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| 15:03.43 | Utah_Dave | ping, fungus |
| 15:05.49 | mgeary | ~yow |
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| 15:20.33 | fungus | pong Utah_Dave |
| 15:21.42 | Utah_Dave | fungus: I want to test using ZFS in our environment here at work. Buying big solaris boxes are not an option for this fiscal year. |
| 15:21.55 | Utah_Dave | Would you recommend trying it out on OpenSolaris? Or on FreeBSd? |
| 15:22.05 | fungus | OpenSolaris probably. |
| 15:22.07 | Utah_Dave | /s/FreeBSd/FreeBSD |
| 15:22.36 | fungus | OpenSolaris has all the of the recent cool features. |
| 15:23.03 | Utah_Dave | Do you have any tips or online resources you think I should look at before getting started? |
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| 15:34.28 | itimber | sup guys |
| 15:35.05 | unum | just read friday's xkcd, I'm still chuckling |
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| 16:39.58 | mindjuju | anybody looking for a contract |
| 16:40.12 | mindjuju | itimber, carmony, macnewbold ^^ |
| 16:40.25 | mindjuju | unum^^ |
| 16:40.25 | macnewbold | what kind of contract? |
| 16:40.46 | itimber | ya, mindjuju.... what kind?!? |
| 16:40.49 | itimber | :) |
| 16:40.51 | mindjuju | uh, i didn't read it very thoroughly, but appears to be some touches on a website |
| 16:40.57 | mindjuju | postgresql |
| 16:40.58 | mindjuju | php |
| 16:41.06 | mindjuju | if you're interested, PM your email addy |
| 16:41.36 | mindjuju | actually, now that I look at this, it might be small bones for macnewbold or mgeary |
| 16:41.40 | mindjuju | but you're welcome to look at it |
| 16:41.41 | itimber | thanks for remembering me in that group |
| 16:41.49 | mgeary | heh |
| 16:41.51 | mindjuju | fo sho |
| 16:42.07 | mgeary | yeah, i'll pass for now, but thanks |
| 16:42.15 | macnewbold | mindjuju: while you're forwarding, go ahead and send me one |
| 16:42.17 | mindjuju | yup |
| 16:42.29 | mindjuju | its mac at macnewbold isn't it? |
| 16:42.31 | mindjuju | .com on that |
| 16:43.27 | mindjuju | k, sent to requesters |
| 16:44.07 | mindjuju | good luck you guys! while i might throw my hat in on this one too, I try to make sure contracts / work get distributed fairly |
| 16:45.10 | jsmith | It's mindjuju... the human load balancer! |
| 16:45.16 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:45.36 | mgeary | does he use round-robin? auto-load-sensing?...? |
| 16:45.48 | mindjuju | auto-load sensing |
| 16:56.59 | utahcon | morning all |
| 16:59.49 | herlo | utahcon: hi, how's things? |
| 17:00.22 | dataw0lf | animal abuse! |
| 17:00.32 | utahcon | yeah we do |
| 17:05.55 | herlo | utahcon: when is good for you? |
| 17:06.07 | utahcon | hmm |
| 17:06.10 | utahcon | great question |
| 17:06.17 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: ping! |
| 17:07.22 | DexterTheDragon | herlo: pong! |
| 17:07.26 | Utah_Dave | man, does anyone else find it annoying that javascript numbers months starting from 0? |
| 17:08.12 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: when is good for you, me and utahcon to get together to hack on some python? |
| 17:08.24 | utahcon | Utah_Dave: very |
| 17:08.39 | Utah_Dave | It's driving me nuts. |
| 17:08.43 | utahcon | I am open all week, except Friday, little sister is graduating. |
| 17:09.19 | Utah_Dave | plus it appears that you have to manually format date strings |
| 17:09.35 | herlo | utahcon: yeah, Fridays are okay, but not great for me |
| 17:09.53 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: utahcon: what about Wednesday night? |
| 17:10.03 | utahcon | Let me double check. |
| 17:10.32 | DexterTheDragon | wed would probably work, I'll have to check |
| 17:10.37 | DexterTheDragon | where would we meet? |
| 17:11.10 | herlo | DexterTheDragon: well, let's see. I know that utahcon lives in SL County, and so do I. My house is available (Murray) and close to traxx if that's tempting |
| 17:11.40 | utahcon | My calendar is open, checking with the so |
| 17:12.19 | tierra | Utah_Dave: numbering months from 0 is pretty common, as is numbering the day of week from 0 |
| 17:12.35 | utahcon | Wednesday is good for me. |
| 17:12.56 | tierra | but maybe that's just because I mostly work in a language with enumerated data types |
| 17:13.10 | Utah_Dave | I know, but the day of the month already has a number accepted by society |
| 17:13.38 | tierra | JS numbers day of the month starting from 0? |
| 17:14.01 | herlo | utahcon: just sent the invite :) |
| 17:14.26 | herlo | Utah_Dave: the number accepted by society for sunday is 0 :) |
| 17:15.34 | Utah_Dave | herlo: I know, but in javascript 2 May 2009 is 1 May 2009 in javascript. It just takes a minute for my brain to adjust |
| 17:15.43 | tierra | day of week and month of year are commonly numbered from 0, not typically day of month though |
| 17:16.04 | Utah_Dave | wait, no I'm wrong |
| 17:16.17 | herlo | Utah_Dave: oh, uh, that's strange if true |
| 17:16.18 | Utah_Dave | It's the Month that starts with 0 |
| 17:16.24 | Utah_Dave | January is 0 |
| 17:16.53 | herlo | so January is 0, that's a bit odd, but not horrible, just -1 every month rather than do the math to figure it out. |
| 17:17.14 | Utah_Dave | yeah |
| 17:17.50 | mindjuju | HOLY CRAP!!! |
| 17:18.11 | mindjuju | that's our brasto! -- http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=6340968 |
| 17:19.48 | herlo | mindjuju: oh, yeah... |
| 17:21.08 | utahcon | wow |
| 17:23.28 | Utah_Dave | yeah. |
| 17:24.00 | Utah_Dave | I saw his wife and a friend at Thanksgiving Point on Friday |
| 17:26.19 | herlo | yeah, I've known about his wife's illness for some time. He's been out of work (mostly) since he was let go from GL |
| 17:26.50 | herlo | mindjuju and I are going to start a collection plate and give the monies to the fund... |
| 17:27.26 | mindjuju | dig deep brothers! |
| 17:27.30 | herlo | :) |
| 17:27.47 | herlo | we'll have a donate button up on utos.org by end of day today |
| 17:57.43 | herlo | so it is up |
| 17:57.47 | herlo | http://blog.utos.org |
| 17:59.20 | mgeary | might want to check your embed W&H |
| 17:59.33 | herlo | mgeary: I removed it |
| 17:59.46 | herlo | it was having major issues before |
| 17:59.47 | mgeary | yeah, and on Safari, it's being cropped |
| 17:59.57 | herlo | mgeary: on FF it was being cropped |
| 18:00.05 | herlo | I think it's chipin's fault |
| 18:00.33 | mgeary | rather than chipin? |
| 18:01.01 | mgeary | cause i'm about to donate, so if you're gonna change it, i'll wait |
| 18:01.13 | herlo | no, you can do that |
| 18:01.22 | herlo | the donate goes to my paypal anyway |
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| 18:02.09 | mgeary | hrm |
| 18:02.19 | mgeary | doesn't update the embed widget... |
| 18:02.42 | herlo | let me try this other widget |
| 18:03.24 | mgeary | ah |
| 18:03.25 | mgeary | there it goes |
| 18:03.46 | herlo | yeah, I'd say :) |
| 18:05.13 | herlo | indeed it's tough, I'm empathetic to the situation. |
| 18:05.32 | herlo | mgeary: blog about it, I'm going to be doing the same on utos.org shortly... |
| 18:05.49 | herlo | oh |
| 18:05.59 | herlo | mgeary: it doesn't show up on my widget :( |
| 18:06.15 | mgeary | weird. it does on mine |
| 18:06.19 | herlo | but I can see it in the my chipins section |
| 18:06.27 | herlo | and I know it's there... |
| 18:06.57 | herlo | utos is going to have to pay all the fees paypal takes. I think that's a good way to give back |
| 18:07.16 | mgeary | what kind of fees do they take? |
| 18:07.36 | herlo | for yours it was $11.90 |
| 18:07.40 | herlo | about 3% |
| 18:07.52 | mgeary | meh |
| 18:08.05 | herlo | yeah, we'll give more too, but we'll pay that as well |
| 18:08.18 | cro | herlo: convert to Amazon FPS and they are paying all transaction fees for the next 3 months or so. :-) |
| 18:10.05 | herlo | cro: FPS? |
| 18:10.13 | cro | Flexible Payments Service |
| 18:10.17 | utahcon | it seems everytime I place my headphones on my ears... someone needs something from me |
| 18:10.22 | cro | I was really just joking |
| 18:10.24 | herlo | ooh, nice |
| 18:10.29 | cro | I like it better than paypal, though, a lit |
| 18:10.31 | cro | a LOT I mean |
| 18:10.47 | herlo | cro: maybe UTOSC will do their transactions that way |
| 18:11.00 | herlo | mgeary: it shows up on my browser too |
| 18:11.03 | cro | well, if you need a primer on it, I can get you started |
| 18:11.39 | herlo | k, kewl |
| 18:12.41 | cro | herlo: http://www.amazonpaymentsblog.com/ |
| 18:15.03 | herlo | cro: nice |
| 18:15.10 | herlo | mindjuju: could you update the topic? |
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| 18:18.26 | *** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> chip in and help out a local member Brasto and his family! more info at http://blog.utos.org/ | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 18:19.02 | mindjuju | hmmm, i should make that sound better |
| 18:19.48 | herlo | mindjuju: check #utos /topic if that helps |
| 18:20.43 | mindjuju | that's awesome, i'm using it. for some reason, my brain's multi-threading isn't threading so well today |
| 18:20.51 | mindjuju | tired and behind and distracted |
| 18:21.06 | *** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Utah Open Source Foundation collects donations for Stout Family on http://utos.org | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 18:21.25 | herlo | mindjuju: :) |
| 18:21.44 | *** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Utah Open Source Foundation collects donations for Stout Family (brasto on this chan) on http://utos.org | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 18:21.55 | mindjuju | k, just added his handle so people will recognize ole brasto |
| 18:23.03 | mgeary | okay folks. I'm at that point: build a blog system, or use WordPress...? I believe the client is going to want custom functionality/integration, so i'm leaning towards "build". Especially because i'd rather not spend the time ramping up on WP plugin coding. What experiences do y'all have? |
| 18:23.12 | mgeary | clearly, herlo opted for WP |
| 18:23.50 | mindjuju | mgeary, i was in that same spot about a year ago |
| 18:24.09 | mindjuju | i opted WP, and it has been a struggle from time to time, especially with the template dev |
| 18:24.19 | mindjuju | BUT Wordpress does have v active community |
| 18:24.24 | mindjuju | and releases patches regularly |
| 18:24.43 | mgeary | which aren't exactly compelling for me... |
| 18:24.46 | mindjuju | i think i would be spending more time doing it by hand than ramping and implementing, all things considered |
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| 18:34.26 | herlo | http://blog.utos.org/2009/05/04/give-stout-family-needs-your-help/ |
| 18:35.48 | josephscott | mgeary: I think for many people the community is a big part of the reason that WordPress gets used. Either way (building your own or learning WP) takes time/energy/etc.. The difference you (or a small in house team) having to do everything versus leveraging the work on an entire community |
| 18:36.15 | mindjuju | yeah, see that's where I see a huge time savings |
| 18:36.24 | josephscott | mgeary: I'd also be happy to spend some time talking about WordPress, answering questions/concerns with you/co-workers/etc. |
| 18:36.34 | mindjuju | now, if they want some thing, they know where to get plugins, I just give it the once over, and install |
| 18:36.49 | macnewbold | plus a lot of resources, in the form of plugins etc. that other people built and maintain, that often do what you need |
| 18:37.08 | mindjuju | SEO this, google analytics that it flies by quick and the person gets the functionality they want |
| 18:37.51 | mgeary | what's the recommended approach to having non-WP pages side-by-side on a WP blog? If we needed a series of pages that had completely custom functionality, and didn't really relate directly to the blog? |
| 18:40.53 | josephscott | WP has built in support for "static" pages |
| 18:41.01 | mgeary | but they wouldn't be static |
| 18:41.08 | josephscott | hence the quotes :-) |
| 18:41.11 | mgeary | ah |
| 18:41.35 | josephscott | they are basically non-blog pages, called Pages (yeah, original name) |
| 18:41.49 | mgeary | how are they addressed? |
| 18:41.50 | mgeary | in the url |
| 18:42.10 | josephscott | you can customize the slug to anything you want |
| 18:42.16 | mgeary | ah |
| 18:42.16 | josephscott | it's very flexible |
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| 18:42.44 | josephscott | just like posts the slug can be edited at any time |
| 18:55.11 | mindjuju | no matter what side of the political spectrum you're on, this is funny - http://www.theonion.com/content/news/nation_ready_to_be_lied_to_about?utm_source=a-section |
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| 19:04.42 | beandog | "For the first time in my life I know who the secretary of the treasury is," Harrington continued. "And I don't like it." |
| 19:04.47 | beandog | amen |
| 19:08.30 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 19:27.32 | herlo | mindjuju: that's funny |
| 19:35.14 | utahcon | what the hell |
| 19:35.19 | utahcon | --enable-rewrite |
| 19:35.23 | utahcon | make |
| 19:35.25 | utahcon | make install |
| 19:35.28 | utahcon | restart apache... |
| 19:35.33 | utahcon | no mod_rewrite |
| 19:44.10 | utahcon | stupid thing just started working |
| 19:44.57 | thebigdog | haha |
| 19:47.37 | mgeary | hey, anyone here know someone who can script/program AutoCAD? |
| 20:00.29 | thebigdog | like what do you need done with autocad? |
| 20:00.53 | mgeary | need to batch process a few thousand files |
| 20:01.28 | mgeary | turn on/off some layers, set to a common scale, export. etc |
| 20:04.23 | mgeary | mindjuju, josephscott: how much time do you think it'd take to set up a semi-custom WP install, including , given high tech-savvy, but little WP experience? |
| 20:05.20 | josephscott | obviously this depends on more details, but in general I think you'll find that design issues will be more work than pumping the content into WP |
| 20:05.43 | mgeary | that "including" above should have read, "including a custom interface" |
| 20:06.09 | mgeary | so, given HTML+CSS, how big a deal is the integration/conversion into WP? |
| 20:07.39 | josephscott | taking a design and turning into a theme isn't too bad. Getting familiar with WP theme functions takes some getting used to (doesn't everything?), but once you have an idea of how they work and where to find more info it's fairly straightforward |
| 20:08.26 | thebigdog | mgeary, what are you guys using autocad for? |
| 20:08.28 | utahcon | If you need a good book on wrapping your head around the WP Theming... I might suggest Rockable Press' "How to be a Rockstar WordPress Designer" |
| 20:08.39 | utahcon | I just finished reading it... writing a review now... |
| 20:08.41 | utahcon | It is good. |
| 20:09.02 | josephscott | utahcon: I haven't read that one, be sure to send the review link my way when it's up |
| 20:09.13 | herlo | utahcon: you are a good man, writing a review on a book can suck |
| 20:09.24 | utahcon | josephscott: willl do |
| 20:09.35 | utahcon | herlo: Someone has to absorb all this knowledge |
| 20:10.01 | carmony | how was everyones weekend? |
| 20:11.01 | herlo | utahcon: yeah, luckily, it's not me :) |
| 20:11.10 | herlo | utahcon: however, I am fighting with a WP Theme today |
| 20:11.36 | utahcon | This book was good enough to inspire me to leave the carrington-blog theme. |
| 20:11.59 | utahcon | Just started working on the new theme today though... so don't go running looking for something yet |
| 20:13.41 | herlo | utahcon: heh |
| 20:19.59 | itimber | anyone have a 1U server they want to sell? |
| 20:21.58 | PoeticIntensity | quick Linux question.... |
| 20:22.06 | itimber | :) |
| 20:22.12 | PoeticIntensity | I need to "zip" a file using the same format windows uses.... |
| 20:22.17 | PoeticIntensity | can tar do that? |
| 20:22.44 | PoeticIntensity | nevermind... |
| 20:22.46 | PoeticIntensity | I'm an idiot. |
| 20:22.53 | PoeticIntensity | just searched for the "zip" package... |
| 20:22.55 | PoeticIntensity | came right up... |
| 20:23.16 | PoeticIntensity | oh, and welcome back to yourself, dataw0lf |
| 20:23.19 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 20:24.18 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 20:24.20 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 20:24.43 | mgeary | thebigdog: we're not. Hence my search for someone who does |
| 20:26.31 | PoeticIntensity | oh, and for those who care, I quit my job today. :) |
| 20:26.38 | PoeticIntensity | found another PHP gig. |
| 20:26.43 | mgeary | ~congratulate PoeticIntensity |
| 20:26.44 | ibot | ACTION congratulates PoeticIntensity on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 20:26.48 | thebigdog | congratz PoeticIntensity |
| 20:26.52 | PoeticIntensity | thanks guys. |
| 20:26.54 | thebigdog | where you at know PoeticIntensity ? |
| 20:27.01 | PoeticIntensity | Nature's Way (or what is left of it) |
| 20:27.14 | mgeary | waitaminute |
| 20:27.18 | PoeticIntensity | long story short, NW is merging with another company... |
| 20:27.25 | PoeticIntensity | the other company is 100% MS shop. |
| 20:27.37 | PoeticIntensity | so... I found another jorb. |
| 20:27.42 | itimber | congrats PoeticIntensity |
| 20:28.06 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: i think what thebigdog was saying is where you *going* to? |
| 20:28.17 | PoeticIntensity | ah... hehe. |
| 20:28.21 | itimber | ~salute PoeticIntensity for staying Open Source |
| 20:28.22 | ibot | ACTION shows PoeticIntensity for staying Open Source how to count in binary on his fingers... then stops conspiciously on the number 4 |
| 20:28.24 | PoeticIntensity | it's a small company in AF. |
| 20:28.35 | itimber | oops |
| 20:28.38 | itimber | :) |
| 20:28.51 | thebigdog | no name PoeticIntensity ? |
| 20:29.15 | PoeticIntensity | I'll give more details when I actually get there. :) |
| 20:29.45 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:29.49 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 20:29.50 | thebigdog | its all hush now |
| 20:29.58 | PoeticIntensity | pretty much that way... Just for a few more days. |
| 20:30.22 | PoeticIntensity | I sure did raise a bit of ruckus this morning when I announced my departure... |
| 20:30.53 | itimber | how did you do it? |
| 20:31.00 | itimber | announce your departure, that is |
| 20:31.03 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... |
| 20:31.10 | PoeticIntensity | actually... it was two days ago, Saturday. |
| 20:31.43 | PoeticIntensity | my (new) boss was flying out here yesterday, and I've known I was gonna quit for about a month... |
| 20:32.13 | PoeticIntensity | so..... Out of respect for him, I called him Saturday and told him.... |
| 20:32.24 | PoeticIntensity | that pretty much screwed his weekend up, I'm sure... |
| 20:32.33 | PoeticIntensity | having to talk to the uppity-ups about what to do about his flight and what-not... |
| 20:32.52 | PoeticIntensity | so... I get in early this morning, and my old boss comes running in, making sure I'm not an idiot, and that I have another job lined up... |
| 20:33.10 | PoeticIntensity | Then, they don't know whether or not to give me the ax immediately, or to allow me time to document, answer questions, etc.... |
| 20:33.23 | PoeticIntensity | because I'm the only one in the whole two companies who knows anything about LAPP stacks... |
| 20:33.57 | PoeticIntensity | My new boss now is emailing me every hour about the documentation - probably scared I'm gonna run off without writing anything down... |
| 20:34.10 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... |
| 20:34.28 | PoeticIntensity | probably not as good as the new X-Men movie, but hey... it is what it is... |
| 20:35.07 | PoeticIntensity | Ya know... In that same vein, it's kind of interesting the subtle differences between a MS shop and a OSS shop... |
| 20:35.19 | macnewbold | hehe "interesting" is one word for it... |
| 20:35.51 | PoeticIntensity | Seems that the "open"-ness of OSS permeates the demeanor of the employees using it. |
| 20:36.00 | PoeticIntensity | same goes for MS... |
| 20:36.25 | PoeticIntensity | I know there are loads of exceptions, but... I found it very interesting - working with a .NET crew this past month. |
| 20:36.47 | PoeticIntensity | not bad guys - just a very different way of going about doing things. |
| 20:37.02 | PoeticIntensity | I've gotta blog about that. |
| 20:42.05 | macnewbold | ouch |
| 20:42.08 | macnewbold | documentation sucks |
| 20:44.43 | PoeticIntensity | yes, my friend, it certainly does. |
| 20:46.03 | tierra | psh, I love writing documentation... my favorite part of the job! |
| 20:46.17 | PoeticIntensity | ~lart tierra |
| 20:46.17 | ibot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps tierra |
| 20:46.21 | PoeticIntensity | yyyyeah! |
| 20:46.30 | dataw0lf | PoeticIntensity: I think a lot of that is that .NET guys always have the same toolchain |
| 20:46.46 | dataw0lf | while OSS users build their toolchains, often dozens of times. |
| 20:47.09 | dataw0lf | I think having to build a toolchain like that often enough helps you understand development better |
| 20:48.07 | PoeticIntensity | I'm gonna risk looking like an idiot and ask what the heck a toolchain is... LIke. toolchain being the tools used for the job? Like Visual Studio? |
| 20:48.39 | dataw0lf | yup, essentially. |
| 20:48.48 | PoeticIntensity | ah. |
| 20:48.55 | PoeticIntensity | yup... |
| 21:04.00 | PoeticIntensity | I was amazed to find the amount of money spent on visual studio... actually, flabberghasted would be more appropriate. |
| 21:04.25 | mindjuju | yeah, team visual studio VERY expensive |
| 21:04.32 | mindjuju | and comes with different roles for everybody |
| 21:04.35 | PoeticIntensity | I couldn't believe it... |
| 21:04.40 | PoeticIntensity | yup |
| 21:44.35 | mindjuju | firefox batte royale -- http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/mozilla-ponders-policy-change-after-firefox-extension-battle.ars |
| 21:46.18 | dataw0lf | maybe they should spend more time fixing their aggressive caching issues. |
| 21:47.35 | dataw0lf | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/103361212/original |
| 22:19.32 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: New fairly-basic blog-type site. RoR or Django? Or something else? |
| 22:20.41 | tierra | no, use CF |
| 22:21.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I have little but contempt for CF. |
| 22:21.12 | DexterTheDragon | COBOL! |
| 22:21.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Though I do find it kind of amusing that I'm making a site for a CrossFit gym. (CF) |
| 22:21.46 | tierra | heh |
| 22:30.31 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: Django, for sure. |
| 22:30.38 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 22:30.52 | dataw0lf | you can just use my blog codebase |
| 22:31.11 | dataw0lf | pretty specific but it covers tags and the like |
| 22:31.21 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, we don't really need tags |
| 22:31.24 | dataw0lf | although I need to rewrite my tag cloud algorithm. |
| 22:31.25 | Lone_Wanderer | it's just a daily workout |
| 22:31.40 | dataw0lf | ahhh. yea, Django. |
| 22:31.53 | Lone_Wanderer | but I want to have things like keeping track of people's last scores |
| 22:32.10 | dataw0lf | I'd use South with it too just to have schema migration plan ready, since you'll probably rue not having one down the line. |
| 22:32.11 | Lone_Wanderer | and then reposting them next time we do the same one |
| 22:32.26 | Lone_Wanderer | what's South? |
| 22:32.35 | dataw0lf | http://south.aeracode.org/ |
| 22:33.35 | Lone_Wanderer | For migrating? What would I migrate to? |
| 22:33.47 | dataw0lf | schema migration |
| 22:33.51 | mgeary | i use django-evolution |
| 22:34.05 | dataw0lf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schema_evolution |
| 22:34.17 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, so if I want to... right |
| 22:35.03 | dataw0lf | mgeary: I thought django-evolution was effectively dead. |
| 22:35.07 | dataw0lf | I'm a big fan of South. |
| 22:35.19 | mgeary | i chatted with the developer a few days ago |
| 22:35.31 | mgeary | while he didn't say it was dead, he did say that he hadn't looked at it in quite some time |
| 22:35.32 | dataw0lf | active development and good RoR sexy migrations-esque approach |
| 22:36.00 | dataw0lf | mgeary: ah. |
| 22:36.13 | mgeary | i was giving him some grief about some apparently known issues |
| 22:36.19 | mgeary | i'll check out South |
| 22:38.32 | Lone_Wanderer | I love those things. |
| 22:38.59 | dataw0lf | yea, Blood spec and I'm killing elites 5 levels higher than me no sweat. |
| 22:39.02 | Lone_Wanderer | I made one with my female friend |
| 22:39.17 | Lone_Wanderer | we were hanging out in the DK base and she said "Let's go slaughter the innocent" |
| 22:39.34 | Lone_Wanderer | That was when I knew it was love <3 |
| 22:39.40 | herlo | mindjuju: ping - re http://2009.utosc.com |
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| 22:40.03 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: what realm do you play on? |
| 22:40.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Deathwing |
| 22:40.13 | dataw0lf | durn |
| 22:40.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Do you play the Honorable Horde or a scum-sucking dog which eats its own vomit? |
| 22:41.08 | dataw0lf | Alliance, punk |
| 22:41.13 | fungus | vomit eater. |
| 22:41.28 | dataw0lf | I routinely camp your allies in Stranglethorn Vale |
| 22:41.37 | Lone_Wanderer | It's okay, so do I. |
| 22:41.53 | dataw0lf | DEATHGRIP + PS + IT + HS + HS + HS |
| 22:41.55 | dataw0lf | <death> |
| 22:41.58 | dataw0lf | KEK |
| 22:42.10 | Lone_Wanderer | I haven't actually played in a long time. |
| 22:42.57 | dataw0lf | fungus: what realm do you play on? |
| 22:43.03 | fungus | Windrunner |
| 22:43.04 | Lone_Wanderer | I've thought about making a new toon |
| 22:43.14 | Lone_Wanderer | but only if I had RL friends I could play with |
| 22:43.21 | fungus | My DK is all about Unholy |
| 22:43.40 | dataw0lf | I like Blood for levelling and Unholy for PvP |
| 22:43.54 | Lone_Wanderer | unholy is the one where you get a pet zombie and come back after you die, right? |
| 22:43.59 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 22:44.06 | fungus | pre 3.1 yeah, |
| 22:44.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah I don't like pvping against them. |
| 22:44.12 | Lone_Wanderer | They changed it? |
| 22:44.22 | fungus | yeah, 3.1 no more coming back after death |
| 22:44.30 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, good. that was the worst part |
| 22:45.08 | fungus | I don't do pvp, spend most of my time raiding |
| 22:45.21 | dataw0lf | raiding--, pvp++ |
| 22:45.42 | Lone_Wanderer | I dunno why, but killing people is just so much fun. |
| 22:45.50 | dataw0lf | my not even 60 level rogue has so many pvp achievements |
| 22:46.11 | fungus | my 80 dk only has 4 honor kills |
| 22:46.41 | fungus | hehe, 3 are from the same player, trying to escape from IF. <wicked grin> |
| 22:46.44 | dataw0lf | haha, my 57 level rogue has over 5000 |
| 22:47.05 | Lone_Wanderer | But I don't have the resources to do it right. |
| 22:47.10 | fungus | Rogues are painful to level |
| 22:47.17 | dataw0lf | psh, no they're not |
| 22:47.30 | dataw0lf | combat spec til 40 then assassination spec after |
| 22:47.52 | Lone_Wanderer | You can kill things SO fast. |
| 22:48.05 | dataw0lf | yea, I just one shot any quest mobs |
| 22:48.19 | fungus | So can my twin Mages |
| 22:48.28 | Lone_Wanderer | twin mages? dual boxing? |
| 22:48.34 | fungus | oh yeah. |
| 22:48.37 | Lone_Wanderer | nice |
| 22:48.46 | Lone_Wanderer | If I had two comps I might try it. |
| 22:48.59 | dataw0lf | if I was willing to buy another account, I'd do it. |
| 22:49.00 | fungus | you don't *need* two comps. I just use one. |
| 22:49.11 | Lone_Wanderer | No, trust me. I need two. |
| 22:49.15 | fungus | hehe |
| 22:49.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Or one that can run two accounts. |
| 22:49.30 | fungus | I jumped on the refer-a-friend and got triple experience for 3 months |
| 22:50.26 | dataw0lf | once I get my DK to 80 I'll probably max my rogue too |
| 22:50.57 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't have any 80s |
| 22:51.04 | Lone_Wanderer | I was grinding my hunter, but it turned into a grind |
| 22:51.28 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't enjoy the new content as much for some reason. |
| 22:51.47 | dataw0lf | I can't stand grinding or levelling, but I need to get my DK in an arena team stat. |
| 22:54.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh snap! General Whoever just told this guy that he has to stay on Earth and die. |
| 22:55.06 | Lone_Wanderer | (on SG-1) |
| 22:55.48 | dataw0lf | isn't that the basic premise of every SG-1 episode. |
| 22:56.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Hmm. In different forms, yes. |
| 22:58.18 | herlo | mindjuju: cancel ping |
| 22:58.19 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 23:02.47 | fungus | heh, TTL expired. |
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| 23:15.46 | mindjuju | sorry herlo, i'm back at my desk |
| 23:15.48 | mindjuju | you still around? |
| 23:16.21 | itimber | I'm out.... later ya'll |
| 23:16.26 | mindjuju | cya |
| 23:17.42 | herlo | mindjuju: it's all good |
| 23:17.59 | herlo | mindjuju: http://2009.utosc.com/ |
| 23:18.04 | herlo | looking good now... |
| 23:19.37 | herlo | mindjuju: I would like to put a nice footer on the bottom somewhere. What would you think would be the best approach for that? |
| 23:20.05 | mindjuju | <div class="footer">footer text info</div> |
| 23:20.11 | mindjuju | with some footer info in the CSS |
| 23:20.14 | herlo | hahah |
| 23:20.17 | herlo | I know how to do that |
| 23:20.22 | herlo | that's not what I asked... |
| 23:20.39 | herlo | currently, we have variable length sections for left, right and center. |
| 23:20.46 | mindjuju | right |
| 23:21.11 | herlo | I'm trying to figure out the best way to make it look good and put something at the bottom |
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| 23:21.21 | herlo | maybe it's just white text on the background that's there? |
| 23:21.30 | mindjuju | ah |
| 23:21.32 | herlo | and is it as wide as the center section only? |
| 23:22.02 | mindjuju | i'd prolly go simiarly colored box with a complementary color border |
| 23:22.06 | mindjuju | like a 2px border |
| 23:22.13 | mindjuju | that way you're not fighting the background |
| 23:22.42 | mindjuju | footer text is typically small and a soft color font, so with that background, it'd be easily lost otherwise |
| 23:22.45 | herlo | k, centered? or wide as everything else? |
| 23:23.05 | mindjuju | well, for that page, it'd have to be same width and centered |
| 23:23.32 | mindjuju | with of the content is 800px i think maybe it was 1000 |
| 23:23.33 | herlo | my fear is that if we put a bunch of logos on the right that could scroll down quite a bit |
| 23:23.38 | mindjuju | but on screens like mine at 1600x1200, it'd look off if not centered |
| 23:23.48 | mindjuju | yes, that's true |
| 23:23.57 | mindjuju | but where would you put the footer if not at the foot? |
| 23:24.09 | herlo | I'm not saying we shouldn't |
| 23:24.38 | herlo | I'm asking if it should be at the foot of the center section, or if there could possibly be a big gap between the center section and the footer at the bottom o fthe page |
| 23:25.14 | herlo | let me demonstrate I guess |
| 23:25.18 | mindjuju | k |
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| 23:28.14 | herlo | heh, actually, I'm struggling getting it in the right place, gah! |
| 23:29.23 | herlo | getting now :-P |
| 23:33.02 | herlo | mindjuju: like that? |
| 23:42.47 | beandog | hmm |
| 23:42.50 | beandog | brasto, how was the festival? |
| 23:43.22 | herlo | beandog: hey |
| 23:43.28 | beandog | herlo, lo |
| 23:43.47 | brasto | beandog: you mean the school festival in Provo? |
| 23:43.54 | beandog | brasto, shakespeare |
| 23:44.07 | brasto | oh, we haven't been there for a few years. |
| 23:44.15 | beandog | oh |
| 23:44.16 | beandog | n/m then |
| 23:44.26 | brasto | that's one error in the KSL add |
| 23:44.41 | herlo | brasto: oh, so they thought you went there, but you didn't? |
| 23:44.49 | brasto | when he said all the places we've been to, he as right, but he made it sound like they were all recent |
| 23:44.51 | beandog | oh, good. I thought I was having another case of the shrooms. |
| 23:44.58 | brasto | they were over the past few years. |
| 23:45.07 | herlo | haha, that's reporters for you |
| 23:45.15 | brasto | we try to do new things each year |
| 23:45.28 | herlo | brasto: did you see, we're nearly 50% of our goal already :) |
| 23:45.31 | brasto | yea, and trying to squeeze a lot of info into a few lines |
| 23:46.07 | beandog | yah, the internet is cramped. |
| 23:46.14 | herlo | orly? |
| 23:46.14 | beandog | make room for myspace! |
| 23:46.23 | beandog | we need more emo poetry |
| 23:46.32 | beandog | :) |
| 23:46.33 | herlo | heh, myspace is so 2008 |
| 23:46.40 | beandog | brasto, gotta go to disney world, man |
| 23:46.42 | beandog | its so worth it. |
| 23:46.57 | beandog | herlo, srsly. |
| 23:47.09 | brasto | i'd love disney world |
| 23:47.12 | herlo | beandog: ucrzy |
| 23:47.15 | brasto | that's a lifelong dream for me |
| 23:47.20 | beandog | man |
| 23:47.23 | beandog | so much better than disney world |
| 23:47.28 | herlo | beandog: nobodylksmyspce |
| 23:47.29 | beandog | 4x bigger, too :) |
| 23:47.37 | brasto | beandog, shakespearian festival is one of our family favorites, and I really want to go this year. |
| 23:47.41 | beandog | herlo, you know the honeymoon is over when your mom gets on the same service |
| 23:47.52 | herlo | beandog: disney world is so much better than disney world? |
| 23:47.59 | beandog | er |
| 23:48.00 | beandog | yes. |
| 23:48.07 | beandog | disney world > disneyland |
| 23:48.15 | herlo | fer sher |
| 23:48.28 | beandog | six flags is fun, too |
| 23:48.37 | brasto | herlo, you could send that email to plug and sllug since I do stuff on there, too, maybe |
| 23:49.35 | herlo | brasto: ya, probably will tomorrow, wanted to see how many people would respond today |
| 23:49.40 | herlo | pretty good if you ask me |
| 23:49.48 | herlo | I have a few more tricks up my sleeve too |
| 23:51.14 | beandog | herlo's sleeves of doom |
| 23:53.09 | herlo | beandog: haha |
| 23:53.47 | beandog | ooh |
| 23:53.50 | beandog | I like the design. |
| 23:53.53 | beandog | except for vlink |
| 23:54.00 | herlo | vlink? |
| 23:54.04 | herlo | oh |
| 23:54.05 | herlo | right |
| 23:54.10 | herlo | well, I've not formatted that yet actually |
| 23:54.35 | herlo | beandog: it's going to be the new design for all of UTOS' sites |
| 23:54.52 | beandog | its a little hard reading that light blue on the gray, tho |
| 23:54.56 | herlo | the conference makes it necessary, then we can use it for others... |
| 23:55.07 | herlo | beandog: yeah, i thought so too, but I didn't pick the color :( |
| 23:55.15 | herlo | beandog: what color should we go with? |
| 23:55.22 | beandog | and the xmission logo needs to be blinking |
| 23:55.27 | beandog | and have flames coming out the side |
| 23:55.28 | herlo | lol |
| 23:55.34 | herlo | sure, I'll do that tomorrow |
| 23:55.43 | beandog | herlo, dunno, Im not that great with color design either. I just rip off other sites ideas :) |
| 23:55.59 | beandog | http://xubuntu.org/ |
| 23:56.03 | beandog | I like thta color scheme tho |
| 23:56.07 | beandog | (for blues) |
| 23:56.52 | herlo | yeah, that's nice |
| 23:58.28 | brasto | thank you guys, I'm taking Julie to see old high school friends of hers tonight for the first time in 18 years. I think it will brighten her low spirits. |
| 23:59.19 | beandog | friends at Disney World!?! |
| 23:59.21 | beandog | :) |
| 23:59.24 | beandog | right on, brasto |