling-bling-25322.jpg
21:34.31SunSparcROFL
21:36.22beandoglook at the picture of kitties in the back
21:36.23beandogof the 2nd one
21:54.09fungusI'll take your sneeze and raise you a:
21:55.08mindjujusadly, i don't have any other tori amos that that oen here at work, though at home i have the rest of that album
21:55.43mindjujuas a prank?
21:55.49SunSparcLooks like the same old stuff.
21:55.52SunSparcmindjuju: heh
21:55.59SunSparcAs a testing box.
21:56.05fungus~console SunSparc
21:56.16SunSparc~thank fungus
21:56.16ibotSunSparc: gern geschehen
21:56.34mindjujuFinal Countdown :: Ecurope
21:56.38mindjujuoops, Europe
21:57.12funguslol
21:59.43mindjujuhmm, don't know that one
22:00.10fungushow about this one
22:00.25mindjujuooo
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22:24.47mindjujuit's funny how these guys were scary when I was in elementary school, and now... - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNGNLo8K6Fk
22:26.54fungusawesome
22:27.23mindjujutwas my fav song when i was a kid
22:31.52stderrlet me guess, the guys from Labyrinth
22:32.11stderroh.  
22:32.16mindjujuhuh?
22:33.47mindjujuhere's what i'm listening to now stderr - the nuge - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYOV8uu17t0
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22:42.18orsonjanyone know why apache would download a file when you request a directory, but run it when you put index.php explicitly?
22:42.53fungusApache is missing index.php in the DocumentIndex
22:42.55mgearymaybe your "indexes" are broken
22:42.58mgearywoot
22:43.26romanovic_join #utos
22:43.30funguserr, DirectoryIndex is the directive
22:43.32romanovic_oops
22:55.46itimberI'm out.... later guys
22:55.54SunSparcme too
22:55.55SunSparclaterz
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23:24.52mgearyman, my new machine is just a monster
23:24.56redroyis xtrementl around?
23:26.14wpsxtrementl reads/sounds much too much like excrement
23:27.02wpssorry… had to be crude or juvenile… but that's what I read when you typed his nick
23:27.07wpss/had/hate/
23:31.16PoeticIntensityanyone know how to gracefully perform a "get insert id" function in postgresql?
23:31.48PoeticIntensityin MySQL / php, there's "mysql_insert_id()"...
23:31.54PoeticIntensityfor postgres, nothing exists.
23:32.11PoeticIntensityI've written a hack that does it, but it's easily broken.
23:32.14mindjujuactually, here is this
23:32.17mindjujuhttp://www.dbforums.com/postgresql/514442-identity-postgres.html
23:32.34mindjujuin ms sql, it's @@identity, so searching for that with postgres, yielded that URL result
23:32.58mindjujufailing that, i'd invoke eggyknap or thebigdog
23:33.03mindjujuthough i think thebigdog left already
23:33.07PoeticIntensitygotcha...
23:33.17PoeticIntensityas always, thanks for the quick response, mindjuju.
23:33.39mindjujui got your back, bro
23:34.14PoeticIntensitythat URL, lead me to exactly what lead me to write the aforementioned hack. :)
23:34.42PoeticIntensitypgsql has a sweet sequencing table system, but, in order to automate it, the table names have be exact...
23:34.50mindjujuso it no worky?
23:34.54PoeticIntensityoh no... it works...
23:35.03PoeticIntensityI'm just amazed there isn't an easier way to get at the info.
23:35.10PoeticIntensityyeah... this hack of mine has been working for years..
23:35.23PoeticIntensityI'm just writing a new db connection class, and am wondering if anyone knows anything new...
23:35.27PoeticIntensitybut thanks, bro..
23:35.44PoeticIntensityoh... and BTW, mindjuju, I'm unemployed..  I got laid off two days ago from the new small job I had...
23:35.45PoeticIntensity:-|
23:36.08mindjujuyipes!
23:36.16mindjujudo you write python?
23:36.30mindjujui saw something posted for python, i think it was in utah county, like 2 days ago
23:36.34mindjujuon craigslist
23:36.59mindjujubtw, here is something else on currval function http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-odbc/2004-11/msg00025.php
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23:53.34mindjujuis 12:01:00 am 00:01:00 in military time?
23:53.47fungusyes
23:53.53mindjujuk, cool

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