| 00:10.07 | DexterTheDragon | holy craps |
| 00:10.14 | DexterTheDragon | HAI supernovia! |
| 00:12.05 | supernovia | howdy! |
| 00:12.19 | supernovia | fixing this thing so it dings when people say hi again... |
| 00:13.16 | supernovia | I guess it did ding and I just have my music too loud :-p |
| 00:15.31 | supernovia | how are things there, DexterTheDragon? |
| 00:15.48 | DexterTheDragon | fine |
| 00:16.12 | supernovia | super :) |
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| 00:52.19 | macnewbold | ~yow |
| 00:52.44 | supernovia | hi mac! |
| 00:53.17 | supernovia | I need to get your video back to you. :-/ |
| 01:08.44 | utahcon | supernovia: hey want to joins us over in #utos-dev? |
| 01:10.10 | supernovia | surely |
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| 01:10.18 | supernovia | hi josephscott |
| 01:10.38 | josephscott | supernovia: hi |
| 01:12.39 | supernovia | :-) |
| 01:19.01 | josephscott | supernovia: did you end up changing jobs? |
| 01:20.35 | supernovia | josephscott: Well, yeah kinda. |
| 01:21.18 | supernovia | I'm not off the payroll at the hosting company, but I'd have to work at least 30 hours there to survive through school |
| 01:22.01 | josephscott | school + full time work keeps things busy |
| 01:22.03 | supernovia | and then I'd still just barely be scraping by. So I've told them I'm only available if it's an emergency until they can fill my old position, and I'm only doing contract work at the moment |
| 01:22.08 | supernovia | yeah, that'd be the thing. |
| 01:22.47 | supernovia | with contract work I can do 5 hours a week (paid time, granted there's more time th goes into it) |
| 01:23.30 | supernovia | and still do Ok. |
| 01:23.40 | josephscott | yeah, gotta drum up the work for those 5 hours a week :-) |
| 01:24.15 | supernovia | that part -can- be tricky but at the moment I have a few fairly steady clients so it's not too bad |
| 01:24.54 | josephscott | cool |
| 01:25.34 | supernovia | and I'm also going for a scholarship for next year that helps cover living expenses |
| 01:25.42 | supernovia | this year I get to be dirt poor :-p |
| 01:26.00 | utahcon | it builds character :) |
| 01:26.17 | supernovia | yeah, and I'm finding it makes for a great weight loss program too |
| 01:26.22 | utahcon | true |
| 01:26.31 | utahcon | i lost tons of weight in college |
| 01:26.36 | josephscott | calvin, go do something you hate, being miserable builds character - best calvin & hobbs line ever |
| 01:26.45 | supernovia | heheh |
| 01:29.18 | supernovia | oo, my parents are trying to mess with my awesome diet. just called saying come get some steak & potatoes... |
| 01:29.44 | DexterTheDragon | mmmmm steak and potatoes |
| 01:29.54 | supernovia | and asparagus too which I happen to -really- like |
| 01:30.32 | supernovia | I think I'd better take them up on it ;-) |
| 01:31.01 | josephscott | you need to have a really good reason if you are going to pass up a free meal - good rule of thumb |
| 01:31.32 | supernovia | right, unless it's a timeshare sales pitch. |
| 01:31.47 | supernovia | and this isn't. ;-) Be back later ... |
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| 15:04.55 | beandog | boy you know you're screwed trying to find something when one of your blog pages is a top result in google. |
| 15:20.06 | mindjuju | ~apb herlo |
| 15:20.10 | mindjuju | ~apb utahcon |
| 15:20.43 | DexterTheDragon | sup mindjuju |
| 15:20.46 | utahcon | what up |
| 15:21.02 | mindjuju | sup gents |
| 15:21.11 | mindjuju | just back from vacation land for a few hours |
| 15:21.13 | mindjuju | then back out |
| 15:21.20 | mindjuju | utahcon -> PM |
| 15:21.30 | DexterTheDragon | how's vacation land? |
| 15:22.13 | mindjuju | it's been pretty nice, the fam and I escaped to Park City, cold / rainy but nice |
| 15:22.40 | mindjuju | just in town long enough to do a recording in the studio and rebuild my laptop then i'm out |
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| 15:27.56 | bween | wave |
| 15:29.18 | beandog | alright stderr, just bought a copy of mass effect |
| 15:29.22 | beandog | :) |
| 15:30.45 | utahcon | mindjuju: so all day? :) |
| 15:31.16 | mindjuju | yeah, hopefully no |
| 15:31.24 | mindjuju | hoping til around 12 or so |
| 15:31.46 | bween | yeah Mass Effect! |
| 15:32.52 | utahcon | I am heading down to BetaLoft after lunch today, so any who want come by and say hey! |
| 15:35.36 | beandog | whats beta loft |
| 15:36.19 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: http://betaloftslc.com/ |
| 15:37.33 | beandog | what the heck |
| 15:37.44 | beandog | ~asplode my brain, kthxbai |
| 15:54.36 | utahcon | lol http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2009/06/custom_1244815480066_273721740-57ce59e0d3-b.jpg |
| 15:57.00 | DexterTheDragon | utahcon: see my tweet? |
| 15:57.22 | utahcon | yeah |
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| 15:58.11 | DexterTheDragon | I love House and thats one of my favorite mixes |
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| 16:11.58 | herlo | mindjuju: pong |
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| 16:16.55 | SunSparc | ~friday |
| 16:16.55 | ibot | ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
| 16:17.00 | SunSparc | ~ie-- |
| 16:30.08 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
| 16:32.09 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 16:32.35 | DexterTheDragon | bloody plastic sign salesmen |
| 16:32.45 | PoeticIntensity | BLOODY plastic sign salesman |
| 16:32.54 | PoeticIntensity | death to em' all. |
| 16:35.55 | orsonj | I think they are also in on the swine flu. I see signs all around for prepardness stuff. |
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| 17:05.42 | josephscott | PoeticIntensity: so where is your new job at? |
| 17:06.10 | PoeticIntensity | American Fork with a company called Conexm |
| 17:06.35 | PoeticIntensity | *very* small company |
| 17:12.40 | PoeticIntensity | How's Automatic these days, josephscott ? |
| 17:12.49 | PoeticIntensity | (probably spelled that wrong) |
| 17:12.59 | josephscott | it's got that extra t :-) |
| 17:13.07 | josephscott | Automattic "matt" |
| 17:13.07 | PoeticIntensity | ah yes |
| 17:13.14 | PoeticIntensity | I see... |
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| 17:13.20 | PoeticIntensity | wb mindjuju |
| 17:13.27 | josephscott | PoeticIntensity: what does Conexm do? |
| 17:13.45 | PoeticIntensity | Sells educational information online. |
| 17:14.09 | mindjuju | its good to be back |
| 17:15.37 | carmony | wb mindjuju |
| 17:15.55 | mindjuju | thank you carmony |
| 17:16.06 | PoeticIntensity | man... I'm hungry today. |
| 17:16.23 | PoeticIntensity | and tiiiired. |
| 17:16.39 | PoeticIntensity | started playing Need For Speed again... I gotta quit. |
| 17:16.58 | mindjuju | ~give poeticintensity a whopper from whopper king |
| 17:17.00 | PoeticIntensity | addiction to driving games flares up now and again. |
| 17:17.52 | DexterTheDragon | PoeticIntensity: which one? |
| 17:17.59 | PoeticIntensity | Most Wanted.... |
| 17:18.07 | PoeticIntensity | Old school, but man... I love it. |
| 17:18.16 | PoeticIntensity | NFS Most Wanted, that is. |
| 17:18.23 | DexterTheDragon | most wanted is the best |
| 17:18.35 | PoeticIntensity | I've wondered if Carbon is any good.. |
| 17:18.47 | PoeticIntensity | saw my nephew play it, and it seemed identical to most wanted.. |
| 17:18.49 | DexterTheDragon | carbon was pretty meh |
| 17:18.58 | DexterTheDragon | undercover wasn't bad |
| 17:19.06 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... I played that a bit. |
| 17:19.22 | PoeticIntensity | I love the cops AI in most wanted...] |
| 17:19.34 | PoeticIntensity | gets a bit dicey at times.... |
| 17:19.41 | PoeticIntensity | almost makes me sweat. |
| 17:19.42 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 17:20.17 | mindjuju | burnout :: revenge is my fav |
| 17:20.18 | DexterTheDragon | yay know how they would annouce where the spike strip is placed in most wanted? |
| 17:20.27 | DexterTheDragon | s/yay/ya/ |
| 17:20.28 | PoeticIntensity | hehe yeah |
| 17:20.38 | PoeticIntensity | I love the chatter... They did it *so* well. |
| 17:20.40 | DexterTheDragon | they don't do that in undercover and its very scary |
| 17:21.06 | PoeticIntensity | yeah.. Whenever there's a roadblock, I just use the pursuit breaker to see if there are spikes. |
| 17:21.13 | DexterTheDragon | cause your flying at 220 up to a road block, then its like oh snap spikes |
| 17:21.34 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 17:21.34 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 17:21.43 | PoeticIntensity | do you mean undercover, or carbon? |
| 17:21.52 | PoeticIntensity | or... underground. |
| 17:22.19 | DexterTheDragon | undercover |
| 17:23.02 | PoeticIntensity | hmm.... not sure I've played that one. |
| 17:24.04 | PoeticIntensity | hrmmm... |
| 17:24.49 | PoeticIntensity | nope... I've never played undercover. |
| 17:31.25 | fungus | wow, the XMission shell server has X installed. I can run Xchat remotely. |
| 17:42.31 | carmony | lol, fungus, you are an uber nerd ;) |
| 17:42.44 | carmony | My weak nerd skills bow before yours ;) |
| 17:42.58 | fungus | nah, an uber nerd is happy with irssi or bitchx |
| 17:43.34 | DexterTheDragon | thats right. console apps ftw |
| 17:43.35 | josephscott | everything old is new again, X has been able to run remote apps for how long? ;-) |
| 17:44.00 | fungus | decades |
| 17:44.35 | fungus | Terminal Services... pshaw, I got X11 |
| 17:44.49 | josephscott | and now companies spend big $$ trying to convince Windows to do the same thing |
| 17:47.25 | josephscott | 28.8 modem + remote X apps == how I used to run remote apps |
| 17:47.34 | macnewbold | remote x rocks |
| 17:48.03 | fungus | hehe, "ssh -X shell.xmission.com xeyes" |
| 17:48.18 | fungus | I'm easily amused |
| 17:48.41 | bween | haha |
| 17:48.41 | josephscott | through in ssh w/ compression and you are really good to go |
| 17:50.05 | josephscott | trying to document nginx + php-fpm set up, looks to be very fast |
| 17:50.22 | carmony | php-fpm? |
| 17:50.39 | fungus | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=php-fpm |
| 17:51.06 | carmony | damn you lmgfty! ;) |
| 17:51.34 | mindjuju | ~apb herlo (time 11:51 - will be at / around desk for next hour or so) |
| 17:52.01 | carmony | mindjuju, so do we have a meeting set up for this month? |
| 17:52.08 | mindjuju | yep |
| 17:52.19 | mindjuju | going to send promo on it when I get the info in |
| 17:52.29 | carmony | who is presenting and on what ;) |
| 17:52.29 | mindjuju | actually, not his fault |
| 17:52.34 | mindjuju | i just sent in request this morn |
| 17:52.48 | mindjuju | was hainving issues gettin online with my lap while on vacation |
| 17:53.02 | mindjuju | topic is PHP Fundamentals presented by Utahcon |
| 17:53.27 | mindjuju | i think this will be v good for everybody |
| 17:53.29 | josephscott | carmony: I think nginx + php-fpm + APC is probably the fastest PHP setup available right now |
| 17:53.52 | mindjuju | because since there are so many senior people there, will all learn new tricks, tips, etc |
| 17:54.28 | carmony | Utahcon: "First off, lets talk about GOTO and how you can use it for everything you code!!!" |
| 17:54.29 | carmony | ;) |
| 17:54.42 | mindjuju | next month'll be Securing your Server by stderr (or a similar security topic) |
| 17:55.06 | mindjuju | as a side note, i saw stderr (dataw0lf) present on port knocking, twas VERY informative |
| 17:55.22 | fungus | ~knock knock |
| 17:55.22 | ibot | who's there, my arse, my arse who, erm.. can't remember the rest |
| 17:55.28 | optikal | pfft. That guy doesn't know his bunghole from a hole in the wall. |
| 17:55.43 | mindjuju | heh |
| 17:55.44 | josephscott | port knocking is a nifty idea |
| 17:56.49 | josephscott | kind of surprised that more apps and firewalls haven't added support for it |
| 17:56.52 | carmony | ok... adding this index is taking forever :P |
| 17:57.00 | mindjuju | yeah, the only thing bad about the presentation was that i couldn't use any of what i learned as at the time, i was only winders |
| 17:57.11 | mindjuju | now that i know a smidge, i'll be able to apply a ton |
| 17:58.40 | mindjuju | optikal, don't think stderr / dataw0lf saw your comment |
| 17:59.06 | optikal | He's probably just being a scaredy cat and can't come up with an appropriate response. |
| 17:59.31 | mindjuju | that's prolly it |
| 17:59.42 | josephscott | it's been talked about for what, a decade or more? |
| 18:00.02 | mindjuju | josephscott - what's that, port knocking? |
| 18:00.09 | josephscott | yeah |
| 18:00.10 | mindjuju | i'd love to get that up on my systems |
| 18:01.54 | josephscott | wonder if openssh has any plans of including support for it |
| 18:04.33 | stderr | optikal: huh-what? |
| 18:04.43 | stderr | oh |
| 18:04.50 | optikal | Hey, buddy. :) |
| 18:05.08 | optikal | Just talkin some trash to try and get your attention. |
| 18:05.17 | optikal | haha |
| 18:05.41 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:05.59 | stderr | I've been working on the presentation, if anyone has particular system security topics they'd like to hear discussed, please lemme know. |
| 18:06.48 | unum | sql injection!!! |
| 18:07.03 | mindjuju | we just had sql injection! |
| 18:08.21 | stderr | well, sql injection is more "application security" |
| 18:08.51 | stderr | wait, what day is the meeting? |
| 18:09.14 | stderr | I'm rafting down the Snake river from the 20th-27th |
| 18:09.30 | mgeary | awesome |
| 18:09.39 | stderr | mgeary: yea, family trip |
| 18:09.43 | mgeary | i love rafting |
| 18:09.49 | stderr | my Dad owns a killer raft |
| 18:09.55 | mgeary | we're going down the Snake end of July |
| 18:09.58 | mgeary | probably just a 1-day trip, though |
| 18:09.59 | stderr | No way! |
| 18:10.03 | mgeary | still have small kids |
| 18:10.08 | stderr | you're going to be in the area around that time? |
| 18:10.08 | mgeary | you leaving from Jackson? |
| 18:10.23 | mgeary | that's the current plan |
| 18:10.26 | stderr | somewhere in the Teton area, not certain about the exact location |
| 18:10.28 | mgeary | we haven't booked things yet |
| 18:10.31 | mindjuju | looks like the meet is july 16th |
| 18:10.38 | stderr | mindjuju: oh, perfect then |
| 18:10.47 | stderr | hmmmm |
| 18:10.58 | mgeary | stderr: we should try to meet for a lunch or dinner |
| 18:11.00 | stderr | I could take a couple days extra vacation and fly out there |
| 18:11.11 | stderr | (to SLC) |
| 18:11.16 | stderr | mgeary: I'm down |
| 18:11.26 | mgeary | you familiar with Coulter Bay? |
| 18:11.43 | stderr | sounds familiar |
| 18:11.44 | mgeary | we'll be spending probably at least a couple of nights there. it's just north of Jackson |
| 18:11.50 | mgeary | by the lakes |
| 18:11.53 | stderr | oh sweet, I'll definitely be in the area |
| 18:11.57 | mgeary | absolutely beautiful |
| 18:12.04 | stderr | my Dad was a park ranger in Yellowstone and has friends all over the place there |
| 18:12.17 | stderr | and my brother is living in Jackson right now |
| 18:12.19 | mgeary | stderr: that's cool |
| 18:12.21 | stderr | jsmith: nice |
| 18:12.21 | mgeary | i love Jackson |
| 18:12.39 | mgeary | yeah |
| 18:12.42 | stderr | yea it's a little touristy now |
| 18:12.47 | stderr | still awesome though |
| 18:12.51 | stderr | the Tetons are beautiful |
| 18:12.54 | mgeary | totally |
| 18:14.09 | jsmith | I was hoping to get up there next week, but I'm only gonna have enough time to stop by SLC for a couple of days |
| 18:15.40 | stderr | so let's see, if I take vacation for the 16th and the 17th, I can fly to SLC on the night of the 15th, do the prez on the 16th, fly out the 17th, then drive out to the Tetons on the 18th :D |
| 18:16.15 | mindjuju | that would be cool! I was thinking since you're in Nevada, we'd have to do preso over skype |
| 18:16.34 | stderr | yea, which isn't a problem, but it'd be nice to hit up SLC in my vacation time too |
| 18:16.47 | mindjuju | fo sho! |
| 18:22.49 | carmony | Hey |
| 18:23.06 | carmony | I think one of my tables's indexes got potched or something |
| 18:23.08 | carmony | on mysql |
| 18:23.54 | carmony | how do I check to make sure they are alright? |
| 18:25.04 | jsmith | carmony: Just drop it and rebuild it... it's usually faster :-) |
| 18:25.17 | jsmith | (unless you have a *lot* of data in the table) |
| 18:26.53 | tierra | I'm sure jsmith meant "drop the index" not the whole table btw |
| 18:27.45 | DexterTheDragon | I thought he meant the database |
| 18:28.46 | jsmith | No, just the index! |
| 18:28.49 | carmony | 7GB DB :P |
| 18:29.00 | jsmith | carmony: InnoDB? MyISAM? |
| 18:29.04 | carmony | mixed |
| 18:29.21 | jsmith | carmony: Well, for MyISAM tables that big, it's gonna take *days* to run |
| 18:29.39 | jsmith | carmony: You might as well drop the index and have slow SELECTs until it rebuilds |
| 18:29.40 | cro | yes, but what choice does he have if the index is corrupt? |
| 18:29.48 | cro | oh, that's what I meant |
| 18:30.08 | jsmith | It's better than having the entire table offline until myisamchk completes |
| 18:30.13 | cro | yeah |
| 18:30.19 | cro | sorry, didn't scroll up |
| 18:35.38 | carmony | omg |
| 18:35.40 | carmony | wtf |
| 18:35.45 | DexterTheDragon | bbq |
| 18:35.49 | carmony | lol |
| 18:35.52 | carmony | wtfu ;) |
| 18:35.55 | carmony | stfu* |
| 18:36.02 | carmony | Ok.... so I added this index |
| 18:36.16 | carmony | which is only really useful in one paticular query |
| 18:36.32 | carmony | Now, however, the MAJORITY of my queries start using this index instead of other eons |
| 18:36.33 | carmony | ones |
| 18:36.54 | carmony | which is suuuuper inefficient and brings my site to a crawl |
| 18:37.51 | DexterTheDragon | indexes are fun like that |
| 18:39.25 | mindjuju | man, if you want something done right, you freakin' got to do it yourselfg - http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=91810172356&h=sRlbd&u=YxOs4&ref=nf |
| 18:39.51 | mindjuju | weird, not the link i intended, hang on |
| 18:40.21 | mindjuju | sorry, here is the link i tended |
| 18:40.22 | mindjuju | http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/06/11/teen.self.diagnosis/index.html |
| 18:42.12 | carmony | wow |
| 18:42.32 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 18:45.54 | carmony | why does dropping an index take so long? |
| 18:46.26 | cro | carmony: panicking yet? Did you drop the whole DB by accident? |
| 18:46.31 | cro | :-D |
| 18:47.07 | mgeary | nah, that'd be much faster |
| 18:48.42 | herlo | mindjuju: is the hour up? because I can talk now |
| 18:55.09 | carmony | man this is killing me... |
| 18:55.12 | carmony | I'm nervous |
| 18:55.38 | mgeary | rebuilding an index on 7GB of data can take ~5 hours |
| 18:56.26 | jsmith | carmony: Relax... these things take time... |
| 18:56.58 | jsmith | carmony: As for your index being used all over the place, please remember that in many instances, MySQL will only use one index per query (even if the query contains joins, etc.) |
| 18:57.08 | jsmith | (another reason to move to PostgreSQL) |
| 19:06.23 | mgeary | yes, i've wondered about that-- |
| 19:06.54 | mgeary | i mean, mysql is often considered generally speedier than postgres, so if postgres is smarter about applying indexes, how does that work out..? |
| 19:07.10 | cro | I've seen benchmarks that show otherwise |
| 19:07.19 | cro | can't put my finger on the link though |
| 19:08.09 | jsmith | mgeary: These days, there isn't much difference in speed, especially if you're using InnoDB on the MySQL side |
| 19:08.37 | thebigdog | its all about data management and couchdb |
| 19:10.03 | thebigdog | what would i do without vbox |
| 19:11.58 | thebigdog | ok pet-peeve i hate when people tell someone that they can just put 4g of ram into a laptop without even looking at the laptop |
| 19:13.06 | SunSparc | dude, thebigdog, just put 16gb more ram in your laptop. it will rock! |
| 19:14.16 | thebigdog | for some reason i have people telling me that they go to the local comp store and they can add 4g to their laptop and that it will just work...im like maybe...but there are some requirements |
| 19:14.35 | thebigdog | SunSparc: i am saving to get 8gb in my macbook pro |
| 19:15.59 | SunSparc | yeah, me too. I only wish I could choose to have the mbp come without ram so I could get it 95% cheaper at crucial.com |
| 19:16.32 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 19:16.37 | thebigdog | that is the truth |
| 19:17.08 | SunSparc | unless that Apple ram is special. |
| 19:17.13 | SunSparc | Which I doubt |
| 19:17.35 | SunSparc | I add 1gb of crucial ram to my current mbp 3 years ago and it has rocked. |
| 19:19.10 | carmony | whew, I'm back to normal |
| 19:19.37 | SunSparc | ~define normal |
| 19:21.09 | SunSparc | ~normal |
| 19:21.10 | ibot | There's no such thing as normal. Only different. |
| 19:21.17 | thebigdog | it is all fun and games until you take someones boy friend http://www.hulu.com/watch/77403/nbc-today-show-teen-burned-beaten-in-cell-phone-video#s-p1-so-i0 |
| 19:22.31 | tierra | a word of advice, never rent a house from a guy named Mitchelle Spence... he's a very two-faced guy, really great before and during your tenancy, but will try to squeeze every last penny out of your deposit when you leave including claiming that the carpets need to be completely replaced when they obviously don't have a single stain or rip in them and look like new (despite having been lived in for a year and a half) |
| 19:27.03 | thebigdog | that sucks |
| 19:28.53 | SunSparc | ~lart Mitchelle Spence |
| 19:28.53 | ibot | takes out a cattle prod and gives Mitchelle Spence a good jolt |
| 19:29.14 | bween | Im trying to remember this landlords name... He diddent even give a reason just kept the deposit. after I fixed a shower toilet and a few windows after I moved in. |
| 19:29.17 | SunSparc | tierra: You want us all to go beat the snot out of the guy? |
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| 19:30.05 | SunSparc | We can add Geek Gang Beating to our Geek Lunches and Geek coding parties... |
| 19:30.13 | tierra | heh, I think I have it under control... he's just a slimey landlord |
| 19:30.16 | bween | haha |
| 19:30.49 | SunSparc | He would probably wet himself immediately if he saw a whole group of Geek's walking his way... |
| 19:31.09 | thebigdog | just hit with a mbp |
| 19:31.12 | SunSparc | "Please! Please don't hack my Internet!" |
| 19:31.16 | thebigdog | that thing will knock you out |
| 19:31.20 | thebigdog | solid alumn |
| 19:31.30 | SunSparc | thebigdog: amen to that. |
| 19:31.35 | bween | you turned off my internet! |
| 19:31.39 | SunSparc | heh |
| 19:31.55 | SunSparc | "You hacked my bank account!?!" |
| 19:32.21 | SunSparc | "NO more, please, I'll give tierra back everything!" |
| 19:34.20 | tierra | we cleaned the place very thoroughly including cleaning the carpets (once after 6 months before putting down rugs in the high traffic areas, and once when we moved out), oven, fridge, cabinets, walls, baseboards, bathroom, swept the unfinished basement... pretty much everything needed to sell the place again, and he's claiming $555 of our $1,000 deposit for more professional carpet cleaning (which did do a better job than we did, so I'll give him that), $80 ... |
| 19:34.26 | tierra | ... for a maid to clean the tiny kitchen floor (which we cleaned when we moved out, it just got a little dirty during other cleaning again), and $225 for a painter to fix up a few nail holes and patch a small rip in the wall (from something we tore down that had some strong adhesive on it) |
| 19:35.59 | tierra | he claims the painter was more expensive because he had to get it done "in a rush", but we gave him over 2 months notice before we moved out, and we cleaned up the place really nice and showed it to anyone and everyone that called or just showed up unscheduled |
| 19:36.05 | thebigdog | that song reminds me of stderr |
| 19:37.05 | tierra | truth is that he hasn't sold it because he's lied to half the people that have come over to see it (telling them it was a 4 bed when it's only 3 - and they are small bedrooms at that, or 2 bath when it's only 1) |
| 19:37.28 | bween | this guy sounds classy |
| 19:37.29 | tierra | and he's also quoting them $100/mo more than what we were paying, and it's not worth that much |
| 19:37.32 | tierra | heh |
| 19:38.43 | tierra | but that's irrelevant to my issues |
| 19:39.35 | thebigdog | i heard mgeary is a horrible landlord |
| 19:39.37 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 19:39.42 | mgeary | totally |
| 19:39.53 | thebigdog | always asking for more money |
| 19:39.56 | thebigdog | just horrible |
| 19:41.26 | tierra | the whole place is about 900sqft, no garage, just some gravel in the backyard, 3 small bedrooms, 1 bath, no dishwasher, no washer/dryer (just hookups), it's in a really run down, crappy neighborhood right next to I-80 and 7th E (the bridge is less than 100ft from the backyard), and he's quoting people $1,200/mo for it |
| 19:41.58 | mgeary | thebigdog knows that i just do that to feed my drug addiction. He's my dealer |
| 19:46.31 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 19:46.38 | unum | but it's sugarhouse. and everyone wants to live in sugarhouse |
| 19:46.49 | thebigdog | just got my new LJ today and it looks really good |
| 19:46.57 | unum | though I pay less than that for mortage on a slighly better place |
| 19:47.01 | mgeary | speaking of RAM, i'll be at 6GB as of Monday |
| 19:47.39 | unum | my state rep's computer won't boot. it doesn't beep and does have any led's on the mainboard |
| 19:47.43 | unum | but the drive spin up |
| 19:48.07 | unum | I'll have to have brother look at it and hope he has some better equipment to test it |
| 19:50.08 | tierra | the house is right next to a ton of run down white trash apartments, the backyard fence has been tagged more than once (and bleached each time)... it's far from "Sugarhouse" quality, and isn't even actually in that area |
| 19:51.05 | tierra | 3 sides of the house are completely surrounded by roads (a one lane road goes around the backyard to get to the apartments in the back) |
| 19:52.04 | tierra | anyway, I was hesitant to pay $1,100/mo for it, and with everyone renting houses right now because of a crappy sellers market, no-one is biting at his $1,200/mo price |
| 19:52.47 | SunSparc | unum, the drive spinning up just means it is getting power from the supply, but the motherboard could be dead. |
| 19:53.13 | tierra | the kitchen is tiny, barely fits a 3 seat small table, and it has to be up against a wall right next to the oven, and the kitchen sink is only one basin with no food disposal... it's far from worth $1,200/mo |
| 19:53.23 | tierra | it doesn't have a pantry |
| 19:53.52 | tierra | and the unfinished basement is about 6ft tall (I had to duck everytime I went down there) |
| 19:54.51 | mgeary | tierra: you have kids? |
| 19:54.55 | tierra | nope |
| 19:55.18 | mgeary | well heck |
| 19:55.27 | mgeary | i'd rent to you if you don't have kids |
| 19:55.34 | mgeary | 'course, you'd have to live in Provo... ;) |
| 19:55.43 | thebigdog | hah |
| 19:55.50 | thebigdog | mgeary: hates kids |
| 19:55.52 | SunSparc | Having no kids makes any house bigger. |
| 19:56.07 | thebigdog | kids will destroy your house |
| 19:56.10 | thebigdog | that is the problem |
| 19:56.16 | mgeary | exactly |
| 19:56.17 | thebigdog | worse than pets imho |
| 19:56.18 | mgeary | just ask thebigdog |
| 19:56.20 | mgeary | yep |
| 19:56.30 | mgeary | no pets. no kids |
| 19:56.35 | bween | I dont like kids either |
| 19:56.35 | thebigdog | cat = hair |
| 19:56.35 | mgeary | that's why i rent to students |
| 19:56.54 | thebigdog | son = burned carpet, writing on walls, etc.. |
| 19:57.06 | unum | SunSparc: that's what I was thinking, but the on switch works through the mainboard |
| 19:57.19 | unum | but it could still be a serious problem in the mainboard |
| 19:57.29 | bween | Caps blown? |
| 19:57.48 | bween | happend to one of my old boards |
| 19:58.01 | SunSparc | unum, did you remove all components from the motherboard? all PCI, AGP card, all drives, all ram, etc? |
| 19:58.03 | unum | ya I should look for that. |
| 19:58.36 | unum | SunSparc: I did a little. didn't have time to do it all. but plan to do it or have my brother do it before I declare it dead. |
| 19:58.42 | SunSparc | Could also be the power supply giving partial power if a fuse is blown. |
| 19:58.51 | unum | I hoping it's that. |
| 19:58.56 | unum | that's cheap to fix :) |
| 19:59.01 | SunSparc | yep |
| 19:59.19 | unum | it's an hp computer so it may be heard to replace parts |
| 19:59.40 | unum | it is 4 years old so death, wouldn't be a suprise |
| 19:59.40 | SunSparc | take everything off the motherboard including the cpu and see if it gives you any POST beeps, then a one thing at a time. |
| 20:00.14 | unum | ya I was frustrated not get beeps, but I think a lot of prebuild computers don't do the beeps |
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| 20:01.05 | SunSparc | I was troubleshooting a machine and had no beeps at all until the ram was removed and a wifi card |
| 20:01.30 | unum | interesting |
| 20:03.36 | bween | haha, my little brother works at bestbuy, had people bringing in their DTV coupons in today... |
| 20:03.43 | bween | for the little box |
| 20:04.24 | thebigdog | nice documentary - http://www.hulu.com/watch/74507/return-to-tarawa |
| 20:07.44 | SunSparc | thebigdog: Sounds like Ed Harris on commentary |
| 20:12.55 | bween | *was just given two tickets to see smokerman thow the first pitch at the bees game on wendsday* |
| 20:14.40 | SunSparc | heh, I bet the ball goes 3 meters at most. |
| 20:14.54 | bween | haha |
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| 20:31.49 | bween | thebigdog: this is interesing, and I love how often this dude curses. |
| 20:38.12 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:38.23 | thebigdog | SunSparc: it is ed harris on the commentary |
| 20:38.48 | SunSparc | thebigdog: Cool |
| 20:40.23 | thebigdog | bween yeah sounds like old navy sailor talk |
| 20:47.18 | unum | it makes me think of something completely inappropriate that my old manager used to say |
| 20:49.03 | SunSparc | I guess that is why he is your "old" manager and not your current manager. |
| 20:50.05 | unum | actually no.... he quit on his own |
| 20:50.10 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:50.19 | unum | well it's a long story that had nothing to do with all of his inappropriate comments |
| 20:51.19 | unum | I don't think I had been assigned to him for even a week when he said "Kyle atleast tell me boobs are in your top ten favorite things" |
| 20:51.35 | SunSparc | LOL |
| 20:53.02 | unum | well I should have written that a long time ago. it's hard when you first start programming something. you have no idea what your are going to use a million times and wwhat you are going to use just once |
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| 20:53.46 | SunSparc | Hey supernovia! |
| 20:53.50 | supernovia | hola! |
| 20:53.50 | unum | in a nonchalant way |
| 20:53.51 | supernovia | how are things? |
| 20:54.08 | SunSparc | Peachy on a Friday afternoon. |
| 20:54.16 | SunSparc | Hows the new digs? |
| 20:54.27 | supernovia | Great! |
| 20:55.17 | supernovia | Well, aside from being a little cold. And the white carpet in the dining area is killer. |
| 20:55.27 | supernovia | But it's a great place :-) |
| 20:55.55 | SunSparc | White carpet? In the dining area? Obviously not designed with food or kids in mind. |
| 20:56.00 | supernovia | Right. |
| 20:56.46 | supernovia | There are a few design issues like that. But still, it's a nice big place with space for the kids to be themselves |
| 20:56.49 | supernovia | the yard is enormous.. |
| 20:57.17 | supernovia | I think the unused garden area out back is by itself as big as the yard I had growing up |
| 20:57.54 | supernovia | and we have permission to make use of it if we'd like, so that should be fun ;) |
| 20:58.05 | SunSparc | Nice |
| 20:58.16 | SunSparc | Throw some tomatoes and other goodies in there |
| 20:58.24 | supernovia | Yup, there's room for quite a bit |
| 20:58.43 | supernovia | I just have to figure out what could grow from seed at this point or how to afford a few plants |
| 20:59.10 | supernovia | ya'll will hve to come check it out :) |
| 20:59.25 | SunSparc | Yeah, I will tell Mrs. SunSparc |
| 21:05.57 | supernovia | holy moly. |
| 21:06.27 | supernovia | I've got az relatives trying to convince me to go that way. looks like homes in the phoenix area are dropping under 70k :-/ |
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| 21:07.25 | supernovia | hi DexterTheDragon |
| 21:10.43 | SunSparc | supernovia: It is true, the market has gotten fairly cheap down there. Mrs. SunSparc has a sister that lives in QueenCreek and said that parts of it are like a ghost town. |
| 21:10.50 | SunSparc | All new houses. |
| 21:11.15 | supernovia | Yeah. My sis is looking at homes in that area for <40k |
| 21:11.25 | supernovia | and they're also less than five years old |
| 21:11.27 | SunSparc | Wow, that is bad. |
| 21:11.31 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 21:13.49 | mgeary_ | woo. my RAM was just delivered |
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| 21:14.11 | supernovia | congrats mgeary :-) |
| 21:14.23 | mgeary | 10 to 1 says i'll forget to bring it to work Monday morning |
| 21:14.34 | thebigdog | oh nice |
| 21:14.34 | thebigdog | about time |
| 21:18.08 | SunSparc | There you go, mgeary, just put it in your purse. |
| 21:18.23 | supernovia | :-D |
| 21:18.37 | mgeary | my purse is too full |
| 21:19.01 | SunSparc | heh |
| 21:36.53 | jsmith | mgeary: Put it in your car... |
| 21:37.14 | jsmith | mgeary: That way, your car will break down over the weekend and you'll still forget it |
| 21:37.20 | supernovia | hehe |
| 21:37.23 | mgeary | hahah |
| 21:37.25 | mgeary | seriously |
| 21:37.36 | mgeary | i need to register my car |
| 21:37.42 | mgeary | but i need to get my wipers fixed first |
| 21:37.45 | mgeary | bah |
| 22:05.04 | SunSparc | ibot, fix mgeary's wipers |
| 22:05.09 | mgeary | seriously |
| 22:05.15 | supernovia | what's wrong with them? |
| 22:05.30 | mgeary | dunno. the motor turns, but the wipers don't move |
| 22:06.18 | supernovia | hmm |
| 22:06.39 | supernovia | so it sounds like they're trying to move but they just don't? |
| 22:07.09 | supernovia | what kind of car? |
| 22:07.20 | mgeary | Mazda Protege |
| 22:08.26 | mgeary | uh, i mean a Ferrari F40 |
| 22:08.49 | supernovia | Right. |
| 22:09.03 | mgeary | heh. was thinking of the wrong car. silly me |
| 22:09.26 | fungus | Woot, my truck passed inspection yesterday. |
| 22:09.46 | supernovia | which year? some cars have a sensor that's supposed to tell when the wipers are stuck |
| 22:09.50 | supernovia | and then it won't run them |
| 22:09.55 | mgeary | '97 |
| 22:10.00 | fungus | I was worried they may think the drivers door not closing securely would be a safety violation. |
| 22:10.03 | supernovia | to avoid burning out the motor |
| 22:10.06 | fungus | Turns out, they don't care. |
| 22:10.09 | supernovia | hehe fungus |
| 22:13.38 | supernovia | well, here's some website that wants registration to display the data but it does say there was a technical service bulletin on the '97 mazda protege for problems with the wiper circuit. |
| 22:13.44 | supernovia | http://www.alldata.com/TSB/33/97333267.html |
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| 22:18.37 | mindjuju | ~apb herlo |
| 22:19.08 | DexterTheDragon | he's flying |
| 22:19.16 | mindjuju | like on LSD? |
| 22:19.29 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:19.37 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8rtjo/programming_on_lsd/ |
| 22:19.42 | mgeary | supernovia: very interesting. thanks |
| 22:19.45 | supernovia | np |
| 22:20.18 | mindjuju | DtD, that's awesome |
| 22:20.40 | mindjuju | dexterthedragon, are you on FB? |
| 22:21.15 | DexterTheDragon | nope |
| 22:21.47 | supernovia | oh yeah - how were we supposed to reserve our facebook usernames? |
| 22:21.53 | supernovia | that's today isn't it? or is it tomorrow? |
| 22:21.58 | mindjuju | its tonight |
| 22:22.04 | supernovia | ah. |
| 22:22.04 | mindjuju | don't know about reserving though |
| 22:22.13 | mindjuju | THOUGH! |
| 22:22.20 | mindjuju | it's 10p our time, midnight Eastern |
| 22:22.21 | supernovia | well, not so much reserving but getting it before someone else does |
| 22:22.22 | mindjuju | so remember that |
| 22:23.19 | mindjuju | i'm not to worried, mine is unique ( i made it up), i have a long history of using it, and my business uses the name |
| 22:23.46 | mindjuju | i'm going to make a fake account though and register dexterthedragon, mgeary and macnewbold |
| 22:23.50 | mindjuju | make a quick buck |
| 22:24.09 | mgeary | knock yerself out |
| 22:24.17 | beandog | mindjuju, Ill give you $20 if you do my dishes |
| 22:24.31 | supernovia | I made mine up too and have used it for a long time |
| 22:24.40 | supernovia | but apparently other people got clever too :-p |
| 22:24.49 | mindjuju | beandog, what is the volume of dishes |
| 22:24.55 | beandog | mindjuju, not much |
| 22:24.58 | mindjuju | 2ft x 3ft x 1 ft? |
| 22:25.02 | beandog | I just hate doing em. |
| 22:25.10 | supernovia | cascade complete. |
| 22:25.14 | beandog | ive started buying plastic cups |
| 22:25.20 | beandog | Im a step away from paper plates. |
| 22:25.39 | DexterTheDragon | ~dishwasher++ |
| 22:25.49 | mgeary | ~dishwasher++ |
| 22:25.49 | beandog | I cant get one in my apt., sadly |
| 22:25.51 | beandog | :( |
| 22:25.54 | supernovia | but hey, my kids get to learn the value of work now :) |
| 22:26.14 | beandog | supernovia, you mean you get to learn the value of kids ;) |
| 22:26.21 | supernovia | hehe |
| 22:26.42 | supernovia | ah they're good for lots of things :) laughing especially :) |
| 22:28.26 | mindjuju | DtD, where be mrkrow? |
| 22:35.45 | herlo | mindjuju: pong again!!! |
| 22:35.57 | herlo | on a plane to atl |
| 22:36.49 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: tag your it |
| 23:04.09 | SunSparc | Have a great time supernovia! |
| 23:04.33 | supernovia | thanks SunSparc :-) |
| 23:04.41 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:05.19 | supernovia | have a good night, all! |
| 23:05.34 | mgeary | essay? |
| 23:07.13 | supernovia | yeah... |
| 23:07.20 | thebigdog | night all |
| 23:07.24 | supernovia | I'm getting an edjukashun. |
| 23:07.36 | supernovia | finally. |
| 23:07.38 | supernovia | :) |
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| 23:25.55 | macnewbold | aha |
| 23:26.00 | macnewbold | mindjuju... I should have known. |
| 23:26.02 | macnewbold | ~lart mindjuju |
| 23:26.02 | ibot | decapitates mindjuju conan the destroyer style |
| 23:34.49 | itimber | hey |
| 23:35.01 | itimber | anyone have an established account on Wikipedia?? |
| 23:42.47 | itimber | k, I'm out... later guys |
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