| 00:27.48 | mindjuju | wps you around? |
| 00:55.03 | mindjuju | David Carradine dead? Crap! |
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| 03:20.30 | herlo | http://www.leenks.com/link120168.html |
| 03:20.33 | herlo | the power of computers |
| 04:20.40 | wps | am now, mindjuju |
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| 05:06.14 | DexterTheDragon | http://krispykreme.qm4.net/members/ViewMailing.aspx?MailingID=119731 |
| 05:17.13 | herlo | why is there no krispy kreme store in SLC |
| 05:17.49 | wps | there's one in Orem |
| 05:17.50 | wps | come on down |
| 05:18.41 | herlo | too far for a donut |
| 05:18.49 | herlo | gf works down that way... |
| 05:19.11 | herlo | could send her, but she'd only get one and eat it before she got home methinks |
| 05:19.12 | DexterTheDragon | I think dunkin donuts is doing the same thing |
| 05:19.20 | herlo | no dunkin donuts in Utah |
| 05:19.27 | DexterTheDragon | then nevermind |
| 05:20.33 | herlo | I know right? |
| 05:21.19 | DexterTheDragon | we're getting screwed on donuts |
| 05:53.11 | macnewbold | ~yow |
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| 15:23.22 | brasto | I sent a question to sllug, but if the response is as big over the weekend as it is today, I think I'll be sending it to uphpu, though it's not a web-based software question, it's a linux-based software question. |
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| 15:38.49 | mgeary | ~yow |
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| 15:39.43 | DexterTheDragon | we'll get there when we get there! |
| 15:40.34 | DexterTheDragon | ~friday |
| 15:40.35 | ibot | ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
| 15:43.59 | utahcon | 0.69 hours till I am paid 1.5x my hourly wages :D |
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| 15:46.50 | herlo | utahcon: you see my q last night? |
| 15:49.02 | utahcon | uh.. nope. |
| 15:49.40 | herlo | utahcon: wanna go golfing on Sunday?? |
| 15:50.12 | utahcon | I would love too, but I won't be in town on Sunday |
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| 15:57.04 | itimber | sup guys |
| 15:57.16 | utahcon | word |
| 15:57.29 | herlo | utahcon: where ya gonna be ?? |
| 15:57.56 | utahcon | All over. I have to go to Perry, Tooele, Provo, Park City. |
| 15:58.22 | herlo | fun |
| 15:58.27 | herlo | family stuffs ?? |
| 15:58.31 | utahcon | yes |
| 15:58.42 | herlo | sounds like it will be nice |
| 15:58.51 | utahcon | I might get lucky and convince the wife to go to the cabin instead :D |
| 15:58.53 | herlo | even if yo uhave to drive to kingdom come and back |
| 16:00.09 | utahcon | I am more hoping for a do nothing weekend, but it isn't going to happen either way. |
| 16:06.07 | wps | I'm coordinating a group buy on high-capacity water storage. Let me know if you're interested. |
| 16:06.08 | wps | http://www.utahpreppers.com/2009/06/group-buy-on-high-capacity-water-storage/ |
| 16:10.05 | wps | awesome |
| 16:10.18 | utahcon | nice |
| 16:10.21 | wps | I'm installing a 500 gal propane tank in my back yard |
| 16:10.29 | utahcon | scary |
| 16:10.37 | mgeary | course, i'd want to filter any water before i drank it |
| 16:10.45 | mgeary | but filtered water is better than no water |
| 16:11.54 | wps | my ideal water solution would be a 500 gal underground tank that its between me and the city line |
| 16:12.02 | wps | that way it's always fresh |
| 16:12.18 | mgeary | yeah, but you'd have a problem with water pressure, i'd think |
| 16:12.38 | mgeary | maybe not, i dunno |
| 16:12.50 | wps | good question |
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| 16:25.15 | _psychic_ | olds: you see the usmnt v. crc match? |
| 16:25.22 | josephscott_ | that surewater tank looks interesting |
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| 16:25.39 | orsonj | just install a pump like the people who are on well water. (disadvantage being you need electricity for water pressure) |
| 16:31.04 | mgeary | yes, but electricity is much easier to generate locally |
| 16:37.49 | orsonj | right, a single charge off a car battery would probably pump enough water for a day or two |
| 16:44.15 | mindjuju | wps, when are ya'll closing the ordering? |
| 16:44.29 | mindjuju | oh, and who won that one contect, i cant' find my URL for the vote place |
| 16:45.33 | mgeary | hey, yeah. did your mom get the storage system? |
| 16:47.18 | mgeary | ~apb wps |
| 16:47.19 | ibot | ACTION calls Leland to find wps |
| 16:47.36 | mindjuju | looky what i found mgeary - http://www.techradar.com/news/software/applications/10-really-useful-menu-bar-extras-for-mac-os-x-605507 |
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| 16:49.03 | mgeary | meh. on that list, the only one i use is Butler, which is awesome. The others all seem... meh |
| 16:51.57 | orsonj | Apparently you could pump 2000 gallons over 4 days at 10psi with a single car battery. |
| 16:52.19 | DexterTheDragon | ~ie-- |
| 16:53.51 | mindjuju | i'm hungry |
| 16:54.02 | utahcon | mindjuju: you too? |
| 16:54.06 | mindjuju | i have pork spare ribs marinating |
| 16:54.12 | utahcon | you are mean |
| 16:54.14 | utahcon | I was hungry |
| 16:54.16 | utahcon | now I am starving |
| 16:54.18 | mindjuju | they'll be all ready by 2 or so |
| 16:54.23 | mindjuju | i'm bailing out early today |
| 16:54.26 | mgeary | ~lunch at mindjuju's |
| 16:54.27 | mindjuju | prolly 2 |
| 16:54.37 | mindjuju | mgeary, bring it! |
| 16:54.42 | mindjuju | i got me a killer grill |
| 16:54.52 | mindjuju | i could roast up some awesome eats FAST! |
| 16:58.19 | utahcon | anyone know the CLI command to show indexes in mysql? |
| 16:58.38 | wps | yes, mgeary, she won |
| 16:58.43 | utahcon | show index... duh |
| 16:58.43 | mgeary | wps: sweet |
| 16:59.52 | mindjuju | congrats wps's mom |
| 17:00.05 | mindjuju | wps, when is the last day for the water tanks order |
| 17:00.18 | wps | 20 june |
| 17:00.31 | wps | anyone know where I could find a metal barrel? |
| 17:00.53 | mindjuju | you mean like a steel drum? |
| 17:00.59 | wps | yes, a steel drum |
| 17:01.00 | mindjuju | 55 gal |
| 17:01.10 | mindjuju | seems like |
| 17:01.11 | mindjuju | hmmm |
| 17:01.29 | mindjuju | does it have to be metal, not plastic? |
| 17:01.49 | wps | plastic would be great, but it would have to be rather thick (strong) |
| 17:01.53 | mindjuju | i hear the coke distribution near where i work give the syrup barrels out for free |
| 17:01.54 | fungus | eh, I just buy cases of bottles and store them in the garage. |
| 17:01.55 | wps | I'm going to be using it on it's side |
| 17:02.23 | _psychic_ | some bottles will decay or leak chemicals into the water |
| 17:02.42 | wps | walmart has the blue 55 gal. water barrels for $40â¦Â and that is the right size/shape, but I don't think it's strong enough to be turned on it's side and hold dirt, just syspended by the edges |
| 17:02.44 | fungus | If the bottles decay, I'll buy another case to replace it |
| 17:03.01 | mindjuju | _psychic_ i hear it goes the other way too |
| 17:03.19 | mindjuju | that chemicals in concret and be absorbed by the plastic and go into the water |
| 17:03.26 | _psychic_ | fungus: after you cleanup the mess :) |
| 17:03.27 | mindjuju | i think it was for 2 liter containers |
| 17:03.29 | fungus | isn't rotation a normal part of any food storage |
| 17:04.05 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: yeah that's why people put em up on blocks |
| 17:04.06 | unum | it should be |
| 17:04.24 | wps | I'm actually pretty sure that that's a wife's tale, mindjuju |
| 17:04.34 | _psychic_ | I'd just rather pitch in an extra bit of cash to avoid redoing all the carpet in my basement |
| 17:04.53 | wps | putting it straight on concrete is bad insofar as fluctuation of temperature, but it doesn't make the water bad |
| 17:05.49 | mindjuju | could be, not sure |
| 17:06.10 | mindjuju | i like that container you found for the storage capacity and footprint |
| 17:06.30 | mindjuju | would love to have my water split in permanent and movable formats |
| 17:07.07 | _psychic_ | I want to put some tanks inbetween the inlet on my house and the water heater, etc. |
| 17:07.23 | _psychic_ | that way, it rotates itself :/ |
| 17:07.33 | mindjuju | i've thought of doing that |
| 17:07.49 | _psychic_ | not sure what the implications are |
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| 17:07.59 | mindjuju | and have the space for it, water heater / furnance in a big room where i could prolly store at least 1 tank |
| 17:08.08 | mindjuju | _psychic_ there is one problem though |
| 17:08.29 | mindjuju | haven't been able to figure out, if the water is coming through the line, that fresh |
| 17:08.46 | mindjuju | what if contaiminent comes through before you can shut it off? |
| 17:09.05 | mindjuju | wasn't too long ago that mapleton had a boil order |
| 17:09.11 | _psychic_ | maybe just have purifying methods on hand? |
| 17:09.21 | mindjuju | if that water came into your supply, you'd have to filter the whole thing |
| 17:09.22 | _psychic_ | I think having bad water is better than having no water at least |
| 17:09.39 | mindjuju | yes, that's true, but not quite the same thine |
| 17:09.44 | _psychic_ | yeah it's a good point, for sure |
| 17:09.55 | mindjuju | its not a question of water or no water, its more of, do i want to tap into a fresh line or not |
| 17:09.59 | mindjuju | and have my water circulated |
| 17:10.23 | mindjuju | my solution is that you just go down on saturday and cycle water thorough the system |
| 17:10.35 | mindjuju | reduces the chance of contaiminantion |
| 17:10.37 | _psychic_ | or maybe you have a switch valve |
| 17:10.40 | mindjuju | yup |
| 17:10.41 | _psychic_ | so you go down and cycle for a day or two |
| 17:10.49 | _psychic_ | then you cut it off and bypass it for a while |
| 17:10.53 | mindjuju | exactly |
| 17:11.21 | orsonj | Actually, that is exactly how the old water heater in my basement is setup |
| 17:11.23 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:11.37 | _psychic_ | that only gives you 40g or so, right? |
| 17:11.52 | _psychic_ | orsonj: ^ |
| 17:11.55 | orsonj | you can cutof the flow to and from the water heater, then turn on flow bypasing it. |
| 17:12.10 | orsonj | well, currently there is no water heater installed |
| 17:12.14 | mindjuju | the only bad thing about water heaters is the sediment at the bottom |
| 17:12.26 | mindjuju | but, better than nothing |
| 17:12.33 | orsonj | but the configuration is as described, so prior art on the patent |
| 17:12.40 | _psychic_ | hehe |
| 17:12.41 | mindjuju | ah! |
| 17:13.18 | orsonj | he was the one that set it up 20+ years ago |
| 17:13.33 | _psychic_ | yeah I want to do it, but probably not with old water heaters |
| 17:13.46 | orsonj | no, I wouldn't use an old water heater either |
| 17:13.54 | mindjuju | actually, i already checked _psychic_ |
| 17:14.00 | mindjuju | i think it will work with wps's tanks |
| 17:14.23 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 17:14.25 | orsonj | The water heating system in my house actually uses an external insulated water storage tank. |
| 17:14.33 | orsonj | Water is heated, then pumped into the storage tank |
| 17:14.57 | mindjuju | 10:06:04 AM) wps: http://www.utahpreppers.com/2009/06/group-buy-on-high-capacity-water-storage/ |
| 17:15.05 | _psychic_ | oh right |
| 17:15.24 | mindjuju | i like it for its small footprint, but for the price, a pretty penny |
| 17:15.34 | _psychic_ | connor is a friend of mine |
| 17:16.01 | mindjuju | met him at the last preppers meeting |
| 17:16.38 | orsonj | The only issue with switching from city water to stored water would be pressurizing the stored water when city is cutof. Also you would have to let air in the tank to displace lost volume. |
| 17:17.44 | mindjuju | that tank uses gravity for pressure and does have airflow on the top |
| 17:17.55 | mindjuju | and fills from the bottom |
| 17:18.58 | orsonj | Well, if you have it connected to house water for easy cycling... |
| 17:19.24 | orsonj | I'd expect it to be sealed in that situation, but I guess a floating stop valve would fix the issue. |
| 17:21.07 | utahcon | mindjuju: still got the link to your grill pic? |
| 17:21.44 | mindjuju | i think it's on facebook still, uno momento por favor |
| 17:22.36 | orsonj | side comment, I want to try this: http://veganicecream.blogspot.com/2006/09/pudding-ice-cream.html |
| 17:22.49 | orsonj | (make pudding, then put it in an ice cream maker) |
| 17:24.15 | mindjuju | utahcon - see if this link works |
| 17:24.15 | mindjuju | http://www.facebook.com/home.php?filter=app_2305272732#/album.php?aid=82569&id=741364607 |
| 17:24.22 | utahcon | thank bro |
| 17:24.32 | utahcon | friend wants to know the sticker price? |
| 17:24.33 | mindjuju | you asking for one for father's day? |
| 17:24.39 | mindjuju | $399 |
| 17:24.55 | mindjuju | though do be warned, it takes 2 count them two gas cylinders |
| 17:25.12 | mindjuju | and it gots nuclear fusion hot |
| 17:25.49 | mindjuju | if you look at this pic |
| 17:25.50 | mindjuju | http://www.facebook.com/home.php?filter=app_2305272732#/photo.php?pid=1764522&id=741364607 |
| 17:25.53 | mindjuju | you'll see the latch |
| 17:25.57 | mindjuju | the whole top comes off |
| 17:26.02 | mindjuju | and the legs fold down |
| 17:26.07 | mindjuju | it transports like a champ |
| 17:26.20 | mindjuju | that's why herlo wants it at the geeks in the sun event |
| 17:27.47 | herlo | you have to login to facebook to see stuff!! |
| 17:27.51 | herlo | stoopid! |
| 17:28.10 | mindjuju | and |
| 17:28.15 | mindjuju | you're on face book |
| 17:28.26 | mindjuju | oh, i got it |
| 17:28.29 | mindjuju | uh |
| 17:28.32 | mindjuju | hang on quick sec |
| 17:29.53 | mindjuju | try this link herlo |
| 17:29.54 | mindjuju | http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=82569&l=cbd3d7c434&id=741364607 |
| 17:29.59 | mindjuju | see if that is any better |
| 17:30.33 | herlo | mindjuju: I logged in :) |
| 17:31.03 | mindjuju | ah |
| 17:31.05 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:31.16 | mindjuju | though you know, that grill is WAY too much gun for that bbq |
| 17:31.34 | mindjuju | fiddy burgers won't even use up all the surface space |
| 17:32.08 | herlo | mindjuju: that's just what UTOS is bringing :) |
| 17:32.09 | mindjuju | the grill would just be getting hot when i'd have to start puling her back and shutting it down |
| 17:32.44 | mindjuju | well, i'll only do it if we can get a swanky UTOS magentic thingy for it |
| 17:32.54 | mindjuju | fire proof, of course |
| 17:33.00 | stderr | herlo: working with Ben Preston now? |
| 17:33.56 | stderr | (veruus) |
| 17:34.39 | herlo | stderr: yep |
| 17:34.44 | herlo | nice guy |
| 17:34.55 | stderr | yea he is. |
| 17:35.16 | herlo | we have been working on a few things together already. Pretty sharp too |
| 17:35.40 | thebigdog | mindjuju: that grill rocks |
| 17:35.52 | mindjuju | yeah it does |
| 17:35.52 | thebigdog | i am thinking of getting a smoker |
| 17:36.00 | mindjuju | which one? |
| 17:36.10 | thebigdog | one i can pull with my truck |
| 17:36.11 | mindjuju | i need one to complete my outdoor kitchen |
| 17:36.28 | stderr | herlo: yar |
| 17:36.29 | mindjuju | i have a small pit with a cover, the event grill, and now need a GOOD smoker |
| 17:37.48 | herlo | stderr: kk |
| 17:38.06 | thebigdog | http://www.bbquepits.com/images/PORTABLE-TRAILER-BBQ-SMOKERS/TS36_portable_bbq_smokers/36_portable_bbq_smoker_front1.jpg |
| 17:38.13 | thebigdog | they are really expensive |
| 17:38.32 | thebigdog | i htink that one is like 11K |
| 17:39.05 | thebigdog | i might have to find on that is used somewhere |
| 17:39.20 | fungus | My outdoor kitchen is already complete. I have a 12v microwave |
| 17:39.34 | thebigdog | hehe nice fungus |
| 17:40.03 | mindjuju | thebigdog, that smoker is AWESOME! |
| 17:40.16 | mindjuju | a man could do GREAT things with a thing like that |
| 17:40.18 | thebigdog | or start off with this one - http://www.bbquepits.com/backyard_bbq_pits.htm |
| 17:40.27 | thebigdog | mindjuju: oh yeah you can |
| 17:40.56 | thebigdog | with that big one you could even peddle your services to others |
| 17:41.54 | thebigdog | like you could hit events and just sell pulled pork and make a killing |
| 17:42.26 | mindjuju | here, this is the one you want |
| 17:42.26 | mindjuju | http://www.bbquepits.com/images/backyard_BBQ_smokers/BBQ_smokers_AA/BBQ_smoker_AAS20X80/BBQ_SMOKER_12.JPG |
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| 18:14.35 | utahcon | let the nom nom begin!~ |
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| 18:21.08 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 18:21.15 | thebigdog | mindjuju: that would be so fun to have |
| 18:21.25 | thebigdog | i have always wanted to have a neighborhood bbq |
| 18:21.31 | thebigdog | that would be awesome for it |
| 18:22.04 | thebigdog | for all you pandora listeners check this out - http://listen.grooveshark.com/ |
| 18:22.15 | utahcon | nom nom is now over :( |
| 18:22.17 | thebigdog | might have shared that before cant remember |
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| 19:29.17 | beandog | http://consumerist.com/5279551/zappos-customer-service-is-pleasant-and-effective-in-the-third-person |
| 19:46.13 | DexterTheDragon | ~rlart |
| 19:46.14 | ibot | decapitates carmony conan the destroyer style |
| 19:51.31 | mindjuju | dag |
| 19:51.54 | mindjuju | dexterthedragon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzO1mCAVyMw |
| 19:52.08 | mindjuju | must be seen at least 1 a year |
| 19:53.30 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: I love that |
| 19:54.00 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:55.30 | utahcon | DexterTheDragon: loves mens rooms? |
| 19:56.47 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: http://games.download3000.com/play/the-urinal-game |
| 20:00.20 | beandog | oh, my. |
| 20:00.30 | mindjuju | what? |
| 20:04.06 | mindjuju | ~apb herlo |
| 20:04.07 | ibot | ACTION hires Dog the Bounty Hunter to spray mace at herlo |
| 20:11.54 | *** part/#uphpu mindjuju (n=mindjuju@76.8.222.130) |
| 20:18.25 | herlo | no mindjuju?? |
| 20:28.37 | thebigdog | ok you mac users question |
| 20:28.56 | thebigdog | what are you guys using for ogg files...like a gui player? |
| 20:34.28 | *** join/#uphpu mindjuju (n=mindjuju@76.8.222.130) |
| 20:34.28 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o mindjuju] by ChanServ |
| 20:38.00 | orsonj | ~ie-- |
| 20:38.13 | mgeary_ | thebigdog: i don't |
| 20:38.17 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v mgeary] by ChanServ |
| 20:38.35 | thebigdog | man i wish itunes support ogg |
| 20:38.46 | mgeary | well |
| 20:38.47 | mgeary | you can |
| 20:38.52 | mgeary | http://www.vorbis.com/setup_osx/ |
| 20:38.55 | orsonj | well, vlc has a mac version listed on their website |
| 20:39.05 | mgeary | "Ogg Drop will encode audio tracks and CD's into vorbis. It also contains a QuickTime component that allows iTunes to play ogg vorbis files. Ogg Drop is entirely free" |
| 20:39.18 | DexterTheDragon | thebigdog: http://www.xiph.org/quicktime/download.html |
| 20:39.31 | thebigdog | oh yeah that is what i need |
| 20:40.47 | mindjuju | ~apb herlo |
| 20:40.48 | ibot | ACTION calls Dog the Bounty Hunter to find herlo |
| 20:42.37 | thebigdog | lets see if that works out |
| 20:48.57 | herlo | mindjuju: where'd you go the first time :) |
| 20:49.08 | mindjuju | system reboot |
| 20:49.13 | mindjuju | you free tonight? |
| 20:49.15 | herlo | orly? |
| 20:49.17 | herlo | mindjuju: no |
| 20:49.28 | herlo | mindjuju: Jennifer's B-Day party tonight |
| 20:49.36 | mindjuju | ah |
| 20:49.42 | herlo | sorry |
| 20:49.47 | mindjuju | no worries |
| 20:51.28 | stderr | man Scribblenauts sounds so cool. |
| 20:51.56 | mindjuju | stderr, es techno? |
| 20:54.46 | thebigdog | i need to get that for my kiddies |
| 20:55.32 | thebigdog | the video for it is great |
| 20:55.35 | thebigdog | with the policeman |
| 20:56.18 | stderr | mindjuju: it's a DS game. |
| 20:56.23 | stderr | looks fantastic |
| 20:56.35 | stderr | http://www.offworld.com/2009/06/e309-scribblenauts-ds-settles.html |
| 20:59.37 | thebigdog | totally teaches kids |
| 21:01.20 | mindjuju | looks pretty cool! |
| 21:01.35 | mindjuju | has anybody tried port knocking with pfsense? |
| 21:02.07 | thebigdog | what is your ip address and ill port knock it |
| 21:02.08 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 21:02.23 | fungus | ~knockknock |
| 21:02.27 | fungus | ~knock knock |
| 21:02.28 | ibot | who's there, my arse, my arse who, erm.. can't remember the rest |
| 21:02.50 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:03.22 | stderr | mindjuju: no but I've done portknocking in iptables and ipf. |
| 21:03.25 | thebigdog | mindjuju: you can |
| 21:03.30 | thebigdog | you just have to have kde installed |
| 21:03.37 | thebigdog | or qt |
| 21:03.54 | mindjuju | stderr - i still remember your preso from several years ago |
| 21:04.04 | mindjuju | truthfully, that how i even know it existed |
| 21:04.32 | mindjuju | i have a pfsense firewall, was starting to google to see what up |
| 21:04.39 | stderr | ahhh, very cool. |
| 21:04.58 | mindjuju | es prolly not a good idea to just port forward to the server, if i'm doing remoting, huh? |
| 21:05.13 | mindjuju | ! |
| 21:05.19 | mindjuju | seems like i remember pfsense doing vpn |
| 21:05.27 | mindjuju | maybe i should look that up |
| 21:05.36 | fungus | mindjuju: if you limit it to known good source addresses it's not that bad. |
| 21:05.50 | fungus | eg. only your home and work can access it. |
| 21:06.27 | mindjuju | going on vacation with my laptop |
| 21:06.34 | mindjuju | hotel has wifi, but don't know the IP |
| 21:06.58 | fungus | yeah, look into vpn. safer anyway |
| 21:07.31 | fungus | or lock down ssh to RSA keys only |
| 21:07.38 | fungus | or both. :) |
| 21:09.38 | fungus | turn off password authentication for ssh |
| 21:09.48 | fungus | so you have to use keys |
| 21:10.02 | orsonj | just buy a botnet and setup a script that tells the botnet to take down any host that misses the password more than three times. |
| 21:10.30 | stderr | or pay me a retainer. |
| 21:11.23 | orsonj | If you get a service call while on vacation, type in your password wrong three times, then call back saying the internet doesn't seem to be working. |
| 21:15.21 | mindjuju | so i'm doing some quick research on vpns |
| 21:15.30 | mindjuju | i have a couple choices, ipsec, openvpn |
| 21:15.35 | mindjuju | i'm reading an article right now |
| 21:15.52 | mindjuju | says openvpn offers ipsec security, but with simplicty |
| 21:15.59 | mindjuju | sounds groovy, but is it? |
| 21:16.59 | jsmith-teaching | It works well for me |
| 21:17.06 | jsmith-teaching | (or, well enough) |
| 21:17.13 | jsmith-teaching | Has clients for windows, mac, and Linux |
| 21:17.37 | mindjuju | i remember seeing it once when trying to setup sonic firewall on linux (which was a huge time sink, and no worky) |
| 21:21.28 | jsmith-teaching | I don't pretend to know anything about setting up OpenVPN, but I use it almost every day :-) |
| 21:22.59 | orsonj | cryptolink is some pretty nice vaporware, windows only though |
| 21:28.06 | fungus | mindjuju: http://files.pfsense.org/mirror/tutorials/openvpn/pfsense-ovpn.pdf |
| 21:28.52 | mindjuju | yeah fungus! |
| 21:29.06 | mindjuju | i was just looking at the screen for the openvpn |
| 21:29.10 | mindjuju | and starting to google terms |
| 21:29.31 | mindjuju | i promise to still google unknown term |
| 21:29.33 | mindjuju | s |
| 21:29.48 | fungus | http://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/VPN_Capability_Overview |
| 21:29.50 | orsonj | hmmm, someone has visio |
| 21:30.16 | mindjuju | visio 2k7 |
| 21:30.17 | fungus | http://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/VPN_Capability_OpenVPN |
| 21:32.08 | fungus | pfsense is really cool. It's flexible enough to do advanced stuff without having to do everything yourself, but keeps the simple stuff simple. |
| 21:39.27 | beandog | hey |
| 21:39.30 | beandog | today is national donut day |
| 21:39.34 | jsmith | It is? |
| 21:39.35 | beandog | you have to buy me a donut. |
| 21:39.51 | beandog | http://www.neatorama.com/2009/06/05/national-doughnut-day/ |
| 21:39.53 | jsmith | I have yet to see a donut here |
| 21:40.00 | herlo | mindjuju: openvpn!! |
| 21:40.31 | herlo | it's da bomb |
| 21:40.40 | herlo | set it up at my last place of business |
| 21:40.55 | herlo | jsmith: krispy kremes is giving them away today |
| 21:41.03 | herlo | s/mes/me/ |
| 21:41.04 | Heartsbane | if it is security you have in mind: openvpn |
| 21:41.37 | herlo | hope not |
| 21:41.39 | jsmith | herlo: Sure... now you're just taunting me :-( |
| 21:42.17 | macnewbold | ~lart Heartsbane |
| 21:42.17 | ibot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking Heartsbane's head off |
| 21:42.19 | *** join/#uphpu orsonj (n=orson@b22222.bookstore.usu.edu) |
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| 21:42.39 | herlo | jsmith: http://investor.krispykreme.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=386396 |
| 21:43.01 | herlo | http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2009/06/01/daily64.html |
| 21:43.03 | herlo | etc |
| 21:43.47 | macnewbold | so herlo, how hard is openvpn to get set up and going? |
| 21:44.13 | macnewbold | what clients do you usually use from the various operating systems? |
| 21:44.29 | herlo | macnewbold: about an hour |
| 21:44.46 | herlo | macnewbold: from mac, there's TunnelBlick, Windows has it's own openvpn client |
| 21:45.10 | herlo | jsmith uses a different mac one |
| 21:45.13 | macnewbold | what does it need from the router/firewall? just a port that goes through? |
| 21:45.20 | herlo | yeah, and certs |
| 21:45.24 | macnewbold | right |
| 21:45.30 | macnewbold | self signed certs work fine, right? |
| 21:45.34 | herlo | and the openvpn program |
| 21:45.40 | herlo | ssl certs are the way I did it |
| 21:45.54 | herlo | and I created my own CA |
| 21:45.58 | macnewbold | is there any non-trivial setup that the clients need? do they authenticate with un/pw usually? |
| 21:46.07 | herlo | it's fairly non trivial |
| 21:46.20 | herlo | they need their own cert and the ca cert plus the host configs |
| 21:46.35 | herlo | usually the firewall (or similar) and a particular port |
| 21:46.58 | macnewbold | ah, okay |
| 21:47.00 | fungus | You can use OpenVPN with shared passwords if you don't want to hassle with SSL certs too |
| 21:47.18 | macnewbold | yeah, for our guys that would probably work better |
| 21:47.25 | macnewbold | half of them are linux geeks who could handle certs fine, |
| 21:47.33 | herlo | fungus: cool, didn't know that |
| 21:47.46 | herlo | certs are easy |
| 21:47.50 | fungus | But certs are easy |
| 21:47.52 | fungus | hehe |
| 21:47.53 | macnewbold | but our front-end coders who are more on the design-ish side would want something easy on their mac osx laptops |
| 21:47.54 | herlo | but either way |
| 21:48.09 | fungus | and certs are more secure, and revokable. |
| 21:48.24 | fungus | with a shared secret, you have to change it in order to revoke one person |
| 21:48.39 | fungus | change it everywhere, big hassle |
| 21:49.37 | fungus | The client setup with certs is very easy. |
| 21:50.29 | fungus | IPSec VPN setup is a nightmare in comparison to any possible OpenVPN configuration. |
| 21:50.39 | fungus | nightmare for both client and server |
| 22:26.01 | itimber | hey all: |
| 22:26.46 | itimber | one of my all-time best friends is a Network Sys Admin |
| 22:27.13 | itimber | he's honest, hard working and he has a great attitude |
| 22:27.24 | itimber | and his company was just bought out |
| 22:27.37 | itimber | and they consolidated IT |
| 22:27.41 | itimber | and he's out |
| 22:28.12 | itimber | so, if anyone is looking for a good guy, hit me up and I'll pass along his resume and references |
| 22:29.47 | itimber | I could pass along a stack of people that I know that would talk him up too.... not just the ones that wrote letters of recommend for him |
| 22:30.32 | itimber | who all owns businesses here? macnewbold, mgeary, who else?? |
| 22:30.52 | mgeary | thebigdog |
| 22:30.57 | unum | technically I own one. but noone works for me |
| 22:31.03 | unum | I average $120/year |
| 22:31.23 | itimber | $120/yr.... you're hired |
| 22:31.28 | itimber | what do you do? |
| 22:31.29 | itimber | LOL |
| 22:31.39 | mgeary | dude, i'll pay double that |
| 22:31.48 | itimber | you mean $120/hr?? |
| 22:31.50 | beandog | Ill pay half, but free donuts |
| 22:32.03 | itimber | no guys.... I spoke first |
| 22:32.30 | itimber | even if all he does is get me coffee in the AM, I got a deal |
| 22:32.32 | itimber | LOL |
| 22:32.41 | mgeary | of course, this is unum we're talking about... |
| 22:33.32 | unum | that's for hosting one site that is already completly set up |
| 22:33.40 | unum | it would take more work to take it down than it does to run it :) |
| 22:33.53 | unum | actually that's not true. I have to update the ssl cert |
| 22:35.29 | itimber | k, well.... if anyone is looking for a sys admin, or knows of a position avail, please let me know |
| 22:35.47 | unum | I recently realized how much I hate programming. my manager told me her brother needed someone to work on his php based site. I told her $100/hour. when she said she might take me up on that. I told her she could email the list |
| 22:36.22 | mgeary | hahaha |
| 22:38.18 | itimber | also.... since we're on public announcements, I am thinking of getting a new MBP, and would sell my current MBP: 2.33Ghz, 160GB HD, 2GB Ram, etc |
| 22:38.18 | itimber | if anyone is interested |
| 22:38.18 | itimber | :-) |
| 22:38.18 | beandog | mbp? |
| 22:38.18 | itimber | okay, I'm done |
| 22:38.18 | itimber | ya..... MacBook Pro |
| 22:38.19 | beandog | oh, meh |
| 22:38.19 | beandog | I thought it was something valuable. |
| 22:38.19 | itimber | psh |
| 22:38.22 | itimber | .|.. |
| 22:38.30 | itimber | ~flip beandog |
| 22:38.31 | ibot | ACTION gives beandog the .|.. ..|. |
| 22:38.34 | beandog | itimber is ready to make donuts! |
| 22:38.40 | itimber | LOL... is still in there |
| 22:39.14 | itimber | lol... yes, I'm all about popping out the donut holes |
| 22:39.24 | beandog | hee hee |
| 22:39.40 | beandog | so people are dumping the clients and hardware they dont want on us |
| 22:39.43 | beandog | stay classy, #uphpu |
| 22:39.45 | beandog | :) |
| 22:40.00 | itimber | fo sho |
| 22:40.37 | _psychic_ | you might wanna wait to get new hardware for a few weeks |
| 22:40.39 | _psychic_ | if'n it's Apple stuff. |
| 22:41.18 | mgeary | s/Mac/super sweet, 8-core monster Mac/ |
| 22:45.08 | stderr | mgeary: aw yea. the Mac Pro is the penultimate in Mac technology AND home defense |
| 22:45.15 | stderr | (try hitting someone over the head with one of these things) |
| 22:45.18 | stderr | (if you can lift it) |
| 22:45.20 | mgeary | seriously |
| 22:47.47 | fungus | my iMac strains when I try to play 2 instances of WoW and watch a DVD at the same time. |
| 22:50.48 | thebigdog | fungus: that is awesome to hear though |
| 22:53.36 | herlo | why 2 instances of WoW, isn't 0 enough?? |
| 22:53.42 | itimber | LMAO |
| 22:53.43 | herlo | and 1 is too many |
| 22:53.45 | beandog | lol |
| 22:53.46 | itimber | fo sho |
| 22:54.14 | itimber | so, why wait on Mac hardware? you have an inside scoop? |
| 22:54.20 | stderr | psh, say that to my Death Knight! |
| 23:00.19 | herlo | stderr: anytime, I don't worry about virtual death |
| 23:00.41 | herlo | but then again, I won't because I have 0 instances of WoW. Just the right amount |
| 23:01.59 | _psychic_ | didja see the cinematic trailer? |
| 23:02.59 | beandog | no |
| 23:03.14 | beandog | http://consumerist.com/5280564/would-you-buy-an-iphone-that-fell-in-urine |
| 23:03.15 | beandog | nasty |
| 23:09.56 | stderr | the KOTOR one *rubs hands together* |
| 23:10.07 | stderr | Bioware++ |
| 23:10.11 | beandog | :D |
| 23:10.12 | beandog | sewiously. |
| 23:10.21 | beandog | I wish they would have put out 8 more sequels |
| 23:10.24 | beandog | but I guess this'll do |
| 23:10.27 | stderr | no kidding. |
| 23:10.33 | stderr | did you play Mass Effect? |
| 23:10.43 | beandog | stderr, nope |
| 23:10.48 | stderr | it was pretty dang good too. |
| 23:10.56 | beandog | mm, now I wanna play NWN all weekend. |
| 23:11.18 | stderr | they managed to merge KOTOR style gameplay with FPS action in one elegant RPG. Pretty fantastic. |
| 23:11.28 | beandog | oh yah? |
| 23:11.31 | beandog | Isnt it console only |
| 23:11.49 | stderr | it got ported to Windows, I believe. |
| 23:11.55 | stderr | was only for the 360 for a while. |
| 23:12.03 | beandog | oh, yahp! there it is. |
| 23:12.15 | beandog | hmm, didnt get great reviews |
| 23:12.20 | beandog | oh well, screw them. its bioware! |
| 23:12.37 | stderr | Mass Effect didn't get great reviews?! |
| 23:12.41 | beandog | stderr, you ever play assassins creed |
| 23:12.42 | stderr | though it won GOTY |
| 23:12.46 | stderr | thought* |
| 23:12.48 | stderr | beandog: yea |
| 23:12.52 | beandog | whatd you think |
| 23:12.55 | stderr | it was ok |
| 23:13.03 | beandog | yah |
| 23:13.10 | stderr | I like a little more control over my character |
| 23:13.12 | beandog | It kinda bothers me that you can murder *anyone* in plain sight and just walk away |
| 23:13.28 | stderr | it was a beautiful game, that's for sure. |
| 23:14.34 | beandog | stderr, so this is part fps? |
| 23:15.05 | beandog | sure looks good |
| 23:16.16 | stderr | beandog: well, it's basically KOTOR but you actually aim your weapons - although your skill in the weapon you're using will give you progressively better autoaim |
| 23:16.31 | beandog | oh okay cool |
| 23:16.36 | stderr | if you like KOTOR you'll love Mass Effect |
| 23:16.44 | beandog | oh yah, loved KOTOR |
| 23:16.49 | stderr | (if you don't mind FPS-esque action to go along with the stellar RPG elements) |
| 23:17.02 | beandog | although I still cant quite figure out what's going on at the end of KOTOR2 |
| 23:17.09 | stderr | what with the woman? |
| 23:17.13 | beandog | yah |
| 23:17.16 | stderr | yea |
| 23:17.17 | stderr | me either hehe |
| 23:17.29 | beandog | could have used some more closing scenes |
| 23:18.17 | beandog | man what a great game, though |
| 23:18.19 | beandog | mmm |
| 23:18.44 | beandog | its fun killing the jedi masters |
| 23:18.45 | beandog | hee hee |
| 23:18.51 | beandog | or going neutral in the game |
| 23:18.54 | beandog | being totally inconsistent |
| 23:19.22 | stderr | yea, if someone mouthed off to me enough I'd just smoke them, otherwise I was pretty good most of the time |
| 23:19.45 | beandog | heh, thats awesome |
| 23:19.53 | beandog | going full on evil, you get some cool powers |
| 23:19.54 | stderr | <3 KOTOR |
| 23:20.00 | stderr | yea force lightning and such |
| 23:20.04 | beandog | you can really kick some trash in that game. |
| 23:20.16 | beandog | plus, it lets you kill about *anyone* you can talk to |
| 23:20.17 | beandog | heh |
| 23:20.23 | stderr | man I can't wait for the MMO man |
| 23:20.28 | beandog | Gonna be that way, huh, jerk? bzzzzapt! |
| 23:21.03 | beandog | stderr, you know what I do, this is probably a common trick |
| 23:21.13 | beandog | I don't level my dude until he can become a jedi |
| 23:21.25 | beandog | so I'm running around the first half of the game at like level 2 |
| 23:21.37 | beandog | but I get an extra 4-6 levels of jedi traininig |
| 23:21.57 | stderr | beandog: y'know, I mostly focused on soldierin' and tech stuff. |
| 23:22.05 | stderr | mobbin with grenades and mines and such. |
| 23:22.10 | beandog | oh yah? |
| 23:22.23 | beandog | One thing Id like to do some time is not train any jedi stuff at all. Just totally ignore it and go as a fighter. |
| 23:22.36 | beandog | but usually I like having 6 or 7 jedi in my party |
| 23:22.38 | beandog | heh |
| 23:22.47 | beandog | except for that one kid, Atton |
| 23:22.51 | beandog | he's a wuss all around. |
| 23:23.17 | stderr | haha |
| 23:23.27 | stderr | I liked the ice queen chick |
| 23:23.37 | beandog | whats the other one .... Disciple I think |
| 23:23.39 | beandog | or something |
| 23:23.43 | beandog | yah |
| 23:23.48 | beandog | man what a great game. |
| 23:24.04 | beandog | everything bioware makes is just gold. |
| 23:24.06 | *** join/#uphpu Sean__ (n=Sean@c-67-186-246-70.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:24.11 | stderr | man we're going to have to play the MMO together. |
| 23:24.17 | beandog | toties |
| 23:24.19 | beandog | whens it coming out? |
| 23:24.23 | stderr | you can be all forcin' it up, I'll soldier/tech |
| 23:24.47 | beandog | I hope it doesnt suck. |
| 23:25.25 | stderr | release date hasn't been set yet |
| 23:25.32 | stderr | aw c'mon man, faith in Bioware |
| 23:25.40 | stderr | I didn't think KOTOR 2 would be as good as the first |
| 23:25.49 | stderr | or Mass Effect would be as good as KOTOR |
| 23:26.08 | stderr | ate my shoes on those |
| 23:26.08 | beandog | as an MMO, I mean |
| 23:26.08 | beandog | I thought D&D was gonna be fun |
| 23:26.08 | beandog | it was meh. |
| 23:26.16 | beandog | man, I cant go back to KOTOR after playing #2 |
| 23:26.25 | beandog | I thought the same thing ... t heres no way they can top it |
| 23:26.31 | stderr | yup |
| 23:26.58 | stderr | I pretty much said that it was the prequel that Lucas _should've_ made |
| 23:27.05 | beandog | hmm |
| 23:27.06 | beandog | totally. |
| 23:27.09 | beandog | wow |
| 23:27.12 | stderr | it felt much more Star Wars-ish than any of the prequels |
| 23:27.12 | beandog | that would have made an awesome movie. |
| 23:28.11 | beandog | ah, well |
| 23:28.30 | beandog | stderr, did you try jade empire? |
| 23:29.58 | stderr | beandog: that's the only Bioware release I haven't played :\ |
| 23:30.07 | beandog | I tried it for PC ... it was meh |
| 23:30.13 | beandog | It would probably be nice on the console |
| 23:30.17 | beandog | er, nicer |
| 23:30.25 | beandog | it's a console game that shouldnt have been ported, really |
| 23:30.30 | stderr | ah, right on. |
| 23:30.43 | beandog | in fact, I have an xbox now, I might try it out |
| 23:33.12 | stderr | as soon as they announce a release date for the MMO, I'm building myself a Windows machine in anticipation |
| 23:33.56 | beandog | heh |
| 23:34.46 | stderr | Man I hope they have the smartass assassination droid in the MMO as an NPC |
| 23:35.04 | beandog | :) |
| 23:35.11 | beandog | it wouldnt be the same without one |
| 23:35.15 | stderr | tis true |
| 23:35.16 | beandog | meatbags |
| 23:36.03 | stderr | from the FAQ: "Will I see any characters from KOTOR?" |
| 23:36.08 | stderr | "Given that it is approximately 300 years since the events of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, many of the characters have passed away. However, their legacy does live on as many of their descendants will be part of Star Wars: The Old Republic. Some droids can last a long time as well." |
| 23:36.17 | beandog | rawk |
| 23:36.18 | beandog | :D |
| 23:36.21 | stderr | :D |
| 23:36.22 | beandog | you know what that means |
| 23:36.38 | stderr | ? |
| 23:36.45 | beandog | HK-47 |
| 23:36.51 | beandog | I think |
| 23:37.01 | stderr | was that his name? sounds right |
| 23:58.48 | *** join/#uphpu macnewbold1 (n=mac@hao.codegreene.com) |
