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00:00.15dataw0lfget a job Grouch!
00:00.21dataw0lfget it together Grouch!
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13:53.59Utah_DaveJack Bauer in real life!  http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/07/sutherland.charged/index.html
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15:17.05tristanbob_Utah_Dave, Mr. Bauer was probably just dancing, abstract, modern interpretive dance
15:18.26Utah_Davetristanbob_: something like that.
15:19.08Utah_DaveOr maybe he forgot his little kit he's supposed to be carrying around to ameliorate the effects of his exposure to that bio-weapon
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15:21.30tristanbob_yeah, like the hulk
15:23.39mgeary~yow
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16:29.39_psychic_anyone know how to get the image of the default OS X disk image icon? (dmg)
16:29.58herlohttp://wiki.mibbit.com/index.php/Widget
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17:21.02mgearyhey, how bad would to abort an alter table action that is converting a very large DB from innoDB to MyISAM? Is that conversion non-destructive until it's finished?
17:21.49herlomgeary: are you on a unix system?
17:21.54mgearyyeah
17:22.13mgearybut it's basically clogging up a bunch of other queries
17:22.16herloI don't actually know whether it's destructive or not, but I would be nervous (as you clearly ar)
17:22.19mgearyso we want to stop it
17:22.28dataw0lfyou can renice it to prioritize it
17:22.30herlodo you have a backup?
17:22.37herlomgeary: what dataw0lf said
17:22.51herlosomething like renice -p 10 <pid>
17:23.01mgearywell, the problem there is that it's using threads, not processes
17:23.08mgearyright? and we don't want to renice mysql overall
17:23.10herlooh, well that's less friendly
17:23.42mgearyit's creating a temp table right now for the conversion, so i'd think it'd be okay
17:23.55mgearybut there is no handy backup of this table
17:23.59mgearyso i'm cautious
17:24.53herlohrm, yeah
17:27.55mgearyjsmith-away: come baaaaack
17:28.09mgearythere's 9M rows in the DB, so it's taking a while on the conversion
17:33.41jsmithmgeary: I'm back...
17:33.50mgearysee my mysql question ^^ ?
17:34.07mgearyyou've got good exp with large mysql databases... no?
17:34.37jsmithmgeary: Uh... well... yuck... If you kill the conversion, you may end up with a multi-hour myisamchk process on your hands
17:34.48mgearywell...
17:34.58mgearythe original table is innodb
17:35.04mgearywe want it in myisam
17:35.05jsmithOh, even worse
17:35.10mgearyheh
17:35.12mgearyalrighty then
17:35.30jsmithI'd say let it run it's course
17:35.48mgearyokay
17:35.54mgearythanks
17:36.40jsmithmgeary: And just for the record, I've long since disavowed any knowledge of MySQL :-)
17:36.49mgearyheheheh
17:36.57mgearyhey, i tried to convince these guys to go postgres
17:37.03mgearyi used you as my justification
17:37.13jsmithThanks :-)
17:37.13mgearybut they dinna want to
17:37.25mgearyremind me of the mysql data center you used to manage
17:37.29jsmithThere are a lot of people that don't wanna listen to me :-)
17:37.45mgearydidn't you used to run a massive mysql system?
17:37.51jsmithmgeary: I was a Network Operations Team manager at Omniture
17:38.04mgearydo they still use mysql?
17:38.06jsmithmgeary: We had over 6000 MySQL installations when I left
17:38.10jsmithmgeary: Oh, I'm sure they do
17:38.20jsmithmgeary: (again, against my better judgment)
17:38.52mgearyheh
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18:24.40SunSparcYARRRR
18:35.08mgearyis there a way to have "find ." not return a "./" before each file it returns?
18:35.28mgearyi want to combine find and xargs and a util, but the util needs the filename to not start with "./"
18:38.14jsmithmgeary: Pipe the result through sed to remove the initial ./?
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18:45.03redroywhoa, can I just say that apple support rocks! <that's all I'm going to say>
18:51.19redroyhe he
19:04.14herlomgeary: use * instead of . :)
19:08.28mgearyherlo: ding ding ding. thank you
19:08.37herlomgeary: np :)
19:09.08jsmithherlo: Or even better \* instead of .
19:09.16herlojsmith: heh
19:09.27herloonly if you wanna find all files :)
19:11.23DexterTheDragon* doesn't respect -maxdepth
19:12.07herlohmm
19:14.23DexterTheDragonactually looks like maxdepth still works, it just slightly changes the meaning :)
19:16.07herloahh, okay...
19:16.12herloI hadn't run into that issue...
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19:21.59DexterTheDragonI just enjoy the maxdepth option alot
19:25.31herloit is useful
19:40.25mgearyhey fungus
19:40.28mgearyquestion for ya
19:42.05funguswhat's up?
19:42.22mgearyso, i have a site that does a url rewrite like this:
19:42.51mgearyRewriteRule ^programname/(.*) $1
19:43.07mgearysuch that mysite.com/programname/ really just serves up the same content as mysite.com/
19:43.16mgearybut we use the programname in the url to apply a skin
19:43.18mgearymake sense?
19:43.48fungusYes, it makes sense, but the rule doesn't
19:43.50mgearysuch that we can say mysite.com/program2name/ serves up the same content/functionality, but we use different css
19:43.53mgearywell, the rule works
19:44.10fungusoh, nevermind, I get it.
19:44.16mgearyso, here's my question
19:44.20fungusYou are using a $_SERVER variable to get the program name
19:44.24mgearyyeah
19:44.25fungusok, shoot
19:44.38mgearyi want to have programname.com serve up the same content as mysite.com/programname/
19:45.01mgearyso, do i set up a new vhost? do i set a serverAlias and change my detection code...
19:45.04mgearysuggestions?
19:45.25mgearyi'm leaning towards just adding a ServerAlias to the main site and sniffing the url
19:45.35fungusserver alias would be fine, but you might need to add a rewritecond to prevent rewriting that programname.com
19:45.41DexterTheDragonset a vhost to server the same folder and have your detection code figure out programname.com also
19:46.18mgearyfungus: but my rewrite only operates on the request path, not on the domain... I don't understand what you're saying
19:46.42mgearyDexterTheDragon: doesn't seem like that wins me anything over just adding a ServerAlias
19:47.09fungusbut you want to skip the rule on your custom domain
19:47.16mgearyah, i see
19:47.22DexterTheDragonyeah can probably do the same with ServerAlias, its just not something I use alot
19:47.33mgearywell, that would be a secondary concern, but point taken
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20:06.33beandoghmm
20:06.38beandogsomething is amiss with my fonts.
20:07.51macnewbold~yow
20:08.11beandogheh
20:09.04DexterTheDragonhttp://bit.ly/TSuKX
20:12.55beandograwr, stupid fonts.
20:12.57beandogoh well
20:13.11beandogI just won't read anything
20:15.14SunSparc~font
20:15.15ibot'fixed' is the one true font!
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21:41.00_polto_hi all
21:42.05mgeary~greet _polto_
21:42.05ibotACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on _polto_
21:43.04_polto_ibot: ?
21:44.17mgeary~welcome _polto_
21:44.18ibot[all in unison] Hi, _polto_!
21:44.44_polto_Heartsbane: I just wanted to tell you that we will not be able to participate with Elphel tomorrow. I am in San Fransisco, Andrey, Olga and kids will also go somewhere...
21:44.53_polto_hi everybody.
21:45.48Heartsbane_polto_: sup
21:46.33Heartsbane_polto_: how long are you in San Fran
21:47.39_polto_leaving on Monday.
21:48.20Heartsbane_polto_: Call for papers goes up next month, I read all the ones on that link you gave me
21:49.05HeartsbaneI will keep you posted
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21:50.29_polto_Heartsbane: remember I told you about the idea of a geek party in the nature.. You told me you can have somebody interested ? We have internet and power generator... : http://community.elphel.com/pictures/ElphelRV/img_1233.jpg
21:51.50Heartsbane_polto_: Oh ya me ... I have to introduce you to Jayce^. we so want to do that!
21:52.12_polto_cool !
21:52.21_polto_let's do it
21:52.34beandogheh
21:52.36beandogjust saw this on FB
21:52.39beandogenjoyed Star Trek, except for the part where the Ewoks defeated the Romulans.
21:53.53SunSparcLOL
21:54.01Lone_Wanderer_polto_: Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose?
21:54.07SunSparcThat would be worth twice the money.
21:54.43HeartsbaneLone_Wanderer: no man, the laptop and nature
21:55.03Lone_WandererDoesn't having a laptop with you defeat the purpose of going camping?
21:55.09Heartsbaneno
21:55.17Heartsbanecause it has a off switch
21:55.25Lone_WandererMine has a "leave it at home" switch ;)
21:55.34HeartsbaneYou poor guy
21:56.08Lone_WandererAn RV?
21:56.14Lone_WandererThat's not even camping.  It's driving into the woods.
21:57.18Lone_WandererIf you can get there in a vehicle, it doesn't count.
21:57.26Lone_WandererThe more walking you have to do, the better.
21:57.44mgeary~give Lone_Wanderer 3 kids
21:57.44ibotACTION gives 3 kids to Lone_Wanderer
21:57.46Lone_WandererUnless the vehicle is a canoe.  That's okay.
21:57.51Lone_WandererKids can walk.
21:57.52mgearyNOW try it, bucky
21:57.58orsonjThat reminds me, I need to download pictures from last weekend and do some pano stitching
21:58.04mgearyyou *think* kids can walk
21:58.11Lone_WandererWhen I was a kid, my siblings and I went to the boundary waters with my dad every summer.
21:58.12mgearybut you're wrong
21:58.22Lone_Wanderer...I walked all over the place when I was a kid.
21:58.37mgeary~false memories Lone_Wanderer
21:58.43Lone_WandererWe have pictures.
21:58.49mgeary~doctored photos Lone_Wanderer
21:58.55Lone_WandererClearly.
21:58.56wpsha ha ha
21:59.34orsonjhttp://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Story?id=99548&page=1
22:00.33Lone_WandererSeriously though, kids can walk long distances no problem.  I know you've wondered how your kids can possibly have so much energy.
22:00.44mgearyno, you're right
22:00.55mgearybut you have no idea how much stuff you need with you when you take kids along
22:01.09mgearyand getting the kids to carry it is.... difficult
22:01.19orsonjtrue
22:01.38Lone_WandererHow much stuff do you need?  How old are the kids in question?
22:01.45mgeary8, 6, 3
22:01.53Lone_WandererSo, presumably no diapers?
22:01.58orsonjwe have one scout who could barely carry a six pack of soda, made everyone else carry all the rest of his stuff
22:02.01Lone_WandererI've never taken kids camping
22:02.05mgearyexactly
22:02.07mgearythat's my point
22:02.18Lone_Wandererso I've never been on the adult end of it
22:02.30Lone_Wandererbut my dad isn't superman or anything, and we did it all the time when I was a kid
22:02.36Lone_Wanderer8 years old + though
22:03.15orsonjThe trick is to not let the mom pack (unless said mom has plenty of real experience carrying a backpack loaded full of stuff)
22:03.30Lone_Wandererorsonj: I don't suppose you can call his parents and say "Until little Bobby can carry his own stuff, he can't come with us any more"?
22:03.40orsonjhe's getting better
22:03.53orsonjbut he really is a small kid also.
22:03.56Lone_WandererAre the other kids encouraging or degrading to him about it?
22:04.03Lone_Wandererahh, so it's not that he's fat and lazy?  (which is what I assumed)
22:04.18orsonjno, he's the shortest guy in the bunch and skinny as a pole
22:04.23Lone_Wandererahh okay
22:04.36orsonja few years ought to fix it
22:04.45Lone_WandererLuckily for him, walking with some stuff on your back is basically what humans are designed for.
22:05.32orsonjI think that was the main problem with the one camp I'm describing. none of his stuff was in a shoulderable bag
22:05.45Lone_WandererYeah, that'll kill you.
22:06.05mgearyLone_Wanderer: how heavy a pack do they make you schlep in boot camp?
22:06.05orsonjwe make sure everyone has regular packs now.
22:06.20Lone_Wanderermgeary: I never went to boot camp, I did Infantry OSUT which was harder.
22:06.39Lone_WandererWell, harder than Army basic, not as hard as Boot Camp (which only the Marines do)
22:06.45mgearyaha
22:06.58Lone_Wandererbut our last ruck march was about 20 miles with a 50 pound pack, iirc
22:07.52mgearythat'd prolly kill me. i've got a 3-y/o who weighs maybe 35 pounds. i can carry him for about 30 minutes and then i'm out
22:08.01Lone_WandererIn your arms or on your back?
22:08.04mgearyarms
22:08.20Lone_WandererYeah, that'll kill you.
22:08.30Lone_WandererI'd rather carry 5 pounds on my back than 1 pound in my arms.
22:08.38mgearyyeah
22:09.09Lone_WandererI had to carry the light machine gun for part of that.
22:09.11Lone_WandererNot fun.
22:10.11Lone_WandererBut the first march was 2 miles with hardly anything.  They work you up to it.
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23:15.52SunSparcHave a great weekend all!!
23:37.42beandoggah
23:37.45beandogjust found a dumb mysql bug.
23:38.27beandoger, maybe not.l
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